Cost of playing college baseball

[kcballer9]

I was poking on the Internet in my free time this afternoon and ended up finding this article.

With scholarship limit, college baseball careers come with a cost | Sports | omaha.com (http://www.omaha.com/sports/cws/with-scholarship-limit-college-baseball-careers-come-with-a-cost/article_9c27f775-3564-5051-b7f9-f258c8c37fd1.html)

This article was very interesting and really put into perspective the side of college baseball most of us don't see. Hopefully some of you also find it interesting.

[Hollywood42]

That's basically college in general

[Big35Hurt]

That's basically college in general

Exactly. Some non-athletes will get awarded grants but most will end up with piles of debt just like the college baseball players.

I found this part to be a bit whiney:

"“The financial part of this is ridiculous,” Coastal Carolina coach Gary Gilmore says. “Moms and dads are spending almost $100,000 in four years, whereas football and basketball and a lot of women’s sports have tons of full scholarships. I’m asking guys that turned into professional minor leaguers to take 25 percent (of a scholarship). It’s just not fair.”

Well coach Gilmore, basketball and football are revenue generating sports that bring in millions of dollars and help support non-revenue generating sports like baseball. Without basketball and football, does he really think baseball or other sports would survive? The players that choose to play college ball and accept a partial scholarship had a choice...deal with it.

[JohnRyno]

We got a per diem on road trips and a lot of nice under armour gear.

[Peties Army]

It's been ten years since I've graduated and I have two degrees from two nice private schools and I did most of it on loans and it is no way near 140k. I'm not saying he lying, and I know that isn't really the point of the story, but man that seems high. My bosses kid is about to go to the state university and for a four year degree it should cost him right around 100k. 140k seems really high

[coachnip13]

Exactly. Some non-athletes will get awarded grants but most will end up with piles of debt just like the college baseball players.

I found this part to be a bit whiney:

"“The financial part of this is ridiculous,” Coastal Carolina coach Gary Gilmore says. “Moms and dads are spending almost $100,000 in four years, whereas football and basketball and a lot of women’s sports have tons of full scholarships. I’m asking guys that turned into professional minor leaguers to take 25 percent (of a scholarship). It’s just not fair.”

Well coach Gilmore, basketball and football are revenue generating sports that bring in millions of dollars and help support non-revenue generating sports like baseball. Without basketball and football, does he really think baseball or other sports would survive? The players that choose to play college ball and accept a partial scholarship had a choice...deal with it.

He was wrong to bring up football and basketball, but he is spot on when it comes to women's sports. Women's Rowing hemorrhages money, but the 20th (!) girl on a Division 1 rowing team gets a full scholarship. Same as the 15th girl on a Women's Equestrian team. Virtually no one at Vanderbilt or Coastal or Stanford (or anywhere else) is getting a full baseball scholarship, and most get around 30%.

Of course many students face the same issues. But those students can get jobs if they want. NCAA athletes are held hostage. No working, no income....piled on top of the scholarship discrepancy that a few men's sports face.

[Hollywood42]

Ha. Give me a break. Must sure be terrible to play a game and get a scholarship for it. You have a choice when playing college sports

He was wrong to bring up football and basketball, but he is spot on when it comes to women's sports. Women's Rowing hemorrhages money, but the 20th (!) girl on a Division 1 rowing team gets a full scholarship. Same as the 15th girl on a Women's Equestrian team. Virtually no one at Vanderbilt or Coastal or Stanford (or anywhere else) is getting a full baseball scholarship, and most get around 30%.

Of course many students face the same issues. But those students can get jobs if they want. NCAA athletes are held hostage. No working, no income....piled on top of the scholarship discrepancy that a few men's sports face.

[coachnip13]

It's been ten years since I've graduated and I have two degrees from two nice private schools and I did most of it on loans and it is no way near 140k. I'm not saying he lying, and I know that isn't really the point of the story, but man that seems high. My bosses kid is about to go to the state university and for a four year degree it should cost him right around 100k. 140k seems really high

Yeah, they aimed a bit too high when they chose that guy's story for the article. Coastal Carolina is about $38K for an out of state student, and that's for everything. There's no way a starter on the national championship team was still a walk on as a senior. Plus, there are other grants that are available for everyone.

It would have been better to highlight the baseball discrepancy than to go overboard with a number that likely isn't true.

[coachnip13]

Ha. Give me a break. Must sure be terrible to play a game and get a scholarship for it. You have a choice when playing college sports

Maybe you missed the point, but the "scholarship" usually covers about 30% of tuition, while the head coach is making $300,000 and up and the NCAA is profiting off the post-season. The athlete has to come up with the other 70% while not being allowed to get a part time job.

[Hollywood42]

Think you missed my point of college students in general, athlete or not, having to deal with exorbitant bills while the school keeps raising and raising tuition and board and keeps rolling in the dough

Maybe you missed the point, but the "scholarship" usually covers about 30% of tuition, while the head coach is making $300,000 and up and the NCAA is profiting off the post-season. The athlete has to come up with the other 70% while not being allowed to get a part time job.

[coachnip13]

Think you missed my point of college students in general, athlete or not, having to deal with exorbitant bills while the school keeps raising and raising tuition and board and keeps rolling in the dough

You never made that point.

Can a non-athlete work to pay the bills?

[Dbacksbaseball]

We got a per diem on road trips and a lot of nice under armour gear.

Same here (except Nike stuff). Pissed away the op I had, by being a kid and ended up at home working in retail a year later at 19. Thankfully straightened myself out and had a degree by 22 and a lot more in school debt then I would have been. :doh:

Still was one of the best years of my life being a starting CF on a college baseball team. Still thankful for that opportunity.

[Hollywood42]

See my first post in this thread

You never made that point.

Can a non-athlete work to pay the bills?

[kcballer9]

I'm glad you guys decided to give the article a read. Each post has certainly given me something to think about. I can certainly see both sides reasoning for what they have to say.

[Peties Army]

Think you missed my point of college students in general, athlete or not, having to deal with exorbitant bills while the school keeps raising and raising tuition and board and keeps rolling in the dough

I do agree with this

There are no businesses in the world doing better then your state home university. Every time you look at MU or IL in my area they are building huge facilities.

Costing not 40k a year to go to a state school is silly to me

[coachnip13]

See my first post in this thread

See my question.

[Peties Army]

I'm glad you guys decided to give the article a read. Each post has certainly given me something to think about. I can certainly see both sides reasoning for what they have to say.

I agree interesting article.

I think it is just a matter of time until they figure out , for the big revenue sports, they will find a way to break off and pay the players. So we will have a League that has, I don't know, 60 teams and another league with 60 teams that guys are just a scholarships.

[Hollywood42]

Of course a non-athlete can work to pay the bills. But good luck finding anybody out there that can fully pay for college nowadays just by working in the summer and during the school year. Poor college athletes that get scholarships to travel around the country and play sports. Sure wish I could do that. It's not just the athletes that have a hard time paying the bills

See my question.

[coachnip13]

Of course a non-athlete can work to pay the bills. But good luck finding anybody out there that can fully pay for college nowadays just by working in the summer and during the school year. Poor college athletes that get scholarships to travel around the country and play sports. Sure wish I could do that. It's not just the athletes that have a hard time paying the bills

The bitterness toward athletes is glaring. That's probably to be expected on a collector site.

30% of tuition might be $9,000. So that athlete who gets to travel around the country while managing a class schedule has to come up with the other $21,000......and is not permitted to work to at least make a dent in that.

In the meantime, the NCAA is rolling in dough and the coach has two BMW's.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Truthfully, if you ask any guy who played college baseball, meaning meaningful at bat's/pitching in games etc and loved the game you won't find many complaints. I went to college with $1000 in my pocket and made it last a whole year, as did most the guys on my team. The kids who had mom and dads credit cards would chip in and get pizzas and stuff every now and then but as a team you found a way to make it work. We weren't able to drink Dogfish every night, or go out to fancy restaurants but we all made it work. Good life experience.

[Hollywood42]

Hahahahaha yeah I'm bitter. You're just not seeing my point that the larger problem is the cost of schools in general. See someone else that responded to another of my posts, schools are always building huge new buildings, while students, athletes or not, have to turn to tens of thousands of dollars in student loans to get through 4 years. You say NCAA rolling in dough, I say the college is rolling in dough. Coach has 2 BMWs? So does the college president

The bitterness toward athletes is glaring. That's probably to be expected on a collector site.

30% of tuition might be $9,000. So that athlete who gets to travel around the country while managing a class schedule has to come up with the other $21,000......and is not permitted to work to at least make a dent in that.

In the meantime, the NCAA is rolling in dough and the coach has two BMW's.

[awz50]

Playing College baseball is awesome, you are basically a god on campus and If you have ANY time management skills it can be a great experience.

[coachnip13]

Hahahahaha yeah I'm bitter. You're just not seeing my point that the larger problem is the cost of schools in general. See someone else that responded to another of my posts, schools are always building huge new buildings, while students, athletes or not, have to turn to tens of thousands of dollars in student loans to get through 4 years. You say NCAA rolling in dough, I say the college is rolling in dough. Coach has 2 BMWs? So does the college president

Of course, the main point being glossed over is that most other sports get full rides for the entire roster no matter how much money they lose. It's a baseball issue. I'm going out on a limb here, but look up the commentary of a guy named "Ron Polk".

[Hollywood42]

Perhaps it's just me being "bitter", but I see the fact that tuition has increased over 10x in price in the last 30 years as just a slightly bigger problem than some kid on the football team getting a full ride when maybe he shouldn't

Of course, the main point being glossed over is that most other sports get full rides for the entire roster no matter how much money they lose. It's a baseball issue. I'm going out on a limb here, but look up the commentary of a guy named "Ron Polk".

[coachnip13]

Perhaps it's just me being "bitter", but I see the fact that tuition has increased over 10x in price in the last 30 years as just a slightly bigger problem than some kid on the football team getting a full ride when maybe he shouldn't

Or it's you just not understanding the issue. Forget the football player. At least his sport brings in money. How about the 15th girl on the basketball team. That's where it becomes a problem against baseball. The high tuition doesn't bother her one bit. She has 100% of her tuition paid for and she won't sniff the court.

[preakness]

Some of my players got full rides but majority got only a %

[JohnRyno]

The bitterness toward athletes is glaring. That's probably to be expected on a collector site.

30% of tuition might be $9,000. So that athlete who gets to travel around the country while managing a class schedule has to come up with the other $21,000......and is not permitted to work to at least make a dent in that.

In the meantime, the NCAA is rolling in dough and the coach has two BMW's.

Our coach drove one late model Ford Explorer.

Playing College baseball is awesome, you are basically a god on campus and If you have ANY time management skills it can be a great experience.

No one on campus gave a fug about us. The 3rd string lax goalie was a bigger deal.

[IUjapander]

Or it's you just not understanding the issue. Forget the football player. At least his sport brings in money. How about the 15th girl on the basketball team. That's where it becomes a problem against baseball. The high tuition doesn't bother her one bit. She has 100% of her tuition paid for and she won't sniff the court.

The bitterness towards females is glaring, but that is to be expected from an old white guy.

[RossOK]

Hahahahaha yeah I'm bitter. You're just not seeing my point that the larger problem is the cost of schools in general. See someone else that responded to another of my posts, schools are always building huge new buildings, while students, athletes or not, have to turn to tens of thousands of dollars in student loans to get through 4 years. You say NCAA rolling in dough, I say the college is rolling in dough. Coach has 2 BMWs? So does the college president

Tuition rates are raising to make up for the decreased funding from state legislatures when it comes to public universities. The money that donors pump into the foundation is responsible for all of the facility upgrades you're likely mentioning. Those are needed to help with recruiting and retention, not just a symbol of the administration raking in money by bleeding students of their finances.

The difference between college baseball versus other college sports (specifically football and basketball) is that professional baseball has its own minor league system instead of using the college ranks as de facto minors. That means a greater emphasis is placed on those two particular high-revenue sports. From donors/boosters, coaching staffs, fans, broadcasting — the money/interest rolls in and skews priorities towards football and basketball at the expense of other sports and/or the academic wing of schools. It's an intricate web of messes that leads to situations like a FBS head coach is the highest-paid public employee in a state (Oklahoma).

[coachnip13]

The bitterness towards females is glaring, but that is to be expected from an old white guy.

I take it you're not a detective.

[Big35Hurt]

The bitterness toward athletes is glaring. That's probably to be expected on a collector site.

30% of tuition might be $9,000. So that athlete who gets to travel around the country while managing a class schedule has to come up with the other $21,000......and is not permitted to work to at least make a dent in that.

In the meantime, the NCAA is rolling in dough and the coach has two BMW's.

It's not bitterness...it's reality. Let's use your #'s....a student-athlete gets $9k to play a game. Let that sink in. How many hours would a regular student have to work to make that same $9k in a school year? Sorry, but calling it bitterness is grossly oversimplifying how others actually see it.

[coachnip13]

It's not bitterness...it's reality. Let's use your #'s....a student-athlete gets $9k to play a game. Let that sink in. How many hours would a regular student have to work to make that same $9k in a school year? Sorry, but calling it bitterness is grossly oversimplifying how others actually see it.

Again, the point of the article is being missed. I get it....you guys hate it that athletes get scholarship money. Cool. Let's move on.

The kid getting that $9,000 and starting for his school's College World Series team is sitting next to a student in Sophomore English who is getting 100% of everything paid for because he or she stumbled into the last spot on the roster of another team at the school.

It's a baseball issue, as compared to other sports. Not a "should athletes get money" issue.

[Hollywood42]

I'd love to see a list of all the teams and their schools where 100% of their rosters are getting full rides. That claim seems ridiculous. Or maybe I'm just bitter

[coachnip13]

I'd love to see a list of all the teams and their schools where 100% of their rosters are getting full rides. That claim seems ridiculous. Or maybe I'm just bitter

Not sure if this is serious, but the NCAA scholarship limits are found easily online.

You don't think football teams are maxing out their 85 scholarships? Men's basketball teams aren't maxing out their 13 scholarships? Maybe I don't get your question, but teams all over the country are taking advantage of the NCAA max.

You would be shocked to find out that all 12 UConn women's basketball players are getting full rides when the NCAA max is 15?

[Hollywood42]

I asked how many athletes get full rides, not how many get scholarships. I looked it up and found that for D-I men's athletes, the average scholarship is $14,270. Absolutely no info as to how many full rides are given. So, back up your claim and show me some teams that give every player on their roster a full ride

Not sure if this is serious, but the NCAA scholarship limits are found easily online.

You don't think football teams are maxing out their 85 scholarships? Men's basketball teams aren't maxing out their 13 scholarships? Maybe I don't get your question, but teams all over the country are taking advantage of the NCAA max.

You would be shocked to find out that all 12 UConn women's basketball players are getting full rides when the NCAA max is 15?

[coachnip13]

I asked how many athletes get full rides, not how many get scholarships. I looked it up and found that for D-I men's athletes, the average scholarship is $14,270. Absolutely no info as to how many full rides are given. So, back up your claim and show me some teams that give every player on their roster a full ride

You just don't understand the terminology. A "scholarship" in this context is a full ride. Tuition, room & board, books, and fees. Everything.

Football and Men's basketball are Head Count sports. As are Women's basketball, volleyball, tennis, and gymnastics. A head count sport is a sport in which the scholarships are only given out as 100% full rides:

Scholarships within head-count sports are restricted by a set number, and they are all full scholarships.

Men's football gives out 85 scholarships (full rides to you). Men's basketball gives out 13. There are 12 guys on Kentucky's basketball roster. Women's basketball gives out 15. They have 12 girls. Women's tennis....8. Florida has 8 tennis players.

At the risk of blowing your mind......baseball is an equivalency sport, not a head count sport. That means a roster isn't fully funded and that scholarships are expected to be split up. That is the entire issue. Baseball has to split 11.7 scholarships among 27 players, while most other sports can either fund their entire rosters or a large portion of them.

Hope this helps.

[Hollywood42]

How on the world could you claim a scholarship = a full ride scholarship? Ask anybody on the street and they would say a scholarship is money given to a student, not necessarily a full scholarship. The line you italicized proves that "scholarship" does not inherently imply a "full ride scholarship", and would completely change a lot of what I've said in my last few posts

Regardless of this juvenile discussion if scholarship = full ride, my original opinion that college has become far too expensive for any student, athlete or not, remains unchanged.

You just don't understand the terminology. A "scholarship" in this context is a full ride. Tuition, room & board, books, and fees. Everything.

Football and Men's basketball are Head Count sports. As are Women's basketball, volleyball, tennis, and gymnastics. A head count sport is a sport in which the scholarships are only given out as 100% full rides:

Scholarships within head-count sports are restricted by a set number, and they are all full scholarships.

Men's football gives out 85 scholarships (full rides to you). Men's basketball gives out 13. There are 12 guys on Kentucky's basketball roster. Women's basketball gives out 15. They have 12 girls. Women's tennis....8. Florida has 8 tennis players.

At the risk of blowing your mind......baseball is an equivalency sport, not a head count sport. That means a roster isn't fully funded and that scholarships are expected to be split up. That is the entire issue. Baseball has to split 11.7 scholarships among 27 players, while most other sports can either fund their entire rosters or a large portion of them.

Hope this helps.

[Kelper7]

You just don't understand the terminology. A "scholarship" in this context is a full ride. Tuition, room & board, books, and fees. Everything.

Football and Men's basketball are Head Count sports. As are Women's basketball, volleyball, tennis, and gymnastics. A head count sport is a sport in which the scholarships are only given out as 100% full rides:

Scholarships within head-count sports are restricted by a set number, and they are all full scholarships.

Men's football gives out 85 scholarships (full rides to you). Men's basketball gives out 13. There are 12 guys on Kentucky's basketball roster. Women's basketball gives out 15. They have 12 girls. Women's tennis....8. Florida has 8 tennis players.

At the risk of blowing your mind......baseball is an equivalency sport, not a head count sport. That means a roster isn't fully funded and that scholarships are expected to be split up. That is the entire issue. Baseball has to split 11.7 scholarships among 27 players, while most other sports can either fund their entire rosters or a large portion of them.

Hope this helps.


I think people mostly just don't understand Title IX or are offended by it. Those 85 football scholarships have to be balanced out in equal numbers for women's sports. Most top D1 schools have a lot more women's varsity sports as a result. Indiana has women's only sports including field hockey, rowing, volleyball and water polo. Men's only would be wrestling and football. Now I'm going to assume that women's softball gets full rides and wrestling is a partial scholarship like baseball. It takes a lot of extra ladies to balance out those football rides.

[coachnip13]

How on the world could you claim a scholarship = a full ride scholarship?

Because I know what a Head Count sport is. If you refuse to learn what other people already know, then you'll be that guy who is arguing the same thing a year from now despite being told otherwise.

Ask anybody on the street and they would say a scholarship is money given to a student, not necessarily a full scholarship.

People on the street know about as much as you do. That doesn't change the facts.

The line you italicized proves that "scholarship" does not inherently imply a "full ride scholarship".

Except, of course, for the part that says "they are full scholarships". Head Count sports are full scholarship, full ride sports. I don't care if you get it or not. That's what they are.

Regardless of this juvenile discussion if scholarship = full ride, my original opinion that college has become far too expensive for any student, athlete or not, remains unchanged.

I'm not interested in your opinion, but thanks for sharing anyway. I just hope you're not too stubborn to have actually learned something about full scholarships.

[coachnip13]

I think people mostly just don't understand Title IX or are offended by it. Those 85 football scholarships have to be balanced out in equal numbers for women's sports. Most top D1 schools have a lot more women's varsity sports as a result. Indiana has women's only sports including field hockey, rowing, volleyball and water polo. Men's only would be wrestling and football. Now I'm going to assume that women's softball gets full rides and wrestling is a partial scholarship like baseball. It takes a lot of extra ladies to balance out those football rides.

Yeah, I wasn't going to completely freak that guy out by bringing Title IX into it. Too much for one day. You are right that Title IX is exactly why the discrepancies exist. Schools were dropping successful men's sports and adding women's sports just to be in compliance.

[Hollywood42]

Why do you sound so bitter?

And, you know, you started this entire thing my responding to my opinion, and then completely ignoring it afterwards, soooo

Because I know what a Head Count sport is. If you refuse to learn what other people already know, then you'll be that guy who is arguing the same thing a year from now despite being told otherwise.

People on the street know about as much as you do. That doesn't change the facts.

Except, of course, for the part that says "they are full scholarships". Head Count sports are full scholarship, full ride sports. I don't care if you get it or not. That's what they are.

I'm not interested in your opinion, but thanks for sharing anyway. I just hope you're not too stubborn to have actually learned something about full scholarships.

[coachnip13]

Why do you sound so bitter?

And, you know, you started this entire thing my responding to my opinion, and then completely ignoring it afterwards, soooo

It could have been a good discussion. When you showed that you (1) don't know anything about the topic and (2) you don't care about learning anything about the topic, your opinion becomes useless.

But that's the 21st century message board. You're right and you're going to stick your fingers in your ears and stomp your feet no matter what anyone tells you.

[Hollywood42]

I did actually learn some things and I was going to credit you, but you never gave me the chance and claimed I didn't care about learning before I could. You're the guy that claimed I was bitter towards college athletes just a few posts into this thread, after all. I won't respond to your inevitable coming response insinuating I'm an idiot (gotta love those 21st century message boards) so everyone can get back to the actual purpose of this thread. Thank you for the incredibly enriching experience

It could have been a good discussion. When you showed that you (1) don't know anything about the topic and (2) you don't care about learning anything about the topic, your opinion becomes useless.

But that's the 21st century message board. You're right and you're going to stick your fingers in your ears and stomp your feet no matter what anyone tells you.

[coachnip13]

I won't respond to your inevitable coming response insinuating I'm an idiot (gotta love those 21st century message boards).

"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent."

[IUjapander]

"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent."

What exactly are you arguing for?

Do you think women shouldn't get scholarships for sports
Do you think men should get more scholarships
Do you think only revenue generating sports should get scholarships

[coachnip13]

What exactly are you arguing for?

Do you think women shouldn't get scholarships for sports
Do you think men should get more scholarships
Do you think only revenue generating sports should get scholarships

1) Yes, women should get scholarships for sports.
2) No, I do not think that men should get more scholarships.
3) No, I do not think only revenue-generating sports should get scholarships.

This is going to be deep, so hold on. Sports should be funded with more thought given to roster size. A college baseball team needs close to 30 players, but they have to do it with 11.7 scholarships. A college volleyball team needs 16-18 players, and they get 12 scholarships. That is the issue being discussed in the article.

[ksemmel]

I played 2 spots at a D3 college and graduated last year (2015). Took over a full year to get a full time job (just started 3 weeks ago) and it's nothing relevant in my field on study. I went to a small private school, had a roughly 50% scholarship due to "academics" and still $100,000 in debt (not counting interest).

[mfw13]

The opportunity cost is that your minor league career (and if you make it your MLB career) get started four years later, which is why most highly drafted high school players don't go to college.

It's mostly the guys who get drafted after the first couple of rounds who play college baseball, not the top high school prospects.

[IUjapander]

1) Yes, women should get scholarships for sports.
2) No, I do not think that men should get more scholarships.
3) No, I do not think only revenue-generating sports should get scholarships.

This is going to be deep, so hold on. Sports should be funded with more thought given to roster size. A college baseball team needs close to 30 players, but they have to do it with 11.7 scholarships. A college volleyball team needs 16-18 players, and they get 12 scholarships. That is the issue being discussed in the article.

Then I agree with you. I have season tickets to Indiana, and love college baseball. My daughter also loves the games. But I wouldn't give away opportunities for her, simply because softball/volleyball/whatever doesn't make any money. I was sure the crux of your augment was that women don't deserve scolarships, that men do. I apologize for misunderstanding

[coachnip13]

I was sure the crux of your augment was that women don't deserve scolarships, that men do. I apologize for misunderstanding.

Absolutely not. Thanks for asking for clarification.

[mainerunr]

I have my own views on Title IX based on personal experience.

I've seen outstanding athletes get nothing because mens track had 2 scholarships to split among 3 seasons while mediocre women got scholarships because they had 11 or 12 to cover womens track...and they had about 2/3 the number of athletes that the men had. (Heck, I know a guy who made the final in the Olympic Trials who had 1/4 scholarship while women who couldn't even qualify for New Englands were getting half.)

To me, if softball gets 12 scholarships, baseball should get 12. Mens and womens soccer should get the same, mens and womens track and cross country should be the same, etc. Trying to offset football, a sport in which no womens equivalent exists and which raises the most revenue is where things fall apart.


As for the cost of schools, the NYT published an article disproving the theory that the reason for tuition rate increases was due to reduced funding. They found that funding has increased across the board. They also found an explosion of administrative positions over the last 20 years that has grossly inflated the administrative costs. Professor pay was actually down as more schools moved to part time professors to cut costs. The reality is they need to cut down on administrative positions and paper pushers.

[GoBeavs]

I have my own views on Title IX based on personal experience.

I've seen outstanding athletes get nothing because mens track had 2 scholarships to split among 3 seasons while mediocre women got scholarships because they had 11 or 12 to cover womens track...and they had about 2/3 the number of athletes that the men had. (Heck, I know a guy who made the final in the Olympic Trials who had 1/4 scholarship while women who couldn't even qualify for New Englands were getting half.)

To me, if softball gets 12 scholarships, baseball should get 12. Mens and womens soccer should get the same, mens and womens track and cross country should be the same, etc. Trying to offset football, a sport in which no womens equivalent exists and which raises the most revenue is where things fall apart.


As for the cost of schools, the NYT published an article disproving the theory that the reason for tuition rate increases was due to reduced funding. They found that funding has increased across the board. They also found an explosion of administrative positions over the last 20 years that has grossly inflated the administrative costs. Professor pay was actually down as more schools moved to part time professors to cut costs. The reality is they need to cut down on administrative positions and paper pushers.

Great post. Title IX is great for providing opportunities, but football really needs to be removed (or reduced) from the equation. Not sure how that would be done, but since it funds almost all the other sports (men AND women), it should be treated differently. Probably will never happen though since the program is pretty well entrenched.

I guess I'm not surprised to hear that admin is the biggest reason for the cost increase since that's what has also been driving the K-12 costs beyond reason. I wonder how much of those admin increases is a result of frivolous lawsuits and legislation from the past few decades.

[CURLYW]

Exactly. Some non-athletes will get awarded grants but most will end up with piles of debt just like the college baseball players.

I found this part to be a bit whiney:

"“The financial part of this is ridiculous,” Coastal Carolina coach Gary Gilmore says. “Moms and dads are spending almost $100,000 in four years, whereas football and basketball and a lot of women’s sports have tons of full scholarships. I’m asking guys that turned into professional minor leaguers to take 25 percent (of a scholarship). It’s just not fair.”

Well coach Gilmore, basketball and football are revenue generating sports that bring in millions of dollars and help support non-revenue generating sports like baseball. Without basketball and football, does he really think baseball or other sports would survive? The players that choose to play college ball and accept a partial scholarship had a choice...deal with it.
Clearly you didnt read. So go ahead and read again and pay attention to the amount of revenue it makes and how much more than other college sports it makes.

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[CURLYW]

It's been ten years since I've graduated and I have two degrees from two nice private schools and I did most of it on loans and it is no way near 140k. I'm not saying he lying, and I know that isn't really the point of the story, but man that seems high. My bosses kid is about to go to the state university and for a four year degree it should cost him right around 100k. 140k seems really high
As if the cost of things hasnt changed in 10 years? Your argument is pointless and clearly your student debt didnt involve simple ecilonomics.

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[CURLYW]

It's not bitterness...it's reality. Let's use your #'s....a student-athlete gets $9k to play a game. Let that sink in. How many hours would a regular student have to work to make that same $9k in a school year? Sorry, but calling it bitterness is grossly oversimplifying how others actually see it.
College students
At my job make 15 starting.
I take it you're not a detective.


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[Anubis50]

Really good read

[Hollywood42]

Where do you work? Sign me up....

College students
At my job make 15 starting.

[jstephens24]

get a 2 year degree in instrumentation or process technology and work in chemical plant. We start out at 27.14 and top out at 41.91 after 4.5 years. 3% cost of living raise every year