Need help with value on Dante Bichette Jr. Purple Refractor Auto

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 12:09 PM

Just pulled a Bichette Jr. Purple refractor auto /10 last night. Having a hard time determining value for this, as there just isn't a ton of past sales of purple refractor autos. Had an offer for $350 right after I listed it, but I'm not letting it go for that low. Any ideas?

Prospect Rush · 05-10-2012, 12:13 PM

Put $999 obo

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Major_League

Put $999 obo

Listed it $1,299 obo. I know that's a little high, but someone had a Josh Bell purple list $1500, so I figured why not? Not sure what my minimum number is for what I'll accept though.

tonedef2oo8 · 05-10-2012, 12:18 PM

So you dont know what its worth so you listed it and turned down an offer...

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

So you dont know what its worth so you listed it and turned down an offer...

Yeah, what's your point? I put a high bin/bo on it. Just wanted to get it listed. Any for the record, I didn't turn down the offer, he retracted before I had a chance to counter. But no, I don't know what it's worth.

danimal875 · 05-10-2012, 12:24 PM

If you can get $600 take the $$$$$

Ajax1723 · 05-10-2012, 12:28 PM

I'd say in the neighborhood of 500 or so, a Hultzen purple went for somewhere between 450 and 500, and I'd say that might be the closest comparable you could get, as their base autos go for around the same.

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajax1723

I'd say in the neighborhood of 500 or so, a Hultzen purple went for somewhere between 450 and 500, and I'd say that might be the closest comparable you could get, as their base autos go for around the same.

Thanks. IMO high-end Bichette should command a little more than Hultzen, as a hot Yankee's prospect and non-pitcher. Maybe not, though. Plus, that's an auction, and I don't fully trust auction prices as a base line.

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Originally Posted by danimal875

If you can get $600 take the $$$$$

Hoping for a little more. If that's the best I can get, I might take it, or I might hold off and grade at that price.

WCTYSON · 05-10-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by johnorpheus

Thanks. IMO high-end Bichette should command a little more than Hultzen, as a hot Yankee's prospect and non-pitcher. Maybe not, though. Plus, that's an auction, and I don't fully trust auction prices as a base line.

No way Bichette commands more than Hultzen. He might be in the Yankees' fan system but he is not in their plans for the future and Hultzen is a high rank prospect in all of MiLB.

Doublexthebeast · 05-10-2012, 01:14 PM

I had originally thought he would push $750 but with no basis for comparison its tough to say. Put it at auction and let it ride, thats the only true way of determining value.

Ajax1723 · 05-10-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by johnorpheus

Thanks. IMO high-end Bichette should command a little more than Hultzen, as a hot Yankee's prospect and non-pitcher. Maybe not, though. Plus, that's an auction, and I don't fully trust auction prices as a base line.

Hoping for a little more. If that's the best I can get, I might take it, or I might hold off and grade at that price.

Yea but what Tyson said, Bichette is selling on Name and Yankee team name alone, while Hultzen is a stub No 1-2 pitcher that could see the big leagues very soon. I'm still sticking at around 500.

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WCTYSON

No way Bichette commands more than Hultzen. He might be in the Yankees' fan system but he is not in their plans for the future and Hultzen is a high rank prospect in all of MiLB.

Disagree. I'd certainly want Bichette more, myself.

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Originally Posted by Doublexthebeast

I had originally thought he would push $750 but with no basis for comparison its tough to say. Put it at auction and let it ride, thats the only true way of determining value.

Unfortunately, I don't have the cajones for that right now. If it I don't get an offer to my liking, I may consider it though.

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ajax1723

Yea but what Tyson said, Bichette is selling on Name and Yankee team name alone, while Hultzen is a stub No 1-2 pitcher that could see the big leagues very soon. I'm still sticking at around 500.

Nah, Bichette is a really good prospect. Made changes to his swing. It's not hype alone. Also, haven't heard any scouting report that describes Hultzen as anything more than a long term #3. His biggest thing is that he will move super fast and is finished product, which, admittedly, does have some value.

WCTYSON · 05-10-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by johnorpheus

Disagree. I'd certainly want Bichette more, myself.

I know VWBUS is a collector of his. Send him a pm.

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WCTYSON

I know VWBUS is a collector of his. Send him a pm.

oh yeah, I remember that. I might send him one. If he's interested I'd certainly be open to working something out off ebay, which would be my preference.

Jenkinssssss · 05-10-2012, 02:00 PM

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johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 02:03 PM

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anotsothinlyveiledFSthreadturnsintoOParguingwhensmackedwithlogic

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Hit the nail on the head as usual.

go_steelers07 · 05-10-2012, 02:09 PM

the longer you wait, the better chance another purple pops up and more likely than not it will be in the $450-$550 range which will make yours less valuable. the market will be set and one less buyer willing to offer up that much $.

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by go_steelers07

the longer you wait, the better chance another purple pops up and more likely than not it will be in the $450-$550 range which will make yours less valuable. the market will be set and one less buyer willing to offer up that much $.

Good point. This is the only one out there right now. Hopefully I can get a decent offer in the next 7 days before another one pops up. Just to be clear, I'm not expecting a grand or something, just maybe a $100 - 200 more than what the Hultzen auction went for. If I can't get that I'll accept it and probably move it for less.

mgugs46 · 05-10-2012, 02:30 PM

I honestly don't think purples sell as well as they should. Seems the traditional red/orange/gold are FAR more popular.

craines27mc · 05-10-2012, 02:32 PM

So do you really want people's advice or just for someone to agree with you?

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by craines27mc

So do you really want people's advice or just for someone to agree with you?

Come on. Yes, I wanted opinions on what it was worth. People seem to think it's worth as much as the Hultzen went for in auction. That's fine, but I disagree for the reasons I've already stated. I might be wrong, who knows. I appreciate eveyone's opinion, but, of course, I have a right to disagree with them. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

xbignick · 05-10-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by johnorpheus

Nah, Bichette is a really good prospect. Made changes to his swing. It's not hype alone. Also, haven't heard any scouting report that describes Hultzen as anything more than a long term #3. His biggest thing is that he will move super fast and is finished product, which, admittedly, does have some value.

Hultzen is easily the better long term piece and it's not even close to be honest.

johnorpheus · 05-10-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xbignick

Hultzen is easily the better long term piece and it's not even close to be honest.

Please back this up with scouting reports/other info, as I'm not fond of declarations of fact without any basis for them.

go_steelers07 · 05-10-2012, 02:53 PM

i have another opinion, but not on a price......

the people that spend time debating on price and what offers they should accept or not accept are the people who end up waiting too long and missing out on top dollar. if there is one thing i've learned over the last 12 years of busting Bowman products is to open fast and auction the cards even faster. i let bidders determine the price and let the 'prospecting' to others. list it tonight for 3 days starting @ 99 cents. take what it sells for and move on to the next product.

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johnorpheus Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,093	Need help with value on Dante Bichette Jr. Purple Refractor Auto Just pulled a Bichette Jr. Purple refractor auto /10 last night. Having a hard time determining value for this, as there just isn't a ton of past sales of purple refractor autos. Had an offer for $350 right after I listed it, but I'm not letting it go for that low. Any ideas? __________________ Oscar Taveras

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mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	I honestly don't think purples sell as well as they should. Seems the traditional red/orange/gold are FAR more popular. __________________ Buying rare 90's inserts of Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra and other Red Sox/star players Always looking for PEDRO MARTINEZ patches/autos

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Prospect Rush Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: @prospectrush Posts: 10,179	Put $999 obo

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tonedef2oo8 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 7,241	So you dont know what its worth so you listed it and turned down an offer...

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danimal875 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central New Jersey Posts: 4,935 thunder_cards thundercards	If you can get $600 take the $$$$$

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Ajax1723 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Hatfield, PA Posts: 18,194 raiders_of_the_lost_arkanoid Ajax1723	I'd say in the neighborhood of 500 or so, a Hultzen purple went for somewhere between 450 and 500, and I'd say that might be the closest comparable you could get, as their base autos go for around the same.

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Doublexthebeast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 8,787	I had originally thought he would push $750 but with no basis for comparison its tough to say. Put it at auction and let it ride, thats the only true way of determining value.

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go_steelers07 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nittany Lion Country Posts: 11,168 psu98	the longer you wait, the better chance another purple pops up and more likely than not it will be in the $450-$550 range which will make yours less valuable. the market will be set and one less buyer willing to offer up that much $.

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craines27mc Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 1,972 novacardsllc Craines27mc	So do you really want people's advice or just for someone to agree with you?

05-10-2012, 02:53 PM	#25
go_steelers07 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nittany Lion Country Posts: 11,168 psu98	i have another opinion, but not on a price...... the people that spend time debating on price and what offers they should accept or not accept are the people who end up waiting too long and missing out on top dollar. if there is one thing i've learned over the last 12 years of busting Bowman products is to open fast and auction the cards even faster. i let bidders determine the price and let the 'prospecting' to others. list it tonight for 3 days starting @ 99 cents. take what it sells for and move on to the next product.