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Old 06-22-2009, 06:24 PM   #1
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Default Attack of the AP Forgeries? Where are they Getting these from?

Bored and started surfing the bay at work, and jesus the number of these rising fake AP Autos is getting ridiculous. When I mean ridiculous I mean the person forging them is getting to point where he doesn't even care how the auto looks anymore. So next to the fake rookie premiere autos we now got the bowman chromes to look out for, notice how there is no ghostline as to where the auto stickers should be. And why the hell are these auctions so high, are they even schill bidding on their own stuff? Got to give them credit though, atleast they're consitent with the crap auto.

2007 Adrian Peterson BOWMAN CHROME Sp AUTO True RC #65 - eBay (item 270412419612 end time Jun-23-09 13:26:20 PDT)


2007 BOWMAN CHROME ADRIAN PETERSON AUTO ROOKIE VIKINGS - eBay (item 270411774027 end time Jun-26-09 19:03:00 PDT)

ADRIAN PETERSON 2007 BOWMAN CHROME VIKINGS RC AUTO SP - eBay (item 160343739811 end time Jun-28-09 19:40:00 PDT)
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:30 PM   #2
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100% fake. Here's why. Besides what you've mentioned, the real autographed cards have a "mirror" behind the sticker that is not on his regular rookies. None of these have this mirror so that only helps validate your point more. In my example I've have surrounded the "mirror" with a yellow line. Great finds!
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:33 PM   #3
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Trading Card Central - Collector Zone -> Fake Sticker Autos | forums, message boards, blogs, chat


Here's a list of people who have been doing this:

elkridgesportscards, t.wall, cardboardgems1, cardcontractor, onlytherare, unknownquarterback7, borninouterspace , bigboydsportscards3, dmarcus8, exquisite-baybuys,supercollectibles77, jns518, papakon51, xxbadabing, modernbreaks, little_victories, cccupps420, jmvariety09, cardboardpimping, eightieschick505, finestcard519.
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:42 PM   #4
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Not to detract from your AP post, but the third link that goes to Mr. Cardboardpimping? Take a look at his "alleged" Chris Johnson Topps Chrome RC Auto. I didn't notice the lack of ghosting on the AP cards so good catch on that. I was going to blame products like Topps Signature Basketball for flooding the market w/ cheap autographs and making it easy to get ahold of authentic Topps autograph stickers, but after looking at some of my personal cards I guess they could have gotten that style of sticker from all sorts of recent and older Topps products. Wow...

Chris Johnson comparison:

LIKELY GENUINE 08 TOPPS CHROME CHRIS JOHNSON AUTOGRAPH ROOKIE CARD - eBay (item 290324348883 end time Jul-14-09 17:18:22 PDT)

DEFINITELY FAKE CHRIS JOHNSON 2008 08 TOPPS CHROME TITANS RC AUTO - eBay (item 150353710372 end time Jun-28-09 19:31:00 PDT)
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:45 PM   #5
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Right on. I'm guessing the fakers didn't notice it but like I eluded to and you discovered, they're even putting that "ghost" box behind the sticker so that's really two security features now! In other words, kudos to Topps for making their cards harder to forge than these guys think!
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Old 06-22-2009, 07:05 PM   #7
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Sad, isn't it?
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Old 06-22-2009, 07:07 PM   #8
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Gosh this is painful to see...but sometimes the truth is ugly. Better to see this and know that it's happening than to ignore it IMO. Thanks for the posts guys...
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Old 06-22-2009, 07:31 PM   #9
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Yeah, I see what you're talkin about. Those autos are way off from the real deal.
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Old 06-22-2009, 07:58 PM   #10
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Yikes..., you guys truly are scaring me. The Sticker graphs I get how there doing that, the Rookie Premieres & on-card auto's is what I don't get. You guys have better eyes than I do. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, that's really a shame...
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Old 06-22-2009, 08:03 PM   #11
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The Sticker graphs I get how there doing that, the Rookie Premieres & on-card auto's is what I don't get.
I feel the same way about those too, but I think it's pretty obvious something's going on there. I honestly can't tell the cards are fake, the signatures and pen thickness are just way off and that's enough for me. Players won't all of the sudden change their signature in the middle of signing them.
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Old 06-22-2009, 08:48 PM   #12
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ther e is a thread started in suggestions area about starting a list of guys who sell fake stuff all these guys should go on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i was told from topps and upper deck to call them and there fraud team would get right on it!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-22-2009, 08:53 PM   #13
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If you are going to pass fraudulent merchandise wouldn't you do it in person at a show versus on-line where a permanent photographed record is created for the authorities to review and prosecute? All these fakes make me want to puke. I hope these crooks have some soap on a rope.
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Old 06-22-2009, 08:54 PM   #14
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a running list of ebay names passing fake's. this thread was started in the suggestions are all this ebay guys id should be put on this thread a great idea to look at thread before u buy anything
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:02 PM   #15
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DOUBLE KUDOS TO ALL OF YOU WITH A TRAINED EYE! If not for this Thread, I would never think to look at these security features for fraud. Once again, props to you all.
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:44 PM   #16
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Wow. I recognized one name from the list. This dude - bigboydsportscards3 - sold me some tampered wax on ebay 3 years ago (that was before I found BO). I am scared as hell now to buy high end autos after reading this thread.

Good work guys.
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:51 PM   #17
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Can you guys think of ways these companies can make thier cards so they cannot be forged? I don't know the slightest clue on what to look for when looking at real/fake cards beside the authenticity on the back.

One thing I can think of is making sure all Auto/GU are #'d and not have the same variations of cards that are both non-auto and auto'd.
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:21 PM   #18
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Well like I said, the Chrome cards recently have a good one. Besides the autograph sticker, there is a white "ghosted" window behind the autograph as well. This window is obviously not on the regular rookie cards, so that is even more proof that it's authentic. The only other thing I could think of (which will never happen) is to encase each and every autograph/jersey card they make.
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How can you tell those are fake?
Compare them to their real sigs. They don't even look close.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:18 PM   #21
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That is why i never buy single cards! I just buy sealed cases/boxes and what i get is what i get! And what i sell is 100% real! and what i put in my collection i 100% pulled by me! There is a huge factor there for what has meaning to any collector!
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:32 PM   #22
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I think we should make a thread dedicated to reporting all the sellers of fake autographs and patches on e-bay. Pretty much our own version of TCC. I mean the more people who report these sellers, the better the chance that e-bay will do something, right?
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:33 PM   #23
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That is a good idea!
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:40 PM   #24
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Just posted a thread. I guess we will see if we can have any effect on the e-bay fakes market
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Old 06-30-2009, 04:01 AM   #25
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I was going back reading older post and ran across this one. It is a shame how some are willing to destroy a exciting hobby trying to make a buck. I don't know whats more disturbing so many people falling for this scam or ebay for allowing it to continue. I would have thought that the card companies would monitor this and buy the autos then press charges against the individuals who continuely do these things. Maybe it has just gotten so bad that there is no way for them to monitor this. Anyways enough of my rambling. Here is a few of the best and worst fakes for your enjoyment








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