Big Frank put a hurt on his card???

[whitesoxfan3579]

So many cards these days are described as rare on eBay, so much so that the word rare has lost its meaning. I have no problems with a card being described as rare if it truly is a rare card. In any case, this is not the purpose of this thread.

A truly one of a kind listing popped up on the bay yesterday - 1990 NNOF Frank Thomas one of the most sought after and truly scarce rookie cards in the modern era (I know everyone will not agree with that last statement and that's ok), but in this particular listing the big hurt not only signed this card, but corrected it as well. See for yourself:

FRANK THOMAS NNOF 1990 TOPPS PERSONALLY CORRECTED BY FRANK THOMAS! | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/182423206068?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

First off if I owned this card I would want to keep it in its original state. It is a special card in its own right and I think it is a great example of a card that is truly scarce and unique.

My question for the community is would you want the original, unaltered card itself OR would you prefer the card that the seller listed appeal to you more (assuming you came to terms on price)? Does the auto and the subsequent "correction" make this particular card more valuable to you?

What do you think???

p.s. I do not have any dog in this fight. I do not own the original card AND I will not bidon this card. I do not know the seller and I have not purchased from him before. Just curious what people think and why.

[jrinne17]

I think that's pretty awesome.

[speedyjg13]

The auto and printed name severely devalue this card, what was the seller thinking? Seller probably saw how much an unaltered NNOF sold for and thought that getting it signed would increase the value. Sometimes an auto on a non auto card completely kills the card. I'd hate to see a 2011 Topps Update Hope Diamond /65 signed by Trout.

[iplumb1963]

to me the card is ruined

[skydasher15]

Interesting choice.

[Nyfancam01]

completely ruined the card. wow horrible choice

[twoten01]

its cool. but the value is absolutely ruined. Probably worth 25% of a non autod version. just as bad as when people get 1/1's signed.

[danimal875]

Still don't understand why the hobby treats this card as an "error" and not a worthless misprint like every other card that misses out on black ink or gold foil in the printing process.

[rcmb3220]

I'd rather have the unaltered card. But enough people will be willing to pay more than a plain one that I don't think the value would be ruined.

[chilly55]

He ruined a "classic" modern card that is rare to begin with. I personally would have never done this and would have found something else for Frank to sign. Having said that, having the card slabbed by PSA as authentic will help with resale value. But I still think the card has more value unsigned than signed. There will be a very select few in the market that would be willing to pay more than an unsigned version of this card.

Bill

[tkraft24]

Curious, when PSA authenticates an autographed item with an inscription are they authenticating both the autograph and inscription? Or are they more or less just going off the signature?

[mattjc1983]

Curious, when PSA authenticates an autographed item with an inscription are they authenticating both the autograph and inscription? Or are they more or less just going off the signature?



That's a good question. I am an autograph collector and it's frustrating when the authenticator (whether witnessed or third-party) does not note the inscription on the authenticity certificate.


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[jmscoggin]

I think it's awesome but I wouldn't have done it. Get a base card signed, don't ruin a rare one. Having said that, strange hobby we have where having the player sign a card can actually lessen the card's value.

[6celtics33]

Frank signs tons of stuff as it is. This card by definition is a "no name" card and he writes his name 2x on it. I think it's ruined. One thing not to overlook is that the guy who had it done used his own pen and it's on a 1990 topps card that wasn't meant to be auto'd. So who knows how well that holds up or bleeds through to the back in the future. It's not like there were quality control tests ran to determine that.

Get your cheap cards auto'd people. Leave the iconic pieces alone.

[Skipscards]

I think that's pretty awesome.

Me as well.

[ToppsCollector1]

to me the card is ruined

Personally, I agree only because he wrote his name on it

OP, I also think that the card should be kept in its original state

BUT

for me, if I were to have two copies of this exact card, then id keep one in its original state, and do whatever I want with the other. In this case, getting it signed

[Pearce77]

That shirt tho.

[jewcer2k5]

I love it.

[rj.cataldo]

Honestly, I don't know how much value was "lost". A recent PSA 8 that sold went for $4,750 I believe. The condition of this card puts it NOWHERE near a PSA 8. It is in poor condition, but still has some eye appeal.

The fact is, because the card is so valuable no one really has the nerve to have someone sign it. That said, its one of a kind type card that I can see a big Frank Thomas collector pay $2k-$3k, if not a bit more. Realistically that can't be much less than it would command graded a 5 unaltered.

My issue with the card is the marker used. Would have looked nicer with a thin tip and/or paint marker. Regardless it is a unique piece that someone will want to own.

[Dhoneal83]

I'm with ya Jewcer, I think it's awesome. In terms of being unique, it's definitely one of a kind. If it sells, it'll go to a collector for sure - not going to get flipped at 30k.

[Halbert]

Not caring about value at all, I think it is pretty cool

[tkraft24]

That's a good question. I am an autograph collector and it's frustrating when the authenticator (whether witnessed or third-party) does not note the inscription on the authenticity certificate.


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Yep, I love the card but don't like the ambiguity of inscriptions on autographed items - especially when a substantial premium is attached to the inscription.

[delangley1977]

At least he's only asking 30k

[tjenkins]

This kind of card would fit it perfect with my collection. I like it personally, I am a Frank Thomas fan so it think it is cool, despite the fact that it has lessened the value of the card from its original state. I would pick something like this up if I felt it was a reasonable price for a NNOF Frank Thomas RC but....$30,000? No Chance! I certainly wouldn't want to have to sell my house to get it, but I do like it!

[Steve2112]

My thoughts are that if someone did this and then wanted to sell it, they'd be hurting the dollar amount they'd be getting. Collectors who collect cards for the sake of cards see the signature as "defacing" the card, and I can respect that opinion. Autograph collectors (like me), however, are wired differently than the aforementioned group. I love having cards signed. For me, it doesn't matter if it's a five-cent base card or a 1/1, if I have a card and I'll be seeing the guy in-person, I'm trying to get it signed.

I think the notion that autograph collectors have some sort of unwritten obligation to the hobby at large to keep a rare/low-numbered card unsigned is laughable (and would only make me more determined to get such a card signed, if I were to ever own one).

[mikecamp99]

Imo I think it's pretty cool. You probably won't see another on out there like it ever, unless somebody has the balls to have on signed since it seems not too many people would get it done.

Now think of it this way, what if instead of some guy getting it signed at an event, what if Topps were to buyback one or say even 5 of the no names, had Frank sign it and put his name in as the inscription and packed these out. What type of value do you think that would have?

[markinca]

I think it's both - I think the card signed/corrected like this is pretty awesome but also that it kills the value.

[no10pin]

Honestly, I don't know how much value was "lost". A recent PSA 8 that sold went for $4,750 I believe. The condition of this card puts it NOWHERE near a PSA 8. It is in poor condition, but still has some eye appeal.


This is pretty much how I feel about it. Given the condition of that card, it's probably a PSA 5, or a 6 at absolute best.

I don't think it hurt or helped the value much either way, but it's a pretty cool and unique item. I can see the seller still coming out ahead if he's patient, I think someone would want that for $3,000 or so.

[Hollywood42]

I think it's awesome. Would much rather have this one than an unsigned copy. Not everything is about how much you can sell the card for. That's half the reason the hobby has been going downhill, IMO, is that people are far too worried about making money

[REGGIE206]

The seller will probably sell it for more than an unsigned one. The eBay photo of Frank Thomas signing the card and writing in his name will especially do it. If so, he accomplished exactly what he wanted.

If this was for my PC, I personally wouldn't of had Frank Thomas sign that card and write in his name. I would of gotten him to sign a bat or jersey instead.

I'm guessing someone that already has an unsigned PSA NNOF will buy it. That, I can see would be cool to have side by side.

[Grimster]

It's also in a blue flip. So the card has not been authenticated. The seller needs to submit it to get the card authenticated as well, especially if he wants to bring in the big $$

[T206]

I dont see a problem with it. I wouldnt have done it but I think its cool

[Big35Hurt]

It's unique, that's for sure, but even the most diehard Big Hurt collectors aren't going to touch that asking price.

[poppincurbs]

I think it's pretty cool, and I enjoy pieces that come with a "story". Instead of saying "This is a rare card with NNOF", the owner can say "This is a rare card with NNOF and Frank Thomas signed it and corrected it himself!!!" Now of course this dude did this solely to flip it--which makes me mad, but for a true Frank Thomas fan this is pretty sweet.

It would be different if the card in question was a 1/1 or something, but while rare--these cards do still exist so if someone wants to get a lower grade one signed, it's not a big deal IMHO. I don't think it really kills the value, I think it makes a rare card even more unique and I'm sure he's getting offers on it.

[no10pin]

It's unique, that's for sure, but even the most diehard Big Hurt collectors aren't going to touch that asking price.

Yeah, he's way off on the asking price, but I don't think he killed the actual value of the card, especially in that condition.

It's such a unique piece, I'd love to have it in my PC, I'm just not in the market to offer what it's actually worth right now. Based on the asking price, it seems like the seller is just showing it off anyway, which is OK.

[vwnut13]

Still don't understand why the hobby treats this card as an "error" and not a worthless misprint like every other card that misses out on black ink or gold foil in the printing process.

Ding Ding Ding!

[bajcards4215]

As others have said, it's a both/and scenario.

I agree that it hurts the value of a rare and sought-after card, but in a hobby and sport that play up story and legend, the auto adds a cool wrinkle to an already quirky backstory.

[mouschi]

As a reseller, I would cringe, because I would worry about the resell value. If I were a Thomas collector, I'd think it would be very cool that I probably had a piece like this that no one else does....and would probably need to get an unaltered version as well!

[mattjc1983]

It's also in a blue flip. So the card has not been authenticated. The seller needs to submit it to get the card authenticated as well, especially if he wants to bring in the big $$



I wondered about that. So the biggest value from the entire item is the part that hasn't even been authenticated, and he wants someone to take a $30k chance on that? That's kind of a joke.


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[Rookiemonster]

Ruined and Is the card even a real nno frank Thomas ?

[pmannings#1fan]

It is a nice auto but the card itself is altered & therefor I would not want it period or as a PC piece. JMO

[itradeerrors]

Still don't understand why the hobby treats this card as an "error" and not a worthless misprint like every other card that misses out on black ink or gold foil in the printing process.

Because worthless misprints are like prospects they go in and out of being cool and valuable. Yasiel Puig cards were cool and valuable not to long ago and not so much now. Misprints are the same, a few years ago they commanded a huge premium, now not so much. Unlike the Yasiel Puig cards error cards will come back to being cool and valuable. Been collecting print errors for 30+ years and they go through fazes of being valuable and garbage all the time.

[centereacan06]

I think it's awesome, but don't think it sells for as much as it would unsigned.

If I were a collector, I'd rather go after an unsigned, but would absolutely be interested in this for the right price.

[mattjc1983]

Yep, I love the card but don't like the ambiguity of inscriptions on autographed items - especially when a substantial premium is attached to the inscription.



Looking on the PSA website, it looks like for autograph GRADING, it's considered as part of the whole, but with an emphasis on the signature. I cannot find that inscription authentication is addressed.


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[whattheblood]

I wonder if he dug that shirt out from his 1996 closet space.

[byronscott4ever]

It's also in a blue flip. So the card has not been authenticated. The seller needs to submit it to get the card authenticated as well, especially if he wants to bring in the big $$

This could be a fake and if it is, this is a great use for it

[scottbdoug]

Still don't understand why the hobby treats this card as an "error" and not a worthless misprint like every other card that misses out on black ink or gold foil in the printing process.

+1 I agree

[sbfinley]

its cool. but the value is absolutely ruined. Probably worth 25% of a non autod version. just as bad as when people get 1/1's signed.

As a signed card collector (specifically a signed RC collector) I can attest that this isn't the case. This card raw with it's condition is probably around $1800-$2000 at auction. The few recent authentic signed copies I have seen since his election were all in the $3000 range. It's not worth $30k, but it's also not worth $300. Heck I watched a reprint NNOF with an authentic signature get bid up to almost $1500 on ebay last year.

It's also in a blue flip. So the card has not been authenticated. The seller needs to submit it to get the card authenticated as well, especially if he wants to bring in the big $$

I'd rather have it in a red flip as well, but if you know what to look for, telling an authentic example from an altered card, counterfeit, or modern reprint is really not that difficult with this particular issue. The card in question is 100% original and good.

[JWBlue]

It is the autograph of the player on the card. The player himself wrote on it.

I guess I am the only person that thinks its value is a little higher.

How rare are these NNOF cards? If someone were to guess how many there are, what would the number be?

[Cards123]

I think it's awesome but I wouldn't have done it. Get a base card signed, don't ruin a rare one. Having said that, strange hobby we have where having the player sign a card can actually lessen the card's value.

+1 on this!

[tkraft24]

It is the autograph of the player on the card. The player himself wrote on it.

I guess I am the only person that thinks its value is a little higher.

How rare are these NNOF cards? If someone were to guess how many there are, what would the number be?

A reminder for everyone........

Frank Thomas autograph market be like.....
Frank Thomas Signed 1990 Topps RC AUTO PSA/DNA 26549437 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Frank-Thomas-Signed-1990-Topps-RC-AUTO-PSA-DNA-26549437-/112263781003?hash=item1a23715a8b%3Ag%3Av48AAOSwZQRYc-Zp&nma=true&si=UZJysa%252Fq%252FR3GzTtQsRzhHOHLjHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Frank Thomas NNOF market be like.......
1990 Topps Frank Thomas #414 No Name On Front PSA 8 high end (Real Deal) nnof | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Topps-Frank-Thomas-414-No-Name-On-Front-PSA-8-high-end-Real-Deal-nnof-/162341965920?hash=item25cc55d060%3Ag%3A06UAAOSwmfhX3ej2&nma=true&si=UZJysa%252Fq%252FR3GzTtQsRzhHOHLjHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

The guy is definitely rolling the dice in my opinion. He compromised the originality of the card which is what dorky card collectors want. Sure, a lot of us think it's cool signed but that's a lot different than finding a buyer willing to pay more than an original NNOF.

[Cactuspies]

ebay just emailed me that I need to buy this card. so weird how they matched it to me. buy one card and they think you are buying them all.

[rcmb3220]

Because worthless misprints are like prospects they go in and out of being cool and valuable. Yasiel Puig cards were cool and valuable not to long ago and not so much now. Misprints are the same, a few years ago they commanded a huge premium, now not so much. Unlike the Yasiel Puig cards error cards will come back to being cool and valuable. Been collecting print errors for 30+ years and they go through fazes of being valuable and garbage all the time.

Here's to hoping the nnof goes into a garbage phase soon so I can pick one up.

[sbfinley]

It is the autograph of the player on the card. The player himself wrote on it.

I guess I am the only person that thinks its value is a little higher.

How rare are these NNOF cards? If someone were to guess how many there are, what would the number be?

I'd guess 750-1000 copies in the market. I'm not educated on the intricacies of the printer Topps used at the time, but I'd guess the total number of copies created is a percentage of whatever one print stack would be.

[tkraft24]

But I guess here's a counter-example of an autograph adding high-end value to a lower end, iconic card:

BGS 9.5 - $100
FRANK THOMAS 2008 A PIECE OF HISTORY 500 CLUB BAT CARD (XELXX1) BGS 9.5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRANK-THOMAS-2008-A-PIECE-OF-HISTORY-500-CLUB-BAT-CARD-XELXX1-BGS-9-5-/351420596519?hash=item51d24cc127:g:ePMAAOSwZd1VdF4I)


PSA 10, Autographed - $1,000:
POP 1 PSA 10 FRANK THOMAS UD 500 HOME RUN BAT CARD AUTOGRAPH AUTO PSA/DNA HOF | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/POP-1-PSA-10-FRANK-THOMAS-UD-500-HOME-RUN-BAT-CARD-AUTOGRAPH-AUTO-PSA-DNA-HOF-/311494464030?hash=item488684521e%3Ag%3AvJkAAOSwBahVaJZ7&nma=true&si=UZJysa%252Fq%252FR3GzTtQsRzhHOHLjHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

But the latter also has the Pop 1 on PSA going for it so it's not just the autograph creating the value.

[hche]

The auto and printed name severely devalue this card, what was the seller thinking? Seller probably saw how much an unaltered NNOF sold for and thought that getting it signed would increase the value. Sometimes an auto on a non auto card completely kills the card. I'd hate to see a 2011 Topps Update Hope Diamond /65 signed by Trout.

Both Trout 2011 Bowman Sterling 1/1 Rc (red and carnary diamond) were signed by Trout during an IP signing session. :doh::doh::doh:

MIKE TROUT 2011 - DIAMOND CANARY and RED STERLING/AUTO - Both 1/1 STUNNING! | #505603403 (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/mike-trout-2011-diamond-canary-red-505603403)

[jedi500]

Both Trout 2011 Bowman Sterling 1/1 Rc (red and carnary diamond) were signed by Trout during an IP signing session. :doh::doh::doh:

MIKE TROUT 2011 - DIAMOND CANARY and RED STERLING/AUTO - Both 1/1 STUNNING! | #505603403 (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/mike-trout-2011-diamond-canary-red-505603403)

WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH the Humanity!!!!!!

[Ty Hope]

What if he had it slabbed, Frank signed the actual case not the card, then got the slabbed case psa dna'd? Serious question. Very easy to wipe or reslab.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

I am shocked that anyone would do that and think it would increase the value of the card that much. That card is ruined if you ask me but to each their own.

[mrmopar]

For those who say the autograph "ruined" the value, you have apparently not seen prices for many aftermarket autographed cards, even on rare and unique cards. It may take some time for the right buyer to pay a premium, but I have no doubt it will. Not what he is asking, but a reasonable price.

[sbfinley]

I am shocked that anyone would do that and think it would increase the value of the card that much. That card is ruined if you ask me but to each their own.

We pay hundreds and thousands of dollars for pictures of men playing a child's game. I don't think there is a rhyme or reason of anything we do.

[ARich]

Cool card, but that price. Lol

[Jmort23]

We pay hundreds and thousands of dollars for pictures of men playing a child's game. I don't think there is a rhyme or reason of anything we do.

I'm a collector (obviously) and I would love to still have one of these cards in my position. But at the same time I'm laughing hysterically.
Frank Thomas, HOF, Comedian!
Jeff

[ksemmel]

This is awesome.

[ninjacookies]

I don't necessarily have a problem with the choice of card or the execution.

My biggest concern is the pen used. Jesus. Why used a fine tip pen when you can use the same brick they use to label the boxes at fedex. A better pen would have made the card look 100x better, and his name much more legible.

[mhcook]

Imo I think it's pretty cool. You probably won't see another on out there like it ever, unless somebody has the balls to have on signed since it seems not too many people would get it done.

Now think of it this way, what if instead of some guy getting it signed at an event, what if Topps were to buyback one or say even 5 of the no names, had Frank sign it and put his name in as the inscription and packed these out. What type of value do you think that would have?
I don't know the market on this card well enough to put a dollar amount on it if Topps issued this in Archives or a similar product, but I would think the price would be insane high. I'm a fan of the Archives signatures and think it would be really cool too.

[Kollectornet]

I am kind of torn on this one. I think that it is a souvenir now. It has value because it is his Rookie card that is signed. I don't think it is ruined. I would just keep it in my collection and add another NNOF to the collection.

[whitesoxfan3579]

Lots of interesting responses in this thread:)

[speedyjg13]

Both Trout 2011 Bowman Sterling 1/1 Rc (red and carnary diamond) were signed by Trout during an IP signing session. :doh::doh::doh:

MIKE TROUT 2011 - DIAMOND CANARY and RED STERLING/AUTO - Both 1/1 STUNNING! | #505603403 (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/mike-trout-2011-diamond-canary-red-505603403)

The owner of those cards is a member here. I remember he posted the pictures here a while back

[jrinne17]

Pretty unique card now, it will appeal to some collector but he will never get close to his asking price. I see no issue with people doing this or even getting 1/1 cards autographed. Some of you need to lighten up and realize there are a handful of these NNOF cards out there.

[FunnyBoxBreak20]

If I won the lottery I would buy this card in a second. I think it would be an amazing story because I would tell all my friends that I got Frank Thomas to sign it. That one time I saw him at a grocery store in Chicago and I just happen to be carrying this super rare card around with me.

[Whodey14]

I would certainly take this card over the same condition unsigned version. Wouldn't pay a crazy premium but I am sure someone will pay too much for it.

[HOFAutoRookies]

Signing it most certainly raised the price.

As for the Trout's, they were almost mine 4-5 years ago :(

[3AND4]

I personally love it. Its Frank himself that put his name on it. Its still the error card with a signature, a printed name, & a cool story (Frank doing it).

Now a question for the board. With the 1982-83 Wrestling all stars sets. I personally have gotten a few cards signed & there are others that have complete sets signed.

Do you view those cards as ruined? They are scarce & iconic cards for wrestling fans.
Wonder the print runs of those sets compared to the Thomas error.

[whitesoxfan3579]

One could argue that the seller of the 1990 Topps base RC Thomas significantly increased the value of the card by having Thomas sign the card ($1 base card versus $29 realized value of auto base card), however I wonder if the cost was worth it to him (i.e. psa, ebay, and paypal fees). As an aside, the PSA 8 (unaltered) NNOF version is a thing of beauty. A diamond may be a be a girl's best friend, however I wish that card could be my best friend...

A reminder for everyone........

Frank Thomas autograph market be like.....
Frank Thomas Signed 1990 Topps RC AUTO PSA/DNA 26549437 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Frank-Thomas-Signed-1990-Topps-RC-AUTO-PSA-DNA-26549437-/112263781003?hash=item1a23715a8b%3Ag%3Av48AAOSwZQRYc-Zp&nma=true&si=UZJysa%252Fq%252FR3GzTtQsRzhHOHLjHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Frank Thomas NNOF market be like.......
1990 Topps Frank Thomas #414 No Name On Front PSA 8 high end (Real Deal) nnof | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Topps-Frank-Thomas-414-No-Name-On-Front-PSA-8-high-end-Real-Deal-nnof-/162341965920?hash=item25cc55d060%3Ag%3A06UAAOSwmfhX3ej2&nma=true&si=UZJysa%252Fq%252FR3GzTtQsRzhHOHLjHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

The guy is definitely rolling the dice in my opinion. He compromised the originality of the card which is what dorky card collectors want. Sure, a lot of us think it's cool signed but that's a lot different than finding a buyer willing to pay more than an original NNOF.

[RyanMDnyc]

i dig it

[rcgdodge]

I don't like it.....I'd rather have one of the reprint NNOFs signed.

I'd like to have a real NNOF, someday maybe. :)

[whitesoxfan3579]

Wow man. I am VERY IMPRESSED with your research. Your findings indicate that an auto can certainly increase the value of a card. The question is how much? On that note, I wish there was a way to quantify the amount of "card premium" placed on the PSA 10 ranking and the registry (pop 1, wow) into the realized value of the card, however I understand that this is nearly impossible to pin down because buyers utilize different set of inputs to value a card (i.e. collectibility, "sell-ability"), and so forth.

Also, what cards (auto or non-auto, similar "rarity" of the same player with a card in one set and a card in another set) with the same condition placed on both cards in question does the card premium apply? For instance, why does a 1996 Finest Intimidator refractor Frank Thomas (hobby odds 1:288-baseballcardpedia) go for a lot more than a 1999 Ultra Diamond Producer Frank Thomas (hobby odds 1:288-baseballcardpedia)? This may not be the best example out there, but it's what first came to mind.

Bottom line is I think the monetary value of a card boils down to the price that a person reasonably interested in buying a given card would pay to a person reasonably interested in selling the same card with the huge caveat being that reason and logic appear to go out the window in many instances when cards are involved (I am certainly guilty of this too)...

But I guess here's a counter-example of an autograph adding high-end value to a lower end, iconic card:

BGS 9.5 - $100
FRANK THOMAS 2008 A PIECE OF HISTORY 500 CLUB BAT CARD (XELXX1) BGS 9.5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRANK-THOMAS-2008-A-PIECE-OF-HISTORY-500-CLUB-BAT-CARD-XELXX1-BGS-9-5-/351420596519?hash=item51d24cc127:g:ePMAAOSwZd1VdF4I)


PSA 10, Autographed - $1,000:
POP 1 PSA 10 FRANK THOMAS UD 500 HOME RUN BAT CARD AUTOGRAPH AUTO PSA/DNA HOF | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/POP-1-PSA-10-FRANK-THOMAS-UD-500-HOME-RUN-BAT-CARD-AUTOGRAPH-AUTO-PSA-DNA-HOF-/311494464030?hash=item488684521e%3Ag%3AvJkAAOSwBahVaJZ7&nma=true&si=UZJysa%252Fq%252FR3GzTtQsRzhHOHLjHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

But the latter also has the Pop 1 on PSA going for it so it's not just the autograph creating the value.

[joey_peapod]

99% of the time having a rare card signed IP descreses the value. If I came across rare 90s a Griffeys all signed IP I wanted I would be pissed. People want it the way it was originally pulled from packs. Hence why current alive players IP auto cards don't sell more than a few bucks mostly

[BGT Masters]

There are people out there that collect rookie autographs so there is that market. I had a Ken Caminiti I got personally signed on a 1988 Topps card in 1992. The card was folded in half at one point and beat to heck. The buyer was still happy to find the card to help complete the collection. I think I got $30-$40 for it.

I don't mind the autograph on the card, I could do without him filling in the no name part though. I would prefer a non auto copy, but if I had both I wouldn't mind.

[sthoemke]

Frank Thomas should have wrote "1/1" on the card.

[mattjc1983]

99% of the time having a rare card signed IP descreses the value. If I came across rare 90s a Griffeys all signed IP I wanted I would be pissed. People want it the way it was originally pulled from packs. Hence why current alive players IP auto cards don't sell more than a few bucks mostly



Though part of that is also skepticism of the authenticity of claimed IP autos v pack pulled, the latter of which are cheap enough that for many people it's worth the premium for a little more peace of mind.

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[bswhiten]

Could be a 1990 reprint that was then signed. That's why psa only says "trading card" on blue flips now.

[djohn]

My first thoughts when I saw that was COOL, but what a waste of a great card. However the more I look at it, the more I like it. No way I would pay anywhere near what the seller is asking. However considering the card does have some wear to the bottom edge and top corner, I think the value doesn't get hurt as much as if the card was in mint condition.

[superdan49]

If this NNOF Thomas is low grade, I think the autograph will increase its value. I use as my supporting evidence this card, the rare 1952 Topps Frank Campos Black Star. This autographed example, with the card graded PSA 2.5, sold for $3,600 (http://loveofthegameauctions.com/Impossibly_Rare_AUTOGRAPHED_1952_Topps__307_Frank_-LOT9151.aspx) at a recent Love of the Game auction. The same card, without the auto, in a PSA 3 holder, sold for $1,153 last summer at a Mile High auction.

[whitesoxfan3579]

its backkkkkkkkkkkkk:

FRANK THOMAS NNOF 1990 TOPPS PERSONALLY CORRECTED BY FRANK THOMAS! | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/182504043721?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

[3AND4]

its backkkkkkkkkkkkk:

FRANK THOMAS NNOF 1990 TOPPS PERSONALLY CORRECTED BY FRANK THOMAS! | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/182504043721?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)



How much is the regular non graded card $1000? Thomas Auto + Inscription $150? Encapsulating $100?


That guy is nuts!

[magicpapa]

99% of the time having a rare card signed IP descreses the value. If I came across rare 90s a Griffeys all signed IP I wanted I would be pissed. People want it the way it was originally pulled from packs. Hence why current alive players IP auto cards don't sell more than a few bucks mostly

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/mnbamboozled/griffeys/MISC/crusade-auto.jpg

[HYPTZEMDSTRPLES]

Still hasn't sold. I don't see anyone giving anywhere near $30000 for it. What would the Thomas collectors here give for it?

[whitesoxfan3579]

Still hasn't sold. I don't see anyone giving anywhere near $30000 for it. What would the Thomas collectors here give for it?

For me personally that card is ruined. I don't want it.

On the other hand, I would love to own the original NNOF card. Maybe one day.

[HYPTZEMDSTRPLES]

Eh, I wouldn't say ruined. But I'd rather have it in it's original form. The asking price is nuts though. Can you not see how many offers a card has anymore?

[cyndeeg3]

I think that's pretty awesome. Agree - very cool card. They need to make many more similar cards. Take ANY iconic cards from the past 25 years, auto them, stamp as a buyback/recollection collection and throw them in the packs. Not tough to do and people would eat em up, well, I would, at least. :-)

[mlbexpert]

Agree - very cool card. They need to make many more similar cards. Take ANY iconic cards from the past 25 years, auto them, stamp as a buyback/recollection collection and throw them in the packs. Not tough to do and people would eat em up, well, I would, at least. :-)

Topps already does exactly this with retired players. And will be doing it with active players for the first time this year.

[daveyc1]

Im a thomas collector and I like the card. I have considered doing this myself, however, both of my nnof are high grade and I would not do the inscription on those. If I had a raggedy raw version, or a psa 2 or 3, sure I would go to a signing and get frank to sign/inscribe it. It's a cool idea, but not 30k cool.

[hatchd]

Still hasn't sold. I don't see anyone giving anywhere near $30000 for it. What would the Thomas collectors here give for it?

It's probably a psa 3ish which goes for about $2300. If I didn't care about the money I'd pay $3500-$5000 if I didn't think I could get it done myself. I'd seriously consider buying a psa 3, cracking it and spending the extra $1500 flying somewhere and doing this same thing in person instead of buying this one. IMO it's probably the coolest piece of thomas memorabilia I've ever seen. The only thing that could top it is a piece of autographed rebar

[Tom Oates]

I think it's great.mtgis is one of the most famous cards in the hobby. The back story makes this "correction" amusing and highly collectible to me. If I had the choice between the regular signed NNOF and this card, I would take this one all day!