ESPN 30 for 30: Believeland

[Brobocop]

Did anyone catch this last night? I planned on watching it but had to tune in to UFC to see if Cleveland-native Stipe Miocic could bring home the gold. How ironic that he did only a few hours after Believeland aired?

The special itself was amazing. I hope it shows the world that the fans here are truly among the best. I thought it portrayed the city and the people in a good, positive light.

Worst part, David Modell (Art Modell's son) saying, "The real reality of Cleveland being without their football team, the Cleveland Browns, was a scant four or five months, and then the waiting period for the stadium to be built." David Modell says. "So in reality, the Cleveland Browns never moved. It paused for a period of time."

[sonnyday]

I enjoyed it.. interesting how they try and assimilate the economy to sports winning. Earnest Byners interview was great. David Modell is a tool.

[88horsepower]

Did anyone catch this last night? I planned on watching it but had to tune in to UFC to see if Cleveland-native Stipe Miocic could bring home the gold. How ironic that he did only a few hours after Believeland aired?

The special itself was amazing. I hope it shows the world that the fans here are truly among the best. I thought it portrayed the city and the people in a good, positive light.

Worst part, David Modell (Art Modell's son) saying, "The real reality of Cleveland being without their football team, the Cleveland Browns, was a scant four or five months, and then the waiting period for the stadium to be built." David Modell says. "So in reality, the Cleveland Browns never moved. It paused for a period of time."

Whatever makes David sleep at night.

[asujbl]

It was phenomenal

Made me proud to be a Cleveland guy

Best fans on the planet. Period.

[MasterPattie]

It was phenomenal

Made me proud to be a Cleveland guy

Best fans on the planet. Period.

Detroit fans are the best fans on the planet.

Everyone knows that.

[Brobocop]

Detroit fans are the best fans on the planet.

Everyone knows that.

I don't think there is such a thing as "best" but Detroit has some great fans no doubt.

[quackhead]

Really enjoyed this 30 for 30. Good seeing Marty Ball again.

[moose84]

Always watch these sports docs, this one wasnt bad at all.

[jcardstore]

It was phenomenal

Made me proud to be a Cleveland guy

Best fans on the planet. Period.

Totally agree. Absolutely loved the documentary, seriously started tearing up during a couple of the clips

That being said, I think it was very well done and didn't paint a negative picture of Cleveland like I thought it would.

[JohnRyno]

Is it a available online?

[jcardstore]

Is it a available online?

Yes..

[ajlaxmn]

I'll have to check this out

[gojacks]

I enjoyed it.. Very very nice

[Clarka3]

Is it a available online?

Watch ESPN has it available. so if your internet or cable provider gives access to ESPN 3, you can watch it (that's what i'm doing).


growing up in cleveland (1983 when i was born until 2002 when i left for college in Cincinnati), it hurt reliving the heartache through this doc. I think the nail in the coffin for my Cleveland fandom can be summarized in 3 ways:

1- Indians loss to Miami in the WS, and then the subsequent departures of Manny Ramirez and Jim Thome (two of my favorite guys to watch growing up).

2- Browns moving. This is the big one. I tried to give the new team a chance when they came back, but it wasn't the same. Living in Cincinnati after 3 years of the expansion, I swapped allegiances after that (my stepdad was a big Cincinnati fan anyway so I was always aware of those teams growing up).

3- Cavs stayed in my heart the longest. Partially because Cincinnati doesn't have a basketball team, but my only other team I rooted for was the Mavs and they weren't all that great at the time. I'll always have a soft spot for Mark Price, Terrell Brandon, Larry Nance, Brad Dougherty, Craig Ehlo, and Hot Rod Williams (and his hot sauce aptly named Hot Sauce Williams). But honestly, the Lebron Decision thing really irked me. The fact that he did the entire city dirty like that on national tv, and then how the fans immediately forgave him when he came back... no thanks, bro. You're a scumbag that won't ever be the greatest ever to me because you had to run to another team to be a winner.


watching this thing really dredged up some bad memories if you can't tell, haha. I still to this day hope the Cleveland teams are good (because i'm not a vindictive person).

[Scottish Punk]

I don't think there is such a thing as "best" but Detroit has some great fans no doubt.

I only caught the back end of it. Thought it was good. There is a lot of common threads among Cleveland and Detroit and the fans...

Midwest, Blue Collar, tradition of losing (Browns/Lions in particular), loyalty, etc.. Not to mention the whole Ohio State/UM thing. (even though both of those fan bases suck. ;) )

[ILOVEBEER]

Watch ESPN has it available. so if your internet or cable provider gives access to ESPN 3, you can watch it (that's what i'm doing).


growing up in cleveland (1983 when i was born until 2002 when i left for college in Cincinnati), it hurt reliving the heartache through this doc. I think the nail in the coffin for my Cleveland fandom can be summarized in 3 ways:

1- Indians loss to Miami in the WS, and then the subsequent departures of Manny Ramirez and Jim Thome (two of my favorite guys to watch growing up).

2- Browns moving. This is the big one. I tried to give the new team a chance when they came back, but it wasn't the same. Living in Cincinnati after 3 years of the expansion, I swapped allegiances after that (my stepdad was a big Cincinnati fan anyway so I was always aware of those teams growing up).

3- Cavs stayed in my heart the longest. Partially because Cincinnati doesn't have a basketball team, but my only other team I rooted for was the Mavs and they weren't all that great at the time. I'll always have a soft spot for Mark Price, Terrell Brandon, Larry Nance, Brad Dougherty, Craig Ehlo, and Hot Rod Williams (and his hot sauce aptly named Hot Sauce Williams). But honestly, the Lebron Decision thing really irked me. The fact that he did the entire city dirty like that on national tv, and then how the fans immediately forgave him when he came back... no thanks, bro. You're a scumbag that won't ever be the greatest ever to me because you had to run to another team to be a winner.


watching this thing really dredged up some bad memories if you can't tell, haha. I still to this day hope the Cleveland teams are good (because i'm not a vindictive person).

I lived just outside of Cleveland until I was 26. Watched all the loses to the Broncos, the Shot, Indians losing in1997, Browns being moved. Ive seen Lebron play numerous times even here in Denver. Had he stayed they would have one at least one Championship.

It's a hard luck city. It's dirty, unsafe and at times it seems like no one is downtown after 4pm. Someone will win a Championship soon.

[JohnRyno]

Watch ESPN has it available. so if your internet or cable provider gives access to ESPN 3, you can watch it (that's what i'm doing).


growing up in cleveland (1983 when i was born until 2002 when i left for college in Cincinnati), it hurt reliving the heartache through this doc. I think the nail in the coffin for my Cleveland fandom can be summarized in 3 ways:

1- Indians loss to Miami in the WS, and then the subsequent departures of Manny Ramirez and Jim Thome (two of my favorite guys to watch growing up).

2- Browns moving. This is the big one. I tried to give the new team a chance when they came back, but it wasn't the same. Living in Cincinnati after 3 years of the expansion, I swapped allegiances after that (my stepdad was a big Cincinnati fan anyway so I was always aware of those teams growing up).

3- Cavs stayed in my heart the longest. Partially because Cincinnati doesn't have a basketball team, but my only other team I rooted for was the Mavs and they weren't all that great at the time. I'll always have a soft spot for Mark Price, Terrell Brandon, Larry Nance, Brad Dougherty, Craig Ehlo, and Hot Rod Williams (and his hot sauce aptly named Hot Sauce Williams). But honestly, the Lebron Decision thing really irked me. The fact that he did the entire city dirty like that on national tv, and then how the fans immediately forgave him when he came back... no thanks, bro. You're a scumbag that won't ever be the greatest ever to me because you had to run to another team to be a winner.


watching this thing really dredged up some bad memories if you can't tell, haha. I still to this day hope the Cleveland teams are good (because i'm not a vindictive person).

Thanks Clark. Haven't been back since I settled my grandfather's estate. Never thought I'd actually say I miss Cleveland.

[TASS]

Very well done documentary and as some have previously said it certainly dredged up some bad memories for the Cleveland faithful.

[asujbl]

Very well done documentary and as some have previously said it certainly dredged up some bad memories for the Cleveland faithful.

Meh - no such thing with a true Cleveland fan

We all know what happened. We plug along year after year. That's what the real point of the 30 for 30 was. Cleveland fans haven't, and never will, stop living and dying with their teams

[JohnRyno]

Elway in that 96' AFC Championship...

[JohnRyno]

Byner in that 97' AFC Championship...

[jcardstore]

Meh - no such thing with a true Cleveland fan

We all know what happened. We plug along year after year. That's what the real point of the 30 for 30 was. Cleveland fans haven't, and never will, stop living and dying with their teams

Couldn't have said it any better myself. Will love our teams till the day I die even if I never see a title

[sonnyday]

The only thing the documentary was missing was this epic video:

KVtqZgfFKgQ

[JohnRyno]

It was good, but a doc covering Cleveland sports should make some mention of OSU.

[jcardstore]

It was good, but a doc covering Cleveland sports should make some mention of OSU.

Yea except that Columbus and Cleveland are two totally different cities that pretty much have nothing to do with one another sportswise

[JohnRyno]

Yea except that Columbus and Cleveland are two totally different cities that pretty much have nothing to do with one another sportswise

Clutch geography lesson, Rand McNally.

[xXdirtyjoeXx]

I thought the documentary was too kind to Art Modell. How he went about that move and what he did to the City and it's fans was abhorrent. The documentary tried to gloss this over with David Modell making the statements he did. Go ahead and defend your father's tarnished legacy David, Browns fans already know what a sneaky underhanded pile of crap your father is. My only hope in all this is that Art Modell will never see the HOF.

[ILOVEBEER]

Recorded this and finally got around to watching. Here we are about to add another chapter as the Cavs haven't even showed up in the Finals. As soon as GS came back against OKC, I pretty much knew it was over.

Ernest Byner looked pretty tore about the fumble as did Marty.

[BostonNut]

Meh....was okay.

As a Sox fan I wasn't impressed with how pitiful the Clevelanders came off. I'm sure Cubs fans would agree.

I was disappointed to see the 2007 ALCS left out of it...:(

[Burks]

Strictly speaking baseball, Cleveland had a good run in the 90s.

But as a city....overall....we suck.

[fulltritty]

Strictly speaking baseball, Cleveland had a good run in the 90s.

But as a city....overall....we suck.

Their hot dogs at the ballpark suck too. :(

[95jeffcat]

Their hot dogs at the ballpark suck too. :(

that's why they have so many $1 dog nights. to get rid of their inventory

[Boo]

Their hot dogs at the ballpark suck too. :(

I would think that pig lips and aholes would suck almost anywhere.

[sonnyday]

Their hot dogs at the ballpark suck too. :(

But our stadium mustard is the bomb.

[Clarka3]

But our stadium mustard is the bomb.

i hate mustard, but i still have to buy some to ship out to my dad every so often. apparently there is nothing like it.

[jcardstore]

Clutch geography lesson, Rand McNally.

Make a dumb statement, get a dumb response.

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

Yea except that Columbus and Cleveland are two totally different cities that pretty much have nothing to do with one another sportswise

This x1000

[fulltritty]

I would think that pig lips and aholes would suck almost anywhere.

Obviously you have never eaten a Nathan's Hot Dog. :)!

[ILOVEBEER]

It's over!

[jdandns]

Congrats to Clevelanders everywhere!

[Clarka3]

now they can start the misery back up when Lebron says "I did it, now i'm taking my talents to LA to play with my best buddies" :p

[jdandns]

Haha, I have the sense that the next time he leaves, there won't be any press conferences to announce it. Besides, the joy of this one should last them a long, long time, considering what they had to come back from to get it, and who against.

[Clarka3]

Haha, I have the sense that the next time he leaves, there won't be any press conferences to announce it. Besides, the joy of this one should last them a long, long time, considering what they had to come back from to get it, and who against.

i think that was the gutwrenching thing about the last time he left. that Decision special was just disrespectful. hopefully when he does decide to leave next time he has more sense.

[ILOVEBEER]

i think that was the gutwrenching thing about the last time he left. that Decision special was just disrespectful. hopefully when he does decide to leave next time he has more sense.

I don't think he leaves. He's a legend in Cleveland now and will probably retire a Cavalier. There's not much more to do but win 3 more and that will be tough anywhere. Cavs will be the team to play for. Lebron, Kyrie, .....?

[ntgm37]

I don't think he leaves. He's a legend in Cleveland now and will probably retire a Cavalier. There's not much more to do but win 3 more and that will be tough anywhere. Cavs will be the team to play for. Lebron, Kyrie, .....?

If he stays in the East, they will be a lock for the finals for the next 5 years. If the Cavs played in the west, they would be the 4th best team.

[jcardstore]

If he stays in the East, they will be a lock for the finals for the next 5 years. If the Cavs played in the west, they would be the 4th best team.

Cavs are the best team in both conferences until someone beats them in the finals and there is no way you could argue differently.

The drought is over. I have never seen more grown men cry in my life. We deserved this title

[hairysasquatch]

Will there be an identity crisis in Cleveland now?

[ILOVEBEER]

The infamous Browns QB jersey is being retired.

[ntgm37]

Cavs are the best team in both conferences until someone beats them in the finals and there is no way you could argue differently.

The drought is over. I have never seen more grown men cry in my life. We deserved this title

After reading your posts, I wouldn't try. I would have better luck arguing with a brick wall.

[jcardstore]

After reading your posts, I wouldn't try. I would have better luck arguing with a brick wall.

No, you wouldn't try because you can't argue that ring playa.

[Pearce77]

I'm having my brother in law pick me up a few front page newspapers from Monday.

[ILOVEBEER]

I'm having my brother in law pick me up a few front page newspapers from Monday.

I've got a Plain Dealer on the way. Dick's has free shipping on Cavs gear. No minimum.

[jcardstore]

I've got a Plain Dealer on the way. Dick's has free shipping on Cavs gear. No minimum.

You should have seen the lines Sunday night. They stayed open late and you would think it was the apocalypse the way people were running around.

I also got one of the "Believe It" Plain Dealers

[sonnyday]

I went every gas station and grocery store within a 5 mile radius of my house Monday Morning. Started at 6:45 AM and all places were sold out of the plain dealer. They said some guy came in and bought them all.

Thats scummy if you ask me...buying newspapers to sell for a profit when we have waited so long for this moment.

I had to resort to Ebay and buy one for $15. Thing better arrive in mint condition per his description or i am complaining.

[jcardstore]

I went every gas station and grocery store within a 5 mile radius of my house Monday Morning. Started at 6:45 AM and all places were sold out of the plain dealer. They said some guy came in and bought them all.

Thats scummy if you ask me...buying newspapers to sell for a profit when we have waited so long for this moment.

I had to resort to Ebay and buy one for $15. Thing better arrive in mint condition per his description or i am complaining.

Unfortunately I had to do the same thing but I couldn't pass it up. I have the "Decision" plain dealer and the "Return" as well I had to add this to the mix.

[Brobocop]

This makes me so unbelievably happy. ESPN 30 for 30 is going to redo the ending in the wake of the Cavs victory.

ESPN's 'Believeland' gets new ending, will re-air June 30 | cleveland.com (http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/06/espns_believeland_gets_new_end.html)

[mrmojorisin71]

Good for the cavs and Cleveland. On a funny note my wife watch the celebrations in Cleveland and said that they didn't seem that overtly pumped like they did when she lived in San Antonio and the Spurs won their first, I then replied, they have the Cleveland Browns. She was like ohhhhhhhh.

[xplainer]

I have to say, I glad to see no riots and such.
Good for you Cleveland.
You won the NBA and the Calder Cup (AHL) in 2016.
Now, focus on the two major sports in America.
NFL and MLB.

[ILOVEBEER]

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[Clarka3]

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speaking of people sitting in random places for this celebration, i saw one posted to my feed on facebook that I can't find anymore where people are standing between outcroppings on a building by just shoving their legs to each side to hold themselves up... i'll see if i can find it

[Clarka3]

here it is. crazy

[ILOVEBEER]

I'm so pumped for the World Series. Cubs/Dodgers, it doesn't matter. Indians look great.

[Brobocop]

I cannot believe we sit here today and could be looking at another World Championship for Cleveland! We've watched many teams celebrate titles on our court over the years. This year we saw Miocic win the UFC title in Brazil, the Cavs win in Oakland, and now, possibly the Indians win in Chicago.

[sonnyday]

I cannot believe we sit here today and could be looking at another World Championship for Cleveland! We've watched many teams celebrate titles on our court over the years. This year we saw Miocic win the UFC title in Brazil, the Cavs win in Oakland, and now, possibly the Indians win in Chicago.

Slept about 4 hours last night, been kind of pacing, trying to find things to do all day to keep my mind off the game tonight. Nervous wreck. I was ectactic when the Cavs won. But in MY OPINION. The sports hierarchy in Cleveland is Browns #1, Indians #2, and Cavs #3.

If the lonely Cleveland Indians win tonight I will probably cry like a little baby for days.

For the record. If the Browns ever won the super bowl. I think the city would burn a fiery death in pure joy.

[Thinking]

Slept about 4 hours last night, been kind of pacing, trying to find things to do all day to keep my mind off the game tonight. Nervous wreck. I was ectactic when the Cavs won. But in MY OPINION. The sports hierarchy in Cleveland is Browns #1, Indians #2, and Cavs #3.

If the lonely Cleveland Indians win tonight I will probably cry like a little baby for days.

For the record. If the Browns ever won the super bowl. I think the city would burn a fiery death in pure joy.

Don't have the burn the whole city -- they can just light the river on fire again.

[ILOVEBEER]

Slept about 4 hours last night, been kind of pacing, trying to find things to do all day to keep my mind off the game tonight. Nervous wreck. I was ectactic when the Cavs won. But in MY OPINION. The sports hierarchy in Cleveland is Browns #1, Indians #2, and Cavs #3.

If the lonely Cleveland Indians win tonight I will probably cry like a little baby for days.

For the record. If the Browns ever won the super bowl. I think the city would burn a fiery death in pure joy.

Yeah, Cavs winning was fun, but there's still some emptiness. Browns could win one day. They'll have to wait for New England, Pittsburgh and any other team to start sucking. Browns can't go anywhere but up.

Tonight seemed to good to be true. We had to go through seven games for the Cavs. Cubs want it just as bad. Probably be another Game 7. That's fine, we complain when they suck, we should be happy that they are even competing!

[jcardstore]

Don't have the burn the whole city -- they can just light the river on fire again.

congrats for regurgitating the most over used Cleveland joke of all time :)!

[RollTribe]

Don't have the burn the whole city -- they can just light the river on fire again.

Hilarious AND original!

[Thinking]

Hilarious AND original!

Thanks!

[ILOVEBEER]

Sitting here, enjoying a few IPAs and game 7 of the NBA Finals is being replayed on NBATV. Undoubtedly this was the best year for Cleveland sports. I'm still angry about the World Series, but it was fun and the Tribe looks better already.

I tried watching Cavs vs Warriors on Xmas but kept getting sidetracked. It couldn't have ended any better. Can't see the Cavs not making the Finals again. Have tickets to see them in Denver in March and can't wait to see all the Cavs fans.

Browns? If you watched the locker room videos from last week's win, this team has pride. It will take a few years, but I'll still stand behind them.

And let's not forget the Buckeyes! It's not Cleveland, but who cares, it's Ohio.

[ILOVEBEER]

Welp, we're back at it again. Another Championship series. I'm actually heading to Ohio in two weeks. It would be amazing to see the Cavs win it all while I'm there.

GS looks tough, but then I think about Kyrie's late 3 last year and how obsessed Lebron is with his game. Cavs can win it, no doubt.

[ILOVEBEER]

D Wade! Indians in the Playoffs again!

Seems like Cleveland can have only one good sports team at a time. Indians were playing so-so until the Cavs season ended, then picked it up. Baseball ends, Basketball starts, Browns destined for failure.

[duwal]

D Wade! Indians in the Playoffs again!

Seems like Cleveland can have only one good sports team at a time. Indians were playing so-so until the Cavs season ended, then picked it up. Baseball ends, Basketball starts, Browns destined for failure.


That goes with nearly all cities though. The last time a city has had two sports franchises with a championship the same year was 2009 with the Pittsburgh Steelers and Penguins. Before that was 2004 with the Boston Red Sox andNew England Patriots, before that you have to go back to 1988 with the Dodgers and Lakers

[ILOVEBEER]

Back to the Finals once again!

G O A T

[BostonNut]

Back to the Finals once again!

G O A T

...on the back of Terry Rozier...:doh:

[CC71]

Back to the Finals once again!

G O A T

4 more finals losses for legoat