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View Poll Results: _____ would be considered an "elite" QB with a SB win this season.
Carson Palmer 2 1.64%
Matt Ryan 49 40.16%
Matthew Stafford 23 18.85%
Philip Rivers 25 20.49%
Andy Dalton 3 2.46%
Eli Manning 18 14.75%
Joe Flacco 4 3.28%
Russell Wilson 24 19.67%
Andrew Luck 50 40.98%
Cam Newton 21 17.21%
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:44 PM   #226
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*still waiting for the answer to the other part of my answer....Stafford suppose to go out and play DB in the 4th qtr. to make sure they hold those leads?
So Tom Brady is 7-0 in the Super Bowl?!

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Peyton????
Yup...Von Miller won the other.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:47 PM   #228
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Yup...Von Miller won the other.
Exactly.....Peyton could throw anything but a wobbly duck. I think they could have won not putting Manning back in.

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Hard to be respected when you're losing. 51-61 regular season record and 0-3 in the playoffs.
I understand completely but as I said before I am looking at the whole picture here. Stafford took over an 0-16 team with Calvin and they have been to the Playoffs 3 times and last year solely because of him and his comebacks. How many coaching changes and front office staff has the Lions gone thru while he was there. I know he has been in the league 9 years now. He played 13 games in his 1st 2 and played 1/4 of last season and the playoff game with a busted up throwing hand with a splint at points and RB's they hired off the street that same week. The defense has never been able to hold anyone from scoring when it counted. I watch Lions games. Stafford has made some errors but what everyone seems to forget is he is as young as Luck & a couple of the other guys on that list. I am looking at his whole situation and not some stat line.

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Old 07-17-2017, 02:54 PM   #229
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Andrew luck has just as bad of a team if not worse and hes done more than stafford
No one can say what Stafford can. He is the only player ever to take over starting QB of an 0-16 team.

Stafford is good. Very underrated. I see the stats against winning teams, which is laughable considering it is a team game, and he has been on the short end of many 38-35 type losses. He can QB a team, hard for him to personally stop the other team from scoring too.

A lot of people outside of Detroit don't realize how special of a player Stafford is. He is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but there are only a handful of QBs I'd take over Stafford right now, if that
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No one can say what Stafford can. He is the only player ever to take over starting QB of an 0-16 team.

Stafford is good. Very underrated. I see the stats against winning teams, which is laughable considering it is a team game, and he has been on the short end of many 38-35 type losses. He can QB a team, hard for him to personally stop the other team from scoring too.

A lot of people outside of Detroit don't realize how special of a player Stafford is. He is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but there are only a handful of QBs I'd take over Stafford right now, if that
This is a fair statement. I actually think Stafford is good, not elite though.
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No one can say what Stafford can. He is the only player ever to take over starting QB of an 0-16 team.

Stafford is good. Very underrated. I see the stats against winning teams, which is laughable considering it is a team game, and he has been on the short end of many 38-35 type losses. He can QB a team, hard for him to personally stop the other team from scoring too.

A lot of people outside of Detroit don't realize how special of a player Stafford is. He is not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but there are only a handful of QBs I'd take over Stafford right now, if that
My question always is but never EVER gets answered. What QB's do you think would have as much success on the Lions and have gone thru what Stafford has there? Or do you think Stafford would have a lot more success say he were on the Patriots?
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Come on man. You're comparing those QBs to Stafford, a one time pro-bowl QB in 8 seasons? Go compare the numbers also. Yes those guys have 1 SB (minus Peyton who actually has 2) - but now you're looking at the 1 stat. I said do you think winning that 1 SB makes Stafford elite. No it doesn't.

PLease don't misconstrue me also - I am not saying he is a BAD QB. I Am saying he isn't elite and 1 SB won't make him elite.
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My question always is but never EVER gets answered. What QB's do you think would have as much success on the Lions and have gone thru what Stafford has there?
Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck

Possibly Matt Ryan, Eli Manning and Big Ben
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Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck

Possibly Matt Ryan, Eli Manning and Big Ben
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What if Stafford decides he isn't signing with the Lions.....and ended up on the Bronco's??
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Come on man. You're comparing those QBs to Stafford, a one time pro-bowl QB in 8 seasons? Go compare the numbers also. Yes those guys have 1 SB (minus Peyton who actually has 2) - but now you're looking at the 1 stat. I said do you think winning that 1 SB makes Stafford elite. No it doesn't.

PLease don't misconstrue me also - I am not saying he is a BAD QB. I Am saying he isn't elite and 1 SB won't make him elite.
Then why the argument? I NEVER SAID STAFFORD WAS ELITE! Again go answer my other questions instead of turning it back into the same old thing,Thanks!
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What if Stafford decides he isn't signing with the Lions.....and ended up on the Bronco's??
He would be making his 1st good decision in the NFL
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NOPE!
You know how many WRs Eli Manning has went through in his career? His defense has always been the back bone in all fairness but his offensive cast has always been bad. Bad WRs, Bad RBs, Bad Oline. Who was the last good offensive player to leave the giants? Cruz, Rueben Randle, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Mannigham, Amhamd Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs, Andre Williams, Rashad Jennings etc, they've all became **** after leaving the giants
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Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck

Possibly Matt Ryan, Eli Manning and Big Ben
Really? Still waiting for all these stats Luck has over Stafford. Yes he did win a couple playoff games...he had a better team then. But what else you got? I can see maybe Brady & Brees. Rodgers has barely made the playoffs at times with a much better team than the Lions have fielded. Not sure that stands up. I like Ben & Ryan but just not sure and I am sure Eli wouldn't play for Lions like he wouldn't play for the Chargers. We are talking about taking over the 0-16 Lions not the current Lions team and all the coaching and front office changes.
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You know how many WRs Eli Manning has went through in his career? His defense has always been the back bone in all fairness but his offensive cast has always been bad. Bad WRs, Bad RBs, Bad Oline. Who was the last good offensive player to leave the giants? Cruz, Rueben Randle, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Mannigham, Amhamd Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs, Andre Williams, Rashad Jennings etc, they've all became **** after leaving the giants
Ok so name me Lions players who left that have done anything....I can definitely get on board with some of your listed players over some of the Lions players we have drafted......Cruz, Rueben Randle, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Mannigham,
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Then why the argument? I NEVER SAID STAFFORD WAS ELITE! Again go answer my other questions instead of turning it back into the same old thing,Thanks!

Did you read the poll? "Which veteran QBs would join the "ELITE" club with A SB win?" - So yes, you are saying he is elite if he wins 1 sb because you voted for him. All your other questions - All Pro OL, 4th quarter comebacks, taking an 0-16 team to still 0 playoff wins and so on and so forth about the past that have nothing to do with the actual poll. The question is if he wins 1 SB is he elite? You answered "My 2 picks were Stafford & Luck."

And the 5-46 stat - it's a stat. Here I'll phrase it this way "Detroit is 5-46 against teams with a .500 record or above with Matthew Stafford as QB of the team in the past 8 seasons". That stat is literally embarrassing/atrocious and it would be to ANY QB or TEAM in the NFL regardless of literally any circumstance. Which again, does not help his cause in this poll for "Elite" status. In no way did I say this is the only stat to consider when considering elite status either. Just saying - 1 SB win does not make Stafford elite as the poll is asking.
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Ok so name me Lions players who left that have done anything....I can definitely get on board with some of your listed players over some of the Lions players we have drafted......Cruz, Rueben Randle, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Mannigham,
Calvin Johnson would be good on the Cleveland browns. Golden tate isn't that bad and hes been on multiple teams. Nobody on the giants has been good once they left the giants. Reason being is because eli manning makes them good
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You know how many WRs Eli Manning has went through in his career? His defense has always been the back bone in all fairness but his offensive cast has always been bad. Bad WRs, Bad RBs, Bad Oline. Who was the last good offensive player to leave the giants? Cruz, Rueben Randle, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Mannigham, Amhamd Bradshaw, Brandon Jacobs, Andre Williams, Rashad Jennings etc, they've all became **** after leaving the giants
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Calvin Johnson would be good on the Cleveland browns. Golden tate isn't that bad and hes been on multiple teams. Nobody on the giants has been good once they left the giants. Reason being is because eli manning makes them good
Agreed Calvin would have been good anywhere but he did go 0-16 with out Stafford. Tate has been on 2 teams. He was drafted by the Seahawks and his 1st 1000 yard season was when he came to play with Stafford & Calvin. Last year with out Calvin taking up double coverage he was back to an unimpressive season. Even Jones started off hot but went into mediocrity. I due credit some of that to all the RB & O-line injuries. At 1 point they signed 2 RB's off the street and they played that same week.
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Did you read the poll? "Which veteran QBs would join the "ELITE" club with A SB win?" - So yes, you are saying he is elite if he wins 1 sb because you voted for him. All your other questions - All Pro OL, 4th quarter comebacks, taking an 0-16 team to still 0 playoff wins and so on and so forth about the past that have nothing to do with the actual poll. The question is if he wins 1 SB is he elite? You answered "My 2 picks were Stafford & Luck."

And the 5-46 stat - it's a stat. Here I'll phrase it this way "Detroit is 5-46 against teams with a .500 record or above with Matthew Stafford as QB of the team in the past 8 seasons". That stat is literally embarrassing/atrocious and it would be to ANY QB or TEAM in the NFL regardless of literally any circumstance. Which again, does not help his cause in this poll for "Elite" status. In no way did I say this is the only stat to consider when considering elite status either. Just saying - 1 SB win does not make Stafford elite as the poll is asking.
I do think if Stafford would win the SB this year you will have to start putting him up there in that category. He has passing stats. As said and you have yet to answer is the rest of the whole situation which I do consider. Take over a 0-16 team & finally get them a SB would be story book material.

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What Stafford did last year with the injuries and makeshift running game very few NFL qbs could have done. He made a supporter out of me. Watching him was fun. Sole reason Lions were a competitive team.
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I do think if Stafford would win the SB this year you will have to start putting him up there in that category. He has passing stats. As said and you have yet to answer is the rest of the whole situation which I do consider. Take over a 0-16 team & finally get them a SB finally would be story book material.
Depends on period of time I guess. Over 9 years - is that really story book material?
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Depends on period of time I guess. Over 9 years - is that really story book material?
7 full seasons. He has thrown 5000 yards to follow it up with another (16 yards shy?) to then throw a couple 4500+ years and keeps improving.
He took over an 0-16 team and got them in the playoffs 3 times already. Win in GB after what 10 years? Last year he broke the 4th qtr. comeback in a season record to get them there with a messed up throwing hand. He owns almost all the franchise passing records already. He owns a couple NFL ones also. The youngest to throw for 30,000 yards. and doesn't look to be slowing down. To then win a SB after a 50+ year drought to break the Bobby Layne curse.... and he just turned 29. Why yes,yes I do
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This video is about a comeback vs. the browns? How is that heroic?
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This video is about a comeback vs. the browns? How is that heroic?
Uh maybe watch it...that game has the most passing yards in a game up to that point. Not sure if it's been passed.
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