Chargers expected to exercise option for L.A. move

[trixstar]

San Diego Chargers to exercise team option to move to Los Angeles in 2017 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18183812/san-diego-chargers-exercise-team-option-move-los-angeles-2017?ex_cid=espntw&sf44434668=1)

SAN DIEGO -- Barring a miracle, the San Diego Chargers are expected to exercise the team's option to move to Los Angeles in 2017, sources told ESPN's Jim Trotter.

During the NFL owners meetings in January, in which the league approved the relocation of the Rams to Los Angeles, the Chargers were granted the option to relocate to L.A. with a deadline of Jan. 15, 2017.

Chargers chairman Dean Spanos has to alert the league that he intends to exercise that option by next month's deadline.

The Chargers received only 43 percent approval on Measure C in November. The team's $1.8 billion plan proposed raising hotel taxes from 12.5 percent to 16.5 percent to secure $1.15 billion in bonds to help pay for the stadium project.

The citizens' ballot initiative required two-thirds of the voting public within city limits to approve the project, an extremely high bar for the team to reach.
"Dean has said that he wants everyone to be able to focus on the remainder of the Chargers' season, and so [he] won't be making any final decisions until after the season is over," said Mark Fabiani, the point person on the stadium situation for the Chargers. "That hasn't changed."

The Chargers have a tenant-lease agreement with Rams owner Stan Kroenke that lowers the team's risk because they do not have to borrow money for construction of the $2.6 billion project.

The Rams and Chargers would jointly share revenue such as naming rights, suites, sponsors and advertising. The teams would be on their own to sell season tickets and personal seat licenses.

Kroenke has motivation to complete a deal with the Chargers, because he cannot begin selling personal seat licenses until reaching a decision on whether the Chargers or Raiders will relocate to Los Angeles.

However, the risk for Spanos is that the franchise would be on the hook for a $650 million relocation fee paid over 10 years, determined during the January owners meeting in Houston.

The Chargers also would have to purchase land and construct a practice facility, which would cost tens of millions of dollars.

NFL owners discussed the Raiders moving to Las Vegas during a committee meeting in New York in November. Raiders owner Mark Davis has told the league he plans on filing for relocation to move his franchise to Las Vegas in January.

The Raiders' and the Chargers' stadium situation will be up for discussion at a December NFL owners meeting in Dallas.

[quackhead]

Just more fluff for the newspapers and sports tv/radio talk shows. Rams attendance levels are one of the lowest in the league. Granted the Coliseum is a dump, but I don't see LA sustaining two NFL teams.

[JWBlue]

As much as I dislike how the Spanos are running the team, I give them credit for really wanting to stay in San Diego.

This is a negotiating tactic.

[twenty4seven]

It's all about equitable market.

Los Angeles is a big city with a huge population but historically they do not spend much on their NFL teams.

The Chargers have an equally lax market in San Diego. The stadium is one of the most decrepit and aging stadiums in the league, and for good reason; measures to improve the stadium or build a new one were voted down by its' residents over many years. There are visceral die hard fans there but they are a waning percentage of the population and seem to be a populous minority.

It's perplexing how great cities lose a major sports franchise. Southern California is a huge market for entertainment and has no real problem with marketing or garnering profit in luxury sales, yet, the NBA is really the only large sports venue there that pulls in a hungry base. Sure, the Dodgers have experienced a growth in success lately, but how could you fail with the amount of money being spent on that team with no viable salary cap?

Could moving the Chargers to LA ignite a rivalry between the Rams and Chargers? Perhaps, but it's a significant gamble considering the placid fan base in recent history. There is no doubt that diehard Chargers fans would make the short trek north to LA to attend the games on Sunday, but would it be enough?

I believe that it's owner arrogance believing that their product could sustain such a move and be more profitable in a different market, yet invest little of their own money to improve of market a team. Take a look at the Chargers contract debacle with Joey Bosa for example; they were willing to gamble dollars and change against their first round draft pick; they have done little to upgrade their stadium in 20 years and still expect fans to be excited. It's silly. When owners forget where the money actually comes from, they lose sight of a profitable market. Give this recipe a few decades and you lose. The money always falls from the top: Don't invest in your product and no one spends to support it.

Equally, the Raiders are vying for a move to Las Vegas, where they believe that the casino industry will supply them with a valid fan base. Ridiculous! I get it, Las Vegas is a growing city, but if anyone thinks folks are moving there to spend money on attending sports events or adhering to a team, they are nearly perfectly wrong. Redbull events, bull riding, and NASCAR are unique markets with either, very limited seating, very limited annual events, or a roadie fan base. You can host an event but it does not equal an avid local fan base.

I understand that marketing moguls understand WAY more than I do but I have personally watched and witnessed the Cardinals organization from it's move to Phoenix in 1989 and vastly struggle through decades of marketing and local support. It hasn't been since the construction of The University of Phoenix Stadium in 2006 that the brand basked in any real profitable success. Before the stadium, ticket sales teetered on a fine balance of Cardinals fans and fans of the opposing team filling the seats. Even with this swampy reliability on ticket sales, it took many years to supplant and form an equitable fan base.

My approach on viewing the profit and market side of sports is: Let sleeping dogs lie. I can enjoy the nature of sports as long as I enjoy it as cheaply as I can. As a consumer, my intent is to root for my team (costs nothing), and let the proprietors and investors market their own product. I can budget how many times a month I eat a tenderloin steak or attend a game, and they can budget how many millions they spend on improving their product.

If the product stinks; don't buy it.

[SethMurphy]

Just more fluff for the newspapers and sports tv/radio talk shows. Rams attendance levels are one of the lowest in the league. Granted the Coliseum is a dump, but I don't see LA sustaining two NFL teams.

You realize the Rams are averaging 86,000 fans per home game this season?

Which if ESPN's averages are right, would put them second in the league to only Dallas.

According to Pro Football Reference, these are the Rams home game attendance numbers

Week 2 - 91,046
Week 5 - 83,679
Week 7 - 74,121 (actually London, so don't count this one)
Week 9 - 86,109
Week 11- 83,483

so they have had 4 home games in LA this season, so 86,079 per game, second best in football.

Get your facts straight before making a statement like that.





That said, I don't think LA should be supporting two teams, although the Giants/Jets are fifth and sixth in attendance in the same stadium.

[BostonNut]

Loooooos Angeles SUPER CHARRRRRRRRGEEERRRSSSSSS just does not have the same ring to it...:(

[packman80]

SD had chance to keep them without paying out of own pocket taxes with hotel room tax. Voted down so it's clear the citizens have no interest in keeping the team. The team and city tried so can't blame them.

[seabass97166]

We don't want them!! (We don't want the Rams either)

Raiders vs SD would be 90% Raider fans.

[quackhead]

You realize the Rams are averaging 86,000 fans per home game this season?

Which if ESPN's averages are right, would put them second in the league to only Dallas.

According to Pro Football Reference, these are the Rams home game attendance numbers

Week 2 - 91,046
Week 5 - 83,679
Week 7 - 74,121 (actually London, so don't count this one)
Week 9 - 86,109
Week 11- 83,483

so they have had 4 home games in LA this season, so 86,079 per game, second best in football.

Get your facts straight before making a statement like that.





That said, I don't think LA should be supporting two teams, although the Giants/Jets are fifth and sixth in attendance in the same stadium.


Sorry I should have been more clear. I was basing my statement off of a couple articles stating that the Rams were under 90% capacity rate at the Coliseum, which is one of the lowest in the league. I did not really look at the total numbers per game. Plus the TV ratings were down as well.

[hairysasquatch]

Seems like they should see if the Rams do OK before diving in headlong.

[bziddy]

The Spanos family is in it for the payday, which will be huge for them. I'd rather go watch the Aztecs any day of the week anyhow.

[SethMurphy]

The Spanos family is in it for the payday, which will be huge for them. I'd rather go watch the Aztecs any day of the week anyhow.

That's the truth isn't it. Why do you think teams re-brand, introduce new uniforms all the time, new color schemes. It's all about crazy merchandise dollars.

I'm sure the Chargers would rake in coin in year one when everyone went out to buy new LA Chargers gear

[ntgm37]

It's all about equitable market.

Los Angeles is a big city with a huge population but historically they do not spend much on their NFL teams.

The Chargers have an equally lax market in San Diego. The stadium is one of the most decrepit and aging stadiums in the league, and for good reason; measures to improve the stadium or build a new one were voted down by its' residents over many years. There are visceral die hard fans there but they are a waning percentage of the population and seem to be a populous minority.

It's perplexing how great cities lose a major sports franchise. Southern California is a huge market for entertainment and has no real problem with marketing or garnering profit in luxury sales, yet, the NBA is really the only large sports venue there that pulls in a hungry base. Sure, the Dodgers have experienced a growth in success lately, but how could you fail with the amount of money being spent on that team with no viable salary cap?

Could moving the Chargers to LA ignite a rivalry between the Rams and Chargers? Perhaps, but it's a significant gamble considering the placid fan base in recent history. There is no doubt that diehard Chargers fans would make the short trek north to LA to attend the games on Sunday, but would it be enough?

I believe that it's owner arrogance believing that their product could sustain such a move and be more profitable in a different market, yet invest little of their own money to improve of market a team. Take a look at the Chargers contract debacle with Joey Bosa for example; they were willing to gamble dollars and change against their first round draft pick; they have done little to upgrade their stadium in 20 years and still expect fans to be excited. It's silly. When owners forget where the money actually comes from, they lose sight of a profitable market. Give this recipe a few decades and you lose. The money always falls from the top: Don't invest in your product and no one spends to support it.

Equally, the Raiders are vying for a move to Las Vegas, where they believe that the casino industry will supply them with a valid fan base. Ridiculous! I get it, Las Vegas is a growing city, but if anyone thinks folks are moving there to spend money on attending sports events or adhering to a team, they are nearly perfectly wrong. Redbull events, bull riding, and NASCAR are unique markets with either, very limited seating, very limited annual events, or a roadie fan base. You can host an event but it does not equal an avid local fan base.

I understand that marketing moguls understand WAY more than I do but I have personally watched and witnessed the Cardinals organization from it's move to Phoenix in 1989 and vastly struggle through decades of marketing and local support. It hasn't been since the construction of The University of Phoenix Stadium in 2006 that the brand basked in any real profitable success. Before the stadium, ticket sales teetered on a fine balance of Cardinals fans and fans of the opposing team filling the seats. Even with this swampy reliability on ticket sales, it took many years to supplant and form an equitable fan base.

My approach on viewing the profit and market side of sports is: Let sleeping dogs lie. I can enjoy the nature of sports as long as I enjoy it as cheaply as I can. As a consumer, my intent is to root for my team (costs nothing), and let the proprietors and investors market their own product. I can budget how many times a month I eat a tenderloin steak or attend a game, and they can budget how many millions they spend on improving their product.

If the product stinks; don't buy it.

Well, the Rams and Chargers will share the stadium, so that helps out with revenue quite a bit, also the current stadium will need renovations soon, so the Trojans can play in their stadium for a while, plus the Super Bowl will be there, and any other events. The people are billionaires for a reason, and they aren't going to lose money.

For the Raiders, they have one of the biggest followings of any professional team. They will do just fine in San Antonio, or Vegas, or wherever. Casinos will buy tickets to comp guests, people always say they wish there was more to do that is kid friendly in Vegas, we'll football is a nice alternative.

[altaeria]

The Sacramento Chargers vs the Las Vegas Raiders
has a nice 1994-CFL-USA-Expansion-style ring to it.

[NickM]

Las Vegas is a weekend road trip destination for Raider fans in Northern or Southern California. The Raiders will do fine attendance-wise there.

[Brobocop]

SD had chance to keep them without paying out of own pocket taxes with hotel room tax. Voted down so it's clear the citizens have no interest in keeping the team. The team and city tried so can't blame them.

How about the BILLIONAIRE owners pay for the stadium. Why does the city and the tax payers have to pay for that garbage? If it was such a good deal, like the billionaires say it is, why pass that up to let the city take the deal? Such nonsense. Just garbage having the city pick up the tab on a horrible, raw deal.

[quackhead]

How about the BILLIONAIRE owners pay for the stadium. Why does the city and the tax payers have to pay for that garbage? If it was such a good deal, like the billionaires say it is, why pass that up to let the city take the deal? Such nonsense. Just garbage having the city pick up the tab on a horrible, raw deal.

The stadium that the Chargers proposed is a convention/stadium so that is why the public money would be involved. I thought Measure C was a brilliant idea, since San Diego is a tourist destination. From what I heard, there wasn't enough campaigning around town prior to the election for the measure.

[56LightsOut56]

The stadium that the Chargers proposed is a convention/stadium so that is why the public money would be involved. I thought Measure C was a brilliant idea, since San Diego is a tourist destination. From what I heard, there wasn't enough campaigning around town prior to the election for the measure.

Only residents of the City of San Diego were allowed to vote on Prop C (pop.1.3 million).

If they would have included the County of San Diego (pop. 3.2 mill.)......

The vote may have went the other way but since the City were the only ones voting they were basically voting for traffic congestion for themselves and the convadium. In my opinion only letting the City vote and not including the County was the biggest snag in the deal.

[quackhead]

Only residents of the City of San Diego were allowed to vote on Prop C (pop.1.3 million).

If they would have included the County of San Diego (pop. 3.2 mill.)......

The vote may have went the other way but since the City were the only ones voting they were basically voting for traffic congestion for themselves and the convadium. In my opinion only letting the City vote and not including the County was the biggest snag in the deal.

You're probably right about that.

[Clarka3]

i really hate how some owners hold a city over a barrel for stadium money. the Brown family got a sweetheart deal out of Cincinnati taxpayers. I hate that it's even a possibility, considering the owners aren't generally sharing the revenue with the city in return, and ticket prices certainly don't drop if the stadium is funded by the taxpayers.


now, the NHL is expanding to the Vegas market, so I suspect the NFL will watch how they do before deciding to move or expand to that market.

[freethrowtommy]

Dean Spanos is such a sleezy owner.

Sorry, Bolts fans.

[TWard]

Chargers expected to relocate to LA. Just got the update.


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[SDcardguy24]

Once Rivers and Gates are gone I will be able to separate entirely from the team.

[majestik101]

I feel bad for the residents of San Diego. They clearly wanted the team to stay. I went to the Chargers/Bucs game earlier this season and the fans who were there were very supportive of the team. Problem is, only about half of the stadium was full.

I honestly have no idea what the attraction is to L.A. besides money... The fans don't really want football and long-term won't be able to support two mediocre NFL teams.

[trixstar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C18KJ2oXcAEDEPf.jpg

[Jedi1823]

Once Rivers and Gates are gone I will be able to separate entirely from the team.

Wouldn't be surprised for news to break that Rivers has requested a trade.

[ajlaxmn]

Welp that's that.

Can't say Spanos didn't try, can't say he did, can't say citizens tried considering the measure didn't pass.

This has been a bad year and a awful two years. As excited as I am for the young talent on the team, things like this make me feel otherwise.

I don't know, maybe some day I'll feel the joy of my favorite sports team, in the only sport I watch, win a SB, but sometimes I just feel that it will never happen.

[Peties Army]

As a Rams fan I'm sorry. It sucks.

Spanos wanted to stay in SD. It's easy for me to say but there are a lot of people to blame and I'm willing to but Spanos would not be at the top of the list

Good news? NFL wants a team in SD. You will get one

[Greenfuzz]

............

[RaiderMike]

Dodge should REALLY invest in getting naming rights for the stadium.

Dodge Ram, Dodge Charger?

[quackhead]

Oh, The Chargers are moving?? LOL. I will believe it when I see the Mayflower trucks pulled into Chargers Park. The deadline was extended to next Tuesday and the mayor's "State of the City" address is tomorrow night. Spanos is trying to use some sort of leverage to get what he wants. Two teams in LA would not work.

[Kobe24>MJ23]

Please don't leave next Raiders

[RaiderMike]

Oh, The Chargers are moving?? LOL. I will believe it when I see the Mayflower trucks pulled into Chargers Park. The deadline was extended to next Tuesday and the mayor's "State of the City" address is tomorrow night. Spanos is trying to use some sort of leverage to get what he wants. Two teams in LA would not work.

Worked last time.

Edit: THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN again, ONE of those teams WAS The Raiders.

[quackhead]

Worked last time.

Edit: THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN again, ONE of those teams WAS The Raiders.

If by worked you mean still playing in the crumbling Qualcomm and not having an agreed upon plan for a downtown stadium. Sure:)!

[killerkadoogen]

i dont know what to think anymore.

[TWard]

According to reports, Chargers will play in the 30,000-seat StubHub Center for the next 2 years until the stadium is ready.

They will also look to rebrand. Sad day for Chargers fans.


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[asujbl]

Serious question for Charges fans since California might as well be a different planet then the rest of the Country (that goes for Texas as well)... I'm half kidding...

Will you still root for the Chargers if you live in San Diego and they move to Los Angeles? That's like 3 hours apart right? I've been to both Cities but not in a while but I seem to recall that was about the drive. So not too far but still not exactly close.

Honest question since I had to go through the Browns move back in the day. Baltimore is farther away than LA, and we knew we were getting a team back, but if the team wasn't "in Cleveland" I just didn't care anymore.

But that's also a different state completely. It's not apples to apples obviously. I'm not comparing the two directly.

My rooting interest are so tied to "City" though. So if the Cavs decided to move to Cincinnati I'm not sure if I would still root for them. They'd still be an Ohio team, which would be great, but it's not Cleveland. I cheer for Cleveland teams.

I'm honestly curious.

[56LightsOut56]

According to reports, Chargers will play in the 30,000-seat StubHub Center for the next 2 years until the stadium is ready.

They will also look to rebrand. Sad day for Chargers fans.


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Could you link this as I have only seen speculation of rebranding.

Serious question for Charges fans since California might as well be a different planet then the rest of the Country (that goes for Texas as well)... I'm half kidding...

Will you still root for the Chargers if you live in San Diego and they move to Los Angeles? That's like 3 hours apart right? I've been to both Cities but not in a while but I seem to recall that was about the drive. So not too far but still not exactly close.

Honest question since I had to go through the Browns move back in the day. Baltimore is farther away than LA, and we knew we were getting a team back, but if the team wasn't "in Cleveland" I just didn't care anymore.

But that's also a different state completely. It's not apples to apples obviously. I'm not comparing the two directly.

My rooting interest are so tied to "City" though. So if the Cavs decided to move to Cincinnati I'm not sure if I would still root for them. They'd still be an Ohio team, which would be great, but it's not Cleveland. I cheer for Cleveland teams.

I'm honestly curious.

To answer the first question it's about 1- 2 hours 70-120 miles or so depending where your at to Inglewood. I root for the Team not the City. I'm still a Clipper, Padre and Charger fan even though 2 of the 3 are looking to be playing to the north in the near future.

I haven't lived in SD for over 20 years though I was born and raised there. I'm sure if I was still living there my views would be a bit more jaded.

[asujbl]

Could you link this as I have only seen speculation of rebranding.



To answer the first question it's about 1- 2 hours 70-120 miles or so depending where your at to Inglewood. I root for the Team not the City. I'm still a Clipper, Padre and Charger fan even though 2 of the 3 are looking to be playing to the north in the near future.

I haven't lived in SD for over 20 years though I was born and raised there. I'm sure if I was still living there my views would be a bit more jaded.

Interesting.

I'm trying to imagine what I'd do in the same situation. The Cavs example wasn't great as Cleveland and Cincinnati aren't exactly close (relatively)... but what if the Browns moved to Toledo?

Toledo is still Northern Ohio and it's about 90 minutes from Cleveland... but I don't care about Toledo. I have no connection to that City.

I'd still want the Browns to win, it's still an Ohio team and I love Ohio, but would I still care as much as I do now? I just don't think I would...

I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. I'm not a Toledo Browns fan. I would care but I'm not sure I'd care very much.

But who knows until a situation like that happened.

[56LightsOut56]

Interesting.

I'm trying to imagine what I'd do in the same situation. The Cavs example wasn't great as Cleveland and Cincinnati aren't exactly close (relatively)... but what if the Browns moved to Toledo?

Toledo is still Northern Ohio and it's about 90 minutes from Cleveland... but I don't care about Toledo. I have no connection to that City.

I'd still want the Browns to win, it's still an Ohio team and I love Ohio, but would I still care as much as I do now? I just don't think I would...

I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. I'm not a Toledo Browns fan. I would care but I'm not sure I'd care very much.

But who knows until a situation like that happened.

You do know that the Los Angeles Chargers(1960) was where the team originated. You might be surprised about the size of the Charger fan bases in Orange County, Riverside and the IE. I get that the Raiders fan base in LA will be bigger then either the Rams or Chargers and maybe bigger then both those teams combined but winning could erase that.... only time will tell.

[asujbl]

You do know that the Los Angeles Chargers(1960) was where the team originated. You might be surprised about the size of the Charger fan bases in Orange County, Riverside and the IE. I get that the Raiders fan base in LA will be bigger then either the Rams or Chargers and mabye bigger then both those teams combined but winning could erase that.... only time will tell.

Yes I know that - and that's why I'm asking

[Braswell10]

Not sure how I feel, but I think it could be the right move, along with a rebrand. The Chargers haven't really been known as a good team, so I feel like this is the time to reset and start over. If they can get a good coach they have a lot of upside. They definitely won the draft and offseason last year. Their defense is looking good too.

Honestly, I think the best bet would be to trade Rivers. Just threw a career high 21 interceptions this season. Moving into a new a new city, they should try to get a new face for the franchise.

I may be in the minority, but I will be a Chargers fan no matter what. You are not a true fan if you don't follow your team just because they moved. It's inevitable. The chargers had some awful homecrowds.

Hopefully this is the right way to go for the Chargers.

[asujbl]

Not sure how I feel, but I think it could be the right move, along with a rebrand. The Chargers haven't really been known as a good team, so I feel like this is the time to reset and start over. If they can get a good coach they have a lot of upside. They definitely won the draft and offseason last year. Their defense is looking good too.

Honestly, I think the best bet would be to trade Rivers. Just threw a career high 21 interceptions this season. Moving into a new a new city, they should try to get a new face for the franchise.

I may be in the minority, but I will be a Chargers fan no matter what. You are not a true fan if you don't follow your team just because they moved. It's inevitable. The chargers had some awful homecrowds.

Hopefully this is the right way to go for the Chargers.

This is a little aggressive. Most people follow their teams because of specific connections to a City (whether that's personally or via a family member etc...)

If the Browns moved to Los Angeles I'm still supposed to care about them?

[Braswell10]

This is a little aggressive. Most people follow their teams because of specific connections to a City (whether that's personally or via a family member etc...)

If the Browns moved to Los Angeles I'm still supposed to care about them?

Yes. I am from PA, so location is not important. It's not like I could go watch them all of the time. I do see what you are saying though.

[asujbl]

Yes. I am from PA, so location is not important. It's not like I could go watch them all of the time. I do see what you are saying though.

Do you have a connection to San Diego though? Or did you just pick them to follow? Honest question. Not trying to start something. Just curious as to how you became a Chargers fan. If you became a fan of them for a reason that isn't "San Diego" based, meaning they were just your favorite team as a kid or something, I totally get what you are saying. You follow them around. If you became a fan because of LA or San Diego? That's where my response comes from.

I guess I believe in the "cheer for the name on the front and not the back" saying, meaning I don't follow players specifically, I follow my team... but at the same time that name on the front represents a City. A City that I have a connection to.

If the Browns moved to Los Angeles I just don't know why I'd care about them anymore. I don't have any vested interest in LA. I have a vested interest in Cleveland the teams that represent them.

[TWard]

Could you link this as I have only seen speculation of rebranding.



To answer the first question it's about 1- 2 hours 70-120 miles or so depending where your at to Inglewood. I root for the Team not the City. I'm still a Clipper, Padre and Charger fan even though 2 of the 3 are looking to be playing to the north in the near future.

I haven't lived in SD for over 20 years though I was born and raised there. I'm sure if I was still living there my views would be a bit more jaded.

Chargers considering rebrand?

Report: Chargers may rebrand in L.A. | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/12/report-chargers-may-rebrand-in-l-a/)

[Cervantes]

Sucks there will be more Raiders fans in LA than Chargers and Rams combined.

Nah, it doesn't.

[56LightsOut56]

Not sure how I feel, but I think it could be the right move, along with a rebrand. The Chargers haven't really been known as a good team, so I feel like this is the time to reset and start over. If they can get a good coach they have a lot of upside. They definitely won the draft and offseason last year. Their defense is looking good too.

Honestly, I think the best bet would be to trade Rivers. Just threw a career high 21 interceptions this season. Moving into a new a new city, they should try to get a new face for the franchise.

I may be in the minority, but I will be a Chargers fan no matter what. You are not a true fan if you don't follow your team just because they moved. It's inevitable. The chargers had some awful homecrowds.

Hopefully this is the right way to go for the Chargers.

Trade the Chargers all-time passing leader who happened to demand a no trade clause be put in his last contract that lasts through 2020 I hope this does not happen.

As far as home attendence in San Diego was concerned it had been a problem for awhile now, hopefully the Chargers will get better support from the 18+ million in the Greater LA area then they did in SD.

Minus home Raider games that will probably be 80%+ Raider fans in the stands when they play

[Cervantes]

Chargers considering rebrand?

Report: Chargers may rebrand in L.A. | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/12/report-chargers-may-rebrand-in-l-a/)

http://m.memegen.com/or1d2j.jpg

I'm shocked.

:coffee:

[Cactuspies]

St. Louis Chargers?

St. Louis Jaguars?

St. Louis Raiders?

No one wants St. Louis to to have a team huh?

Poor Seattle Sonics and St. Louis Rams fans.

Might as well make the NFL like Global Soccer where the bad teams move down a level and good teams move up, so some college teams will now play in the NFL while the browns, jags, 49ers, etc move down to college ranks.

[asujbl]

Shout Out To The Chargers Fan That Egged The Team’s HQ This Morning After It Was Announced The Chargers Are Moving To L.A. - Barstool Sports (http://www.barstoolsports.com/newyork/shout-out-to-the-chargers-fan-that-egged-the-teams-hq-this-morning-after-it-was-announced-the-chargers-are-moving-to-l-a/)

[Cactuspies]

ugly - dodgers called and want their logo back


https://twitter.com/chargers

[ToppsCollector1]

http://m.memegen.com/or1d2j.jpg

I'm shocked.

:coffee:

I just want to comment on how great this picture is


But I will say, a possible name change is shocking to see as well

[ajlaxmn]

Serious question for Charges fans since California might as well be a different planet then the rest of the Country (that goes for Texas as well)... I'm half kidding...

Will you still root for the Chargers if you live in San Diego and they move to Los Angeles? That's like 3 hours apart right? I've been to both Cities but not in a while but I seem to recall that was about the drive. So not too far but still not exactly close.

Honest question since I had to go through the Browns move back in the day. Baltimore is farther away than LA, and we knew we were getting a team back, but if the team wasn't "in Cleveland" I just didn't care anymore.

But that's also a different state completely. It's not apples to apples obviously. I'm not comparing the two directly.

My rooting interest are so tied to "City" though. So if the Cavs decided to move to Cincinnati I'm not sure if I would still root for them. They'd still be an Ohio team, which would be great, but it's not Cleveland. I cheer for Cleveland teams.

I'm honestly curious.

I have no connection to the city, I picked the Chargers when I was young, maybe 6 or 7, because I liked there helmets. I can't say that I would stop following if they rebranded, but I think my interest might take a hit, maybe not, but to rebrand entirely would feel like I am rooting for a new team.

[56LightsOut56]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1-653wUkAALS-F.jpg

[Clarka3]

because LA has proven previously that they can support 1 team long term...


the NFL is silly. They said they wanted "to do LA right" before when they let the Rams move. Fine. But to now allow a second team to move? Yeah, that's doing it right.


at this point, the NFL should expand 2 more teams to bring teams back to SD and STL. I find it sad that an owner that does very little to provide a competitive team for the better part of a decade can be allowed to just move the team.

[asujbl]

I have no connection to the city, I picked the Chargers when I was young, maybe 6 or 7, because I liked there helmets. I can't say that I would stop following if they rebranded, but I think my interest might take a hit, maybe not, but to rebrand entirely would feel like I am rooting for a new team.

I totally get... you are a Chargers fan. Not necessarily a "San Diego Chargers" fan if that makes sense. I could understand why you still follow the team even if they moved.

I'm sort of the opposite. I'm not a Browns fan. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. The City is incredibly important. If the Browns picked up and moved, especially out of Ohio, I would have no interest in them at that point.

[Boo]

Next move...Raiders to Vegas.

[ucLAkers]

Next move...Raiders to Vegas.

Toronto Bills

[TWard]

So they pretty much tweaked the Dodgers logo....?

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/tylersportsguy/Randomness/280F2246-B3F5-4919-96C1-225EFFE400F4_zpsmkcrpdjk.png (http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/tylersportsguy/media/Randomness/280F2246-B3F5-4919-96C1-225EFFE400F4_zpsmkcrpdjk.png.html)


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[ucLAkers]

So they pretty much tweaked the Dodgers logo....?

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/tylersportsguy/Randomness/280F2246-B3F5-4919-96C1-225EFFE400F4_zpsmkcrpdjk.png (http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/tylersportsguy/media/Randomness/280F2246-B3F5-4919-96C1-225EFFE400F4_zpsmkcrpdjk.png.html)


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Yea as a Dodger fan this pisses me off! At least add some gold to the bolt!

[TWard]

Yea as a Dodger fan this pisses me off! At least add some gold to the bolt!


You'd like to think they would want to be their own entity, not basically copy the Dodgers logo and live off that. It looks like they put absolute zero thought process behind the new logo.

[majestik101]

You'd like to think they would want to be their own entity, not basically copy the Dodgers logo and live off that. It looks like they put absolute zero thought process behind the new logo.

That logo is half assed. Guess we all shouldn't be surprised. Everything so far about football coming to LA to begin with is half assed.

I also heard on the radio this morning (not sure if it's true) that Curacao and El Pollo Loco are in the lead for Stadium naming rights.

[IronMonkey415]

At least make the lighting bolt shot out more bolts

[TWard]

That logo is half assed. Guess we all shouldn't be surprised. Everything so far about football coming to LA to begin with is half assed.



I also heard on the radio this morning (not sure if it's true) that Curacao and El Pollo Loco are in the lead for Stadium naming rights.


That's hilarious and would be fitting.

I'm sincerely hoping for either Boudreaux's Butt Paste Stadium or Preparation H Field (mainly because the NFL is gonna take it up the a** for moving a 2nd team to LA).

[TWard]

Didn't take long....

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/tylersportsguy/Randomness/63E876F9-CA1F-428A-B871-8E9E39F46F7D_zps2gmqlgzm.png (http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/tylersportsguy/media/Randomness/63E876F9-CA1F-428A-B871-8E9E39F46F7D_zps2gmqlgzm.png.html)


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[dbrown]

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15965212_1201533643215195_5387959028427983688_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=2254762d1d04533caf1eb7677017a32f&oe=591BA5A4

[IronMonkey415]

At least have a guy standing on top of building throwing down lighting bolts.

I could go on and on

[IronMonkey415]

Matter of fact I will go on and on.


Have a image of a football sailing throw the sky with a lightning bolt trailing behind it.

[Braswell10]

Do you have a connection to San Diego though? Or did you just pick them to follow? Honest question. Not trying to start something. Just curious as to how you became a Chargers fan. If you became a fan of them for a reason that isn't "San Diego" based, meaning they were just your favorite team as a kid or something, I totally get what you are saying. You follow them around. If you became a fan because of LA or San Diego? That's where my response comes from.

I guess I believe in the "cheer for the name on the front and not the back" saying, meaning I don't follow players specifically, I follow my team... but at the same time that name on the front represents a City. A City that I have a connection to.

If the Browns moved to Los Angeles I just don't know why I'd care about them anymore. I don't have any vested interest in LA. I have a vested interest in Cleveland the teams that represent them.

I started to like the Chargers once they drafted LT. He was fun to watch, and at that time I did not have a team I truly rooted for.

The only people that would stop rooting the Chargers, based on what you are saying is the people in San Diego. That makes sense. But why would others stop rooting for them?

[quackhead]

So no press conference and no Mayflower trucks yet?? Just a stupid logo change and an online letter. Interesting. I guess we will see what the mayor has to say later today......

[Braswell10]

Wow, the logo is sad. Need to be more original.

[SDcardguy24]

Serious question for Charges fans since California might as well be a different planet then the rest of the Country (that goes for Texas as well)... I'm half kidding...

Will you still root for the Chargers if you live in San Diego and they move to Los Angeles? That's like 3 hours apart right? I've been to both Cities but not in a while but I seem to recall that was about the drive. So not too far but still not exactly close.

Honest question since I had to go through the Browns move back in the day. Baltimore is farther away than LA, and we knew we were getting a team back, but if the team wasn't "in Cleveland" I just didn't care anymore.

But that's also a different state completely. It's not apples to apples obviously. I'm not comparing the two directly.

My rooting interest are so tied to "City" though. So if the Cavs decided to move to Cincinnati I'm not sure if I would still root for them. They'd still be an Ohio team, which would be great, but it's not Cleveland. I cheer for Cleveland teams.

I'm honestly curious.

I'm one of those root for the city guys because I grew up & still live here in San Diego. I grew up rooting against all the teams up in LA.

[asujbl]

I started to like the Chargers once they drafted LT. He was fun to watch, and at that time I did not have a team I truly rooted for.

The only people that would stop rooting the Chargers, based on what you are saying is the people in San Diego. That makes sense. But why would others stop rooting for them?

That's 50% of what I'm saying.

The others are the ones that have a connection to San Diego and that's why they are Chargers fans. Maybe they were born there, their families are all Chargers fans, so they grew up that way... they moved to some other state... They like the Chargers because of the San Diego connection. Not just because they are the Chargers. You don't have to physically live somewhere for your connection to that team to be based around the City itself.

If I moved back to Arizona it doesn't all of a sudden make me like the Browns and not the Cleveland Browns. The reason I cheer for my team is still exactly the same. I just don't live in Ohio anymore.

[asujbl]

I'm one of those root for the city guys because I grew up & still live here in San Diego. I grew up rooting against all the teams up in LA.

That as what my question was really based on.

Lets say you got an expansion team... Would you still be a Chargers fan? Or a fan of the new team because it is based in San Diego?

If the Ravens had been the "Baltimore Browns" and Cleveland got a new team named whatever... I'd be a fan of the Cleveland team. Not the Browns that don't reside in the City I care about.

That's all I was really getting at initially.

[SDcardguy24]

That as what my question was really based on.

Lets say you got an expansion team... Would you still be a Chargers fan? Or a fan of the new team because it is based in San Diego?

If the Ravens had been the "Baltimore Browns" and Cleveland got a new team named whatever... I'd be a fan of the Cleveland team. Not the Browns that don't reside in the City I care about.

That's all I was really getting at initially.

So now I'm just a general fan of the NFL but if San Diego were to get a new team I'd root for that new team.

A few months ago there were rumors that if the Chargers left they would change their name and I was kind of hoping for that so if a new team came to San Diego in the future, they could be named the Chargers.

[asujbl]

The fact that the Tampa Bay Lightning sent out a tweet, saying they weren't banging the Dodgers, is flat out hilarious

[ajlaxmn]

That as what my question was really based on.

Lets say you got an expansion team... Would you still be a Chargers fan? Or a fan of the new team because it is based in San Diego?

If the Ravens had been the "Baltimore Browns" and Cleveland got a new team named whatever... I'd be a fan of the Cleveland team. Not the Browns that don't reside in the City I care about.

That's all I was really getting at initially.

I don't know if I would switch back if a new team move into San Diego, again because I'm not rooting for them because of a connection to the city itself.

[asujbl]

I don't know if I would switch back if a new team move into San Diego, again because I'm not rooting for them because of a connection to the city itself.

Yeah - which I totally get - I'd actually find it odd if you switched back to a San Diego team since that isn't the reason you are following them. Makes sense to me.

[NickM]

The new logo is pathetic.

[Nflhof]

I've had season tickets for 20 years and have only missed 1 home game and I'm done with the NFL. The owners don't give a ish about the fans and communities it's all about money. Very sad day here in cloudy San Diego

[ajlaxmn]

The new logo is pathetic.

Agreed. Should have just gone back to the old LA Charger logo.

[Clarka3]

I totally get... you are a Chargers fan. Not necessarily a "San Diego Chargers" fan if that makes sense. I could understand why you still follow the team even if they moved.

I'm sort of the opposite. I'm not a Browns fan. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. The City is incredibly important. If the Browns picked up and moved, especially out of Ohio, I would have no interest in them at that point.

I grew up in Cleveland, and a Browns fan. When that team moved, it gutted me (and the city). I tried for a season to root for the Ravens (because it was more or less the same roster), but it wasn't hte same.

Gave the new team a shot when the Browns came back, but by then I was in Cincinnati for college and just became a Bengals fan.

so yes, when the team moves, even if they don't rebrand and stay the same name, it's not the same.

at this point, i bet the people of SD would prefer a new team to be brought in via expansion with new ownership that aren't shitty.

[Earlsnake07]

the new logo is pathetic.

+11111111111111111111111

[SDcardguy24]

From what I've read on twitter the logo is just a temporary one.

It is still fun to see it being dragged by everyone online though.

[Braswell10]

Yes, new logo is temporary

[Ferg1945]

https://usatbroncoswire.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/la-logo.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

[Cactuspies]

The Tampa Bay Lightning Troll tweet was epic!

Also I think I heard that this is move is costing just as much if not a little less than what a brand new stadium would have cost (not including the $300 million the NFL was going to kick in for a stadium). So did Dean Spanos really just troll southern california big time for the last 2-5 years and is acting like it's the cities fault?

Also he's acting like a puppy that was just kicked for pissing on the floor. glad he will have to play in a 30k seat stadium for 2 years and have to be the little whipping boy to stan kroenke and probably have no fan base.

[seabass97166]

All AFC West teams just got an extra home game.
100% Raider fans - it will be embarrassing
90% Broncos fans
80% Chiefs fans

Raiders "at" Chargers will be hysterical

[lionsfan20]

Lol Los Angeles didn't even want or support one NFL team and now they have 2! This should end well.😏 Meanwhile there are a ton of cities that would love to have an NFL franchise.

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[trixstar]

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/highlight/everyone-made-fun-of-the-chargers-new-logo-so-much-its-no-longer-the-chargers-new-logo/?utm_source=vicesportstwitter

EVERYONE MADE FUN OF THE CHARGERS' NEW LOGO SO MUCH IT'S NO LONGER THE CHARGERS' NEW LOGO

[kdailey4315]

The Tampa Bay Lightning Troll tweet was epic!

Also I think I heard that this is move is costing just as much if not a little less than what a brand new stadium would have cost (not including the $300 million the NFL was going to kick in for a stadium). So did Dean Spanos really just troll southern california big time for the last 2-5 years and is acting like it's the cities fault?

Also he's acting like a puppy that was just kicked for pissing on the floor. glad he will have to play in a 30k seat stadium for 2 years and have to be the little whipping boy to stan kroenke and probably have no fan base.

Pretty much. 650 for relocation fees plus the 300 million the NFL gave them. Does he honestly believe that we think he couldn't come up with the remaining 200 million? The whole thing is absurd.

[Boo]

Pretty much. 650 for relocation fees plus the 300 million the NFL gave them. Does he honestly believe that we think he couldn't come up with the remaining 200 million? The whole thing is absurd.

Not a big difference but I think relocation fees for moving to LA were reduced to 500 million.

[Cervantes]

The 'temporary' logo became temporary when they realized how stupid it looked, judging by the massive dump the internet took on it.

Spanos comes across as a major douche. Not for this move, but he seems like a slimeball from a distance.

I don't know for sure, though; I'm the only Raiders fan in the world that hasn't been in to San Diego, you know, when the Raiders fans take over the Chargers own stadium.

[socal805]

Only peep happy about this move is Stan Kroenke. If the Raiders would have moved to LA. The Rams would have become the NFL's version of the Clippers.

FrmDaLeftCoast

[goblue138]

Not a big difference but I think relocation fees for moving to LA were reduced to 500 million.

Its 500 million payed out over ten years. If Spanos wanted more time it would be 650 million.

[SDcardguy24]

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/highlight/everyone-made-fun-of-the-chargers-new-logo-so-much-its-no-longer-the-chargers-new-logo/?utm_source=vicesportstwitter

EVERYONE MADE FUN OF THE CHARGERS' NEW LOGO SO MUCH IT'S NO LONGER THE CHARGERS' NEW LOGO

don't worry they fixed what was wrong with it :doh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Ew1TSUUAAhTGy.jpg

[deansayso]

Maybe SD will get a few of the d league teams now. That looks interesting and you'd keep football around

[Clarka3]

you see the Tampa Bay Lightning tweeted that they and teh dodgers are "just friends"? haha

[RogerGodahell]

How many sports teams can CA support? They now have 16 NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL teams.

[Greenfuzz]

I'm still trying to collect my thoughts on the move. Even though I never go to games, it's just different now that they aren't here. I think I will continue being a Chargers fan, but not an LA Charger fan. Just too many memories with the players and history of the team that makes it so difficult to switch teams.

The Anthony Lynn signing doesn't help either. Or Mike McCoy returning to Denver.

[quackhead]

Oh brother......:doh:

We Won't Move You, Chargers (http://wewontmoveyouchargers.com/)