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Old 12-31-2013, 09:55 AM   #1
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Default Peyton Manning - Losing the record?

NOTE - I am a Manning fan. I want him to keep the record.
NOTE 2 - I want them to take it away simply to see the sh*t storm it creates since Denver took him out right after he set the all time mark.

Peyton Manning of Denver Broncos may lose passing yards record - ESPN
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:58 AM   #2
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No chance it's reversed. Zero. Zilch.
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:59 AM   #3
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No chance it's reversed. Zero. Zilch.
Oh I agree. There is literally no chance it happens. I wasn't really posting in a serious way.

But man what a cluster it would be if they did do it. ESPN might explode.
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:59 AM   #4
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Wow... Elias Sports Bureau changes what is already in the record books and you can bet they are no longer the statistical empire for the NFL.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:43 AM   #5
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So the league cannot fix situations where a team loses a game on a bad call but can go back and take a record from Manning? I do not see the league reversing the record. The storm would be huge.
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That will be crazy. Peyton deserves it. I hope he gets his second ring.
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simple stat correction.. happens all the time.

correct stats are needed in the record books. not false ones.
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So the league cannot fix situations where a team loses a game on a bad call but can go back and take a record from Manning? I do not see the league reversing the record. The storm would be huge.
are you serious?

it wasn't a forward pass.
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:07 PM   #9
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If he didnt have the record, he would have played the 3rd quarter.

Lets go back and disect every pass Brees threw, we might find descrepancies there too.
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If he didnt have the record, he would have played the 3rd quarter.

Lets go back and disect every pass Brees threw, we might find descrepancies there too.
sure it has already been done because of the world of fantasy football.....
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are you serious?

it wasn't a forward pass.
Yes. I am serious.

Knowing the significance of the situation I can't believe the league did not install extra procedures to keep this from happening. I am positive that Denver officials made sure to ask the right people if the record was secure. Once the confirmation was made, Peyton left the game.

I totally understand the argument of changing the record. However, if the league takes away a passing record from a guy who sat out an entire half after telling him it was secure it only reiterates the blunders made by the league this season.
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:35 PM   #12
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I guess I am not privey to the situation here. Is there a dispute as to whether or not he actually threw for X amount of yards? Or are they just upset because he got the record and then sat down? If the guy need (for example) 125 yards to BREAK the record, and throws for 126, then the record is his no matter what. Doesn't matter if he got sat, if he got injured, or if he decided to retire at half time he still threw for the amount of yards needed to break the record.
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:37 PM   #13
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this is just stupid.
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:41 PM   #14
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I guess I am not privey to the situation here. Is there a dispute as to whether or not he actually threw for X amount of yards? Or are they just upset because he got the record and then sat down? If the guy need (for example) 125 yards to BREAK the record, and throws for 126, then the record is his no matter what. Doesn't matter if he got sat, if he got injured, or if he decided to retire at half time he still threw for the amount of yards needed to break the record.
One of his passes (up for debate) was a lateral - so it counts as a run if they determine he threw it backwards.

Doesn't matter that he sat down.

The "sitting" piece is that they benched him as soon as he broke it so if they do reverse the call he doesn't have enough extra yards to keep the record.
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:42 PM   #15
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stat corrections happen every week. Not sure why everyone is surprised. Just because its one of the NFL golden boys maybe, Not sure why he would be untouchable to the stat correction. It was clearly not a forward pass. I got burned in 2009 by the league taking away a Kurt Warner td and 5 yrds passing 3 days later

Edit BTW same thing happens in baseball when an error is committed and disputed. The league looks at it and will reward or take away a base hit
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:46 PM   #16
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And I agree with others - It's 100% should be counted as a run (as per the NFL rules) - it's 100% not a forward pass.

But I don't think they'll actually correct it
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:58 PM   #17
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Even though I am a Brees fan, that would be ridiculous to reverse that. It would create a lot of controversy. But Brees and Manning have taken the attention away from Dan Marino. Back then, it was harder to complete passes because of interference rules.
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Old 12-31-2013, 02:02 PM   #18
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If it is reversed, then he deserves to lose it. Why beat it by one? Why not crush it?
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Old 12-31-2013, 02:04 PM   #19
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Astounded how just as many people here are acting like this never happens, as people on ESPN making the same comments. This isn't new and it happens after every game. The stats group runs through ever play of every game to make sure that the right players are being awarded the right number of yards, TDs, sacks, tackles, etc. For this play, they'll look where Peyton's feet are in relation to where Decker's feet are so they can determine if it's a forward pass or a lateral run play before awarding the yardage to the two players.

This is why when Brees broke the record, he didn't break it by 1 yard. Instead, he crushed it by around 200 yards. Peyton's going to lose this record because he wasn't smart enough to play 1 drive in the 2nd half to solidify the record. All he needed was 20 or so more yards just to make sure the record would stand. He's not new to the game, he knew they reviewed plays after the games are over to review the stats. He goofed and now he'll pay for it.

And, anyone saying it's the league reviewing it or the league taking the record away from him, don't understand how these things work. There's an outside third party company that reviews the games for the player/game stats called Elias Sports Bureau. They've been doing this for years for the NFL and around 100 years for MLB. It's not new. This is why your fantasy football scores can change as late as Friday.
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If it is reversed, then he deserves to lose it. Why beat it by one? Why not crush it?
I agree with this. When setting a new record and you have more time on the clock why not set it higher? Why only settle for breaking it by one?
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All of Bree's yards were put under a microscope to ensure his yardage was correct, that's why I was a little puzzled that they didn't give Manning one easy pass in the second half to have padding in case something like this was to happen.
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Old 12-31-2013, 02:07 PM   #22
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If he didnt have the record, he would have played the 3rd quarter.

Lets go back and disect every pass Brees threw, we might find descrepancies there too.
They already DID review Bress' passes, right after that Monday Night game ended. Just like they are with Peyton's now.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but didn't. If a holding penalty were called last year on the Ravens, the 49ers would've had one more play and could've had a touchdown to win the Super Bowl. Wanna play that game? It makes every NFL game questionable. Lesson learned: Don't break a record by 1 yard/TD/etc.
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Old 12-31-2013, 02:09 PM   #23
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I lost a fantasy matchup last year after a Big Ben stat correction. It was changed from a TD ass to a backwards pass making it a rushing attempt and taking way the passing TD.

Manning will lose the record if its a backwards pass.
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Manning will lose the record if its a backwards pass.
It's not really up for debate, it's clear as day it was a backwards pass.

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And with that video replay, there goes the record. It's pretty clear, it's a backwards throw, making it a run play.
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