How bad is PSA going to ding me here?

daviswr7 · 06-27-2017, 06:28 PM

So here's the question. The front of these 1961 Fleer cards are gorgeous, however they were kept in phot albums and the BACK is what I'm concerned with. They were kept in little frames in an album for 55 years and have now been taken out and as you can see have faded or oxidized of some sort on the corners where they were framed. You can see what the colors were on the back corners compared to the rest of the back...

The card fronts are pack fresh and quite stunning, sharp corners, amazing color, etc...thoughts on the discoloration and how PSA will interpret it?

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daviswr7 · 06-27-2017, 06:31 PM

Front of cards are lovely..

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ThoseBackPages · 06-27-2017, 07:22 PM

man, its hard to say

but honestly, it doesnt matter

whatever "assigned" grades they are given, will be some of the finest examples for that assigned grade

holy heck those are nice

nman84 · 06-27-2017, 07:25 PM

I can't help much you but my guess is it would be -1 or -2 grades from what it would be without the stains.

I'm so jealous of these vintage NBA cards you have acquired. FWIW I'm a buyer whenever you get those back from PSA

MFaulkCollector · 06-27-2017, 07:28 PM

Take a look at the PSA guidelines... it tells you where cards would fall that him staining and/or other issues. I feel like it may be on the 6 or 7 level

WilsonCollector · 06-27-2017, 07:45 PM

Wow those look amazing, pack fresh indeed. I just hope they don't get a min size, Russell, Wilt, to a lesser extent Big O look short to me. You might measure those before you send them, if they are short I would think about going with SGC to get them into holders.

MJGOAT23 · 06-28-2017, 07:07 AM

Wow - great find.

I would guess the fading would drop them to the 5-6 range but its on the back so you might get into the higher end of receiving half grades. The better centered ones might pull 7's+ though.

rats60 · 06-28-2017, 12:42 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they come back as low as a 3. I can't see them getting higher than a 5. This is based on my experience. Hopefully for you they come back better, but as someone above said, they will probably be among the nicest for their grade. PSA usually is extremely harsh for these type of things.

daviswr7 · 06-28-2017, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

I wouldn't be surprised if they come back as low as a 3. I can't see them getting higher than a 5. This is based on my experience. Hopefully for you they come back better, but as someone above said, they will probably be among the nicest for their grade. PSA usually is extremely harsh for these type of things.

This is my concern. It's tough to label what the situation with the backs of these cards are...There are not stained. They were just put in a photo album for almost 60 years and kept shut. Maybe Oxidized or discoloration are better words to describe the back, whatever the case is, the back of the cards seemed to react to whatever they put on photo albums that keep your photos in place......but either way I am expecting PSA to be brutal (as they usually are). I am hoping nothing as low as a 3, but I have learned grading vintage singles can be a tough game...well send em off and hope for the best..

thanks for everyones input

RogerGodahell · 06-28-2017, 05:26 PM

Wow those look amazing. Do you know any chain smokers? you could always leave them in a chain smokers house for a year to make the backs look consistently yellowed

StevenTormollan · 06-28-2017, 06:46 PM

PSA 3-5 area. The stains hurt bad. Still will have great eye appeal. Just a nasty funky stain on the back.

StevenTormollan · 06-28-2017, 06:47 PM

I get what you're saying but they are still stained because those corners were kept concealed and were not able to properly age like the rest of the surfaces of the card. Think of patina. Its like that. Call it what you want, but its a serious flaw.

StevenTormollan · 06-28-2017, 06:49 PM

These honestly may sell better raw on ebay, and will be cheaper since you don't have to slab. Simply take straight forward, clear pictures and list those bad boys. I'm guessing you gross more that way than with a bunch of psa 3's and psa 4's especially when you add in grading costs.

ThoseBackPages · 06-28-2017, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StevenTormollan

These honestly may sell better raw on ebay, and will be cheaper since you don't have to slab. Simply take straight forward, clear pictures and list those bad boys. I'm guessing you gross more that way than with a bunch of psa 3's and psa 4's especially when you add in grading costs.

open to easy returns though if raw

StevenTormollan · 06-28-2017, 07:21 PM

On ebay buyers can return anything they want at anytime (for the most part). Ebay always sides with buyers. Its the chance you take. I would personally consign these raw to probstein and have him take clear front and back pics and let them roll at auction. They would sell for a mint. A lot more than psa 3's-5's.

ThoseBackPages · 06-28-2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by StevenTormollan

On ebay buyers can return anything they want at anytime (for the most part). Ebay always sides with buyers. Its the chance you take. I would personally consign these raw to probstein and have him take clear front and back pics and let them roll at auction. They would sell for a mint. A lot more than psa 3's-5's.

i hear ya.

i would slab and send to Brent, personally

rats60 · 06-28-2017, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i hear ya.

i would slab and send to Brent, personally

Or send to Brent's doctor first and you can turn 4s into 7s.

MJGOAT23 · 07-27-2017, 07:07 AM

so, what ended up happening with these?

Scottish Punk · 07-27-2017, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenTormollan

These honestly may sell better raw on ebay, and will be cheaper since you don't have to slab. Simply take straight forward, clear pictures and list those bad boys. I'm guessing you gross more that way than with a bunch of psa 3's and psa 4's especially when you add in grading costs.

Those still look great raw. It is more difficult selling vintage raw though. Personally, I would be ecstatic to have those in my collection. I may lean toward SGC if grading.

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Originally Posted by rats60

Or send to Brent's doctor first and you can turn 4s into 7s.

Or this.

daviswr7 · 07-30-2017, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Or send to Brent's doctor first and you can turn 4s into 7s.

That sounds like a story I want to hear...

Nothing has happened yet with these.

RogerGodahell · 07-30-2017, 07:27 PM

Not a fan of the chain smoking method huh?

mjohnatgt · 07-30-2017, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by daviswr7

That sounds like a story I want to hear...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1654445

MJGOAT23 · 09-13-2017, 06:40 AM

bumping this up. curious if they ever went to PSA?

06-27-2017, 06:28 PM	#1
daviswr7 Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Dagobah Posts: 7,240 daviswr7	How bad is PSA going to ding me here? So here's the question. The front of these 1961 Fleer cards are gorgeous, however they were kept in phot albums and the BACK is what I'm concerned with. They were kept in little frames in an album for 55 years and have now been taken out and as you can see have faded or oxidized of some sort on the corners where they were framed. You can see what the colors were on the back corners compared to the rest of the back... The card fronts are pack fresh and quite stunning, sharp corners, amazing color, etc...thoughts on the discoloration and how PSA will interpret it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06-27-2017, 07:22 PM	#3
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 83,028 ThoseBackPages	man, its hard to say but honestly, it doesnt matter whatever "assigned" grades they are given, will be some of the finest examples for that assigned grade holy heck those are nice __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

06-27-2017, 07:45 PM	#6
WilsonCollector Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,520	Wow those look amazing, pack fresh indeed. I just hope they don't get a min size, Russell, Wilt, to a lesser extent Big O look short to me. You might measure those before you send them, if they are short I would think about going with SGC to get them into holders. __________________ I am Largentcollector on other forums.

06-27-2017, 06:31 PM	#2
daviswr7 Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Dagobah Posts: 7,240 daviswr7	Front of cards are lovely.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

06-27-2017, 07:25 PM	#4
nman84 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 775	I can't help much you but my guess is it would be -1 or -2 grades from what it would be without the stains. I'm so jealous of these vintage NBA cards you have acquired. FWIW I'm a buyer whenever you get those back from PSA

06-27-2017, 07:28 PM	#5
MFaulkCollector Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,891	Take a look at the PSA guidelines... it tells you where cards would fall that him staining and/or other issues. I feel like it may be on the 6 or 7 level

06-28-2017, 07:07 AM	#7
MJGOAT23 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2,683 djhoog23	Wow - great find. I would guess the fading would drop them to the 5-6 range but its on the back so you might get into the higher end of receiving half grades. The better centered ones might pull 7's+ though.

06-28-2017, 12:42 PM	#8
rats60 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,500	I wouldn't be surprised if they come back as low as a 3. I can't see them getting higher than a 5. This is based on my experience. Hopefully for you they come back better, but as someone above said, they will probably be among the nicest for their grade. PSA usually is extremely harsh for these type of things.

06-28-2017, 05:26 PM	#10
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Wow those look amazing. Do you know any chain smokers? you could always leave them in a chain smokers house for a year to make the backs look consistently yellowed

06-28-2017, 06:46 PM	#11
StevenTormollan Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: United States Posts: 2,296	PSA 3-5 area. The stains hurt bad. Still will have great eye appeal. Just a nasty funky stain on the back.

06-28-2017, 06:47 PM	#12
StevenTormollan Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: United States Posts: 2,296	I get what you're saying but they are still stained because those corners were kept concealed and were not able to properly age like the rest of the surfaces of the card. Think of patina. Its like that. Call it what you want, but its a serious flaw.

06-28-2017, 06:49 PM	#13
StevenTormollan Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: United States Posts: 2,296	These honestly may sell better raw on ebay, and will be cheaper since you don't have to slab. Simply take straight forward, clear pictures and list those bad boys. I'm guessing you gross more that way than with a bunch of psa 3's and psa 4's especially when you add in grading costs.

06-28-2017, 07:21 PM	#15
StevenTormollan Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: United States Posts: 2,296	On ebay buyers can return anything they want at anytime (for the most part). Ebay always sides with buyers. Its the chance you take. I would personally consign these raw to probstein and have him take clear front and back pics and let them roll at auction. They would sell for a mint. A lot more than psa 3's-5's.

07-27-2017, 07:07 AM	#18
MJGOAT23 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2,683 djhoog23	so, what ended up happening with these?

07-30-2017, 07:27 PM	#21
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Not a fan of the chain smoking method huh?

09-13-2017, 06:40 AM	#23
MJGOAT23 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2,683 djhoog23	bumping this up. curious if they ever went to PSA?