The biggest modern day card in baseball just got listed

[razorsharp]

And there it is. Wow

2009 Bowman Chrome Draft Mike Trout 1st RC Superfractor Auto 1 1 BGS 9 Auto 10 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Bowman-Chrome-Draft-MIKE-TROUT-1st-RC-Superfractor-AUTO-1-1-BGS-9-AUTO-10-/401140342773?hash=item5d65d3dff5:g:SgAAAOSwzJ5XaGqp&autorefresh=true)

[D3A3L3E3]

Added to my watchlist, purely for entertainment value.

[preakness]

Going to want minimum 4 figures

[whitesoxfan3579]

No way this sells on the bay.

[Sushiyoshi]

$500 for shipping LOL

[DOUGSEVIER54]

Holy moly!!

[Big35Hurt]

It's shipping from Taiwan. Does this raise any red flags for others besides me?

[Skipscards]

Are you sure? I thought this was the biggest modern day card...

Baseball Signed Card Hector Villanueva Cubs | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Baseball-Signed-Card-Hector-Villanueva-Cubs-/301991419531?hash=item4650175e8b:g:yNgAAOSwM4xXaE8n)

[sickmantz]

That's an ugly super.

[Hollywood42]

No doubt the biggest/most iconic modern card in the hobby today, top 5 at the very least. But man is that not a nice looking super

Also, $500 from shipping? Even from Taiwan and with a ton of insurance, that's crazy...

[Big35Hurt]

Maybe the shipping includes the delivery driver getting a swab of your DNA, a blood sample, a urine sample, and a notarized receipt.

[enbambam6986]

Do you really think a potential buyer cares about $500 shipping?

At least for $500 he knows what he's getting. People on here drop $500 on cases and receive sheeeeet

[whitesoxfan3579]

Maybe the shipping includes the delivery driver getting a swab of your DNA, a blood sample, a urine sample, and a notarized receipt.

LOL.

As an aside, if someone is going to pay that much for a card then that person should make arrangements to pick up the card in person.

[patrickdouglas]

I think the red /5 below it is nicer IMO

[metsandweezer]

Over/Under 15 page thread?


Sick card.

[StlScott]

500,000? Really? I cant see anywhere near that much.

[Hollywood42]

Anyone thinking Prospect Rush 2.0?

[StlScott]

LOL.

As an aside, if someone is going to pay that much for a card then that person should make arrangements to pick up the card in person.

I am way too paranoid. I would be afraid of getting robbed and or shot.

[peterose4hof]

Does anyone know what was paid for this card previously?

[bravezfan4life]

lol harper superfractor would sell for more

[wood minis]

yawn...

[WJCIII]

Going to want minimum 4 figures

I think you meant to say 5 figures. No way that card goes in the single digit thousands.

[Big35Hurt]

I am way too paranoid. I would be afraid of getting robbed and or shot.

Just tell them you know karate and seven other Japanese words. You'll be fine.

[bobthewondercat]

I wouldn't be shocked if this legit sold for 6 figures


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[Bob Loblaw]

If I'm dropping $50k plus on a card, you better believe someone is getting on a plane -- whether it's me, going to get it, or the seller coming to me, I am not trusting any parcel service with it.

[texmcpherson]

500,000? Really? I cant see anywhere near that much.

Seller is getting paid. /thread

One of the most iconic modern day cards. With as many people that are seriously interested it only takes one to pay the price. Who knows once this is sold you might never see it again.

[jarrodsalas]

I am way too paranoid. I would be afraid of getting robbed and or shot.

A lot of cities have "safe spots" for transactions done face to face initiated through the internet. Me?...I would just meet in front of the police station.:D

[itsaboutcards]

Told you guys the card was safe in Taiwan when I posted about it before. A whole bunch of members on blowout called BS and said its in the states. Haha the irony.

The card is real!!


This guy selling is a top collector in Taiwan. He is a member at my local card shop and we bust a lot of wax together.

I am sure the winning bidder will be flying into taiwan to pick this bad boy up. :)!

The seller sold his red /5 a few months back if you recall.

Guys this card is the card to have and its for a select few who to fight over it.

Good luck to the winning bidder.

[itsaboutcards]

A lot of cities have "safe spots" for transactions done face to face initiated through the internet. Me?...I would just meet in front of the police station.:D

You can meet inside the bank and do a cash transaction, the bank counts the money if it's in cash and verified for you before you hand over the card. I have done several large deals this way, best way to make sure the cash is real and you have someone on a million cameras and there phone number and email details Etc.

[hychang5]

Just tell them you know karate and seven other Japanese words. You'll be fine.

Taiwan .... Japanese words .... Ugh

[Big35Hurt]

Taiwan .... Japanese words .... Ugh

I guess you didn't see the ways of my joke. :(

[patrickdouglas]

On a side note can u think of pulling that and sending it in and waiting jesus the pressure.

[LCM1223]

I wouldn't be shocked if this legit sold for 6 figures


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Any less than the Bryant would be a tragedy

[Big35Hurt]

On a side note can u think of pulling that and sending it in and waiting jesus the pressure.

I would be afraid to even try to slip it into a toploader or any other card protector. I think my hands would be shaking so much that I would probably drop it and ding a corner or two.

[callou2131]

Id resub it to bgs

[rainbowkiller]

I'm not impressed, maybe because I'm not crazy into prospects, so I'd prefer 2011 Trout supers over 2009 supers.

To me, it would be more fun to buy it, put it in a paper shredder and trade the shavings to a bunch of people instead of owning it!

[devo]

Pshhh. I've wiped my ass with nicer cards than that.

In all seriousness though, that's an ugly super.

[devo]

Id resub it to bgs

This right here. I'd send it Parcel Post.

[rainbowkiller]

Id resub it to bgs


If Topps can't put the effort out to make a set of cards with a print run of just one - ya know, 1/1s or superfractors - gem mint or better, they're completely incompetent and/or are working with the grading companies.

I don't think anyone here thinks they're that incompetent.

[lakesidez]

lol harper superfractor would sell for more

Anyone know where this bad boy is hiding? Guessing a high end collector's PC.

[Natitude]

I wish superfractors had actual gold in them or something, lol.

[Twinsfan33]

This will be fun to watch. We should all pool our money together to buy it! We could all own the Trout Super! :D

[patrickdouglas]

Pshhh. I've wiped my ass with nicer cards than that.

In all seriousness though, that's an ugly super.

Haha thats funny

[mfisher27]

True but at the time it was graded it wasn't worth anywhere near this amount. It was graded I'm February of 2011, 5 months before his MLB debut.

Heck, even flying out there and picking it up in person I'd be nervous on the flight back knowing that's in your carry on or personal bag.

I would be afraid to even try to slip it into a toploader or any other card protector. I think my hands would be shaking so much that I would probably drop it and ding a corner or two.

[Melagoo]

Wonder what this card started oh as in 2009 ... couple of hundred?

[Syndygaard]

Wonder what this card started oh as in 2009 ... couple of hundred?

Waaaaay more than that. I remember a kid thinking about buying a raw gold auto in White Plains for around $300-350 and this was in March, before the 2010 season even started.

[gradedeflator]

I am glad I can say I've seen this card!

[texmcpherson]

This will be fun to watch. We should all pool our money together to buy it! We could all own the Trout Super! :D

I'll take the weekends. :)

It can get swapped around like a kid with divorced parents.

[Splendid]

It's shipping from Taiwan. Does this raise any red flags for others besides me?

Here's what I know for a FACT..... That specific card is owned by a well known collector from Marin County, CA. This is not a big secret among high-end dealers. My guess is that this seller is somehow brokering this card for its true owner.... But who really knows? I certainly wouldn't trust it.... It just doesn't make sense.

As far as value...... Not even a year ago, this card was offered @ $150,000 with no takers. That should speak volumes.

[Splendid]

Told you guys the card was safe in Taiwan when I posted about it before. A whole bunch of members on blowout called BS and said its in the states. Haha the irony.

The card is real!!


This guy selling is a top collector in Taiwan. He is a member at my local card shop and we bust a lot of wax together.

I am sure the winning bidder will be flying into taiwan to pick this bad boy up. :)!

The seller sold his red /5 a few months back if you recall.

Guys this card is the card to have and its for a select few who to fight over it.

Good luck to the winning bidder.

Yeah....? Well ask your friend to post some live images and post them here.... What could it possibly hurt? If anything it would generate more exposure/interest. Did he recently(last 8-12 mos.) buy the card...? If so, from who....?

[cowboyzqna]

So nice! If I had millions. Let's say my net worth was ten million... I'd pay 150k for that card.

I might be in the minority but I actually t hi nk it's a great looking cars for sure.

Want it. Stoopid money. I should have stayed in school! :( (:D)

[patrickdouglas]

I'll take the weekends. :)

It can get swapped around like a kid with divorced parents.

lmao! i can take Tuesdays that way i can take it to bingo with me.

[notoriousrmb]

Here's what I know for a FACT..... That specific card is owned by a well known collector from Marin County, CA. This is not a big secret among high-end dealers. My guess is that this seller is somehow brokering this card for its true owner.... But who really knows? I certainly wouldn't trust it.... It just doesn't make sense.


Told you guys the card was safe in Taiwan when I posted about it before. A whole bunch of members on blowout called BS and said its in the states. Haha the irony.

The card is real!!

This guy selling is a top collector in Taiwan. He is a member at my local card shop and we bust a lot of wax together.

I am sure the winning bidder will be flying into taiwan to pick this bad boy up. :)!


Hmmm....people know a lot of conflicting facts here.

[bigtentickets]

Never really read much into the skills on the back but it notes "Recently started switch-hitting" I wonder how well Trout did hitting LH. Would love to see a reporter ask him about his LH hitting ability.

[The Accountant]

That is insane! NEVER would I pay that much for a card...sorry. I think I'd be content with a base version lol

[houstonrules51]

Anyone know where this bad boy is hiding? Guessing a high end collector's PC.

Nope, it's owned by my local LCS owner. His shop (although prior owner) actually had that and the non auto super of Harper pulled.

[TrueNE_09]

Going to want minimum 4 figures

I believe you meant to say 5. If not 6. Right?

4?

[possom813]

Nope, it's owned by my local LCS owner. His shop (although prior owner) actually had that and the non auto super of Harper pulled.

I forget the name of the shop, but didn't they pull both supers from cases that were opened only a short time apart...maybe a couple of months or so.

[mcgoo2]

I believe you meant to say 5. If not 6. Right?

4?

Preakness isn't wrong. I'd imagine it will go for for nothing less than four figures

[norskarv]

Preakness isn't wrong. I'd imagine it will go for for nothing less than four figures

Uh... the highest four-figure dollar value is $9,999. Really?

[chezball]

My sources tell me, if you go there you'll leave with no money, no card and one less kidney.

[MonkeyArm]

Uh... the highest four-figure dollar value is $9,999. Really?

It's just worded funny...nothing less than four figures is a minimum ($1,000) which still leaves room for 5 or 6 or 7 figures, rather than indicating a maximum ("not more than four figures").

[Bambam612]

Someone offer $1000, I want to know if they will counter offer it or flat out decline it lol



-Kyle

[houstonrules51]

:doh:I forget the name of the shop, but didn't they pull both supers from cases that were opened only a short time apart...maybe a couple of months or so.

Yes, it's D&P Sportscards in Sacramento.

[JWBlue]

Some people have money to burn. $200K is not out of the queston.

[no10pin]

Someone offer $1000, I want to know if they will counter offer it or flat out decline it lol



-Kyle

You appear to have an Ebay account.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Some people have money to burn. $200K is not out of the queston.

This. You have no idea how many Silicon Valley execs and venture capitalists could buy that without blinking an eye. If they are huge fans, or think it might appreciate (or both), price is not even a consideration.

If you watch Jay Leno's garage, you realize how rich people can just buy stuff for fun, and the next thing you know, they just made another boatload of money. They showed a McLaren that he bought in the mid-90's. He paid $970,000 for it, and it was appraised on the show at $12 Million. I'm actually surprised the Trout hasn't sold yet.

[patrickdouglas]

Still not sold i am shocked

[rainbowkiller]

This. You have no idea how many Silicon Valley execs and venture capitalists could buy that without blinking an eye. If they are huge fans, or think it might appreciate (or both), price is not even a consideration.

If you watch Jay Leno's garage, you realize how rich people can just buy stuff for fun, and the next thing you know, they just made another boatload of money. They showed a McLaren that he bought in the mid-90's. He paid $970,000 for it, and it was appraised on the show at $12 Million. I'm actually surprised the Trout hasn't sold yet.

Yup, the people with real money aren't buying modern cards.

[altaeria]

At what point is it actually cheaper
to buy the entire Panini company
and guarantee possession of all
future official 1/1s for yourself?

[ninjacookies]

Easily the best card of arguably the best talent of this generation (aka the Lebron of his sport). Barring a potential injury or roid scandal, sky is the limit for the investment potential. Assuming he continues on a stellar career trajectory, 20 years from now that could be like the equivalent of owning a 1/1 Mantle.

[callou2131]

True, but what a huge gamble. Say there is a roid scandal, or he does blow out a knee next month, what would it be worth in 5 years? This isn't an investment, it's a gamble.

[JWBlue]

What would a high grade Mantle RC go for? $500K? We can compare that rarity with this card.

Of course Trout is not Mantle by a long shot. If a rare high grade Mantel RC would go for $500K, then maybe $125K for this is reasonable.

[ninjacookies]

True, but what a huge gamble. Say there is a roid scandal, or he does blow out a knee next month, what would it be worth in 5 years? This isn't an investment, it's a gamble.

Certainly not a risk I would take, but just putting things into perspective. That's why I never hold onto modern day baseball cards, because I know for sure a lot more guys are juicing behind the scenes than most would like to acknowledge. And guys are dropping to injuries left and right, perhaps due to overtraining and the likes which didn't occur as often in earlier generations.

[cyndeeg3]

Just tell them you know karate and seven other Japanese words. You'll be fine. I also recommend a throat punch, that'll stop em!

[k13]

Easily the best card of arguably the best talent of this generation (aka the Lebron of his sport). Barring a potential injury or roid scandal, sky is the limit for the investment potential. Assuming he continues on a stellar career trajectory, 20 years from now that could be like the equivalent of owning a 1/1 Mantle.

LeBron is easily top 5 player of all time.
Trout would not even Crack top 50 at this pace.

[Orange October]

So did this get listed again or what? Or is it just the same listing thats been up for the last 6 months and someone decided to bump all the 6 month old threads?

[6celtics33]

LeBron is easily top 5 player of all time.
Trout would not even Crack top 50 at this pace.

Trout already cracked 40 before his 2nd MVP for mlb all time rank. Lebron easily top 5, lol.

[centereacan06]

LeBron is easily top 5 player of all time.
Trout would not even Crack top 50 at this pace.

I hope you mean Trout would not even crack top 50 right now (which still may be false), because at this pace, he's going to be one of the best players in history.

[hermanotarjeta]

LeBron is easily top 5 player of all time.
Trout would not even Crack top 50 at this pace.

so if lebron is EASILY top 5, then who did he kick out of the top 5?

[LCM1223]

So did this get listed again or what? Or is it just the same listing thats been up for the last 6 months and someone decided to bump all the 6 month old threads?

For some reason someone decided to respond to a 6 month old post...

[caflisch78]

so if lebron is EASILY top 5, then who did he kick out of the top 5?

Lebron carved a new spot for himself. Just like Trout. There is no one like them.

[hermanotarjeta]

Lebron carved a new spot for himself. Just like Trout. There is no one like them.

Sure, right, but who did Lebron push off to get into the top 5. Dems almost fight in' words. Who did you knock off to so easily say he is a top 5 in NBA history. That's a bold claim for someone who had to buy an NBA championship by cherry picking teammates and back stabbing his fans.

[JohnRyno]

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[Skipscards]

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[caflisch78]

Sure, right, but who did Lebron push off to get into the top 5. Dems almost fight in' words. Who did you knock off to so easily say he is a top 5 in NBA history. That's a bold claim for someone who had to buy an NBA championship by cherry picking teammates and back stabbing his fans.

I wasn't aware of the "factual five". I thought it was all subjective. So who are they? Is Kobe top 5? Duncan?? Wilt??? Kareem????

[imbluestreak23]

If I had a net worth at around $2-$3 million (doable 20 years from now), I'd be taking a serious stab at this card if I knew I could grab it in the $125K range.

[babyfaceposey]

Who ever mentioned Lebron in the baseball forum should be executed. Do you guys not realize what goes on in the basketball section?

[seabass97166]

If I had a net worth at around $2-$3 million (doable 20 years from now), I'd be taking a serious stab at this card if I knew I could grab it in the $125K range.

I would auto decline $125k

[markinca]

lol at the dude who said in the other thread that this was a 20-30k card. You could cut off the corners of that card and probably still get that much.

[imbluestreak23]

I would auto decline $125k

That's not my point. People are throwing around the idea that this card based on red sales, this card is worth $100K max.

[Archangel1775]

The potential of Mike Trout being a Top 10 player in MLB history is doable. The price right now is for museum purposes. If I had a high net worth, $220K is worth it.

[jataman2612]

That price is crazy. What gets me is that it says in the description you can pick it up in Taiwan OR the United States?? Is that why the $500 shipping? In case the guy has to buy a plane ticket to fly to the states? I would think if he can afford this card, that he has his own private plane.

[pdxprospect]

I actually would prefer a red, or even orange, gem over this.
I understand rarity, but I feel this cards appearance is bland with a 9.


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[hermanotarjeta]

Who ever mentioned Lebron in the baseball forum should be executed. Do you guys not realize what goes on in the basketball section?

Haha, I was hoping to spread the contagion to the other forums - muhahaha!!

[babyfaceposey]

I actually would prefer a red, or even orange, gem over this.
I understand rarity, but I feel this cards appearance is bland with a 9.


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For the modern collector this card is the holy grail. I would rather have the superfractor BGS 9 over a red, orange, blue, refractor and base autos all graded BGS 9.5/10. Trout is the best player since Ken Griffey Jr and Barry Bonds, hands down. If he continues to stay healthy I think we are seeing one of the greatest players of all time.

[k13]

so if lebron is EASILY top 5, then who did he kick out of the top 5?

Statistically, he will kick everyone out and be #1....

[k13]

I hope you mean Trout would not even crack top 50 right now (which still may be false), because at this pace, he's going to be one of the best players in history.

I forgot ...29 hr 100rbi player is the MVP of the league on one of the worst teams in the league....:doh::doh::doh:

The only thing going for him is he started in the bigs at a young age...
But his peak is so weak and won't get any higher...

This is like averaging 18ppg in the NBA and being the best player in the league.

[Firerunner4]

I forgot ...29 hr 100rbi player is the MVP of the league on one of the worst teams in the league....:doh::doh::doh:

The only thing going for him is he started in the bigs at a young age...
But his peak is so weak and won't get any higher...

This is like averaging 18ppg in the NBA and being the best player in the league.

Your posts kill me, you are so delusional

[cubfan131]

I forgot ...29 hr 100rbi player is the MVP of the league on one of the worst teams in the league....:doh::doh::doh:

The only thing going for him is he started in the bigs at a young age...
But his peak is so weak and won't get any higher...

This is like averaging 18ppg in the NBA and being the best player in the league.

What is this 1950 where we still rate players solely based on HR and RBI?

[psumac]

This is like averaging 18ppg in the NBA and being the best player in the league.

no, this is like averaging 18 points, 12 assists, 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 3 blocks per game.

[sjorgen5]

I forgot ...29 hr 100rbi player is the MVP of the league on one of the worst teams in the league....:doh::doh::doh:

The only thing going for him is he started in the bigs at a young age...
But his peak is so weak and won't get any higher...

This is like averaging 18ppg in the NBA and being the best player in the league.

This is just asinine...

[markinca]

I forgot ...29 hr 100rbi player is the MVP of the league on one of the worst teams in the league....:doh::doh::doh:

The only thing going for him is he started in the bigs at a young age...
But his peak is so weak and won't get any higher...

This is like averaging 18ppg in the NBA and being the best player in the league.

So wait, who DO you consider the best player in the league then? Mark Trumbo? Nolan Arenado? Edwin Encarnacion?

[chezball]

This is just asinine...

Guess you don't frequent the hockey section much. Just another day in the life of k13.

[sjorgen5]

Guess you don't frequent the hockey section much. Just another day in the life of k13.

Not too much (hockey), and am familiar with his stance on Trout, just still amazes me is all...

[bounty37h]

I'm not impressed, maybe because I'm not crazy into prospects, so I'd prefer 2011 Trout supers over 2009 supers.

To me, it would be more fun to buy it, put it in a paper shredder and trade the shavings to a bunch of people instead of owning it!

Don't give em any ideas, next they will be purchasing old cards, shredding them and including shreds as a memorabilia card. Own a piece of the T206Wagner.....

[theflushingmets]

The only thing going for him is he started in the bigs at a young age...
But his peak is so weak and won't get any higher...




this is the single dumbest thing i have ever read on here

he will be 25 next year and already has 168 HR. hes placed 1st or 2nd in MVP voting every year since his first full season.

he stole 30 bases last year, lead the league in walks, runs and OBP (a robust .441)

you, sir, are a moron.

[seabass97166]

he mad because trout has way more HR and RBI than his boy Donaldson (who is 31)

By 31 trout will have 400 HR

[chiefs]

With medicine today it's hard to see anything that will completely take him off the field. I think what makes this card so valuable is how little risk there is. Even if Trout gets hurt every year until the end he is a HOFer. Like if Trout missed the next 5 seasons because of injury, he would still be getting guaranteed contract. Think about Grady Sizemore.

[hermanotarjeta]

Statistically, he will kick everyone out and be #1....

Yeah, it helps that he had a 3 or 4 year head start on most hofers. He wouldn't be quite so close if Jordan or Kareem had 3-4 extra years in the NBA to pad his stats. And when he never wins another championship again, it will definitely hurt his legacy. In no way will he be a definite top 5er. He still needs to kick out at least Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, magic, bird, Kareem, Russell.....

[rats60]

Statistically, he will kick everyone out and be #1....

Which of Wilt Chamberlain's 72 NBA records do you think Lebron will break?

[rats60]

I forgot ...29 hr 100rbi player is the MVP of the league on one of the worst teams in the league....:doh::doh::doh:

The only thing going for him is he started in the bigs at a young age...
But his peak is so weak and won't get any higher...

This is like averaging 18ppg in the NBA and being the best player in the league.

This is funny considering Lebron has led the NBA in PPG once and minutes per game once in his 15 year career and that is it. Lebron has been good in many areas like Trout, but rarely the best.

[hermanotarjeta]

Lebron carved a new spot for himself. Just like Trout. There is no one like them.

The only thing Lebron has carved out is that he is the most self-centered player in the history of the NBA. So in that respect, you are correct. Trout has a teammate that started out pretty similarly to him and if he never wins a world series, his legacy will be of that like dan Marino. Great individual player, not even close to top 5 all time.

[seabass97166]

The only thing Lebron has carved out is that he is the most self-centered player in the history of the NBA. So in that respect, you are correct. Trout has a teammate that started out pretty similarly to him and if he never wins a world series, his legacy will be of that like dan Marino. Great individual player, not even close to top 5 all time.

Did Dan Marino come in top 2 in MVP voting in each of his first 5 years?
Ted Williams and Ty Cobb never won a World Series. They are arguably 2 of the top 5.

[hermanotarjeta]

Did Dan Marino come in top 2 in MVP voting in each of his first 5 years?
Ted Williams and Ty Cobb never won a World Series. They are arguably 2 of the top 5.

Oh I see, trout is going to knock out ted Williams and ty Cobb from being in the top 5 players in MLB history. Yeah, right. So who else is trout going to surpass in the top 5? He's better than Ruth, mays, Aaron, Williams and Cobb. If he is a no brainer top 5, who is he going to kick out?

You homers are such a joke. It's debatable whether or not he will be a better player than Bruce Harper by the end of their careers, and now you are hyping trout up to be the next ted Williams.

I remember when Griffey and Thomas were supposed to rank higher than ted Williams and ty Cobb. You homers are hilarious. You probably thought Tim lincecum was going to be the next cy young, when in reality he was the next Bret saberhagen.

[markinca]

The only thing Lebron has carved out is that he is the most self-centered player in the history of the NBA. So in that respect, you are correct. Trout has a teammate that started out pretty similarly to him and if he never wins a world series, his legacy will be of that like dan Marino. Great individual player, not even close to top 5 all time.

Oh here we go again, comparing a quarterback (who has arguably the largest impact of his team's chances of winning on any given game), with a position player in baseball, who has very little control of his team's outcome.

[seabass97166]

Oh I see, trout is going to knock out ted Williams and ty Cobb from being in the top 5 players in MLB history. Yeah, right. So who else is trout going to surpass in the top 5? He's better than Ruth, mays, Aaron, Williams and Cobb. If he is a no brainer top 5, who is he going to kick out?

You homers are such a joke. It's debatable whether or not he will be a better player than Bruce Harper by the end of their careers, and now you are hyping trout up to be the next ted Williams.

I remember when Griffey and Thomas were supposed to rank higher than ted Williams and ty Cobb. You homers are hilarious. You probably thought Tim lincecum was going to be the next cy young, when in reality he was the next Bret saberhagen.

Personally, I think a top 15-20 GOAT (non pitcher) is doable.
I never said he was a top 5, my point was you don't need a WS title to be one because Ted Williams is the best hitter of all time.

Relax cupcake, Trout will be closer than you think if he doesn't get hurt.

[hermanotarjeta]

Oh here we go again, comparing a quarterback (who has arguably the largest impact of his team's chances of winning on any given game), with a position player in baseball, who has very little control of his team's outcome.

No wonder there are so many baseball players who change teams all the time, they are essentially insignificant towards winning.

The Marino example is simply used to give an example of an athlete who has achieved so many significant individual stats, but who have fallen short of expectations in the championships department. If you don't like using Marino, I'll go back to the Lebron example, a exceptionally talented stats guy who lost an awful large number of finals and had to create a super team to win his first two titles riding wades back.

This argument is done specifically in the context of denouncing those millennials who believe that Lebron and trout are the greatest players in their respective sports of all time.

[markinca]

No wonder there are so many baseball players who change teams all the time, they are essentially insignificant towards winning.

The Marino example is simply used to give an example of an athlete who has achieved so many significant individual stats, but who have fallen short of expectations in the championships department. If you don't like using Marino, I'll go back to the Lebron example, a exceptionally talented stats guy who lost an awful large number of finals and had to create a super team to win his first two titles riding wades back.

This argument is done specifically in the context of denouncing those millennials who believe that Lebron and trout are the greatest players in their respective sports of all time.

This is the baseball forum, so I'll keep this short, but all I have to say to the haters hating on Lebron forming a superteam is that it's pretty unfair he gets derided for forming a team with awesome players, whereas Magic and Bird are seen as 'loyal' because they happened to be fortunate enough to have their superteams built around them.

Lebron carrying that putrid replacement-level '07 Cavaliers team to the Finals is one of the greatest feats in recent NBA history. He stayed with them for 7 seasons, and who was the best player he had to play with? Ilgauskas? Larry Hughes? I honestly couldn't tell you. So he jumps ship to try to get a championship. Who wouldn't, after all he had to go through?

[Hollenbackcards]

Back on topic of the card. I am so proud that my centerpiece card helped produce this eras best prospect cards for all to enjoy :P

[hermanotarjeta]

This is the baseball forum, so I'll keep this short, but all I have to say to the haters hating on Lebron forming a superteam is that it's pretty unfair he gets derided for forming a team with awesome players, whereas Magic and Bird are seen as 'loyal' because they happened to be fortunate enough to have their superteams built around them.

Lebron carrying that putrid replacement-level '07 Cavaliers team to the Finals is one of the greatest feats in recent NBA history. He stayed with them for 7 seasons, and who was the best player he had to play with? Ilgauskas? Larry Hughes? I honestly couldn't tell you. So he jumps ship to try to get a championship. Who wouldn't, after all he had to go through?

I get it. Lebron is a great player. But Allen iverson did something very similar with the sixers against the lakers in the 2001 finals, who were arguably as putrid.

They are both great players, but until Lebron can clearly, indisputably displace someone in the top 5, there is no foundation to claim he is anywhere near being goat. I'll give him clear cut top 15 right now, but nowhere is he undeniably top 5. Fishboy, just to keep this on topic.

[ShadeTree]

Sure, right, but who did Lebron push off to get into the top 5. Dems almost fight in' words. Who did you knock off to so easily say he is a top 5 in NBA history. That's a bold claim for someone who had to buy an NBA championship by cherry picking teammates and back stabbing his fans.

AHHH and there it is, another expert who is blind to the greatness of Lebron James because you don't like him. His haters don't have much to say besides the buying titles and back stabbing his fans lol. Its never hating on his talent just his actions off the court.

I really dontt think its much debatable but I will listen to your opinion.

No real order besides Jordan # 1

Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, LBJ

[bigunitcards]

my cat's breath smells like cat food

[LCM1223]

I still can't get over the fact that one person bumped this 6 month old thread just to reply to one obscure comment that never even had anything to do with the topic in the first place.

[hermanotarjeta]

AHHH and there it is, another expert who is blind to the greatness of Lebron James because you don't like him. His haters don't have much to say besides the buying titles and back stabbing his fans lol. Its never hating on his talent just his actions off the court.

I really dontt think its much debatable but I will listen to your opinion.

No real order besides Jordan # 1

Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, LBJ

I didn't realize there were so many leboob apologists swimming in the same pond as the fishboy homers.

Lebron is a unique talent. His toolbox is incredible and his game is amongst today's best. But he is in no way ready to be defaulted a spot in the top 5. If he never wins another championship again, his legacy is severely hurt. Kobe, Duncan, bird all could easily replace lebonehead on your top 5 list.

Lechoke has some of the most memorable meltdowns in NBA history, that's an all-timer I will grant you.

I'm not a Lebron hater, I respect his game and accomplishments. But I respect the accomplishments of other players significantly more than what he has done so far, and I wouldn't insult them by mentioning lebrick's name amongst them quite yet.

[caflisch78]

You are not a Lebron hater, yet trash talk him in a baseball post and continue to call him names like "Lechoke" and "Lebrick". I can tell you are a big fan....

Lebron brought his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals against the best regular season team of all time! I can see why people hate on him but this feat deserves respect! He's no MJ, but I won't be surprised if he surpasses Kobe when it's all said and done.

[JWBlue]

If Trout becomes a top 10 player of all time, by the end of his career I could see this card being worth $1M.

Someone would be willing to pay it.

[bwalter1]

Oh I see, trout is going to knock out ted Williams and ty Cobb from being in the top 5 players in MLB history. Yeah, right. So who else is trout going to surpass in the top 5? He's better than Ruth, mays, Aaron, Williams and Cobb. If he is a no brainer top 5, who is he going to kick out?

You homers are such a joke. It's debatable whether or not he will be a better player than Bruce Harper by the end of their careers, and now you are hyping trout up to be the next ted Williams.

I remember when Griffey and Thomas were supposed to rank higher than ted Williams and ty Cobb. You homers are hilarious. You probably thought Tim lincecum was going to be the next cy young, when in reality he was the next Bret saberhagen.

He will replace Aaron "IF" (big if) he replaced any of them in my opinion. Look at numbers of them when comparing age and you will see quite a few similarities. Aaron has him on Rbi's but Trout definitely has him on SB. Other than that most stats are close if not placing Trout ahead. Also Hammerin Hank did play 23 seasons so longevity of Trout will be what it breaks down to as it would with anybody else, but Hank had some rough last few years. Also Trout has more MVP's already, just throwing that in there too. Back to Rbi's though, if trout played the same amount of years based off of his average now, he would be right at breaking Hank Aaron's RBI record. He also could drop his Run average from 120 a season to 100 for the same amount of years Aaron played and break Rickey Henderson's Runs Scored Record.

All in all the kid is good, damn good and is setup to break records but nobody can tell the future. He could pull a Barry Sanders and peace out when he still could of went on for several more years.

[itradeerrors]

I love seeing all this Trout hype. Now compare his #'s to Albert Pujols #'s and tell me how good Trout is.LOL Trout is in no way in that league, are Pujols cards million dollar cards?

[enbambam6986]

I love seeing all this Trout hype. Now compare his #'s to Albert Pujols #'s and tell me how good Trout is.LOL Trout is in no way in that league, are Pujols cards million dollar cards?

Through their 24yr old season, Trout has more HRs, Hits, Runs, Walks, and Stolen Bases. Pujols had 7 more RBIs and played on great teams.

[itradeerrors]

Through their 24yr old season, Trout has more HRs, Hits, Runs, Walks, and Stolen Bases. Pujols had 7 more RBIs and played on great teams.

LOL that is funny. Here are the real #'s through their first 6 years. See it is not even close. Trout is a great player but highly overrated.

Pujols Runs 748
Trout Runs 600

Pujols Hits 1159
Trout Hits 917

Pujols 2B 260
Trout 2B 175

Pujols HR 250
Trout HR 168

Pujols RBI 758
Trout RBI 497

See why Pujols was so pissed when they compared Trout and his hype to a real Super Star.

[seabass97166]

what's funny is you calling Trout's 40 games at 19 years old when he hit .220 with 5 HR and 16 RBI a full season.
Nobody is saying he is better than Pujols was.

Both players had one of the best starts in MLB history.

How exactly can you be overrated when you lead the planet in WAR 5 straight years, come 1st or 2nd in MVP voting 5 years in a row. He is doing crap that has never been done.
Trout's accomplishments are in the company of Mantle, Cobb, DiMaggio, Ruth and the all time greats. So how is he highly overrated?
In fact, there have been several articles by the top writers calling him underrated because he is taken for granted. Boring superstar.

Again, not comparing to Pujols, who is obviously one of the best right handed hitters of all time...but lets not forget, Trout has elite speed and plays a premium position in CF.
Truly a game changer in every facet. He can beat you with his bat, his glove, and his legs. Not highly overrated at all.

He has been the best player in MLB the past 5 years with no signs of slowing down. If he continues to improve as he enters his prime, the sky is the limit.

[jstasyk1121]

He will replace Aaron "IF" (big if) he replaced any of them in my opinion. Look at numbers of them when comparing age and you will see quite a few similarities. Aaron has him on Rbi's but Trout definitely has him on SB. Other than that most stats are close if not placing Trout ahead. Also Hammerin Hank did play 23 seasons so longevity of Trout will be what it breaks down to as it would with anybody else, but Hank had some rough last few years. Also Trout has more MVP's already, just throwing that in there too. Back to Rbi's though, if trout played the same amount of years based off of his average now, he would be right at breaking Hank Aaron's RBI record. He also could drop his Run average from 120 a season to 100 for the same amount of years Aaron played and break Rickey Henderson's Runs Scored Record.

All in all the kid is good, damn good and is setup to break records but nobody can tell the future. He could pull a Barry Sanders and peace out when he still could of went on for several more years.

Go look at miggy compared to Hank thru 13 seasons or 14 or whatever...there numbers are shockingly similar...and miggy whIle amazing isn't talked about as replacing anyone in that top tier (I personally think he ends up a top 10 hitter of all time..but feel I'm in minority)...but again...he is mirroring Aaron thru like 14 seasons...trout is only doing it for 5...he needs so many more years to make these comparisons....the kid is awesome...no doubt...but his actual stats/classic stats/old school-traditional...whatever u wanna call it...he isn't all that amazing...he really excels with the WAR/ops+ stuff...but his per162 avg isnt some unseen greatness...not yet atleast...

.300/.400/.550...120r (great) 34hr...99rbi...29sb...

He is really damn good...but outside of the war/top 2 MVP stuff...he isn't really doing anything crazy stat wise...he is good at all of it...but there are alot of guys that were better at most of it (no sb) and for much longer than 5yrs...he needs another 7 or so years just like the last 5 before he should really be compared to the all timers...just my opinion...he is on an amazing run...but 5yrs is far from 12-15+ of excellence...

[k13]

Mike Trout is Jim edmonds minus the great defense.

To even compare him to Bonds, griffey, arod, Pujols, Miggy and all the old greats is a joke.

[ThoseBackPages]

Mike Trout is Jim edmonds minus the great defense.

To even compare him to Bonds, griffey, arod, Pujols, Miggy and all the old greats is a joke.

Oh my.

[itradeerrors]

what's funny is you calling Trout's 40 games at 19 years old when he hit .220 with 5 HR and 16 RBI a full season.
Nobody is saying he is better than Pujols was.

Both players had one of the best starts in MLB history.

How exactly can you be overrated when you lead the planet in WAR 5 straight years, come 1st or 2nd in MVP voting 5 years in a row. He is doing crap that has never been done.
Trout's accomplishments are in the company of Mantle, Cobb, DiMaggio, Ruth and the all time greats. So how is he highly overrated?
In fact, there have been several articles by the top writers calling him underrated because he is taken for granted. Boring superstar.

Again, not comparing to Pujols, who is obviously one of the best right handed hitters of all time...but lets not forget, Trout has elite speed and plays a premium position in CF.
Truly a game changer in every facet. He can beat you with his bat, his glove, and his legs. Not highly overrated at all.

He has been the best player in MLB the past 5 years with no signs of slowing down. If he continues to improve as he enters his prime, the sky is the limit.

OK to be as fair as possible I will compare the first 5 years for Albert Pujols to 6 for Trout so the Plate Appearances are closer. Now to be fair Trout had 130 more plate appearances in this comparison.

Pujols PA 3428 in first 5 years
Trout PA 3558 in first 6 years

Pujols Runs 629
Trout Runs 600

Pujols Hits 982
Trout Hits 917

Pujols 2B 227
Trout 2B 175

Pujols HR 201
Trout HR 168

Pujols RBI 621
Trout RBI 497

So even with 130 more plate appearances he is behind in every category. I never said Trout was a bad player I just said he is over hyped and his cards are insanely overpriced compared to a guy that was much better.

[WillBBC]

All these guys are really good at baseballing.

[chezball]

Mike Trout is Jim edmonds minus the great defense.

To even compare him to Bonds, griffey, arod, Pujols, Miggy and all the old greats is a joke.

Please go back to the hockey section.

[ThoseBackPages]

Mike Trout is Jim edmonds minus the great defense.

To even compare him to Bonds, griffey, arod, Pujols, Miggy and all the old greats is a joke.

Is Trout > McDavid?

[enbambam6986]

If only Trout played during the steroid era....

[ThoseBackPages]

If only Trout played during the steroid era....

wait, he doesn't?

[hermanotarjeta]

If Trout becomes a top 10 player of all time, by the end of his career I could see this card being worth $1M.

Someone would be willing to pay it.

The monopoly money blowout cards message board is alive and well!

[hermanotarjeta]

what's funny is you calling Trout's 40 games at 19 years old when he hit .220 with 5 HR and 16 RBI a full season.
Nobody is saying he is better than Pujols was.

Both players had one of the best starts in MLB history.

How exactly can you be overrated when you lead the planet in WAR 5 straight years, come 1st or 2nd in MVP voting 5 years in a row. He is doing crap that has never been done.
Trout's accomplishments are in the company of Mantle, Cobb, DiMaggio, Ruth and the all time greats. So how is he highly overrated?
In fact, there have been several articles by the top writers calling him underrated because he is taken for granted. Boring superstar.

Again, not comparing to Pujols, who is obviously one of the best right handed hitters of all time...but lets not forget, Trout has elite speed and plays a premium position in CF.
Truly a game changer in every facet. He can beat you with his bat, his glove, and his legs. Not highly overrated at all.

He has been the best player in MLB the past 5 years with no signs of slowing down. If he continues to improve as he enters his prime, the sky is the limit.

Bruce harper can still end up with better career numbers than trout.

[ThoseBackPages]

Bruce harper can still end up with better career numbers than trout.

Disagreed

[bwalter1]

Go look at miggy compared to Hank thru 13 seasons or 14 or whatever...there numbers are shockingly similar...and miggy whIle amazing isn't talked about as replacing anyone in that top tier (I personally think he ends up a top 10 hitter of all time..but feel I'm in minority)...but again...he is mirroring Aaron thru like 14 seasons...trout is only doing it for 5...he needs so many more years to make these comparisons....the kid is awesome...no doubt...but his actual stats/classic stats/old school-traditional...whatever u wanna call it...he isn't all that amazing...he really excels with the WAR/ops+ stuff...but his per162 avg isnt some unseen greatness...not yet atleast...

.300/.400/.550...120r (great) 34hr...99rbi...29sb...

He is really damn good...but outside of the war/top 2 MVP stuff...he isn't really doing anything crazy stat wise...he is good at all of it...but there are alot of guys that were better at most of it (no sb) and for much longer than 5yrs...he needs another 7 or so years just like the last 5 before he should really be compared to the all timers...just my opinion...he is on an amazing run...but 5yrs is far from 12-15+ of excellence...

Trout in my opinion is better all around than Miggy at this point when looking across the board. It is just different comparing them as it is with Trout vs Aaron or anybody. I was just stating that out of the 5 I could see Aaron being the one and then compared his stats. Then again Miggy could statistically be better when all is said and done. As far as Hr Rbi and Avg Miggy is the man. Career batting average is .321. 600 Hr 2000+Rbis and 3000+ hits is something he could easily obtain in 5-6 years, just depends on how his body holds up but that can be said for Trout too. Now if he can contribute still and play the 23 years that Aaron did then watch out.

[caflisch78]

OK to be as fair as possible I will compare the first 5 years for Albert Pujols to 6 for Trout so the Plate Appearances are closer. Now to be fair Trout had 130 more plate appearances in this comparison.

Pujols PA 3428 in first 5 years
Trout PA 3558 in first 6 years

Pujols Runs 629
Trout Runs 600

Pujols Hits 982
Trout Hits 917

Pujols 2B 227
Trout 2B 175

Pujols HR 201
Trout HR 168

Pujols RBI 621
Trout RBI 497

So even with 130 more plate appearances he is behind in every category. I never said Trout was a bad player I just said he is over hyped and his cards are insanely overpriced compared to a guy that was much better.

Where are the walks? Plate appearances... lol

[base set]

numbers numbers numbers

I think it might remain to be seen how much ego gratification and manufactured scarcity will combine for long-term value, on /x rookie cards say post-86 MJ. Not everyone is an Omar Vizquel SuperCollector and gets off more on the value of x. Perhaps the value of the 2011 base RC for Trout points to that.

[jmscoggin]

I've seen some train wreck threads in my time on BO but this one takes the cake.

[sjorgen5]

It was mentioned, but the teams each has played on to start their careers have been very different. The Cardinals won their division 5 of Pujols' first 6 years on the team, averaging 94 wins, going to the NLCS twice, and the WS twice.

The Angels have averaged 85 wins and made it to the ALDS once.

Take whatever opinion you'd like on each player, but both have been incredible.

[Metsfan1121]

Also, MVP is good way to judge relativity to the rest of the league. Pujols played in a higher-scoring time than Trout is.

Pujols through his first five seasons finished
4
2
2
3
1

Trout, who was a full year younger for those five seasons, finished:
2
2
1
2
1


Trout has finished top 2 five times in five seasons. Pujols did 7 times in sixteen seasons.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Also, MVP is good way to judge relativity to the rest of the league. Pujols played in a higher-scoring time than Trout is.

Pujols through his first five seasons finished
4
2
2
3
1

Trout, who was a full year younger for those five seasons, finished:
2
2
1
2
1


Trout has finished top 2 five times in five seasons. Pujols did 7 times in sixteen seasons.

Unfortunately for Pujols, he was stuck behind Bonds. You could argue that both of them should have had more MVP's in those runs.

Overall this argument is tiring. Trout could be the next Mays/Aaron/Mantle, or he could be the next Ralph Kiner. Or he could be none of those. All I know is baseball is fun to watch right now -- more young stars playing at one time than ever in my lifetime, and maybe ever all time. Just sit back and enjoy!

[markinca]

I've seen some train wreck threads in my time on BO but this one takes the cake.

I don't know what you're talking about. Trout being compared to Jim Edmonds and Dan Marino is totally, completely 100% reasonable. :doh:

[itradeerrors]

I've seen some train wreck threads in my time on BO but this one takes the cake.

Some of us like these train wreck threads. I find it funny beyond belief the $ some think these cards are worth. Especially when in a few years 99.9% of them will be in the bargain bin. I have been apart of this hobby for 30 years of watching the hot potato game with rookies/prospect cards.

For you that don't know the hot potato game it goes like this. Card gets pulled from way over hyped rookie/prospect and sells for decent $, then it changes hands a few times with each person making some cash. Then the player does not live up to the unrealistic expectations and the card tanks in price and the loser gets burnt holding the hot potato. I have never seen 1 single card that this has not happened with. Some take longer than others but it always happens.

The Yasiel Puig threads were awesome. Sure feel sorry for the person who ended up with that hot potato.:)