Clay Buchholz out for season

mgugs46 · 08-01-2011, 09:14 AM

Stress fracture in his back. Red Sox are screwed IMO. Yes they'll make the playoffs and probably are still good enough to win the AL East. My concern is having Bedard as your #3 in the ALCS or WS. Maybe it's all the negative media around Bedard as not being capable of pitching in big markets. Perhaps he'll prove me wrong but I think the Sox are really in a bad position without Clay as their playoff #3.

jp98 · 08-01-2011, 09:16 AM

They will be fine. Them and the Rangers is who it will come down to and the Rangers pitching isn't that great.

mgugs46 · 08-01-2011, 09:21 AM

I'm not saying they can't win the AL. What I am saying is that since ST this was a world series or bust team IMO. Beckett/Lester/Buchholz sounds a lot better going up against Halladay/Lee/Hamels for example than having to rely on Bedard, a guy who says he doesnt like the limelight.

tehchamp · 08-01-2011, 09:23 AM

Nobody in the AL has a dominant pitching staff to what you'll see in the NL, but they sure can hit.

Tigerwoods1 · 08-01-2011, 09:31 AM

Red Sox will have a tough time holding off the Yanks now. I see them making it to the ALCS for another epic 7 game series with New York, with the Yankees coming out on top.

7290morint · 08-01-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigerwoods1

Red Sox will have a tough time holding off the Yanks now. I see them making it to the ALCS for another epic 7 game series with New York, with the Yankees coming out on top.

I disagree with this. The Yankees have CC Sabathia as their bonofied starter and that is it. They are still without ARod and still are not getting production from Jeter or Posada. The Red Sox still have Lester & Beckett and a much more potent offense. I think Bedard will provide the depth that they needed unless the Yankees bring up Banuelos & Montero to give them extra fire power which is certainly possible since they weren't traded at the deadline.

mgugs46 · 08-01-2011, 09:35 AM

The Yankees # 2&3 starters are Colon and Garcia, so I'm not really concerned about playing them in a series with or without clay.

tehchamp · 08-01-2011, 09:35 AM

I think people are discounting the Rangers too much. I think they have a very good shot at going back to the World Series.

mgugs46 · 08-01-2011, 09:36 AM

Rangers have a great offense and great pen now. I think they are a little weak in SP compared to Boston or Detroit or Anaheim.

jp98 · 08-01-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mgugs46

The Yankees # 2&3 starters are Colon and Garcia, so I'm not really concerned about playing them in a series with or without clay.

Dont forgot AJ Burnett.

7290morint · 08-01-2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tehchamp

I think people are discounting the Rangers too much. I think they have a very good shot at going back to the World Series.

They certainly have an offense that is capable of matching up with Boston but their pitching still isn't great and Neftali Feliz hasn't been shutdown like he was last year and they are still only 2 games up on the Angels.

tehchamp · 08-01-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mgugs46

Rangers have a great offense and great pen now. I think they are a little weak in SP compared to Boston or Detroit or Anaheim.

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Originally Posted by 7290morint

They certainly have an offense that is capable of matching up with Boston but their pitching still isn't great and Neftali Feliz hasn't been shutdown like he was last year and they are still only 2 games up on the Angels.

Ogando is pitching very effectively
CJ Wilson is a solid pitcher
Matt Harrison is very solid
Then you got Holland and Wilson.
Their bullpen is on par with the Red Sox IMO.

REDSOX2011 · 08-01-2011, 10:10 AM

how on earth did buchholz get a stress fracture in his back?? ridiculous injury. it's not like he's doing high jump or pole vaulting out there. geez.

27andcounting · 08-01-2011, 10:24 AM

If the yanks and sox go with a three man rotation in a 7 game series it would look like this:
CC vs. Beckett
Burnett vs. Lester
Nova/Colon/Hughes? vs. Bedard?

who else could the red sox pitch and i can see the yankees calling up betances i really dont think banuelos is ready.
As for the rangers I dont think they'll get past the first round

jp98 · 08-01-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 27andcounting

If the yanks and sox go with a three man rotation in a 7 game series it would look like this:
CC vs. Beckett
Burnett vs. Lester
Nova/Colon/Hughes? vs. Bedard?

who else could the red sox pitch and i can see the yankees calling up betances i really dont think banuelos is ready.
As for the rangers I dont think they'll get past the first round

Is that a joke? Maybe if they play the Red Sox but that won't happen.

pac213up · 08-01-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 27andcounting

If the yanks and sox go with a three man rotation in a 7 game series it would look like this:
CC vs. Beckett
Burnett vs. Lester
Nova/Colon/Hughes? vs. Bedard?

who else could the red sox pitch and i can see the yankees calling up betances i really dont think banuelos is ready.
As for the rangers I dont think they'll get past the first round

Lackey, Wakefield, or even Doubront. Also could see other transactions after the trade deadline.

27andcounting · 08-01-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jp98

Is that a joke? Maybe if they play the Red Sox but that won't happen.

Well they're either playing the red sox or yankees most likely the red sox, I think both of those teams would beat the rangers in a 5 game series. CC or Beckett pitching twice in 5 games, almost 2 guaranteed wins the way those guys are throwing. Not to mention the sox and yankees lineups are better than the rangers'

mainerunr · 08-01-2011, 11:13 AM

Lackey's been pitching better recently. I think with Lackey at 3, Bedard at 4 and Wake at 5 the sox will be fine. They have the most potent offense in the game and that was before Pedroia started killing it.

tehchamp · 08-01-2011, 11:23 AM

Like I said before, people are severely underrating the Rangers.

mgugs46 · 08-01-2011, 11:24 AM

AJ Burnett is NOT the Yankees #2. Cashman even said they didnt go after Jimenez because in Game 2 of the playoffs, theyd prefer Colon over Jimenez. Yanks rotation would be CC/Colon/ and then either Garcia or Burnett.

mgugs46 · 08-01-2011, 11:25 AM

Rangers offense is great - the bullpen is really good. I think their problem is SP. CJ Wilson, Ogando, Harrison, etc are not on the same level as Verlander, Beckett, Lester, Weaver, Haren, CC, etc.

REDSOX2011 · 08-01-2011, 11:57 AM

top 6 teams in baseball, in this order, IMO: phillies and red sox are a toss up for 1 & 2, then braves, rangers, yankees, giants

rangers and braves should not be underestimated, but i think in the end, it'll be phils-sox WS and anything can happen there.

jp98 · 08-01-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 27andcounting

Well they're either playing the red sox or yankees most likely the red sox, I think both of those teams would beat the rangers in a 5 game series. CC or Beckett pitching twice in 5 games, almost 2 guaranteed wins the way those guys are throwing. Not to mention the sox and yankees lineups are better than the rangers'

What is the playoff format? Just curious, I really don't know.

27andcounting · 08-01-2011, 12:50 PM

its just seeded by the final record. if the season ended right now it would be
1. red sox
2. yankees
3. rangers
4. tigers

the top team plays the worst, the wild card plays team with the second best record. But because the yankees are the second best record and the wild card, they'd play the rangers. I just think the yankees have a better overall offense and bullpen, starting pitching is kind of a toss up

YanksBillsFan · 08-01-2011, 01:06 PM

Rangers are very dangerous now with that solidified pen especially in a 5/7 game series. That line-up scares me because anyone in that line-up is capable of breaking open a game. I just hope that the innings that the starters are logging will wear them out come playoffs because there's no way Washington can hold them back with Anaheim at their heels.

08-01-2011, 09:14 AM	#1
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	Clay Buchholz out for season Stress fracture in his back. Red Sox are screwed IMO. Yes they'll make the playoffs and probably are still good enough to win the AL East. My concern is having Bedard as your #3 in the ALCS or WS. Maybe it's all the negative media around Bedard as not being capable of pitching in big markets. Perhaps he'll prove me wrong but I think the Sox are really in a bad position without Clay as their playoff #3. __________________ Buying rare 90's inserts of Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra and other Red Sox/star players Always looking for PEDRO MARTINEZ patches/autos

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08-01-2011, 09:35 AM	#7
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	The Yankees # 2&3 starters are Colon and Garcia, so I'm not really concerned about playing them in a series with or without clay. __________________ Buying rare 90's inserts of Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra and other Red Sox/star players Always looking for PEDRO MARTINEZ patches/autos

08-01-2011, 09:36 AM	#9
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	Rangers have a great offense and great pen now. I think they are a little weak in SP compared to Boston or Detroit or Anaheim. __________________ Buying rare 90's inserts of Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra and other Red Sox/star players Always looking for PEDRO MARTINEZ patches/autos

08-01-2011, 11:24 AM	#20
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	AJ Burnett is NOT the Yankees #2. Cashman even said they didnt go after Jimenez because in Game 2 of the playoffs, theyd prefer Colon over Jimenez. Yanks rotation would be CC/Colon/ and then either Garcia or Burnett. __________________ Buying rare 90's inserts of Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra and other Red Sox/star players Always looking for PEDRO MARTINEZ patches/autos

08-01-2011, 09:16 AM	#2
jp98 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 10,709	They will be fine. Them and the Rangers is who it will come down to and the Rangers pitching isn't that great.

08-01-2011, 09:21 AM	#3
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	I'm not saying they can't win the AL. What I am saying is that since ST this was a world series or bust team IMO. Beckett/Lester/Buchholz sounds a lot better going up against Halladay/Lee/Hamels for example than having to rely on Bedard, a guy who says he doesnt like the limelight. __________________ Buying rare 90's inserts of Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra and other Red Sox/star players Always looking for PEDRO MARTINEZ patches/autos

08-01-2011, 09:23 AM	#4
tehchamp Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stafford, TX Posts: 2,048 tehchamp	Nobody in the AL has a dominant pitching staff to what you'll see in the NL, but they sure can hit.

08-01-2011, 10:10 AM	#13
REDSOX2011 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NH Posts: 3,902 I_dance_on_the_heads_of_trolls	how on earth did buchholz get a stress fracture in his back?? ridiculous injury. it's not like he's doing high jump or pole vaulting out there. geez.

08-01-2011, 10:24 AM	#14
27andcounting Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 326	If the yanks and sox go with a three man rotation in a 7 game series it would look like this: CC vs. Beckett Burnett vs. Lester Nova/Colon/Hughes? vs. Bedard? who else could the red sox pitch and i can see the yankees calling up betances i really dont think banuelos is ready. As for the rangers I dont think they'll get past the first round

08-01-2011, 11:13 AM	#18
mainerunr Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,558	Lackey's been pitching better recently. I think with Lackey at 3, Bedard at 4 and Wake at 5 the sox will be fine. They have the most potent offense in the game and that was before Pedroia started killing it.

08-01-2011, 11:23 AM	#19
tehchamp Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stafford, TX Posts: 2,048 tehchamp	Like I said before, people are severely underrating the Rangers.

08-01-2011, 11:25 AM	#21
mgugs46 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 15,090 mgugs0046 mgugs46	Rangers offense is great - the bullpen is really good. I think their problem is SP. CJ Wilson, Ogando, Harrison, etc are not on the same level as Verlander, Beckett, Lester, Weaver, Haren, CC, etc. __________________ Buying rare 90's inserts of Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra and other Red Sox/star players Always looking for PEDRO MARTINEZ patches/autos

08-01-2011, 11:57 AM	#22
REDSOX2011 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NH Posts: 3,902 I_dance_on_the_heads_of_trolls	top 6 teams in baseball, in this order, IMO: phillies and red sox are a toss up for 1 & 2, then braves, rangers, yankees, giants rangers and braves should not be underestimated, but i think in the end, it'll be phils-sox WS and anything can happen there.

08-01-2011, 12:50 PM	#24
27andcounting Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 326	its just seeded by the final record. if the season ended right now it would be 1. red sox 2. yankees 3. rangers 4. tigers the top team plays the worst, the wild card plays team with the second best record. But because the yankees are the second best record and the wild card, they'd play the rangers. I just think the yankees have a better overall offense and bullpen, starting pitching is kind of a toss up

08-01-2011, 01:06 PM	#25
YanksBillsFan Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,351	Rangers are very dangerous now with that solidified pen especially in a 5/7 game series. That line-up scares me because anyone in that line-up is capable of breaking open a game. I just hope that the innings that the starters are logging will wear them out come playoffs because there's no way Washington can hold them back with Anaheim at their heels. __________________ Collecting: Brett Gardner