2017-2018 Cap Projected to Drop from $107M to $102M

[smalltown]

The NBA’s salary cap projection for the 2017-18 season has dropped from $107 million to $102 million.

In a memo distributed to all 30 teams, which was obtained by Basketball Insiders, the NBA credits a “substantial increase in projected player spending for 2016-17” that will reduce the league’s projected shortfall to the players to $200 million.

Back in April, the league originally expected teams to fall below their proscribed obligation to the players of near 51 percent of Basketball Related Income (BRI) by $375 million.
Still increasing, but not as much as teams previously thought. Interesting to see how some of this years signings affect teams going forward.

For the 2015-16 season, the NBA will pay out an additional $130.9 million to players for falling below the 50.83 percent share of $2.689 billion due to the players – which, by the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), helped push the 2016-17 salary up to $94.1 million.

The NBA now expects teams to spend more this season, with the higher salary cap and luxury tax threshold ($113.3 million). The league also didn’t expect quite as much high-level spending on free agents this July.

A reduced shortfall translates to a lower expected salary cap for 2017-18. The league also projects a tax threshold of $122 million for next year.

The salary cap projects to climb to $108 million in 2018-19, $109 million in 2019-20 and $114 million in 2020-21. The tax threshold is expected to rise to $130 million, $132 million and $139 million, respectively.

[asujbl]

Interesting piece here about how it might hurt the Warriors... not that they care at the moment

Obviously it matters to everyone - but the reason they mention the Warriors is because of the Durant Bird Rights after only one season and the Opt-Out

NBA salary-cap projection for 2017-18 season to be lower than expected (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16859143/nba-salary-cap-projection-2017-18-season-lower-expected)

[smalltown]

Interesting piece here about how it might hurt the Warriors... not that they care at the moment

Obviously it matters to everyone - but the reason they mention the Warriors is because of the Durant Bird Rights after only one season and the Opt-Out

NBA salary-cap projection for 2017-18 season to be lower than expected (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16859143/nba-salary-cap-projection-2017-18-season-lower-expected)

Ya if the Warriors want to resign him they'll likely have over 90M tied up in 4 players. While they can do it depth will start becoming a serious issue even with bird rights.

[auctionjmm]

I've said it a million times this week, but the Big 4 will not be together for very long. Klay Thompson is almost surely on his way out after next season, as I think the team would rather have Durant/Curry/Green as it's core, with a formidable bench around them. Also expect that they won't re-sign Iguodala, nor will they keep Livingston.

I'm sticking to my prediction of NO title this year. The team will be a mess figuring out chemistry while worrying about whose staying and whose going next year. I think next summer is where we really see the "true" team that will come out of all of this. Perhaps dynasty potential from 17-18 on, but next year is gonna be difficult.

[advan24r]

From the looks of it, it may be do-able. Klay and Draymond are locked in for the next 2-3 years at pretty affordable prices. Then consider Curry, Iggy, Durant, there's actually quite alot of space to maneuver. We also don't know how the new rookies will play out and even Looney. Jason Thompson will be off the books too by then. They are only locked in around $34mil by 2017, and with 102mil in cap space.

Golden State Warriors Salaries | HoopsHype (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/)

[asujbl]

From the looks of it, it may be do-able. Klay and Draymond are locked in for the next 2-3 years at pretty affordable prices. Then consider Curry, Iggy, Durant, there's actually quite alot of space to maneuver. We also don't know how the new rookies will play out and even Looney. Jason Thompson will be off the books too by then. They are only locked in around $34mil by 2017, and with 102mil in cap space.

Golden State Warriors Salaries | HoopsHype (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state_warriors/)

Well you have to factor in the cap holds - You'd have to renounce their rights to get to 34 million - and then you lose the ability to go over the cap

So this isn't really the entire picture

[asujbl]

Right now realistically you're looking at this in round numbers - and this is before you have to pay Curry a max deal - this is simply his cap hold. So when you give him the max? You'll need a ton of space to offer Durant because you don't have his full rights

Thompson - 18
Green - 16
McCaw - 1
Curry - 17
Iggy - 17
Livingston - 11

[exitmusicblue]

Talk is way premature/moot !

"It is noteworthy that these projections are based on the current collective bargaining agreement. Both the NBA and the players' union have an option to end the agreement by Dec. 15 and are expected to do so. The sides have been in talks about a new agreement for months and new terms could change all the projections."

Obviously in the coming years Dubs will need to follow a Spurs-like design to keep everyone.

Which I suspect we will. :D

[asujbl]

Talk is way premature/moot !

"It is noteworthy that these projections are based on the current collective bargaining agreement. Both the NBA and the players' union have an option to end the agreement by Dec. 15 and are expected to do so. The sides have been in talks about a new agreement for months and new terms could change all the projections."

EDIT - No need for my smarta** reply as part of this

Of course things can change. The NBA might go on strike in 17-18 if they can't figure out the CBA and Kevin Durant never plays again.

It's early to discuss - doesn't make it irrelevant - and it gives us a basis to discuss the numbers

[exitmusicblue]

EDIT - No need for my smarta** reply as part of this

Of course things can change. The NBA might go on strike in 17-18 if they can't figure out the CBA and Kevin Durant never plays again.

It's early to discuss - doesn't make it irrelevant - and it gives us a basis to discuss the numbers

Yup, and our sun is projected to supernova in several billio... anyways.

No one's saying we can't discuss, just that speculations are what we be discussing.

[asujbl]

Yup, and our sun is projected to supernova in several billio... anyways.

No one's saying we can't discuss, just that speculations are what we be discussing.

And you posted articles for 3 months about Kevin Durant speculations. Those just happened to be "Pro-Warriors"

So do you want to actually discuss how the Warriors probably can't keep this together for more then 1 year because of the potential math? Or do you want to just talk about the fun parts for you guys?

[exitmusicblue]

And you posted articles for 3 months about Kevin Durant speculations. Those just happened to be "Pro-Warriors"

So do you want to actually discuss how the Warriors probably can't keep this together for more then 1 year because of the potential math? Or do you want to just talk about the fun parts for you guys?

Again, discuss merrily on. : ) Just know that wishful thinking is exactly that. Is Dubs management suddenly so stupid as to allow a 5 mil gap to torpedo their grand designs and leave the team gutted?

Dont.

Think.

So.

They already did what most folks deemed ridic and got KD. Adjustments can and will be made again.

[smalltown]

Talk is way premature/moot !

Not at all. Teams were spending based on projected numbers - numbers which the NBA is generally conservative with. Now they're projecting $5M less which isn't catastrophic, but for teams signing players now and eating up cap space 13M vs 8M is quite significant and could impact any further signings and trades this off season as well as deals during the season.

[exitmusicblue]

Not at all. Teams were spending based on projected numbers - numbers which the NBA is generally conservative with. Now they're projecting $5M less which isn't catastrophic, but for teams signing players now and eating up cap space 13M vs 8M is quite significant and could impact any further signings and trades this off season as well as deals during the season.

Agreed...

[asujbl]

Again, discuss merrily on. : ) Just know that wishful thinking is exactly that. Is Dubs management suddenly so stupud as to allow a 5 mil gap to torpedo their grand designs and leave the team gutted?

Dont.

Think.

So.

No... but the 5 million just changed it from a 30 million to a 35 million dollar problem. It didn't change the fact that Durant won't have full Bird Rights with Golden State. It didn't change the cap holds. It didn't change what Curry will potentially get (at least it's immaterial)

If you can convince Curry and/or Durant to not take max deals? More power to you. Assuming you can't? You're going to have a 4 player team with whoever else you can convince to sign for minimum salaries and exceptions if you want to keep Klay/Curry/Durant/Green together.

That's just the numbers. I didn't invent them.

[asujbl]

Not at all. Teams were spending based on projected numbers - numbers which the NBA is generally conservative with. Now they're projecting $5M less which isn't catastrophic, but for teams signing players now and eating up cap space 13M vs 8M is quite significant and could impact any further signings and trades this off season as well as deals during the season.

5 million isn't material necessarily when you are under the cap or you are only signing your own guys... but when you have a Top 3 player in Basketball, without full Bird Rights so you need cap space, that's a rotation player you have to dump to get that 5 million bucks you need... on top of the 30 you already need to come up with. So instead of potentially just losing something like Iguodala and Livingston... you need to lose both plus someone else and/or have someone else (Curry) take less money.

That's why the Warriors were specifically mentioned in the piece.

[exitmusicblue]

No... but the 5 million just changed it from a 30 million to a 35 million dollar problem. It didn't change the fact that Durant won't have full Bird Rights with Golden State. It didn't change the cap holds. It didn't change what Curry will potentially get (at least it's immaterial)

If you can convince Curry and/or Durant to not take max deals? More power to you. Assuming you can't? You're going to have a 4 player team with whoever else you can convince to sign for minimum salaries and exceptions if you want to keep Klay/Curry/Durant/Green together.

That's just the numbers. I didn't invent them.

They signed up for this because it never was about the money. Their endorsements dwarf their contracts.

I know you didn't make up the numbers, but they hardly prove a greater point or make a possibility persuasive under the Dubs' circumstances.

[asujbl]

They signed up for this because it never was about the money. Their endorsements dwarf their contracts.

I know you didn't make up the numbers, but they hardly prove a greater point or make a possibility persuasive under the Dubs' circumstances.

So what kind of FA deals do you realistically think you are going to talk Curry and Durant into? Since you're telling me they both won't get max contracts.

[smalltown]

5 million isn't material necessarily when you are under the cap or you are only signing your own guys... but when you have a Top 3 player in Basketball, without full Bird Rights so you need cap space, that's a rotation player you have to dump to get that 5 million bucks you need... on top of the 30 you already need to come up with. So instead of potentially just losing something like Iguodala and Livingston... you need to lose both plus someone else and/or have someone else (Curry) take less money.

That's why the Warriors were specifically mentioned in the piece.

Problem is 5M isn't really a rotation player any more. As of this off season $10M, $12M, 15M is the rotational starting point.

[asujbl]

Problem is 5M isn't really a rotation player any more. As of this off season $10M, $12M, 15M is the rotational starting point.

Well true... I'm just saying clearing Livingston and Iguodala, as an example, only gets you about 29 million of the 35 you need if you renounce their rights. That extra 5 million matters. That's another body. Whoever that might be.

Obviously I'm using Iggy and Livingston as a hypothetical... and so our resident Warriors fan doesn't freak I'm assuming Curry and Durant both want max deals... if they take less? There are other options of course

[exitmusicblue]

So what kind of FA deals do you realistically think you are going to talk Curry and Durant into? Since you're telling me they both won't get max contracts.

Not for me to PPT on. I do know it would be a shock for white flags to wave and for this to be a one-year one-and-done experiment. Dubs execs WAY greedier than that, we know it, and more capable.

[smalltown]

Well true... I'm just saying clearing Livingston and Iguodala, as an example, only gets you about 29 million of the 35 you need if you renounce their rights. That extra 5 million matters. That's another body. Whoever that might be.

Obviously I'm using Iggy and Livingston as a hypothetical... and so our resident Warriors fan doesn't freak I'm assuming Curry and Durant both want max deals... if they take less? There are other options of course

I know what' you're saying. And i agree completely. Other things to take into account is in the Dubs situation they only have what? 3 guys under contract after next year? Thompson is at 18, Draymond is at 16 resign Steph and Durant at 33 each? That's 100M on four guys? Depth and chemistry most certainly take a dip.

[asujbl]

Not for me to PPT on. I do know it would be a shock for white flags to wave and for this to be a one-year one-and-done experiment. Dubs execs WAY greedier than that, we know it, and more capable.

No one is saying it will be a one and done with the "Big 4" - That's not what I said at any point - what I'm saying is that you're going to lose basically everyone not name Klay/Durant/Green/Curry if those guys both get max deals. Everyone else will have to fit into an exception of league minimum without some super creative moves either via trade or whatever.

The Bird Rights issue is a big issue since you can't go over the cap on Durant

[asujbl]

I know what' you're saying. And i agree completely. Other things to take into account is in the Dubs situation they only have what? 3 guys under contract after next year? Thompson is at 18, Draymond is at 16 resign Steph and Durant at 33 each? That's 100M on four guys? Depth and chemistry most certainly take a dip.

Exactly

Klay/Green/Curry/Durant (to keep full cap space) is 100 million bucks round numbers. Toss in that rookie that has a guaranteed deal (or so it appears) and you're at the cap for all intents and purposes.

So you have minimums and exceptions to fill your roster.

It's an issue. It's not something they can't work around. It still matters. That 5 million is huge for Golden State specifically because of the situation.

[exitmusicblue]

Aye aye, flipside is, I can't imagine either KD or Curry saying blow up the rest of the team we want our max contracts, esp. if they have a successful season. Plenty of less humble superstars have taken alternative routes.

Confident we are in good hands.

[drobfan8]

I can't see GS blowing it all up due to money problems.

Curry will probably happily take $20 - $22 mil per and Durant will take less than $30 mil, maybe $27 mil.

You don't buy in to something like this kind of basketball happiness and then run as soon as you're not the best payed player in the League.

They'll be the favorites to win for the next 4 years at least.

[asujbl]

Aye aye, flipside is, I can't imagine either KD or Curry saying blow up the rest of the team we want our max contracts, esp. if they have a successful season. Plenty of less humble superstars have taken a different route.

Confident we are in good hands.

I'll believe that when it happens. This is their chance to cash in (especially Curry who is the most underpaid person in sports)

[DalliLlama11]

I can't see GS blowing it all up due to money problems.

Curry will probably happily take $20 - $22 mil per and Durant will take less than $30 mil, maybe $27 mil.

You don't buy in to something like this kind of basketball happiness and then run as soon as you're not the best payed player in the League.

They'll be the favorites to win for the next 4 years at least.

2 things that kind of strike me with this. If the Warriors win, what is to keep KD there? He has the opt out and maybe the 1 title is good enough for him so he leaves. That allows them to keep their team aside from KD obviously. 2nd, The fact that its a 2 year with an opt out kind of signifies that he'd want more money. I mean its not 100% but he could have just signed a 2 year deal without the option if he planned on making the exact same next year regardless of them winning/losing.

[asujbl]

I can't see GS blowing it all up due to money problems.

Curry will probably happily take $20 - $22 mil per and Durant will take less than $30 mil, maybe $27 mil.

You don't buy in to something like this kind of basketball happiness and then run as soon as you're not the best payed player in the League.

They'll be the favorites to win for the next 4 years at least.

I don't believe this for one second. You think Curry is going to take 10 million less a season, so leave 50 million on the table, after he's been the most underpaid player on the planet?

Not a chance in hell. These guys have been waiting for the new TV contract to kick in. They aren't "buying into" anything right now. Curry is under contract. Durant left a few bucks on the table but is still almost maxing out right now. They didn't have a choice to take massive hits where they "bought in" to something.

Durant signs a long term deal, thus giving GS future Bird Rights, if he doesn't want to get paid. The one and one basically proves that.

[exitmusicblue]

I'll believe that when it happens. This is their chance to cash in (especially Curry who is the most underpaid person in sports)

I don't believe this for one second. You think Curry is going to take 10 million less a season, so leave 50 million on the table, after he's been the most underpaid player on the planet?

Not a chance in hell. These guys have been waiting for the new TV contract to kick in.

Durant signs a long term deal, thus giving GS future Bird Rights, if he doesn't want to get paid. The one and one basically proves that.

Google Curry endorsement totals, and you will see what a successful team has brought him. 5-10+ mil is Chump Changeeeeeeee to these fellas.

[asujbl]

Google Curry endorsement totals, and you will see what a successful team has brought him. 5-10 mil is Chump Changeeeeeeee to these fellas.

Yeah... it's the same dumb thing everyone says about LeBron... and there he is getting max deals year after year. He might as well take $0.00. He has a billion from Nike. Then the Cavs could sign everyone.

It's cute you think Curry is some massive outlier to real life.

[exitmusicblue]

Yeah... it's the same dumb thing everyone says about LeBron... and there he is getting max deals year after year. He might as well take $0.00. He has a billion from Nike. Then the Cavs could sign everyone.

It's cute you think Curry is some massive outlier to real life.

If Lebron did what Brady did (can't believe I am saying something positive about Deflaty), doubtless his team would look rosier.

Naw, this is the coldly rational route for the Dubs. Sorry...

[exitmusicblue]

Oh, and Wade has 3 rings in large part due to never once being the highest paid guy on his roster. Smart man, I don't think he's second-guessing himself.

[GeechQuest]

I said this before but unless Curry and Durant take massive paycuts next season this team won't work.

Durant- 35% max deal
Curry- 30% max deal
Thomspon & Green- 33% of cap

Total: 98% of the cap for these 4 players

The Warriors have no draft picks for minimum rookie contracts next year. So they will be paying veteran minimum contracts on at least 7 players (they'll retain Patrick McCaw) in the 2017 season. Financially they can't do it.

So if Durant and Curry want to play together and keep the core intact they will need to take massive paycuts as those 4 contracts eat up ALL THE CAP SPACE. Anyone saying that it's guaranteed Durant (and Curry) will take a paycut is naive. Durant didn't take one in signing with the Warriors THIS SEASON, he got max money. He could have taken a paycut this year to sign his upcoming contract and the Warriors could have retained players that were part of the past 2 years championship run.

The only reason they had any room to sign Durant this year is because Curry is currently on a contract that is at a 55% cut of what he should be making. Anyone who think he's going to take another 55% cut is not thinking straight?

Draymond or Thompson will be dealt if the Warriors want to keep Durant and Curry.

[jcardstore]

I said this before but unless Curry and Durant take massive paycuts next season this team won't work.

Durant- 35% max deal
Curry- 30% max deal
Thomspon & Green- 33% of cap

Total: 98% of the cap for these 4 players

The Warriors have no draft picks for minimum rookie contracts next year. So they will be paying veteran minimum contracts on at least 7 players (they'll retain Patrick McCaw) in the 2017 season. Financially they can't do it.

So if Durant and Curry want to play together and keep the core intact they will need to take massive paycuts as those 4 contracts eat up ALL THE CAP SPACE. Anyone saying that it's guaranteed Durant (and Curry) will take a paycut is naive. Durant didn't take one in signing with the Warriors THIS SEASON, he got max money. He could have taken a paycut this year to sign his upcoming contract and the Warriors could have retained players that were part of the past 2 years championship run.

The only reason they had any room to sign Durant this year is because Curry is currently on a contract that is at a 55% cut of what he should be making. Anyone who think he's going to take another 55% cut is not thinking straight?

Draymond or Thompson will be dealt if the Warriors want to keep Durant and Curry.

Take that math and common sense trash elsewhere!!!

[exitmusicblue]

Take that math and common sense trash elsewhere!!!

Let's see what a potential ring or two or three does to the calculus. :D

[jcardstore]

Let's see what a potential ring does to the calculus. :D

I love how you just totally ignore facts. :coffee:

[GeechQuest]

Let's see what a potential ring or two or three does to the calculus. :D

Why did Durant sign a max deal this year with the Warriors? If it was ONLY about championships why didn't he take a lesser contract and help retain a big man (Bogut or Ezeli)?

[exitmusicblue]

I love how you just totally ignore facts. :coffee:

I looove how you believe the Dubs management grand strategy has been devastated by a maybe-baby 5 mil gap and they will have zero answers, the end. :-*

[pingbling23]

crazy to think lebron has never lead the nba in salary, came close last year but kobe still made a little over 2 million more a year. its hilarious looking back over the past couple of years and seeing the names that made more then lebron. as far as wade making less, put it in persepective, he was only 300k less then lebron and bosh during those heat big 3 years. take a look at salaries over the past few years. interesting stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-paid_NBA_players_by_season

[jcardstore]

I looove how you believe the Dubs management grand strategy has been devastated by a maybe-baby 5 mil gap and they will have zero answers, the end. :-*

I don't think that at all, simply commenting on how you conveniently ignore the information that has been presented.

[GeechQuest]

I looove how you believe the Dubs management grand strategy has been devastated by a maybe-baby 5 mil gap and they will have zero answers, the end. :-*

Management does have a grand strategy and it involves dealing Thompson and/or Green.

[exitmusicblue]

Why did Durant sign a max deal this year with the Warriors? If it was ONLY about championships why didn't he take a lesser contract and help retain a big man (Bogut or Ezeli)?

Dubs made it clear they don't like either of them for a multitude of reasons.

Remember, KD stood to make a crap ton more $$ if he stayed with Thunder. He didn't. But Dubs risk not getting him at all if they offer substantially less than any other suitor on top of that.

[jcardstore]

Don't worry, school will be back in like a month or two so it'll die down soon

[exitmusicblue]

Don't worry, school will be back in like a month or two so it'll die down soon

Looks like someone needs to research some new lines in the library :D

[WaiverWire]

Outrage against Warriors. Enter convenient news story about cap estimate dropping, with major caveats (no one knows what CBA terms will be in place in 2017). People are so gullible.

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Outrage against Warriors. Enter convenient news story about cap estimate dropping, with major caveats (no one knows what CBA terms will be in place in 2017). People are so gullible.

I trust the article has gotten 191611819178 reads.

Hook, line, sinker y'all.

[drobfan8]

2 things that kind of strike me with this. If the Warriors win, what is to keep KD there? He has the opt out and maybe the 1 title is good enough for him so he leaves. That allows them to keep their team aside from KD obviously. 2nd, The fact that its a 2 year with an opt out kind of signifies that he'd want more money. I mean its not 100% but he could have just signed a 2 year deal without the option if he planned on making the exact same next year regardless of them winning/losing.

I'd be shocked if KD goes there for one championship, but who knows, maybe.

We all know why he signed a 1 and 1, so they can get longer deals. There was a sense of the unknown about how much the tv money would bring up the cap. Now we know it's $5 mil short.

I think you're clutching at straws. Hoping that it can't work, but Dray and Steph especially seem to be buying in to the sacrifice thing, I haven't seen Klay say anything, I think he is the most likely to leave as he will draw massive interest when he hits the market.

[exitmusicblue]

I'd be shocked if KD goes there for one championship, but who knows, maybe.

We all know why he signed a 1 and 1, so they can get longer deals. There was a sense of the unknown about how much the tv money would bring up the cap. Now we know it's $5 mil short.

I think you're clutching at straws. Hoping that it can't work, but Dray and Steph especially seem to be buying in to the sacrifice thing, I haven't seen Klay say anything, I think he is the most likely to leave as he will draw massive interest when he hits the market.

Agreed, I think Klay is the most mentally vulnerable in terms of results. Rings come, he stays. Otherwise, could be first to go.

[GeechQuest]

Dubs made it clear they don't like either of them for a multitude of reasons.

Remember, KD stood to make a crap ton more $$ if he stayed with Thunder. He didn't. But Dubs risk not getting him at all if they offer substantially less than any other suitor on top of that.

Agreed he would have made more signing a 1-1 contract with the Thunder and then re-upping for 5 years, but he's making the same amount signing a 1 year at 30% with the Warriors as he would have signing a 1 year at 30% with the Thunder. The Thunder could only offer him more in a long-term deal (5 years vs 4 years; 7.5% raises vs 4.5% raises). This one year the money is the same.

Also, if KD "didn't care about the money" why even sign a 1 year deal? We know he signed the 1 year because the cap goes up and he can make MORE next year, so the money was obviously a part of the decision. Signing for 1 year proves that it's about the MONEY, and also the championships.

[drobfan8]

I don't believe this for one second. You think Curry is going to take 10 million less a season, so leave 50 million on the table, after he's been the most underpaid player on the planet?

Not a chance in hell. These guys have been waiting for the new TV contract to kick in. They aren't "buying into" anything right now. Curry is under contract. Durant left a few bucks on the table but is still almost maxing out right now. They didn't have a choice to take massive hits where they "bought in" to something.

Durant signs a long term deal, thus giving GS future Bird Rights, if he doesn't want to get paid. The one and one basically proves that.

Next year I think Steph will sign for less than $25 mil, probably around the $22 mil mark.

Some of you guys are letting your anger get in the way. You're hoping somehow this can't work.

Steph seems to really want to win. To do that you can't let your best players leave, especially not due to money.

They have completely bought in. Next year when Steph and KD are up, we'll see them officially "buy in".

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Agreed he would have made more signing a 1-1 contract with the Thunder and then re-upping for 5 years, but he's making the same amount signing a 1 year at 30% with the Warriors as he would have signing a 1 year at 30% with the Thunder. The Thunder could only offer him more in a long-term deal (5 years vs 4 years; 7.5% raises vs 4.5% raises). This one year the money is the same.

Also, if KD "didn't care about the money" why even sign a 1 year deal? We know he signed the 1 year because the cap goes up and he can make MORE next year, so the money was obviously a part of the decision. Signing for 1 year proves that it's about the MONEY, and also the championships.

They all care about the dough.

Any player in his right mind cares more about championships.

[exitmusicblue]

Next year I think Steph will sign for less than $25 mil, probably around the $22 mil mark.

Some of you guys are letting your anger get in the way. You're hoping somehow this can't work.

Steph seems to really want to win. To do that you can't let your best players leave, especially not due to money.

They have completely bought in. Next year when Steph and KD are up, we'll see them officially "buy in".

KD Nike deal will net him ~300 mil over 10 years. Curry likewise is getting -paid-.

Conley eat your heart out.

[asujbl]

Next year I think Steph will sign for less than $25 mil, probably around the $22 mil mark.

Some of you guys are letting your anger get in the way. You're hoping somehow this can't work.

Steph seems to really want to win. To do that you can't let your best players leave, especially not due to money.

They have completely bought in. Next year when Steph and KD are up, we'll see them officially "buy in".

If Curry signs for 22 million, so he pisses away 40 million just to be nice, I'll happily eat crow.

Because it won't happen.

No one has any freaking clue if these guys have "bought in" - if Durant was all in he wouldn't have signed a one and one

Because you sign a one and one to get paid

[drobfan8]

If Curry signs for 22 million, so he pisses away 40 million just to be nice, I'll happily eat crow.

Because it won't happen.

No one has any freaking clue if these guys have "bought in" - if Durant was all in he wouldn't have signed a one and one

Because you sign a one and one to get paid

So what is it you are even saying?

Next year they won't have Steph and KD?

[GeechQuest]

Next year I think Steph will sign for less than $25 mil, probably around the $22 mil mark.

Some of you guys are letting your anger get in the way. You're hoping somehow this can't work.

Steph seems to really want to win. To do that you can't let your best players leave, especially not due to money.

They have completely bought in. Next year when Steph and KD are up, we'll see them officially "buy in".

Steph already has 2 finals appearances (likely 3rd this year), 1 ring, 2 MVPs. He's already bought in.

It's time for the Warriors to buy into him.

[GeechQuest]

So what is it you are even saying?

Next year they won't have Steph and KD?

I don't want to speak for him, but I believe he's saying what most are, that they wont have all 4 because they can't afford to keep all four past this year. You can thank this year on Curry having ankle problems early on and not being thrown a max contract years ago.

[drobfan8]

Steph already has 2 finals appearances (likely 3rd this year), 1 ring, 2 MVPs. He's already bought in.

It's time for the Warriors to buy in to him.

You guys really need to add in some more information.

Do you mean they need to max him out?

Which would effectively mean they can't go near the max for KD or make any nice FA pick ups. Which would surely weaken their team?

Nothing I have read Steph say makes me think he wants that.

I doubt he takes $30+ mil to put a handbrake on his team.

[smalltown]

Next year I think Steph will sign for less than $25 mil, probably around the $22 mil mark.

If you said you think he'd take a home town discount at 30M to help things work I'd be willing to play along. There is no world in which he takes 22M.

[drobfan8]

I don't want to speak for him, but I believe he's saying what most are, that they wont have all 4 because they can't afford to keep all four past this year. You can thank this year on Curry having ankle problems early on and not being thrown a max contract years ago.

But Klay is locked up for 2 or 3 more years if I remember.

Why the hell would Steph or KD leave? This seems ridiculous.

[drobfan8]

If you said you think he'd take a home town discount at 30M to help things work I'd be willing to play along. There is no world in which he takes 22M.

So you're saying he'll sign for $30 mil or more?

You might be right, I'm just not sure that can work.

GS could always go over the cap I guess, which they might, it would mean signing Steph last though.

[GeechQuest]

You guys really need to add in some more information.

Do you mean they need to max him out?

Which would effectively mean they can't go near the max for KD or make any nice FA pick ups. Which would surely weaken their team?

Nothing I have read Steph say makes me think he wants that.

I doubt he takes $30+ mil to put a handbrake on his team.

Even if Steph takes the $22 million you're proposing that will only put the $13 mil under the projected cap (assuming Durant signs a max next year, which he will want as evidenced by his 1-1 contract that he just signed).

That $13 million will need to be spent on 7 players as 5 will be under contract with no draft picks for rookies. $13 million can't get you Mozgov, let alone 6 more of him.

[DalliLlama11]

So you're saying he'll sign for $30 mil or more?

You might be right, I'm just not sure that can work.

GS could always go over the cap I guess, which they might, it would mean signing Steph last though.

Thats what everyone is saying...

[drobfan8]

Thats what everyone is saying...

Well, we'll see.

I've seen tim duncan, Parker and Manu take discounts for years to stay together.

I really can't see how GS would split up those 4 guys.

If Steph gets 30, KD 30, klay 17, Dray 16 if I can remember, that's 93. Doesn't leave a lot left.

I think we'll see KD and Steph take paycuts. And then they sign guys like Zaza and D. West that want to play for a ring every year until they retire.

The 00s Lakers had guys like Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond sign for peanuts.

What I'm hearing from some on here, sounds like they think KD or Steph won't be on the dubs team after next season. Or if they are, that means Klay or Dray are gone via trade?

Nope, I don't see it.

[smalltown]

So you're saying he'll sign for $30 mil or more?

100%

I'm just not sure that can work.

That's the point. It was already going to be a challenge with the cap going to 107. Now that it's 5m less it gets even harder.

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I didn't post this to just dump on the dubs either. Other teams are going to have to get really creative.

[GeechQuest]

Well, we'll see.

I've seen tim duncan, Parker and Manu take discounts for years to stay together.

I really can't see how GS would split up those 4 guys.

If Steph gets 30, KD 30, klay 17, Dray 16 if I can remember, that's 93. Doesn't leave a lot left.

I think we'll see KD and Steph take paycuts. And then they sign guys like Zaza and D. West that want to play for a ring every year until they retire.

The 00s Lakers had guys like Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond sign for peanuts.

What I'm hearing from some on here, sounds like they think KD or Steph won't be on the dubs team after next season. Or if they are, that means Klay or Dray are gone via trade?

Nope, I don't see it.

The Spurs aren't really comparable. Duncan always took the paycut (his entire career) but Ginobili and Parker were never able to make max money. They blossomed later and the Spurs were able to lock them up in their prime contract years at WHAT TURNED out to be bargain contracts, but at contracts they were going to get on the open market.

Just like Steph is currently playing for peanuts now, but only because he signed his current contract at his market value. When he signed it he wasn't taking a paycut he was signing for the most he could (like Parker and Ginobili did)

[DalliLlama11]

The Spurs aren't really comparable. Duncan always took the paycut (his entire career) but Ginobili and Parker were never able to make max money. They blossomed later and the Spurs were able to lock them up in their prime contract years at WHAT TURNED out to be bargain contracts, but at contracts they were going to get on the open market.

Just like Steph is currently playing for peanuts now, but only because he signed his current contract at his market value. When he signed it he wasn't taking a paycut he was signing for the most he could (like Parker and Ginobili did)

Not to mention those 3 all came into the league together on the same team. Kd is a "drifter" he wasn't there his entire career. He didn't play every single year accustom to Steph and Klay, playing with his "brothers". The Spurs are an anomaly for almost everything about the NBA.

[rats60]

Well, we'll see.

I've seen tim duncan, Parker and Manu take discounts for years to stay together.

I really can't see how GS would split up those 4 guys.

If Steph gets 30, KD 30, klay 17, Dray 16 if I can remember, that's 93. Doesn't leave a lot left.

I think we'll see KD and Steph take paycuts. And then they sign guys like Zaza and D. West that want to play for a ring every year until they retire.

The 00s Lakers had guys like Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond sign for peanuts.

What I'm hearing from some on here, sounds like they think KD or Steph won't be on the dubs team after next season. Or if they are, that means Klay or Dray are gone via trade?

Nope, I don't see it.

Durant is not taking a pay cut. That is fantasy. Curry may take less, but it is not going to be a huge discount and won't be enough to make a difference They will be able to keep all four if everyone else will be minimums and exemptions. We have seen this with the Heat. You are not going to get another starter at miminum salary and your depth will be lacking. It won't be easy winning with that. Enjoy your one year super team and hope Curry and Durant show up in crunch time.

[drobfan8]

The Spurs aren't really comparable. Duncan always took the paycut (his entire career) but Ginobili and Parker were never able to make max money. They blossomed later and the Spurs were able to lock them up in their prime contract years at WHAT TURNED out to be bargain contracts, but at contracts they were going to get on the open market.

Just like Steph is currently playing for peanuts now, but only because he signed his current contract at his market value. When he signed it he wasn't taking a paycut he was signing for the most he could (like Parker and Ginobili did)

Complete BS. Manu from around 2008 was top (edit, top 10) in mvp votes. Him and Parker never bothered to test the market. To think they couldn't also get max money is laughable. TP was a finals MVP in 07. I don't even remember them having one other offer on the table due to them being ungettable, I think this will certainly be the case with Steph and Dray.

Other teams only hope of tearing this group apart is to try and steal Klay or KD away I guess.

But I don't think anybody will.

Why do you put this team together only to split it up one year later?

[drobfan8]

Durant is not taking a pay cut. That is fantasy. Curry may take less, but it is not going to be a huge discount and won't be enough to make a difference They will be able to keep all four if everyone else will be minimums and exemptions. We have seen this with the Heat. You are not going to get another starter at miminum salary and your depth will be lacking. It won't be easy winning with that. Enjoy your one year super team and hope Curry and Durant show up in crunch time.

At the moment he's on $26 and next season $27 mil. Are you thinking he's gonna try and max out at $35 mil for 5 as soon as he can?

I seriously doubt it.

He'll probably stay around that $27/ $28 mil per year range.

[GeechQuest]

Complete BS. Manu from around 2008 was top (edit, top 10) in mvp votes. Him and Parker never bothered to test the market. To think they couldn't also get max money is laughable. TP was a finals MVP in 07. I don't even remember them having one other offer on the table due to them being ungettable, I think this will certainly be the case with Steph and Dray.

Other teams only hope of tearing this group apart is to try and steal Klay or KD away I guess.

But I don't think anybody will.

Why do you put this team together only to split it up one year later?

You put the team together because your hope is you can keep KD and Curry and trade Thompson for good role players. The core of Curry-Dray-Thompson made the finals. Curry-Dray-KD should be able to do the same.

In regards to the Spurs the absolutely got lucky with there contract situations. They signed Ginobili to a 6 year deal after his 2nd year. His next contract didn't come up until he was 32 and past his prime. They signed Parker after his 3rd year to a 6 year deal as well, missing his "prime" contract years as well.

[drobfan8]

You put the team together because your hope is you can keep KD and Curry and trade Thompson for good role players. The core of Curry-Dray-Thompson made the finals. Curry-Dray-KD should be able to do the same.

In regards to the Spurs the absolutely got lucky with there contract situations. They signed Ginobili to a 6 year deal after his 2nd year. His next contract didn't come up until he was 32 and past his prime. They signed Parker after his 3rd year to a 6 year deal as well, missing his "prime" contract years as well.

You can't get what Klay gives you from any 2 other mid level players in the NBA.

If any one of those 4 are gone after this season, I'll eat my words, but there will be a lot of you guys eating yours if those 4 are still together after this season.

The ONLY hope is that someone (most likely Klay) gets disgruntled and wants out to become more of a star on his own.

Parker and Manu were max or near max level guys when they came up for contracts.

Like I said, they've all take less for their entire careers which is EXACTLY what GS will have to do.

You mention how SA has gotten lucky with giving them long contracts early on, which is EXACTLY what GS are doing. By the end of Stephs next contract he'll be underpaid again.

[AbraCalabro]

Wish I was tall enough to play in the NBA, in today's league, you can suck and be a millionaire for doing nothing.

[asujbl]

Well, we'll see.

I've seen tim duncan, Parker and Manu take discounts for years to stay together.

I really can't see how GS would split up those 4 guys.

If Steph gets 30, KD 30, klay 17, Dray 16 if I can remember, that's 93. Doesn't leave a lot left.

I think we'll see KD and Steph take paycuts. And then they sign guys like Zaza and D. West that want to play for a ring every year until they retire.

The 00s Lakers had guys like Glen Rice and Mitch Richmond sign for peanuts.

What I'm hearing from some on here, sounds like they think KD or Steph won't be on the dubs team after next season. Or if they are, that means Klay or Dray are gone via trade?

Nope, I don't see it.

Discounts needs to be put into context.

Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili didn't take paycuts when the salary cap is about to go to an epic level because of the TV deal. You're talking about (using your Curry example) of him leaving 40 million or more on the table if he took 5 years at 22 million instead of 5 years at 30 million. Show me where any Spurs player did that over a 5 year deal. Or are you implying that Curry and Durant should just sign shorter term deals? Which would be incredibly risky.

Durant also, no matter what anyone wants to say right now, has no loyalty to Golden State yet. Will he? Perhaps... but comparing him to 3 players that had already spent their first 5-10 years with the same team is apples to oranges.

It also ignores that a guy like Duncan got PAID in the middle of his career. Duncan signed a max deal (when Orlando was after him) in 2003 at 122 million. That was most under the CBA at the time. Steph Curry? He makes 7 million dollars less a year then Allen Crabbe now does.

Curry has never cashed in on his max value. Next year, with the TV deal, is his chance... he maxes out at 5 years and that takes him until age 34. Who knows what happens after that.

You are also assuming anyone said the Big 4 can't stay together - no one has said that - what we've all said is that those 4 will take up 99% of the cap. So we question how you fill the rest of the team. That's why the 5 million is so important. People just gloss over that.

Comparing the Spurs to this Warriors team is simply crazy talk. They aren't even close to the same situations.

[auctionjmm]

You can't get what Klay gives you from any 2 other mid level players in the NBA.

If any one of those 4 are gone after this season, I'll eat my words, but there will be a lot of you guys eating yours if those 4 are still together after this season.

The ONLY hope is that someone (most likely Klay) gets disgruntled and wants out to become more of a star on his own.

Parker and Manu were max or near max level guys when they came up for contracts.

Like I said, they've all take less for their entire careers which is EXACTLY what GS will have to do.

You mention how SA has gotten lucky with giving them long contracts early on, which is EXACTLY what GS are doing. By the end of Stephs next contract he'll be underpaid again.

You are missing a bigger point here though. Klay Thompson is no longer necessary to GSW's chances of winning, and I do believe that eliminating him is part of the grand plan. If not, it may become part of the grand plan after people realize just how unnecessary he has become.

Here is my rationale....the Warriors already won 73 games behind strong offensive output from the Splash Brothers. Green was a nice third piece who could score, but he was more valuable in the paint and on defense. They didn't really need Green to hit threes except in Game 6 of the finals.

So with that said, you can now assume that Durant fills the role of Splash Brother #2, but adding 6 points. Better overall FG%, and only slightly lower 3pt%. So if Klay Thompson fell off the earth today, the Warriors are STILL 6pts better per game with all other things being equal. Pretty nice addition for a 73 win team.

So if the Warriors are THIS good with Curry/Durant/Green doing everything they did last year, only better....then where exactly does Klay fit in offensively, and does he do enough defensively to justify keeping him in lieu of stronger role players? That's the question you have to consider. What VALUE does Klay Thompson bring to a team whose top 3 players already average 72ppg? And your answer can't be "Thompson adds 22ppg" because he really doesn't. There are only so many possessions in a game. One of the other 3 would have to defer shots to Klay to keep him involved, which further limits their production.

In conclusion, my opinion is that 2 role players with a strong defensive presence will actually carry more value to this team than another pure shooter who will be fighting for shot attempts. I imagine two quick gunners who can play DEF, move in transition, and move without the ball. The Warriors can find a trade partner to make this happen without having to settle for mid-level or vet min players either. I am not an "angry" Cavs fan as someone else suggested, who is just grasping at straws for this to fail. I am objectively looking at a team that is going to be front-loaded on offense but may struggle defensively, and that WILL be a problem in 16-17. A smart GM/Owner will recognize this by year's end and Mr. Thompson will no longer be a Golden State Warrior. That's my take.

[drobfan8]

Discounts needs to be put into context.

Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili didn't take paycuts when the salary cap is about to go to an epic level because of the TV deal. You're talking about (using your Curry example) of him leaving 40 million or more on the table if he took 5 years at 22 million instead of 5 years at 30 million. Show me where any Spurs player did that over a 5 year deal. Or are you implying that Curry and Durant should just sign shorter term deals? Which would be incredibly risky.

Durant also, no matter what anyone wants to say right now, has no loyalty to Golden State yet. Will he? Perhaps... but comparing him to 3 players that had already spent their first 5-10 years with the same team is apples to oranges.

It also ignores that a guy like Duncan got PAID in the middle of his career. Duncan signed a max deal (when Orlando was after him) in 2003 at 122 million. That was most under the CBA at the time. Steph Curry? He makes 7 million dollars less a year then Allen Crabbe now does.

Curry has never cashed in on his max value. Next year, with the TV deal, is his chance... he maxes out at 5 years and that takes him until age 34. Who knows what happens after that.

You are also assuming anyone said the Big 4 can't stay together - no one has said that - what we've all said is that those 4 will take up 99% of the cap. So we question how you fill the rest of the team. That's why the 5 million is so important. People just gloss over that.

Comparing the Spurs to this Warriors team is simply crazy talk. They aren't even close to the same situations.

I never said it's exactly the same situation.

I said I've seen them take discounts to stay together. And they have. One guy seemed to think Manu and Parker couldn't even get better money which was hilarious. Tim Duncan has taken crazy discounts since his max deal.

They took less to make it work and GS look to be doing the same thing.

Yes, people have been saying that the 4 won't stay together past this year, some crazy above even thinks Klay who is one of the better two way players in the league is expendable.

[drobfan8]

You are missing a bigger point here though. Klay Thompson is no longer necessary to GSW's chances of winning, and I do believe that eliminating him is part of the grand plan. If not, it may become part of the grand plan after people realize just how unnecessary he has become.

Here is my rationale....the Warriors already won 73 games behind strong offensive output from the Splash Brothers. Green was a nice third piece who could score, but he was more valuable in the paint and on defense. They didn't really need Green to hit threes except in Game 6 of the finals.

So with that said, you can now assume that Durant fills the role of Splash Brother #2, but adding 6 points. Better overall FG%, and only slightly lower 3pt%. So if Klay Thompson fell off the earth today, the Warriors are STILL 6pts better per game with all other things being equal. Pretty nice addition for a 73 win team.

So if the Warriors are THIS good with Curry/Durant/Green doing everything they did last year, only better....then where exactly does Klay fit in offensively, and does he do enough defensively to justify keeping him in lieu of stronger role players? That's the question you have to consider. What VALUE does Klay Thompson bring to a team whose top 3 players already average 72ppg? And your answer can't be "Thompson adds 22ppg" because he really doesn't. There are only so many possessions in a game. One of the other 3 would have to defer shots to Klay to keep him involved, which further limits their production.

In conclusion, my opinion is that 2 role players with a strong defensive presence will actually carry more value to this team than another pure shooter who will be fighting for shot attempts. I imagine two quick gunners who can play DEF, move in transition, and move without the ball. The Warriors can find a trade partner to make this happen without having to settle for mid-level or vet min players either. I am not an "angry" Cavs fan as someone else suggested, who is just grasping at straws for this to fail. I am objectively looking at a team that is going to be front-loaded on offense but may struggle defensively, and that WILL be a problem in 16-17. A smart GM/Owner will recognize this by year's end and Mr. Thompson will no longer be a Golden State Warrior. That's my take.


I would love to see what you get for Klay thompson that is going to make GS better.

He's on $16 mil.

That will get you mozgov or crabbe.

Or Delly and Rich Jefferson.

The only way Klay leaves is if he's disgruntled.

He takes so much pressure off Steph when he's being doubled.

I don't see it.

[SteveO21]

2 things that kind of strike me with this. If the Warriors win, what is to keep KD there? He has the opt out and maybe the 1 title is good enough for him so he leaves. That allows them to keep their team aside from KD obviously. 2nd, The fact that its a 2 year with an opt out kind of signifies that he'd want more money. I mean its not 100% but he could have just signed a 2 year deal without the option if he planned on making the exact same next year regardless of them winning/losing.

If I were Durant I'd go be a hired gun. Hop from contender to contender for the most money I could get every 1-2 years and try to set the record for the player with the most championships with different teams.

Regardless, get that paper!

[pingbling23]

If I were Curry I'd go be a hired gun. Hop from contender to contender for the most money I could get every 1-2 years and try to set the record for the player with the most championships with different teams.

Regardless, get that paper!

He would have to go to some really strong teams. He's just not the type of player that leads you to a title. Besides hitting amazing 3's, he does little else.

[SteveO21]

He would have to go to some really strong teams. He's just not the type of player that leads you to a title. Besides hitting amazing 3's, he does little else.

Crap. I actually meant to type Durant, not Curry.

[pingbling23]

Crap. I actually meant to type Durant, not Curry.

That makes more sense, durant brings more to the table.

[auctionjmm]

I would love to see what you get for Klay thompson that is going to make GS better.

He's on $16 mil.

That will get you mozgov or crabbe.

Or Delly and Rich Jefferson.

The only way Klay leaves is if he's disgruntled.

He takes so much pressure off Steph when he's being doubled.

I don't see it.

All I can say is that idealism rarely works in pro sports, and I think that is why you have so many doubters right now. You are proposing an idealistic scenario, an altruistic anomaly, where four superstar talents all come together and for the good of the game give up money and individual success in exchange for a winning dynasty. This means all four of them sacrificing production and perhaps chances at future MVP's because winning together is more important than individual accomplishments. And to fill their bench, they'd have to hope year after year that the David West's of the league continue to give up big paydays of their own to come and play for the vet minimum.

Dude, I would LOVE if that happened in pro sports more often. Just think how many fun teams their would be if everyone just sacrificed something for the good of the team. Especially in baseball where homegrown talent in small market cities usually leaves after team control ends since they know they can make a killing in a larger market. The magic of the 90's Indians could have gone on for years if all those big bats had just stayed in Cleveland for peanuts for the good of the team. And by the way, Durant and Westbrook could have created their own dynasty in OKC if they had both resigned for 22 million and allowed their ownership to add another huge piece to compliment their trade haul from draft night. THAT team could have rolled GSW next year.

BUT, that's why they call it idealism. Because this stuff just doesn't happen and ego/fame/flashiness almost always get in the way. Durant left OKC for the flashiness of GSW. He wasn't going to negotiate a smaller deal to stay in OKC and win. We'll see if the cocky Warriors can become altar boys like you think they will, but don't be surprised if this board is talking about trade deadline moves in January because one of those players just isn't buying into this new saintly image that you are proposing. Or perhaps Durant recognizes that he does want to be THE MAN and goes to Boston after this year to do just that. We'll have to wait and see.

[drobfan8]

All I can say is that idealism rarely works in pro sports, and I think that is why you have so many doubters right now. You are proposing an idealistic scenario, an altruistic anomaly, where four superstar talents all come together and for the good of the game give up money and individual success in exchange for a winning dynasty. This means all four of them sacrificing production and perhaps chances at future MVP's because winning together is more important than individual accomplishments. And to fill their bench, they'd have to hope year after year that the David West's of the league continue to give up big paydays of their own to come and play for the vet minimum.

Dude, I would LOVE if that happened in pro sports more often. Just think how many fun teams their would be if everyone just sacrificed something for the good of the team. Especially in baseball where homegrown talent in small market cities usually leaves after team control ends since they know they can make a killing in a larger market. The magic of the 90's Indians could have gone on for years if all those big bats had just stayed in Cleveland for peanuts for the good of the team. And by the way, Durant and Westbrook could have created their own dynasty in OKC if they had both resigned for 22 million and allowed their ownership to add another huge piece to compliment their trade haul from draft night. THAT team could have rolled GSW next year.

BUT, that's why they call it idealism. Because this stuff just doesn't happen and ego/fame/flashiness almost always get in the way. Durant left OKC for the flashiness of GSW. He wasn't going to negotiate a smaller deal to stay in OKC and win. We'll see if the cocky Warriors can become altar boys like you think they will, but don't be surprised if this board is talking about trade deadline moves in January because one of those players just isn't buying into this new saintly image that you are proposing. Or perhaps Durant recognizes that he does want to be THE MAN and goes to Boston after this year to do just that. We'll have to wait and see.

Yeah I get it, it's not the norm, but it has been done before, just never with 2 MVPs on the one team and 2 other stars. Klay is signed for 3 more seasons, so unless they trade him, he's not going anywhere.

Which means for it not to work, KD will have to leave after 1 season, that just isn't gonna happen unless this doesn't work.

People are just gonna have to deal with it.

And every year there is a David West type guy ready to play for cheap to win.
The Lakers and Heat got guys like this in their runs.

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[asujbl]

Wait, but what's this??

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So Joe Lacob echoed everything I've said in this thread. You can keep the 4 and that's 99% of the cap.

Super weird. It's almost like you ignore everything everyone was telling you.

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So Joe Lacob echoed everything I've said in this thread. You can keep the 4 and that's 99% of the cap.

Super weird

Why was future HOFer D-Wade never once the top paycheck on his many teams, incl. championship squads...

Therein lies your answer.

[asujbl]

Why was future HOFer D-Wade never once the top paycheck on his many teams, incl. championship squads...

Therein lies your answer.


Apples and Oranges

Stephen Curry makes 7 million dollars less then Allen Crabbe.

If you can't see the issue you are beyond help

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Apples and Oranges

Stephen Curry makes 7 million dollars less then Allen Crabbe.

If you can't see the issue you are beyond help

The Dubs will dominate for many years to come, learn to love it with every fiber of your being.

[Cavaliercards]

Oh, and Wade has 3 rings in large part due to never once being the highest paid guy on his roster. Smart man, I don't think he's second-guessing himself.

Word has been leaking for years he hates that he was never the top paid guy in Miami.

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Word has been leaking for years he hates that he was never the top paid guy in Miami.

Yeppp and three rings later, at age 34, he can do as he likes. Better than getting paid, with 0.

[bballcollector]

The Dubs will dominate for many years to come, learn to love it with every fiber of your being.

Cmon man we just lost the finals and now you have to be a cocky DB. This is why people give Warriors fans a hard time because of statements like this.

[drobfan8]

So Joe Lacob echoed everything I've said in this thread. You can keep the 4 and that's 99% of the cap.

Super weird. It's almost like you ignore everything everyone was telling you.

How is it 99% of the cap with 4 guys?

You're making up numbers that aren't there. It's like you're factoring in Steph at $35 mil already.

[TBarn291]

Cmon man we just lost the finals and now you have to be a cocky DB. This is why people give Warriors fans a hard time because of statements like this.



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[asujbl]

How is it 99% of the cap with 4 guys?

You're making up numbers that aren't there. It's like you're factoring in Steph at $35 mil already.

And it's like you assume he's taking a big pay cut

Odds are? We are right

But only we are making up numbers...

[drobfan8]

And it's like you assume he's taking a big pay cut

Odds are? We are right

But only we are making up numbers...

Except I'm not at all.

I'm saying the 4 will not split up after 1 season.

You're saying they're taking up 99% of the cap and they're not.

I think Steph will take something around the $22 - $25 mil range, which is up from his $10 mil or so at the moment. I'd hardly call that a pay cut.

I remember Joe Johnson was the highest paid at $22 mil a few years ago, it doesn't mean every team will have a guy earning that. Just like not every team will have a $30 mil guy like MEM with conley.

[pingbling23]

Cmon man we just lost the finals and now you have to be a cocky DB. This is why people give Warriors fans a hard time because of statements like this.

Respect.

[asujbl]

Except I'm not at all.

I'm saying the 4 will not split up after 1 season.

You're saying they're taking up 99% of the cap and they're not.

I think Steph will take something around the $22 - $25 mil range, which is up from his $10 mil or so at the moment. I'd hardly call that a pay cut.

I remember Joe Johnson was the highest paid at $22 mil a few years ago, it doesn't mean every team will have a guy earning that. Just like not every team will have a $30 mil guy like MEM with conley.


And I'm telling you there is no chance in hell Curry is leaving 40 million on the table to be nice

[smalltown]

I think Steph will take something around the $22 - $25 mil range

This is the best you could hope for from a hometown discount and i still don't believe he'll sign for less than 30.

Harden extension - Over the next four years, Harden will now earn: $26.5M, $28.3M, $30.4M and a player option for $32.7M in 2019-'20.

[zacsoccer6]

Iggy and livingston will pry sign for vet minimum next year, that is pry the warriors plan. All of the vets are flocking there for minimum as it is anyways, if they get into the tax they get the nice tax payer MLE which is better than non payer MLE.

[drobfan8]

This is the best you could hope for from a hometown discount and i still don't believe he'll sign for less than 30.

Harden extension - Over the next four years, Harden will now earn: $26.5M, $28.3M, $30.4M and a player option for $32.7M in 2019-'20.

Well if he signs for $30M, KD $27m, klay $16, dray $17

That's $90m with $12m left if the cap is $102 (which it still might be more).

Steph can sign last and they can go over the cap but would make it hard each year to add guys.

Why would he handbrake his team like that? If he takes $5m less that could be 2 vets.

[NeedChapmans]

Iggy and livingston will pry sign for vet minimum next year, that is pry the warriors plan. All of the vets are flocking there for minimum as it is anyways, if they get into the tax they get the nice tax payer MLE which is better than non payer MLE.

Shaun Livingston isn't some 15 year NBA vet w/ rings that has made enough money not to care about his next paycheck. If there's money to be had, he's not taking the vet minimum (especially when the doors fly open once again on an increased cap).

[asujbl]

Shaun Livingston isn't some 15 year NBA vet w/ rings that has made enough money not to care about his next paycheck. If there's money to be had, he's not taking the vet minimum (especially when the doors fly open once again on an increased cap).

Neither is Iggy

He has value. He can easily get a 2 year deal in the 30-40 range in the new NBA

He isn't taking a veterans minimum

[NeedChapmans]

Neither is Iggy

He has value. He can easily get a 2 year deal in the 30-40 range in the new NBA

He isn't taking a veterans minimum

Ehhhh, he's earned $120M in his career vs. Livington's $40M so while I agree it's very unlikely, it's not AS unlikely.

[asujbl]

Ehhhh, he's earned $120M in his career vs. Livington's $40M so while I agree it's very unlikely, it's not AS unlikely.

Red apples to Green apples I agree...

But vets minimum is a far cry from the 18-20 a year he could get for a season or two

[Chris P]

Also most players that take the vet minimum are guys chasong rings....Iggy and Livingston already got their rings..possibly two if the Warriors win again..i would think if they had to be let go..they'd cash out

[drobfan8]

Also most players that take the vet minimum are guys chasong rings....Iggy and Livingston already got their rings..possibly two if the Warriors win again..i would think if they had to be let go..they'd cash out

I'm certainly intrigued to see what Iggy's next deal will be like. I can't see him leaving when he's a part of the group that met with KD.

Livingston was on the scrap heap before GS threw him a lifeline, I'm not sure what he'll do either. They would be priorities I'm sure.

[asujbl]

I'm certainly intrigued to see what Iggy's next deal will be like. I can't see him leaving when he's a part of the group that met with KD.

Livingston was on the scrap heap before GS threw him a lifeline, I'm not sure what he'll do either. They would be priorities I'm sure.


You really expect Iggy to take a 15 million dollar pay cut, per year, based on what he could get? Really?

Delusion is running strong

[drobfan8]

You really expect Iggy to take a 15 million dollar pay cut, per year, based on what he could get? Really?

Delusion is running strong

Ha ha? Where have I said numbers? You're the only one making them up. Now Iggy is worth $20M per year?

Are you saying he'll leave?

So Iggy recruits a guy that will effectively force him out of the team? Yeah makes total sense.

[drobfan8]

I get a lot of people don't want this big 4 experiment to work, neither do I, I want the Spurs to win again.

But the idea that Durant will leave after 1 season is crazy (been mentioned)
Even if you trade Klay to get 2 or 3 guys back, they can't give you what Klay does. That seems stupid especially as Klay is on $16M/ $17M for the next 3 seasons. I'd love to hear some of the offers for this.
And Steph isn't gonna max out and kill his teams chances of decent signings.
They'll need to be smart, sure, but there is always cheap vets that'll come play. Always.

[asujbl]

Ha ha? Where have I said numbers? You're the only one making them up. Now Iggy is worth $20M per year?

Are you saying he'll leave?

So Iggy recruits a guy that will effectively force him out of the team? Yeah makes total sense.

Yes to all

Easiest answer ever

[drobfan8]

Yes to all

Easiest answer ever

Wow.

I hope you're right and this is a mess for GS and my Spurs can roll through and win again:)

[Chris P]

I can see iggy staying, not for the vet minimum but if its good enough money..but livingston too me is a different case...hes bounced around team to team and i cant imagine he hasnt made a ton of money relatively speaking since since he suffered a near career injury earlier in his career and took some time to get his career on track. Some team will overpay and i think he'd take it. Be interesting to see

[drob50]

I too am interested in how they go about this. We have seen so far that the GSW FO is pretty good at what they do.

This opportunity comes around once in a lifetime and is only really possible because of the rapid cap increase, so you would think they will spend the next 12 months working out what to do next summer.

I don't see Iggy being the one to take a pay cut. He already sacrificed his starting role to help the team, then it was basically told to him that he was the most important piece in their Championship, so to ask him to be the one to take a cut would probably the last straw one would think.

More likely that Curry, Iggy, Livingston and KD all take a small cut to make it work. Still will need vet bigs though. I thought West was a great pickup this year, but maybe he doesn't keep going?? Will need to find more ring chasers each year.

[rats60]

I too am interested in how they go about this. We have seen so far that the GSW FO is pretty good at what they do.

This opportunity comes around once in a lifetime and is only really possible because of the rapid cap increase, so you would think they will spend the next 12 months working out what to do next summer.

I don't see Iggy being the one to take a pay cut. He already sacrificed his starting role to help the team, then it was basically told to him that he was the most important piece in their Championship, so to ask him to be the one to take a cut would probably the last straw one would think.

More likely that Curry, Iggy, Livingston and KD all take a small cut to make it work. Still will need vet bigs though. I thought West was a great pickup this year, but maybe he doesn't keep going?? Will need to find more ring chasers each year.

Durant is not taking a cut, it will require more to resign him. Curry will be getting a huge raise, he may not take the max, but it will be close. Iggy and Livingston aren't taking cuts. GS will be together for one season, after that there will be major changes.They will be filling their bench with over the hill players willing to take the minimum. This is the new NBA. Guys are going to want to get paid. The idea that players are going to give away their last chance to make millions is absurd. If Mozgov can make stupid money, others are going to get theirs.