Immaculate price at $700 per box now??!!

[crazymj]

Don't know if anyone else noticed, but i been watching the immaculate presale hoping to get some cases. blowoutcards opened it at $3200 for 5 box case which was already a record high compare to the other years. And now its jumped to $3475 now for a 5 box case which comes out to almost $700 a box!
There's only 6 cards per box meaning now each card has an average price of $100+. Anyone else think thats kinda ridiculous considering there's probably going to be only 2-3 cards worth even over $100 in the case. I had opened a sign up for a case but now i'm second thought about it considering how expensive it is now.

2015/16 Panini Immaculate Basketball Hobby 5 Box Case - $3,474.95 : Blowout Cards - Sports Cards and Trading Cards Wholesale Online Store (http://www.blowoutcards.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_58&products_id=12160)

[bcubs]

As great as Immaculate is no way is it worth this much.

[jcardstore]

Wow Panini is getting really greedy lol

[hychang5]

Flawmacculate?

[kobemagee29]

Wow Panini is getting really greedy lol
Panini has nothing g to do with it!!!

[dbaks]

Group Breaks....this is what is driving the price up. With so many people doing group breaks of high end, the prices can go up and up, and each break slot only feels it slightly compared to the number of people who open personal cases.

Just my 2 cents

[IndySportsCards]

Wow Panini is getting really greedy lol

I doubt it's Panini.

[benz35]

man cant afford group breaks anymore... ill have to wait for player breaks then and luck out.. hahahahahha

[dasiegel]

I doubt it's Panini.

It's not Panini and it's not the distributors... I'll give you a guess who it is...

[jcardstore]

It's not Panini and it's not the distributors... I'll give you a guess who it is...

Interesting, I just figured Panini raised their prices and it trickled down

[TheTimeIsNow]

At that price, if every box had a KAT, Kobe, and KD, you still wouldn't get your money back.

[Orangejello727]

Just wait for the group break guys to take the gamble. Then sit on eBay and cherry pick the cards you want at decent prices as they list them.

[itsjustcardboar]

You need to build some relationships with a few LCS. They get it at distributor cost still.

[tommywillsburg]

It's not Panini and it's not the distributors... I'll give you a guess who it is...

hopefully the price goes down, same thing happened with NT, then eventually it went down when other dealers started selling online

[ChampCards]

Do you guys think the prices will come back down?
I noticed all the previous years of Immaculate have gone back down to around $550 a box now.

[indyguy]

man cant afford group breaks anymore... ill have to wait for player breaks then and luck out.. hahahahahha

Just stick to singles about a month or two down the road.

That is where I am at now.

[Skybox]

Direct cost is $335/box ... Somebody's making a killing

[tommywillsburg]

it might be the only way some lcs can stay in business, they have to put up with selling junk most of the time

[Birdman]

Wowowow tyats tooo much now

[dasiegel]

Interesting, I just figured Panini raised their prices and it trickled down

Yes until I met a few guys who own LCS's I had no clue what really goes down.

hopefully the price goes down, same thing happened with NT, then eventually it went down when other dealers started selling online

Don't hold your breath. They switched the NT and Immac releases and Immac is scheduled to release around the time of the National... it's not going down.

Direct cost is $335/box ... Somebody's making a killing

Yea, a few guys I know am getting really sick deals on these boxes but it's (for me anyway) a really small quantity. But it's a situation where the big sellers are basically doubling their prices... because they know people will pay them and it'll help sell group breaks.

So use your head boys, this has been a free tip from a man who has seen both sides of the coin:coffee:

[LeonfromNC]

You need to build some relationships with a few LCS. They get it at distributor cost still.

This. Just network and be a good customer. It pays off in the end.

[tommywillsburg]

Yes until I met a few guys who own LCS's I had no clue what really goes down.



Don't hold your breath. They switched the NT and Immac releases and Immac is scheduled to release around the time of the National... it's not going down.



Yea, a few guys I know am getting really sick deals on these boxes but it's (for me anyway) a really small quantity. But it's a situation where the big sellers are basically doubling their prices... because they know people will pay them and it'll help sell group breaks.

So use your head boys, this has been a free tip from a man who has seen both sides of the coin:coffee:

Immaculate is coming out way after nationals

[Jpayne7787]

Does this mean if I can get it for $425 a box I should jump on it?

[Litwing]

That's exactly what i predicted in another thread. $700 = $116 to buy a team break in a case. Very affordable for some groups of breakers.

Panini is not stupid, they will push the price to the limit where some ppl still can afford at the amount they produced.

[LeonfromNC]

Does this mean if I can get it for $425 a box I should jump on it?

Uh duh :cool:

[Jpayne7787]

Uh duh :cool:

Lol this just sounds too good to be true so I just wanted to make sure I'm seeing this right. How is the LCS so much cheaper than say blowout? Not that I'm complaining or anything...

[daviswr7]

Interested in seeing where this lands. Can this go higher? What is driving these pre-sale prices? Sell sheet? Are the "other" sites charging these prices? Direct is less then half that...cra-cra!

[dasiegel]

Immaculate is coming out way after nationals

2 weeks is way after? That means there could be previews at the National like as has been done with NT in the past.

Does this mean if I can get it for $425 a box I should jump on it?

:D

That's exactly what i predicted in another thread. $700 = $116 to buy a team break in a case. Very affordable for some groups of breakers.

Panini is not stupid, they will push the price to the limit where some ppl still can afford at the amount they produced.

Panini's price is basically the sae as in year's past, need to blame someone else.

Interested in seeing where this lands. Can this go higher? What is driving these pre-sale prices? Sell sheet? Are the "other" sites charging these prices? Direct is less then half that...cra-cra!

It'll go up if it's sick like half the forum thinks it will be. If it is a bust or the first day or two of boxes are bloodbaths it will stay the same or even go down.

[drobfan8]

That's a lot of $$$ for a box. Ouch.

So what will be busted at the National then? Preferred?

[jprk31]

Singles for me. Prices of boxes are getting out of hand and the value is getting less.

[Xiarmadillo]

Singles for me. Prices of boxes are getting out of hand and the value is getting less.


If you have a $300 item and try to sell for $700, only idiots will buy it.
If you have $300 item and you raffle off 100 tickets for $7 each a few more people will buy it.
If now instead of having a $300 item you have a 50/50 chance of a $10 or $590 item and you raffle off 100 ticket for $7, even more people will buy it!

edit: alot of people dont value by probability, they value by possibility

[Ferg1945]

Don't know if anyone else noticed, but i been watching the immaculate presale hoping to get some cases. blowoutcards opened it at $3200 for 5 box case which was already a record high compare to the other years. And now its jumped to $3475 now for a 5 box case which comes out to almost $700 a box!
There's only 6 cards per box meaning now each card has an average price of $100+. Anyone else think thats kinda ridiculous considering there's probably going to be only 2-3 cards worth even over $100 in the case. I had opened a sign up for a case but now i'm second thought about it considering how expensive it is now.

2015/16 Panini Immaculate Basketball Hobby 5 Box Case - $3,474.95 : Blowout Cards - Sports Cards and Trading Cards Wholesale Online Store (http://www.blowoutcards.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_58&products_id=12160)


And Immaculate is the same every year. 6 cards

1 Worthless base card /99

1 Worthless jersey card

1 Semi Worthless autograph

1 Somewhat Worthless autograph jersey

1 Box Hit

1 Other Semi nice looking... yet not worth a damn card

and you have to hope that Box Hit is a $600 card... or ur in a wolrd of hurt

[inopethflames]

i think presell on first year of immaculate was 275, and it may have been 265 or less, its hard to remember now. 700 a box is ridiculous, 600, 500 are all ridiculous. low 400's and maybe itd be reasonable, and thats primarily because it mostly looks so good and has still unique things with the jumbo patches, etc.

also if anyone wants 3 empty boxes of 12-13 immac series 1, send me a pm.

[trixstar]

Here's a thought...don't join group breaks.

[yaoming]

Same game every year.
It s the distributor jacking up price to "compensate" for having to absorb all the "bad" products from panini in order to get allocation


So who s fault is this?
Make your own conclusion

Dont forget that most cases will get you 2-3 nice cards over $100 . It s been like that every year


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[dasiegel]

Here's a thought...don't join group breaks.

DING!:)!

Same game every year.
It s the distributor jacking up price to "compensate" for having to absorb all the "bad" products from panini in order to get allocation


So who s fault is this?
Make your own conclusion

Dont forget that most cases will get you 2-3 nice cards over $100 . It s been like that every year


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Nope not the distributor but we are getting closer:doh::coffee::cool::p

[valleyofsun]

If you have a $300 item and try to sell for $700, only idiots will buy it.
If you have $300 item and you raffle off 100 tickets for $7 each a few more people will buy it.
If now instead of having a $300 item you have a 50/50 chance of a $10 or $590 item and you raffle off 100 ticket for $7, even more people will buy it!

edit: alot of people dont value by probability, they value by possibility

Spot on dillo. And Poonini will just continue to thrive over this group break mentality of stupidity.

Here's a thought...don't join group breaks.

I've been saying this for a few years now. Most people are not listening and continue to get their junkie fix. :doh::doh::doh:

[Orangejello727]

The only thing absurd here is the people who think they are being forced to do something they dont want to do.

If you think wax is to expensive to bust, then dont bust it.
If you think group breaks are stupid, then dont join them.
If you think buying singles is the best way to go about it, then all power to you and do it.

No one is forcing you to do anything you dont want to. There are choices. YOU make the choice that best fits your needs and wants.

For those who join group breaks and bust wax and expensive prices, let them. Maybe they find value in risk, or the excitement in opening up packs at getting something nice. Maybe thats what they pay for? Maybe those who dont bust wax and buy singles find no excitement in cracking wax and their excitement is found in just simply buying the card? Who knows. What we do know is we have choices. Make the choice that best fits you.

[LeonfromNC]

The only thing absurd here is the people who think they are being forced to do something they dont want to do.

If you think wax is to expensive to bust, then dont bust it.
If you think group breaks are stupid, then dont join them.
If you think buying singles is the best way to go about it, then all power to you and do it.

No one is forcing you to do anything you dont want to. There are choices. YOU make the choice that best fits your needs and wants.

For those who join group breaks and bust wax and expensive prices, let them. Maybe they find value in risk, or the excitement in opening up packs at getting something nice. Maybe thats what they pay for? Maybe those who dont bust wax and buy singles find no excitement in cracking wax and their excitement is found in just simply buying the card? Who knows. What we do know is we have choices. Make the choice that best fits you.

Amen brother.

I always buy 2 cases every year of immaculate and this year is no different. I just make sure I pay wholesale and not retail though :)

[M4YH3M1]

Distributors aren't even 'absorbing' any type of loss throughout the year.
They make profit on EVERYTHING!!!
But they jack the prices on the high end cause there are people who can afford it and people who will group break it.

There is ONLY ONE REASON the price is so high...
PURE GREED of companies like Blowout, DACW, steelcity etc. etc

Immac is $1700 a case direct from Panini, but its $3k+ from these guys!

That kind of mark-up at 70%+ is disgusting! :mad:

The ONLY thing people can do to reverse the trend is to buy product from their LCS.
The only way your LCS gets more allocation of the high end is to sell more of the low-end.
Hence why the big boys get the lions share of the high end, they sell truck-loads of the low-end.

Same game every year.
It s the distributor jacking up price to "compensate" for having to absorb all the "bad" products from panini in order to get allocation


So who s fault is this?
Make your own conclusion

Dont forget that most cases will get you 2-3 nice cards over $100 . It s been like that every year


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[carl2001]

^do you have direct knowledge of all this?

[15ncounting]

I can guarantee on my side that my dealer is getting it for $1700/pr case, direct. He flat out told me, then he said -- since he does not get every product they throw out (because of the low local support) he cant order everything, they limited him to only one case of Immac this year.. Very hard for the average shops to compete.

[M4YH3M1]

^do you have direct knowledge of all this?

Yes, I have seen the solicitation from Panini which goes to the distributors/wholesalers.

[jj2]

Distributors aren't even 'absorbing' any type of loss throughout the year.
They make profit on EVERYTHING!!!
But they jack the prices on the high end cause there are people who can afford it and people who will group break it.

There is ONLY ONE REASON the price is so high...
PURE GREED of companies like Blowout, DACW, steelcity etc. etc

Immac is $1700 a case direct from Panini, but its $3k+ from these guys!

That kind of mark-up at 70%+ is disgusting! :mad:

The ONLY thing people can do to reverse the trend is to buy product from their LCS.
The only way your LCS gets more allocation of the high end is to sell more of the low-end.
Hence why the big boys get the lions share of the high end, they sell truck-loads of the low-end.

The reason the price is so high is because that's what people are apparently prepared to pay. That's not greed, that's business. You'd be a foolish businessman to sell a product for less than the market value in a situation like this.

[M4YH3M1]

With high end products like Immac/Flawless there is also the much debated '2nd wave' cases.
Let me tell you, for some high end products IT DOES EXIST!
Now we have seen in particular certain cards get held back in products to encourage the ongoing busting by collectors. eg; ODB /TeddyB RPA's last years NT NFL release..

However regardless of holding back certain cards, there is another reason for it..
Panini only sells a certain amount of high end cases to being with, maybe its 50% on the first solicitation.
Once that is sold out, Panini will claim 'its sold out' .But it really isn't.
For distributors/wholesalers/LCS's to get any more of it, they have to buy cases of Panini bottom feeder product so that Panini can empty their warehouse of this crap.

So previously in one actual example they've had to buy 2 cases of prizm hobby or jumbo to get 1 case of high end. (can't remember if it was NT or something else)

I am waiting to hear more, but I am guessing this year we'll have to buy two cases of clear vision or revolution to get one case of Immac. (maybe they'll make it 3 considering how awful these products sold)
But again, the retail prices of these products have dropped since release. BUT you have to buy those obligatory cases at initial release price to qualify. LOLOLOL
Try selling clear vision or revolution basketball at release price now!! haha

And that is the vicious cycle.

And yes this is all true and yes I have first hand experience of this.

[carl2001]

^aw crap. are you a dealer or card shop owner? i love to hear all your experiences and how this product allocation work and other stuff like this

[jj2]

With high end products like Immac/Flawless there is also the much debated '2nd wave' cases.
Let me tell you, for some high end products IT DOES EXIST!
Now we have seen in particular certain cards get held back in products to encourage the ongoing busting by collectors. eg; ODB /TeddyB RPA's last years NT NFL release..

However regardless of holding back certain cards, there is another reason for it..
Panini only sells a certain amount of high end cases to being with, maybe its 50% on the first solicitation.
Once that is sold out, Panini will claim 'its sold out' .But it really isn't.
For distributors/wholesalers/LCS's to get any more of it, they have to buy cases of Panini bottom feeder product so that Panini can empty their warehouse of this crap.

So previously in one actual example they've had to buy 2 cases of prizm hobby or jumbo to get 1 case of high end. (can't remember if it was NT or something else)

I am waiting to hear more, but I am guessing this year we'll have to buy two cases of clear vision or revolution to get one case of Immac. (maybe they'll make it 3 considering how awful these products sold)
But again, the retail prices of these products have dropped since release. BUT you have to buy those obligatory cases at initial release price to qualify. LOLOLOL
Try selling clear vision or revolution basketball at release price now!! haha

And that is the vicious cycle.

And yes this is all true and yes I have first hand experience of this.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

[tommywillsburg]

With high end products like Immac/Flawless there is also the much debated '2nd wave' cases.
Let me tell you, for some high end products IT DOES EXIST!
Now we have seen in particular certain cards get held back in products to encourage the ongoing busting by collectors. eg; ODB /TeddyB RPA's last years NT NFL release..

However regardless of holding back certain cards, there is another reason for it..
Panini only sells a certain amount of high end cases to being with, maybe its 50% on the first solicitation.
Once that is sold out, Panini will claim 'its sold out' .But it really isn't.
For distributors/wholesalers/LCS's to get any more of it, they have to buy cases of Panini bottom feeder product so that Panini can empty their warehouse of this crap.

So previously in one actual example they've had to buy 2 cases of prizm hobby or jumbo to get 1 case of high end. (can't remember if it was NT or something else)

I am waiting to hear more, but I am guessing this year we'll have to buy two cases of clear vision or revolution to get one case of Immac. (maybe they'll make it 3 considering how awful these products sold)
But again, the retail prices of these products have dropped since release. BUT you have to buy those obligatory cases at initial release price to qualify. LOLOLOL
Try selling clear vision or revolution basketball at release price now!! haha

And that is the vicious cycle.

And yes this is all true and yes I have first hand experience of this.

panini needs some competition so they will stop screwing customers and dealers.

[pigeonsbaseball]

Distributors aren't even 'absorbing' any type of loss throughout the year.
They make profit on EVERYTHING!!!
But they jack the prices on the high end cause there are people who can afford it and people who will group break it.

There is ONLY ONE REASON the price is so high...
PURE GREED of companies like Blowout, DACW, steelcity etc. etc

Immac is $1700 a case direct from Panini, but its $3k+ from these guys!

That kind of mark-up at 70%+ is disgusting! :mad:

The ONLY thing people can do to reverse the trend is to buy product from their LCS.
The only way your LCS gets more allocation of the high end is to sell more of the low-end.
Hence why the big boys get the lions share of the high end, they sell truck-loads of the low-end.

M4 obviously has experience but unless I read wrong the two posts conflict each other a bit.

I have first hand experience as well.

I've dealt with distributors on these products and through 2012/13 distributors pretty much allocated a percentage based on how much you bought overall. After the massive success 2012/13 Flawless and Immaculate everything changed.

The next year 13/14 Panini changed that deal with the distributors and you then had to buy say 2 cases of Spectra to get one NT or Flawless or Immaculate. Or some other variation, 6 cases of Spectra gets you one of each... 13/14 drove my small little side business out.

Distributors don't make money on everything, that is definitely not true. If you've ever seen a distributors inventory sheet you would know how much junk they are sitting on.

So to say the cost of Immaculate is $1700 well that's not factoring in the rest of the story. You spent $3,000 on Spectra which is worth $2,000 you're sitting at $4,700 in with two cases of Spectra and one Immaculate. So what is the cost of Immaculate? Not $1,700.

Panini makes the distributors buy so much crap to get these premium products the distributors pass that along to the resellers and then onto the buyers and each company has their own overhead and they do need to make a profit too.

[tommywillsburg]

M4 obviously has experience but unless I read wrong the two posts conflict each other a bit.

I have first hand experience as well.

I've dealt with distributors on these products and through 2012/13 distributors pretty much allocated a percentage based on how much you bought overall. After the massive success 2012/13 Flawless and Immaculate everything changed.

The next year 13/14 Panini changed that deal with the distributors and you then had to buy say 2 cases of Spectra to get one NT or Flawless or Immaculate. Or some other variation, 6 cases of Spectra gets you one of each... 13/14 drove my small little side business out.

Distributors don't make money on everything, that is definitely not true. If you've ever seen a distributors inventory sheet you would know how much junk they are sitting on.

So to say the cost of Immaculate is $1700 well that's not factoring in the rest of the story. You spent $3,000 on Spectra which is worth $2,000 you're sitting at $4,700 in with two cases of Spectra and one Immaculate. So what is the cost of Immaculate? Not $1,700.

Panini makes the distributors buy so much crap to get these premium products the distributors pass that along to the resellers and then onto the buyers and each company has their own overhead and they do need to make a profit too.

excellent post

[M4YH3M1]

So to say the cost of Immaculate is $1700 well that's not factoring in the rest of the story. You spent $3,000 on Spectra which is worth $2,000 you're sitting at $4,700 in with two cases of Spectra and one Immaculate. So what is the cost of Immaculate? Not $1,700.

Maybe you missed my other post?

The FIRST 'wave' or the initial release of Immac there is no prerequisite to buy the crap products.

Meaning there is possibly 100-300 (or whatever) cases of product that Blowout/DACW/SCC etc, each get at the $1700 Panini release price (because of the whole season worth of other products they've sold to make Panini $$$$) without having to buy any other products.

These are the cases that are selling on their websites at PRE-RELEASE for $3000-3500. :)!

(Panini during this time has made the offer to distributors to 'chain' a couple of cases of their low end products to it to get any more of the Immac - which you agree you know happens)

AFTER product release day, what happens..? =>The price goes up!

Partly due of course to new high end product hype, and partly because these are the cases that they secured by buying the crud cases of Revolution/etc... which they might have to carry for a while and possibly sell at cost. Never at a loss.
(LCS's might take a loss in this process, but not the big boys)

So what I'm saying is; The price of the product NEVER changes from Panini. NEVER EVER.
The products that Panini chain to the high end as package deals changes as they require to move their inventory.
That's smart on Panini's behalf, but the 70% price hike from these distributors is a fking axxhole move. :mad::mad::mad:

[M4YH3M1]

panini needs some competition so they will stop screwing customers and dealers.

It's not Panini causing the high price, read my last post.

The only way Panini has screwed us is by claiming an exclusive license for NBA and now NFL and likely more sports in the future.

We now have no MJ Bulls autos being made, no Bron Cavs autos being made, no Ben Simmons RPA's.. No licensed upper deck Exquisite, no upper deck black, no Topps Finest... no Fleer Flair..

That is the real crime in the hobby, but that's a conversation that's been had a thousand times before.

[BruceS]

In the end it´s all about the money, this is the things that really makes me sad.
Panini didn´t get their exclusive NBA license just like that, they offered the most $!
I´m sure that the NBA could have split the license between Panini/Topps/Upper Deck and in the end they could have had the same amount of $.
The NBA only wants to generate $$$, no matter how. Why didn´t anyone think of the fan base, the collector`s etc.?
In the end it´s up to us if we buy the crap they are producing. When I see all these bad products coming out, one after the other it starts making me angry.
This hobby was so much fun, back in the days when it really was a hobby( of course companys had to make money back in the days too, but you didn´t feel ripped off like in these days). Today it´s just business. How to sell a bad product for the highest possible price. Shame on you Panini/NBA!!!! Again and again and again!