How many championships does it take?

murrke03 · 02-16-2013, 12:07 PM

So this is a question I've been wondering about. I feel like the cliche thing to say is 'oh jordan has 6 championships blah blah blah'. Now personally I am one that thinks ones overall legacy needs to have championships factored in. The question is how many does a guy actually need to be considered in the talks of GOAT.

Of course the player in question right now is Lebron. But my question is in the future (whether its lebron) or some other player down the road. If they are a complete and great player etc etc how many championships will one need to 'overtake' jordan as GOAT?

Cades · 02-16-2013, 12:10 PM

To overtake jordan, probably at least a few. To be near or at Jordan status probably a couple, obviously asuming stats are where Lebrons are at/stay at

bdoody42 · 02-16-2013, 12:14 PM

Interesting thread. I voted 2-5. If gets toward the higher side of that range like 4 or 5 and stats stay the same the argument will be a great one.

fullmetal · 02-16-2013, 12:22 PM

Already has.

murrke03 · 02-16-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmetal

Already has.

so one?

fullmetal · 02-16-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by murrke03

so one?

Sure. Works for me.

Wings · 02-16-2013, 12:53 PM

Michael Jordan will undoubtedly be the greatest until someone like Lebron wins MORE than 6. How quickly everyone forgets smh. Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player while Lebron is the greatest athlete.

jeebus_86 · 02-16-2013, 01:12 PM

With people talking about how great Lebron is athletically, it should be easy for him to win more then 6. It would almost be disappointing if he doesn't.

Wings · 02-16-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebus_86

With people talking about how great Lebron is athletically, it should be easy for him to win more then 6. It would almost be disappointing if he doesn't.

Its called age, winning 6 championships doesn't happen over night. Lebron is at his physical peak right now, OKC will almost positively steal some championships from Miami in the next few years. Without his superior athleticism Lebron loses a lot of his greatness. I have a hard time seeing him win more than 4.

jp98 · 02-16-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmetal

Sure. Works for me.

You're either joking or a complete moron.

jr24ai3 · 02-16-2013, 01:22 PM

I think James would need to win at least 4 in a row. Jordan never lost in the Finals. 6 for 6, with 6 MVPs. Also won 3 straight titles two times. Winning back to back is tough. But winning back to back to back on 2 different occasions is just nuts. Even if James finishes with 6, people will still bring up that Jordan never lost so he is still better.

murrke03 · 02-16-2013, 01:41 PM

Although important, I think people put WAY TOO MUCH on winning championships.

freethrowtommy · 02-16-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wings

Michael Jordan will undoubtedly be the greatest until someone like Lebron wins MORE than 6. How quickly everyone forgets smh. Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player while Lebron is the greatest athlete.

Bill Russell won more than 6... 11 to be exact.

Kareem won 6...

How come they never come up?

IamRalpho · 02-16-2013, 01:47 PM

I think Bill Russell is the greatest winner of all time and Michael Jordan is the greatest player.

I doubt anyone ever passes him, but if Lebron wins 4-5 titles and 5+ MVP's....then MJ will be passed

Cades · 02-16-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by murrke03

Although important, I think people put WAY TOO MUCH on winning championships.

Clearly lebron put plenty of stock into championships, joining 2 other all stars to solely win championships

Wings · 02-16-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

Bill Russell won more than 6... 11 to be exact.

Kareem won 6...

How come they never come up?

Dont forget Robert Horry, but then nobody would dare mention him and rightly so. Bill played in the 50s and Kareem played forever. What Michael did was short and swift. I just can't put 50s bball on the same level as 90s ball, whether thats fair or not.

detroitlions · 02-16-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cades

Clearly lebron put plenty of stock into championships, joining 2 other all stars to solely win championships

well jordan wasnt exactly dominant in playoffs without pippen, 1-9 to be percise. everybody needs help its a team game.

freethrowtommy · 02-16-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wings

Dont forget Robert Horry, but then nobody would dare mention him and rightly so. Bill played in the 50s and Kareem played forever. What Michael did was short and swift. I just can't put 50s bball on the same level as 90s ball, whether thats fair or not.

I can't believe you even thought to put Robert Horry in the same paragraph as Kareem and Russell.

If you hung from Jordan's nuts any lower, you would probably be on the ground.

Wings · 02-16-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freethrowtommy

I can't believe you even thought to put Robert Horry in the same paragraph as Kareem and Russell.

If you hung from Jordan's nuts any lower, you would probably be on the ground.

LOL, but but but they have more championships, thats what you said.

Cades · 02-16-2013, 01:55 PM

Which still changes nothing from what I just said.

Championships are a measure for a reason, players play the game for championships, players look for better situations to win championships.

fullmetal · 02-16-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jp98

You're either joking or a complete moron.

C. Not a Jordan winch.

yaoming · 02-16-2013, 01:58 PM

3 in a row is enough
Remember that we cant really compare teams from different decades
The NBA had different salary cap structure etc etc. just look at what memphis did.
If the penalty is higher more teams will be " weaker" to avoid penalty. Like the Heat now , they cant keep adding pieces like Lakers in the early 2000s

Remember, it is still a team sports

Gcervantes2 · 02-16-2013, 02:04 PM

Luke walton has 2 rings ")

murrke03 · 02-16-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cades

Clearly lebron put plenty of stock into championships, joining 2 other all stars to solely win championships

No way really???????

Tell me what player doesn't want to win a championship?

My point is fans put some number on how many a player has to do to achieve greatness?

Saying Lebron has to win over 6 to best Lebron is such a weak argument. Why doesn't Jordan have to win more then 11? or more then 6?

A lot of people were saying Lebron can't be in GOAT talks until he wins a championship. Now its oh he can't be in talks until he wins a couple, next up it will be he has to win 6, then oh no it has to be more then 6. its so lame

Orangejello727 · 02-16-2013, 02:20 PM

Big difference when you chase down a ring by leaving your team to find an easy route.

Fact: Russell, Kobe, MJ never had to take their talents to another city to do it! THey stayed home and made it happen!! The difference between earning one the hard way or chasing one down the easy way! Might as well go out and buy a couple up yourself and say "Hey im great because I bought 5 rings"

View Poll Results: How many championships does it take?
1	4	3.60%
2-5 (just more then one)	65	58.56%
6	9	8.11%
more then 6 (thus more then jordan)	33	29.73%
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02-16-2013, 12:07 PM	#1
murrke03 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,606 murrke03	How many championships does it take? So this is a question I've been wondering about. I feel like the cliche thing to say is 'oh jordan has 6 championships blah blah blah'. Now personally I am one that thinks ones overall legacy needs to have championships factored in. The question is how many does a guy actually need to be considered in the talks of GOAT. Of course the player in question right now is Lebron. But my question is in the future (whether its lebron) or some other player down the road. If they are a complete and great player etc etc how many championships will one need to 'overtake' jordan as GOAT?

02-16-2013, 12:10 PM	#2
Cades Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 3,014 cadesnh1	To overtake jordan, probably at least a few. To be near or at Jordan status probably a couple, obviously asuming stats are where Lebrons are at/stay at __________________ http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/Cadesnh/ Collecting Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics, Bruins.

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bdoody42 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MD Posts: 8,346 Mainecards42 bdoody42	Interesting thread. I voted 2-5. If gets toward the higher side of that range like 4 or 5 and stats stay the same the argument will be a great one. __________________ Looking for Celtic on card autos and Paul Pierce cards. IG-marylandcards42

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IamRalpho Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 17,608 IamSilly	I think Bill Russell is the greatest winner of all time and Michael Jordan is the greatest player. I doubt anyone ever passes him, but if Lebron wins 4-5 titles and 5+ MVP's....then MJ will be passed __________________ If you have under 25 iTrader feedback or any negative, I will ask you to send first I do not ask for much, but please leave feedback if everything goes well with our deal.

02-16-2013, 12:22 PM	#4
fullmetal Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13,249	Already has.

02-16-2013, 12:53 PM	#7
Wings Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omaha Posts: 5,364	Michael Jordan will undoubtedly be the greatest until someone like Lebron wins MORE than 6. How quickly everyone forgets smh. Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player while Lebron is the greatest athlete.

02-16-2013, 01:12 PM	#8
jeebus_86 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 940	With people talking about how great Lebron is athletically, it should be easy for him to win more then 6. It would almost be disappointing if he doesn't.

02-16-2013, 01:22 PM	#11
jr24ai3 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,740	I think James would need to win at least 4 in a row. Jordan never lost in the Finals. 6 for 6, with 6 MVPs. Also won 3 straight titles two times. Winning back to back is tough. But winning back to back to back on 2 different occasions is just nuts. Even if James finishes with 6, people will still bring up that Jordan never lost so he is still better.

02-16-2013, 01:41 PM	#12
murrke03 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,606 murrke03	Although important, I think people put WAY TOO MUCH on winning championships.

02-16-2013, 01:55 PM	#20
Cades Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 3,014 cadesnh1	Which still changes nothing from what I just said. Championships are a measure for a reason, players play the game for championships, players look for better situations to win championships. __________________ http://s110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/Cadesnh/ Collecting Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics, Bruins.

02-16-2013, 01:58 PM	#22
yaoming Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,822	3 in a row is enough Remember that we cant really compare teams from different decades The NBA had different salary cap structure etc etc. just look at what memphis did. If the penalty is higher more teams will be " weaker" to avoid penalty. Like the Heat now , they cant keep adding pieces like Lakers in the early 2000s Remember, it is still a team sports

02-16-2013, 02:04 PM	#23
Gcervantes2 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 510 G_cervantes2	Luke walton has 2 rings ")

02-16-2013, 02:20 PM	#25
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 18,954	Big difference when you chase down a ring by leaving your team to find an easy route. Fact: Russell, Kobe, MJ never had to take their talents to another city to do it! THey stayed home and made it happen!! The difference between earning one the hard way or chasing one down the easy way! Might as well go out and buy a couple up yourself and say "Hey im great because I bought 5 rings"