Not Surprising why this company is now making digital football cards.... SAD

[bedler]

What a sorry excuse for a company on the decline. Maybe their standards is their problem and why they are now making digital football cards which by the way I don't understand why someone would pay for a digital card.... Mind blown on that one.


Hundley 1/1 Chrome Mini Superfractor Auto......

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/bedler/Damaged%20Cards/20160620_191020.jpg (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bedler/media/Damaged%20Cards/20160620_191020.jpg.html)


I asked Topps if they would replace it being the auto is beyond a joke for a 1/1 & this is their reply from management. Maybe management is the reason they are where they are to begin with.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/bedler/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/20160628_100841.jpg (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bedler/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/20160628_100841.jpg.html)

Not like they care but FWIW I made it known my dissatisfaction.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/bedler/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/Screenshot_20160628-101907.png (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bedler/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/Screenshot_20160628-101907.png.html)

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[Nyfancam01]

Dude... not every autograph is going to be a BGS 10. Happens.

Topps is and was always ALOT BETTER than garbage panini.

[Seahawks fan]

This is just like the threads where people complain when they pull a 1/1 and it has a single white patch while the one #d to 99 have a multicolored patch. Again no excuse to have the worst auto on the best card. Sorry man

You could always clean the sig off the sticker and have him resign it at a show/game

[bojesphob]

Could be worse, you could have pulled this auto:
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzc1WDU0MA==/z/C18AAOSwNuxXcPV3/$_1.JPG

[tolrobb]

Could be worse, you could have pulled this auto:
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzc1WDU0MA==/z/C18AAOSwNuxXcPV3/$_1.JPG

especially from a pack of topps chrome!

[bojesphob]

especially from a pack of topps chrome!

Har har. :P guess I should have been more specific and said it could have been that autograph on the card

[chipmaster]

Well the first problem is it's Hundley

The second it's Chrome MINI


I keed I keed


I have the Jordan Reed Prizm Finite Auto RC 1/1 and the auto is ATROCIOUS, you think Panini would actually reissue it? I highly doubt it so I never tried.

[DOUGSEVIER54]

But.... Panini made digital cards starting several years ago... I believe they were called HRX cards or something to the like.

[Nyfancam01]

I have this.... my other standard white un #'d autos are perfect lol this gold 1/1 has a sticker run off...
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t240/nyfancam01/WWE%201%20OF%201%20GOLD/fandangogold1of1au_zpsa4dvjtwf.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/nyfancam01/media/WWE%201%20OF%201%20GOLD/fandangogold1of1au_zpsa4dvjtwf.jpg.html)

[NoleinJax]

Just buy a different cheap Topps Hundley sticker auto and replace. Anyone have experience trying this on a card?

[Gurds]

Dude... not every autograph is going to be a BGS 10. Happens.

Topps is and was always ALOT BETTER than garbage panini.

Panini isn't bad in terms of customer service. The other year I bought a box of Gold Standard basketball at my LCS and ended up pulling a Joel Embiid Patch/Auto /25 and the auto was completely smeared. I emailed Panini with a picture and they told me to mail the card in and they remade the card and had Embiid resign it. They could've just wiped the card clean and slapped a sticker and sent it back to me, but they took care of me.

Now in saying that, the auto on the card in the first post is no where near as bad as what my Embiid was, but I will say that since this is a sticker auto and more than likely is being put on by an actual human, that should have never went on any card. I'm sure they have more stickers of him they could've used.

Both companies need better QA but they do the best they can as things like this sometimes end up being missed.

[Grid]

But.... Panini made digital cards starting several years ago... I believe they were called HRX cards or something to the like.

Just speaking of the HRX cards, that was actually a tangible card. It was a football card with an embedded video screen and not a make believe card that only exists in 1's & 0's online.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mEolJ6n6lQ

They even made them encased in gold and signed versions.

2012 Panini HRX Totally Certified RC Andrew Luck 14k Gold 1 1 Video w USB EXMT | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-HRX-Totally-Certified-RC-Andrew-Luck-14K-Gold-1-1-Video-w-USB-EXMT-/311418744135?nma=true&si=zsOP20%252BIOMtaYHdCfkO%252By1utG4I%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

I'm not saying Panini doesnt make online digital cards, just that the HRX ones from years ago weren't what you think they were.

[hugh]

It's Hundley's fault, blame the right entity

[Siberian13]

I have this.... my other standard white un #'d autos are perfect lol this gold 1/1 has a sticker run off...
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t240/nyfancam01/WWE%201%20OF%201%20GOLD/fandangogold1of1au_zpsa4dvjtwf.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/nyfancam01/media/WWE%201%20OF%201%20GOLD/fandangogold1of1au_zpsa4dvjtwf.jpg.html)

This guy looks like he should be on dancing with the stars :D

[hugh]

Panini isn't bad in terms of customer service. The other year I bought a box of Gold Standard basketball at my LCS and ended up pulling a Joel Embiid Patch/Auto /25 and the auto was completely smeared. I emailed Panini with a picture and they told me to mail the card in and they remade the card and had Embiid resign it. They could've just wiped the card clean and slapped a sticker and sent it back to me, but they took care of me.



I kinda doubt that, they just had some extras already signed with no stamped numbers....then you ask for a replacement and they stamp the new card and send it to you.

[chrisfaceoff]

While the Auto is poor, that doesn't fall on their doorstep.

A player's signature is just that, a signature. Its their personal stamp on a card. Its to blame him for the quality of the piece. Should Topps have chosen a better one, absolutely, but who's to say what was in front of them might not have been any better.

Its a crummy situation, and I would be disappointed too, but I dont think the blame falls on them for this.

[phinzphan1372]

while the penmanship overall sucks and topps response is kinda crappy ... the auto is completely on the sticker .... and ya cant really blame the card company for bad handwriting

[Nyfancam01]

This guy looks like he should be on dancing with the stars :D

They won't allow a PRO dancer like FFFFAAAANNNNDDDDAAAANNNNGGGGOOOOOO

He's too great and would win the whole thing easy

[Siberian13]

They won't allow a PRO dancer like FFFFAAAANNNNDDDDAAAANNNNGGGGOOOOOO

He's too great and would win the whole thing easy

hahaha, but fandango is the perfect name for the show.

[MFaulkCollector]

I would probably side with the initial poster here.... which seems unpopular

If the card was made in the late 90's or early 2000's...... yea whatever.... but the companies now know and understand that the product is pushed by the Super 1/1's and the fantastic 1/1 patch auto's.... they are the driving force to completing the rainbow, and often are the most desirable cards for a player for that entire year. Topps should have quality control on the super auto's, red auto's, and gold auto's (unless the auto's are on card of course).... to put this out with a terrible auto on a sticker is not really okay in my opinion. The reply shows a lack of business sense and/or caring at all about the product.

[IronMonkey415]

That was during the time Hundley had an injured finger. He tried his best.

[hayjumper]

lmao

this is the weakest callout i've seen in some time.


you come across as some privileged brat that is used to getting whatever they want. your world isn't going to end kiddo, or, maybe it is? gosh I hope you recover from this OP.

[Gurds]

I kinda doubt that, they just had some extras already signed with no stamped numbers....then you ask for a replacement and they stamp the new card and send it to you.

maybe, maybe not. I do know it took 3 months for me to get it back and it had the same patch in the card too, so who knows, but either way, the saw how bad the auto was smudged and took care of it for me.

[DalliLlama11]

If this was recent I dont see an issue really. It sucks but they are done with football. They arent going to go back right now. Most people with any Nfl licensing issue are most likely going to get thst generic response.

[xDomePatrolx]

Just wipe it off and make it a "Twitter" sp auto

[majestik101]

What a ridiculous complaint to have OP. So the auto on your superfractor isn't what you wanted. Oh Boo Hoo!

[blevins26]

I can't believe how negative most people are being towards the OP. I looked at a few of his other Chrome autos and this one is terrible! The problem I have isn't with Topps putting this card on there in circulation--let's face it, that card could have sat in a box for years before being opened. It's the fact that, faced with a customer complaint they chose to totally ignore it.

From Topps' standpoint, it's probably like, "What are you going to do, NOT buy 2016 Topps Chrome?" So, I guess that's why they don't g.a.f.

Still, that doesn't make it right.

It's hard to imagine they don't have a Brett Hundley sticker laying around that they could slap on the card and make it right for the customer.

For the record, I pulled a Jordan Shipley 1/1 auto out of 2010 Crown Royale that had a big ding at the top of the card. Panini replaced it no questions asked.

[wheeler281]

Hey I love my digital cards too. Huddle is kick ass. Most i have paid is 400. Sold several for 500

Just buy a different cheap Topps Hundley sticker auto and replace. Anyone have experience trying this on a card?

Yes for customs and it's easy. Hair dryer and razor blade. Go slow. Not very difficult at all

It's Hundley's fault, blame the right entity

Agreed. Can understand ops frustration though. I myself wouldn't expect topps to do anything

[bewareof94]

I can't believe how negative most people are being towards the OP. I looked at a few of his other Chrome autos and this one is terrible! The problem I have isn't with Topps putting this card on there in circulation--let's face it, that card could have sat in a box for years before being opened. It's the fact that, faced with a customer complaint they chose to totally ignore it.

From Topps' standpoint, it's probably like, "What are you going to do, NOT buy 2016 Topps Chrome?" So, I guess that's why they don't g.a.f.

Still, that doesn't make it right.

It's hard to imagine they don't have a Brett Hundley sticker laying around that they could slap on the card and make it right for the customer.

For the record, I pulled a Jordan Shipley 1/1 auto out of 2010 Crown Royale that had a big ding at the top of the card. Panini replaced it no questions asked.

Topps has no obligation and really no reason to go the extra mile and replace the auto sticker on this, especially now that they are no longer making NFL cards. I understand the OP's situation, but playing devil's advocate, if I'm Topps, why would I spend the extra time and money to replace the sticker and/or remake the card (if they're even allowed to now since they no longer have a license to produce NFL cards), especially a 1/1 super that's already worth hundreds.

There has to be some give and take in this hobby with the manufacturers - if they replaced every single card that every single person had some sort of issue with at their own expense, they wouldn't be in business very long.

[blevins26]

Topps has no obligation and really no reason to go the extra mile and replace the auto sticker on this, especially now that they are no longer making NFL cards. I understand the OP's situation, but playing devil's advocate, if I'm Topps, why would I spend the extra time and money to replace the sticker and/or remake the card (if they're even allowed to now since they no longer have a license to produce NFL cards), especially a 1/1 super that's already worth hundreds.

There has to be some give and take in this hobby with the manufacturers - if they replaced every single card that every single person had some sort of issue with at their own expense, they wouldn't be in business very long.

I can see it from that side too. But, how hard is it to be like, "I'm really sorry but the quality of this autograph falls within our policy. For your trouble, here is a $20 coupon code for any order over $50 on the Topps.com website."

Boom. Allows Topps to say they did something AND brings in additional revenue for the company. Sure, OP may have still complained but at least the company TRIED to do something in my example.

[bewareof94]

I can see it from that side too. But, how hard is it to be like, "I'm really sorry but the quality of this autograph falls within our policy. For your trouble, here is a $20 coupon code for any order over $50 on the Topps.com website."

Boom. Allows Topps to say they did something AND brings in additional revenue for the company. Sure, OP may have still complained but at least the company TRIED to do something in my example.

I see what you're saying, but again, in your example, the company incurs some sort of monetary loss only because the consumer complained, which of course would open up Pandora's box for anyone to complain about virtually anything and get something for free from them.

I assume Topps made a business decision at some point that streaky autos are still autos and they will not replace them, and I would venture to guess that since they no longer have a NFL license, that it's more strictly enforced than ever since they are out of that market.

[storm]

They sent me a Michael Floyd topps basic variation auto as a redemption replacement a couple years ago which was fine. Until I saw the 3 hairs under, and sticking out from the sticker. I called and they wanted me to send back so they could replace, 3 weeks later my package came featuring the same card along with a note saying the same quality standards crap.

[Soxrule111]

I'm sorry that the OP got a poor signature on the 1/1, but I do feel people in this "Hobby" feel privileged. (Not directed at you op)

The Companies should not be held responsible for poor signatures from players. Everyone here expects a 9.5/10 on a card, and that's not the norm. People spend more time bitching and complaining online feeling they were cheated on something like condition which is subjective. Corners, Edges, surface can all be damaged from shipping. Topps Packs, UPS Takes it to blowout, Blowout unloads, loads it for a Delivery, UPS Grabs again, takes to their Depot, ships to you. How is Topps Responsible for things that could happen when 10 other people handle the product? As for off center, to me, if they run at 98% centered cards in a print run, that's excellent. To think they should have 100% is crazy. A Machine Breaks, a roller looses, there are so many variables.
I don't know, lost my thought lol. But really, I think Grading is ruining the hobby. People with more income start the trends and make the others pissed when they don't get what is expected.

[Siberian13]

Does it change the value of the card? It's a one of a kind card

[bigsmitt92]

I almost traded for that, but that auto just made me puke. I tinkered with the idea of removing that sticker and replacing it with a different sticker from one of my other hundley sticker auto cards. I know alot of guys made there own custom cards and used sticker autos to make them 1/1 autos, they got the sticker off a card and placed it on the custom, so I know its possible and they looked good.

[bigsmitt92]

i did just see this,

I think he understands that all autos are not going to be a bgs 10 or all patches are not going to be logos or tags....BUT.....when you make a one of one superfractor--which your company uses to sell its iconinc brand and has been a staple in the market for almost 20 years.....I would think that you would have a little better quality control and but this sticker on a refractor auto and stick that plain white patch on a NT 99 not the green #/7s. sometimes I think they have an intern putting on stickers.

I am a contractor, how bout I come paint your house and just slop some paint on, I mean not all paint jobs are going to be pristine and perfact, right.

I'm sorry that the OP got a poor signature on the 1/1, but I do feel people in this "Hobby" feel privileged. (Not directed at you op)

The Companies should not be held responsible for poor signatures from players. Everyone here expects a 9.5/10 on a card, and that's not the norm. People spend more time bitching and complaining online feeling they were cheated on something like condition which is subjective. Corners, Edges, surface can all be damaged from shipping. Topps Packs, UPS Takes it to blowout, Blowout unloads, loads it for a Delivery, UPS Grabs again, takes to their Depot, ships to you. How is Topps Responsible for things that could happen when 10 other people handle the product? As for off center, to me, if they run at 98% centered cards in a print run, that's excellent. To think they should have 100% is crazy. A Machine Breaks, a roller looses, there are so many variables.
I don't know, lost my thought lol. But really, I think Grading is ruining the hobby. People with more income start the trends and make the others pissed when they don't get what is expected.

[chris43]

Could be worse, you could have pulled this auto:
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Nzc1WDU0MA==/z/C18AAOSwNuxXcPV3/$_1.JPG

If the Hundley was my card I would much rather his signature look like this versus the smear and what looks like something spilled all over it.

I also agree that the crappy signatures are due to the player. But Topps is the company paying for those signatures to put in "their" product. They need to be much more strict on what is acceptable.

[Brafcauknid]

Another post making me glad I transitioned to vintage...if I was having to worry about which sticker they slapped on my 1/1 I'd start looking at other hobbies.

[Brafcauknid]

For the record, I pulled a Jordan Shipley 1/1 auto out of 2010 Crown Royale that had a big ding at the top of the card. Panini replaced it no questions asked.

You do realize a damaged card is different than an ugly sig right?

[callou2131]

Is that sticker creased on there or is that just the picture?

[duwal]

I can see it from that side too. But, how hard is it to be like, "I'm really sorry but the quality of this autograph falls within our policy. For your trouble, here is a $20 coupon code for any order over $50 on the Topps.com website."

Boom. Allows Topps to say they did something AND brings in additional revenue for the company. Sure, OP may have still complained but at least the company TRIED to do something in my example.


But that also essentially opens the door for other customers with frivolous complaints in order to try and get something extra out of Topps (or other companies) just because it is their opinion that the card they pull should have seemed or looked better

[DJCollector1]

There are many ways this could have been handled, and it looks as though they went the "lazy way".

The one way that would have been easiest, and cheapest too for all parties..... (I didn't see anyone mention this plainly, so if they did then sorry for overlooking it)
Topps should have just made a deal to send OP a new sticker, and have HIM place it over the top of the old one.
(If OP is Hell bent on rectifying it himself, then he could try and get a sticker off another Hundley card, but that would obviously risk the condition on both)
Seriously, how would that have affected the value?
None at all in my opinion, and then you have a story to go with the card too, it has basically TWO stickers on it.
Its a 1/1, I doubt having a second sticker over the top of the first "bad" one will affect the value.

Topps likely has more stickers laying around.

But as one of the posters alluded to earlier, they may be in a position where they can't (or are under legal advice) to stop tinkering with ANY NFL products. Think about this.
All the years of solid products and what Topps has meant to the NFL (and all cards and sports) and now all of a sudden they are not producing an NFL product anymore.
If this is the case, then expect any and all customer service like this to ultimately dry up completely, at least on NFL cards.
Many people here bash Panini. I'm new to the collecting scene after a 30 years absence, but if what everyone generally thinks of Panini is true, they likely have a LOAD of legal clauses essentially stating to Topps "do NOT mess with any NFL products in ANY way".
I'm not saying the sky is falling, but if I had any Topps NFL-related issues I would be scrambling to get them taken care of as soon as possible and hope for the best.

I agree that everyone is being a little rough towards OP.
I would like to have the card, and if it were mine, I would enjoy it but would at least like it as nice as I could get it.
That card may not ever be worth a ton, but at least lets get what we have and enjoy it to the best price points we can.
Thats how I look at things anyway.

[bigsmitt92]

Another post making me glad I transitioned to vintage...if I was having to worry about which sticker they slapped on my 1/1 I'd start looking at other hobbies.


#trooth

[twisty571]

What a sorry excuse for a company on the decline. Maybe their standards is their problem and why they are now making digital football cards which by the way I don't understand why someone would pay for a digital card.... Mind blown on that one.


Hundley 1/1 Chrome Mini Superfractor Auto......

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/bedler/Damaged%20Cards/20160620_191020.jpg (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bedler/media/Damaged%20Cards/20160620_191020.jpg.html)


I asked Topps if they would replace it being the auto is beyond a joke for a 1/1 & this is their reply from management. Maybe management is the reason they are where they are to begin with.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/bedler/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/20160628_100841.jpg (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bedler/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/20160628_100841.jpg.html)

Not like they care but FWIW I made it known my dissatisfaction.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/bedler/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/Screenshot_20160628-101907.png (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/bedler/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-06/Screenshot_20160628-101907.png.html)

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What is left out here is the question of .....did you pull this card or did you buy it? If you bought it like that and then expect a company to fix it I don't see any fault of the company......it's all you. And truthfully it's not Topps fault Hundley had a crappy sig on that one and when it was time to sticker it up it was just bad luck the Super got a bad roll of dice and got the crappy auto. Topps paid for that auto and used it. It's Hundley's auto not Topps.

[bedler]

What is left out here is the question of .....did you pull this card or did you buy it? If you bought it like that and then expect a company to fix it I don't see any fault of the company......it's all you. And truthfully it's not Topps fault Hundley had a crappy sig on that one and when it was time to sticker it up it was just bad luck the Super got a bad roll of dice and got the crappy auto. Topps paid for that auto and used it. It's Hundley's auto not Topps.
The guy that pulled it was going to mail it in for a replacement so that's a mute point whether I bought it or not.

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[twisty571]

The guy that pulled it was going to mail it in for a replacement so that's a mute point whether I bought it or not.

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Got ya'. It's someone else's card your wanting or buying? Yeah I am not sure... are sticker auto's put on card by hand or are they put on by machine? Not sure on that myself. It just looks like that card got the unlucky order in the making of them and got the crap auto.

[trixstar]

Just buy another sticker auto of his and replace the sticker.

[TheFrenzy]

If you're brave, just buy another Topps sticker auto and replace it.

[DUCKanay]

Panini replaced a crap auto with an ink blot in it for me a while back. I think it was a 1/1 Dr J. I got it from a group break too.

Miles may vary I guess.

[wheeler281]

The guy that pulled it was going to mail it in for a replacement so that's a mute point whether I bought it or not.

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You would like it to be a *moot point but if you bought it like that with dreams of grandeur then you should have made sure they would help you first

[bedler]

Darn auto correct.... I just inquired about it... I was going to get it either way. Minis are trash to begin with but still a 1/1 should never have a sticker auto like that. If they were all like that it's one thing but the idiots that apply the stickers put that on the 1/1. If mgmt said sorry but we don't have a replacement I'd be ok with that but to say it's up to their standards shows where their company has gone.

Most people agree it's BS to pull a 1/1 like that and to blame it on the player signing one of the 500 stickers is idiotic when the player don't put the sticker on the card. If it was my company I'd hold my brand up to high standards and that kinda crap wouldn't happen. If anyone thinks a super is fine with a half a$$ auto then maybe you work at Topps.

Speaking of standards Topps isn't up to my standards because I'm still waiting for my beckham /landry red ink rookie premier auto /5 from 2014 Topps....2 yrs!! Sorry excuse for a company.

Anywho I bought the true on card Hundley chrome super a few days ago and it's not screwed up so it is what it is..... I wanted his top 2 cards and I got em (rpa shield & on card chrome superfractor) so Frick the mini.

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[KevJo]

Did you pull this or purchase it?

Kevin

[MeteoriteGuy]

It appears he purchased it...going by the moot point comment and other phrasing...which absolutely does matter, and is far from moot.

It also makes the OP, completely in the wrong, especially for the social media posting. OP, we are sorry you didn't get the blue cup, but you bought the red cup.

[BlowoutBuzz]

This guy looks like he should be on dancing with the stars :D

That's actually the gimmick, believe it or not.

[cadillac540]

It appears he purchased it...going by the moot point comment and other phrasing...which absolutely does matter, and is far from moot.

It also makes the OP, completely in the wrong, especially for the social media posting. OP, we are sorry you didn't get the blue cup, but you bought the red cup.

Exactly... guy buys a card and then complains about the auto on it... WTF?

[Siberian13]

That's actually the gimmick, believe it or not.

It's the WWE, so anything is believable haha. But based on the outfit, I hope the undertaker throws him off the top of a cage and into an announcers table :D

[KevJo]

It appears he purchased it...going by the moot point comment and other phrasing...which absolutely does matter, and is far from moot.

It also makes the OP, completely in the wrong, especially for the social media posting. OP, we are sorry you didn't get the blue cup, but you bought the red cup.

Exactly... guy buys a card and then complains about the auto on it... WTF?

Thanks guys, this is why I asked him as only the person who originally opened the card is able to claim as damaged. If you buy it knowing that janky Auto is on it, guess what? The card is yours now as is.

Does it suck the Auto is like that? Yeah, bigtime. But it is what it is!

Kevin