If C.C. Sabathia get to 3000K, is he a HOFer?

[hazenuts]

only Clemens and Schilling who has at least 3000K and not in HOF. If CC racked up his 3000K in the next year or two (current at 2726). Is his resume enough to get inducted to HOF?

Win–loss record 223–141
Earned run average 3.70
Strikeouts 2,726
WHIP 1.25

World Series champion (2009)
6× All-Star (2003, 2004, 2007, 2010–2012)
ALCS MVP (2009)
AL Cy Young Award (2007)
2× MLB wins leader (2009, 2010)

[Nyfancam01]

Yes.

What he did in 2009 will always be remembered

WORLD SERIES CHAMPION! What a fun, magical season that was!

GO YANKEES

[Ferg1945]

Have you seen what he has done the last 4 seasons?

[Soxrule111]

No, but 300 Wins, Yes.

[st0lenbase]

To me he's just a compiler--16 years and limited his injuries. He was really good for a 5 year stretch or so, but he's had way too many mediocre years to be HOF worthy IMO.

[Hollywood42]

Nah. He had a few good years, but not a HOFer

[Peties Army]

Originally Posted by st0lenbase

To me he's just a compiler--16 years and limited his injuries. He was really good for a 5 year stretch or so, but he's had way too many mediocre years to be HOF worthy IMO.

I agree with this.

If you want in with a career like his you have to have one or two big stats, so 300 wins for him would do it, but I doubt that is happening

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by st0lenbase

To me he's just a compiler--16 years and limited his injuries. He was really good for a 5 year stretch or so, but he's had way too many mediocre years to be HOF worthy IMO.

Compilers can get into the HOF...

[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Have you seen what he has done the last 4 seasons?

Did you see what he did last year?

Finished with a lower ERA than David Price.

[jstasyk1121]

his first 12 seasons he was 191-102 with a 3.50era...and over 2500inn by that point...so yea his last 4 have been not good...but overall he is sitting at 3.70 which is a bit high but he also in theory would have 3,000k with 1CYA and a total of 5-top five CYA finishes in his career which is pretty damn good...Schilling(who i think has a far better case and should already be in...but he never won a CYA and had 4 top 5 finishes...just to compare CC in that aspect)

i think he would get in....

3,000k
1CYA
4 other top 5 finishes
1 WS ring
1 ALCS MVP
prob about 240 wins with a pretty solid win%

best stretch was 7yrs...from 06-12...he was: 122-57 with 3.14era....5 top 5 CYA finishes in a 7yr stretch...avg 227inn per...4x won 19+ in that span as well...


im not a Sabathia/Yanks fan either...but i think he would get in eventually if he got to 3,000 k's as long as his ERA didnt go way up to like 3.95+...which i dont think it would move that much this late into his career...

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by Peties Army

I agree with this.

If you want in with a career like his you have to have one or two big stats, so 300 wins for him would do it, but I doubt that is happening

well wouldnt the 3,000 k's be one of those big stats?? 300 wins is a massive longshot for ANY current SP...no matter who you name...they prob are not getting to 300 ever again...3,000k and a CYA with a WS ring is a nice combo package i think to highlight a resume...


*for reference...Kershaw is at 126wins...28yrs old...if he pitches 10 more years...he needs to avg 18W/yr....oh and in his amazing career he has had 18+ wins in a season only 2 times

[Ottomatic]

I think one more season like last and he SHOULD be in. Not saying I think he will be voted for, but I do think one more good season and he is a HOFer in my eyes.

[tchronis24]

3k strikeouts, 240ish wins and a war above 60 along with his award and honors (cy young, all star games, World Series ring, etc.) and I think he has a shot. im not sure why there are so many no's as opposed to a large amount of those being at least maybes.

[Scoat]

If C.C. reaches 3,000 K's his chances go way up. If Roy Halladay can make it in 2019 with 2 Cy Youngs, 2,117 K's and 203 Wins I would think CC is right up there in the same type of discussion.

[Skipscards]

There really is no precedence for keeping out a 3,000 strikeout pitcher (Clemens and Schilling are still on the ballot), so yeah I think it strengthens his case tremendously. As of right now he is a borderline HOFer so it likely would put him over the top. I'm not a fan but that's not a requirement for induction unfortunately. So far, his career at the same point looks a lot like Tom Glavine's. If he somehow were to pitch as long as Glavine then yeah, slam dunk. But it also looks a little bit like Dwight Gooden's too, so there's that.

He rates at a 97% chance of getting there.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

There really is no precedence for keeping out a 3,000 strikeout pitcher (Clemens and Schilling are still on the ballot), so yeah I think it strengthens his case tremendously. As of right now he is a borderline HOFer so it likely would put him over the top. I'm not a fan but that's not a requirement for induction unfortunately. So far, his career at the same point looks a lot like Tom Glavine's. If he somehow were to pitch as long as Glavine then yeah, slam dunk. But it also looks a little bit like Dwight Gooden's too, so there's that.

He rates at a 97% chance of getting there.

His numbers are really close to Mike Mussina's at this point. But he's said he wants to keep pitching. So likely he'll continue to dip.

I know it's not really the argument, but CC was a lot better than Glavine IMO considering leagues

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by st0lenbase

To me he's just a compiler--16 years and limited his injuries. He was really good for a 5 year stretch or so, but he's had way too many mediocre years to be HOF worthy IMO.

Agreed. If he hits the strikeouts and/or wins milestones he'll be in but I wouldn't vote for him.

[no10pin]

I wouldn't vote for him unless he has some sort of resurgence over the next few years. He needs Bartolo Colon to give him his copy of 'How to be fat and still pitch well into your 40s'.

I get that the 3000 K thing is almost automatic, but I just have a hard time caring when he never led the league in Ks.

[rttrffg2012]

Originally Posted by Soxrule111

No, but 300 Wins, Yes.

There are no more 300 game winners.

He was dominant for YEARS!!!
I think Sabathia is in...if he isn't then who is?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by rman112

His numbers are really close to Mike Mussina's at this point. But he's said he wants to keep pitching. So likely he'll continue to dip.

I know it's not really the argument, but CC was a lot better than Glavine IMO considering leagues

CC was a lot better than Glavine? At the same age they are equivalent only Glavine still had plenty left in the tank. CC looks like he is barely hanging on the last couple of years. At the same age, Glavine still had over 200 starts left in his arm. Do you really think CC will start 200+ more games?

Glavine had 2 Cy Youngs and 6 top 5 finishes. CC has 1 Cy and 5 top 5 finishes.

Originally Posted by rttrffg2012

There are no more 300 game winners.

He was dominant for YEARS!!!
I think Sabathia is in...if he isn't then who is?

We've been hearing this for years. I predict Kershaw will get to 300.

[Big35Hurt]

No way...clearly he is on roids.

[TheHeel]

Yes.........

[jmscoggin]

Quite honestly, I'd vote for Johan before I'd vote for Sabathia.

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

CC was a lot better than Glavine? At the same age they are equivalent only Glavine still had plenty left in the tank. CC looks like he is barely hanging on the last couple of years. At the same age, Glavine still had over 200 starts left in his arm. Do you really think CC will start 200+ more games?

Glavine had 2 Cy Youngs and 6 top 5 finishes. CC has 1 Cy and 5 top 5 finishes.




We've been hearing this for years. I predict Kershaw will get to 300.

Really?? He needs 176 more wins...if he pitches til 38 he needs to average 18/yr to get there...if he pitches til 40 he needs about 15/yr to get there...I think he has NO SHOT...would have to stay fully healthy for next 5 and average like 18-20 to get up to about 210-225 by age 33 to even have a shot...he has only had over 18 wins 2x in his career to this point...

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

Really?? He needs 176 more wins...if he pitches til 38 he needs to average 18/yr to get there...if he pitches til 40 he needs about 15/yr to get there...I think he has NO SHOT...would have to stay fully healthy for next 5 and average like 18-20 to get up to about 210-225 by age 33 to even have a shot...he has only had over 18 wins 2x in his career to this point...

Yep. He has a 10% chance and I'm buying.