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Old 10-22-2011, 07:51 PM   #1
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This is in response to your post on 10/16."Yet another fake Stafford patch...sigh. Kong53...top rated...when will it end".. You see your post was a direct attack on me Kong53. My reputation and my character was questioned by you. It doesn't look like your "expertise" on fake patch making has held up too good. Your theory: "All regular,non gold patches from sp authentic were hard angeled, squared off patches,not round letter/number patches, is just a bunch of bull. You need to get your facts straight before you attack reputable sellers. You left me no choice but to end my auctions early and put the cards into Beckett and let them determine if they are real. Although the Schaub spx didn't grade out well the cards were not altered cards. The Stafford graded out 8.5 even with the slight flaking of the patch window. Now ninjacookies you can admitt you were wrong and the next time you post your opinions they won't carry much weight. This just goes to show anyone can post anything they want with no real hard facts. If I thought for one second these cards weren't authentic I wouldnt have even listed them for sale. I tried to be honest and put in my listing that there was a very slight flaking at the patch window. In return for being honest I get attacked and then accused of being a fake patch maker/seller. I have put the scans of the cards that Beckett looked at today and this will put an end to these false accusations against me. Ninjacookies you need to get your facts straight before making false accusations. Enjoy the pics, i think they speak volumes...


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Old 10-22-2011, 07:53 PM   #2
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pretty sure beckett only cares about the card, NOT the patch
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:54 PM   #3
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Beckett doesn't care about the patch.
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:00 PM   #4
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You pull those cards yourself?
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:03 PM   #5
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I'm sorry but whoever thinks Beckett is going to grade fake patch cards is wrong. If the card is "altered" Beckett will return it with a altered sticker,not a grade...
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:04 PM   #6
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Hate to break it to you, but Beckett has graded fake patches AND autos. Beckett just grades the card, they don't authenticate it. Thanks to card companies unwillingness to simply take a photo of their card batches and place them on their web site so we can verify patches, one wonders if it would even be possible years later to authenticate them without a doubt.

Please note, I am not accusing you of faking the patches or saying they are, simply saying a Beckett grade does not equal a real patch. Ask Gellman or deltapi1049.
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:18 PM   #8
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Beckett only grades the card and autograph, not the patch. If the actual cardboard was altered, they would not grade the card, but if the patch was altered, they couldn't care less. A lot of patch fakers think that by grading a fake patch card, it is considered authentic. The card might be authentic, but the patch is very much fake.
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:21 PM   #9
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Atta boy Luther!
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:25 PM   #10
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:32 PM   #12
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And that Schaub has a fake patch. I am 99.9% sure as I have 5 of the 25 of these cards and 15-20 of the base SPxs and all have a single color jersey in them. I saw that card on eBay and there was no way I was going to pay that amoutn of money for a fake patch.

I have asked the patch question of Beckett a few times and they have remained consistent in their answer. They do not authenticate the card aside from the autograph. The will check for trimming and other alterations to the card, but the patch is not authenticated.

Sorry, if this goes against what the OP is saying, but these are the answers I have gotten from Beckett and my opinion as a long time Schaub collector.
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:33 PM   #13
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I'm sorry but whoever thinks Beckett is going to grade fake patch cards is wrong. If the card is "altered" Beckett will return it with a altered sticker,not a grade...
If the card itself is altered. Beckett has no way of authenticating patches.
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:43 PM   #14
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This is in response to your post on 10/16."Yet another fake Stafford patch...sigh. Kong53...top rated...when will it end".. You see your post was a direct attack on me Kong53. My reputation and my character was questioned by you. It doesn't look like your "expertise" on fake patch making has held up too good. Your theory: "All regular,non gold patches from sp authentic were hard angeled, squared off patches,not round letter/number patches, is just a bunch of bull. You need to get your facts straight before you attack reputable sellers. You left me no choice but to end my auctions early and put the cards into Beckett and let them determine if they are real. Although the Schaub spx didn't grade out well the cards were not altered cards. The Stafford graded out 8.5 even with the slight flaking of the patch window. Now ninjacookies you can admitt you were wrong and the next time you post your opinions they won't carry much weight. This just goes to show anyone can post anything they want with no real hard facts. If I thought for one second these cards weren't authentic I wouldnt have even listed them for sale. I tried to be honest and put in my listing that there was a very slight flaking at the patch window. In return for being honest I get attacked and then accused of being a fake patch maker/seller. I have put the scans of the cards that Beckett looked at today and this will put an end to these false accusations against me. Ninjacookies you need to get your facts straight before making false accusations. Enjoy the pics, i think they speak volumes...


Hey tool, the stafford he posted was a proven fake so don't come around here attempting to prove otherwise. And raw card reviews dont count, i doubt they take much time to verify the authenticity of the patch
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:45 PM   #15
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I'll give you $40 for the two.
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:09 PM   #16
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Hey tool, the stafford he posted was a proven fake so don't come around here attempting to prove otherwise. And raw card reviews dont count, i doubt they take much time to verify the authenticity of the patch

Really? Show me where that was proven? pretty sure your mixing it up with another thread....
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:23 PM   #17
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BTW, nice fake patches!
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:41 PM   #18
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Really? Show me where that was proven? pretty sure your mixing it up with another thread....
Don't mind this guy, he talks out of his ass (ColtsCrush86)!! But like others stated, beckett doesn't care about the patches!!
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Old 10-22-2011, 10:19 PM   #19
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Did that go the way you thought it was gonna go?

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Old 10-22-2011, 10:36 PM   #20
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Fake patches are fake...
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:24 PM   #21
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This seems to have worked out well for the OP
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Old 10-22-2011, 11:49 PM   #22
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The OP is an idiot.
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Old 10-23-2011, 12:12 AM   #23
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I don't send in, but I thought I had heard that BGS does have a service for this now. I'm on my phone, so I just found this real quick.

CAN A PATCH CARD BE PROFESSIONALLY AUTHENTICATED?
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Old 10-23-2011, 12:17 AM   #24
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no way that spx patch is real, sorry.
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