Kyrie Irving believes the world is flat?!?!

[smalltown]

I have very few words for this?

"This is not even a conspiracy theory," Irving said, not in a joking manner. "The Earth is flat."

link (http://www.thescore.com/news/1234625)

[JasonM32]

Holy crap dude. Kyrie Irving is either an A-level troll or he's a total idiot.

Thank God he's good a dribbling a basketball.

[asujbl]

Kyrie won a title for Cleveland

I don't care if he thinks the earth is a damn hexagon. Do you Kyrie.

[Skipscards]

Here's more. Man, he is dumb. Hey everyone, just so you know: Kyrie Irving believes the Earth is flat (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hey-everyone-just-so-you-know-kyrie-irving-believes-the-earth-is-flat-222937229.html)

[SanAntonioSpurs]

:doh:

[Rareairx23]

Gotta say, i got to the part where the blue "read more" extension tag is, and decided i had seen enough lol

[Spooks]

We'll it's definitely not a spinning ball. Sorry guys. Everyone knows this... except the general population.

[IronMonkey415]

Let him believe what he wants.

I believe in aliens, does that me a freak? Of course not.

[ljandkg]

Wonder where he thinks the end of the Earth is?

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

Why Kyrie...... just why?

What evidence exist that supports his belief? It always amazes me how people take contrarian stances on topics that are well understood to be true and have no scientific evidence to prove otherwise.

(habitual conspiracy theorist)

[8collector34]

You got to love America. The fact that this guy can make a living, much less make millions, wow. Only in America. There is a show called the View with Whoopi Goldberg. There was one chick there who also thought that the earth is flat and people lived with dinosaurs about 2000 years ago. I really, really, hope he is just joking, or else I lost all my respect for Kyrie. Even if you can ball, there is no excuse to being an idiot, unless you are mentally challenged.

[M4YH3M1]

No way. seriously no way.

super troll.

[Chain]

And Shaq thought the moon was about as close as california. You just can't have everything. But it's alright.

[BostonNut]

What happens when you reach the edge?

And how does the ocean not spill over the edge?

I have just so many questions...

[6celtics33]

What happens when you reach the edge?

And how does the ocean not spill over the edge?

I have just so many questions...

It's like an infinity pool, just feeds back into itself. That's how the Pacific is anyway.

[Andy5]

Has to be trolling. He should hop on an aircraft, fly directly East of Ohio and see what happens.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

Ironic thing is he takes over 100 flights a year and never bothered to....... LOOK OUT OF THE GOD DAMN WINDOW!

[asujbl]

Don't forget Kyrie is technically Australian. If he had an accent this whole thing would be so cute.

[IamRalpho]

Dont send your kids to Duke folks

But yeah him doubling down just made me cringe

[Spooks]

Ironic thing is he takes over 100 flights a year and never bothered to....... LOOK OUT OF THE GOD DAMN WINDOW!

If we do this what would we see?

[JMarchand1981]

Ironic thing is he takes over 100 flights a year and never bothered to....... LOOK OUT OF THE GOD DAMN WINDOW!

This is very funny.

[8collector34]

If we do this what would we see?

http://www.photographyblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/AirplaneWindow25.jpg

The curvature of planet Earth.

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/70639/grotto_.jpg

Or just go to the beach.

Maybe Kyrie has never had a window seat before, or been to the beach.

[duron]

The saddest thing no one's mentioned yet is how there's a sizable community that believes this.

The main message board dedicated to it is the most unintentionally hilarious site so far in history...
The Flat Earth Society - Index (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/)

[Skybox]

Master level troll

[duron]

Master level troll

I thought that at first too, but did you read some of his paragraph-long quotes in certain articles? He says a lot more than what was captured on that RJ podcast. It almost makes me think he's serious.

[lyyca]

Good! My respect for Kyrie just behind the firmament.

[rman112]

It's almost as if the average professional athlete is a complete moron.

Who would have thought?

[duron]

It's almost as if the average professional athlete is a complete moron.

Who would have thought?

Bruh, if he's not actually trolling, you know damn well this is a SPECIAL kind of derp.

[rman112]

Bruh, if he's not actually trolling, you know damn well this is a SPECIAL kind of derp.

Haha.. absolutely!

[the27guy]

I feel like this is going to be some kind of political "alternative facts" stunt that culminates at the all star game.

[Bulls90s]

I guess Mother Nature is fake...tornadoes and hurricanes r fake...smfh

[Andy5]

Wilson Chandler has lost the plot too.

[ninjacookies]

Unfortunately, not trolling.

Welcome to the new millennial hipster era and flat earthers. Where we'll take a contrarian stance on any and everything just to 'fight the system.'

[sOuLspin]

Did he said it as the old Uncle Drew or as the real young gun?

[vto47]

man, I love it how these sort of things make the headlines

[jj2]

Very fake news.

[CardHobby]

thought he went to a prestigious school

[JMys55]

Unfortunately, not trolling.

Welcome to the new millennial hipster era and flat earthers. Where we'll take a contrarian stance on any and everything just to 'fight the system.'
This. But it's not just hipsters, it's all age groups.

Reality is now based on what people feel and think, regardless if it has been scientifically proven or disproven. We're evolving backwards.

[Hess687]

I'm not sure why this matters? How does this affect anyone? One guy thinks the Earth is flat and people start losing their minds. Who cares? Good for this kid to go out on a limb and state his beliefs.

Billions of people believe in God (me being one of them). Yet Kyrie is the crazy one.

Okay.

[6celtics33]

I'm not sure why this matters? How does this affect anyone? One guy thinks the Earth is flat and people start losing their minds. Who cares? Good for this kid to go out on a limb and state his beliefs.

Billions of people believe in God (me being one of them). Yet Kyrie is the crazy one.

Okay.

God is a belief regardless of which way you fall on that one.

The Earth has been proven to not be flat. No room for interpretation.

[Hess687]

God is a belief regardless of which way you fall on that one.

The Earth has been proven to not be flat. No room for interpretation.

Just because a scientist says the "Earth is flat" doesn't prove to mean it's true. There have been many things scientists have said only years later to come back and say otherwise. So there's definitely room for interpretation.

That's like taking the media for its word and we see how that's been blowing up in everyone's faces lately.

And before everyone piles on, potentially, I do believe the Earth is round. All I'm saying is if a guy doesn't want to take the word of a scientist on reasons why the Earth is round, who are we to argue? And why does it matter? People are allowed to have difference of opinions, it's what makes this country great.

What makes this country not so great is when people pile on a person for having a different view point than their own.

[Scottish Punk]

Just because a scientist says the "Earth is flat" doesn't prove to mean it's true. There have been many things scientists have said only years later to come back and say otherwise. So there's definitely room for interpretation.

That's like taking the media for its word and we see how that's been blowing up in everyone's faces lately.

And before everyone piles on, potentially, I do believe the Earth is round. All I'm saying is if a guy doesn't want to take the word of a scientist on reasons why the Earth is round, who are we to argue? And why does it matter? People are allowed to have difference of opinions, it's what makes this country great.

What makes this country not so great is when people pile on a person for having a different view point than their own.

You are going to get piled on. The root of the problem is you don't get to have an opinion on scientific fact. It just is. Two molecules of Hydrogen and one of Oxygen will in fact create water whether you "believe" or not. I do get that this really doesn't matter too much in the long run if one stupid athlete is spouting nonsense.

[6celtics33]

@Hess.... Do you believe photos from space? Do you believe flying west will eventually get you to the east somehow and not dumped over the end of the flat world?

I agree too that people can believe what they want and I don't absorb what the media tries to feed me. I'm just not sure this is the example to get on the soap box about.

[chris_ac]

Just because a scientist says the "Earth is flat" doesn't prove to mean it's true. There have been many things scientists have said only years later to come back and say otherwise. So there's definitely room for interpretation.

That's like taking the media for its word and we see how that's been blowing up in everyone's faces lately.

And before everyone piles on, potentially, I do believe the Earth is round. All I'm saying is if a guy doesn't want to take the word of a scientist on reasons why the Earth is round, who are we to argue? And why does it matter? People are allowed to have difference of opinions, it's what makes this country great.

What makes this country not so great is when people pile on a person for having a different view point than their own.

Fine, but when the people that govern have this viewpoint and dictate law and policy for all people with these views guiding them, then piling on is necessary. It won't change anything because too many religious people, but even the founding fathers knew to govern there should be no religious test. Too many people think this nation was founded as Christian, when in reality because of the times, if you were an atheist or at least agnostic, you just kept it to yourself and still attended church for appearances.

Religion is completely all well and good as long as it does not leave your home or place of worship.

As for Kyrie, a wide percentage of athletes are Christian, so can't really get around that.

[Cervantes]

The earth is round, Kyrie.

You don't get to have an opinion on this. It is a fact, so if you feel otherwise, that is called wrong. W. R. O. N. G.

You can have an opinion on politics. You can have an opinion on a movie. You can have an opinion on Lebron's hairline.

You are either right or wrong when it comes to the round/flat debate.

[AbraCalabro]

[IMG]https://sportscardalbum.com/c/wyud7off.jpg

I have been at the very least, suspended for MUCH less than this, if I were you I'd edit the post. You can't even post **** or you could be suspended, seriously, LOL.

[Hess687]

You are going to get piled on. The root of the problem is you don't get to have an opinion on scientific fact. It just is. Two molecules of Hydrogen and one of Oxygen will in fact create water whether you "believe" or not. I do get that this really doesn't matter too much in the long run if one stupid athlete is spouting nonsense.

Of course you get an opinion. Even scientists have opinions on other scientists' research. A lot of that research previously done in years past has since been proven wrong by other scientists.

We are an ever evolving world. Finding new information out daily/yearly. New species are found, water is found on Mars, other planets are inhabitable. None of these things would have been possible if we just would have taken the original scientist's word for it.

@Hess.... Do you believe photos from space? Do you believe flying west will eventually get you to the east somehow and not dumped over the end of the flat world?

I agree too that people can believe what they want and I don't absorb what the media tries to feed me. I'm just not sure this is the example to get on the soap box about.

I've already mentioned I believe the world is round, but there is an ever growing population of people who disagree. I may not believe in what they believe in, but I support their right to believe in it.

The earth is round, Kyrie.

You don't get to have an opinion on this. It is a fact, so if you feel otherwise, that is called wrong. W. R. O. N. G.

You can have an opinion on politics. You can have an opinion on a movie. You can have an opinion on Lebron's hairline.

You are either right or wrong when it comes to the round/flat debate.

Everyone gets an opinion. See above rebuttal to first post.

And your last sentence can be interpreted as:

Person A believes in the round Earth therefore they are right and Person B is wrong.

But at the same time, it can be viewed as such:

Person B believes in the flat Earth therefore Person A is wrong.

It's way too early for me spend my day on here. It's my dog's birthday, I'm gonna go take her to go get some treats and some new toys.

But continue the conversation, I'll be back on. The message board is a lot more fun when an actual conversation is being had. Thanks to those with intelligent, thought out responses so far.

[Spooks]

The curvature of planet Earth

Or just go to the beach.

Maybe Kyrie has never had a window seat before, or been to the beach.

Those pictures are a laughable joke. Try it yourself. Or find some other ones that are not photoshopped or using a fish eye lens.

Why does everyone say the earth is round anyway? A flat disc is round. You should say spinning ball if that is what you believe in.

[mrveggieman]

Millions of people who vote also believe that the world is flat. Some of them are in congress.

[Andy5]

Why does everyone say the earth is round anyway? A flat disc is round. You should say spinning ball if that is what you believe in.

Good call. The Earth is a Sphere. If it were not, then you would be saying the moon, sun, planets are all flat too. Are asteroids flat? Laws of gravity would be thrown out.

[andy88c]

Let's start a gofundme to send Kyrie on a space shuttle as an astronaut so he can see the Earth (as a sphere) from far away...

[SDcardguy24]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4-Dt7OVYAA7tjg.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4-TAOMVYAAwQ53.jpg

[Andy5]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4-Dt7OVYAA7tjg.jpg


This guy calling other people fools.

[Spooks]

Good call. The Earth is a Sphere. If it were not, then you would be saying the moon, sun, planets are all flat too. Are asteroids flat? Laws of gravity would be thrown out.

I'm sorry to say but everything you've been told is garbage. Sucks to learn I know. This is being released for a reason. I'm mean here we are on a sport collecting forum discussing it. Crazy.

[pgisback]

Just because a scientist says the "Earth is flat" doesn't prove to mean it's true. There have been many things scientists have said only years later to come back and say otherwise. So there's definitely room for interpretation.

That's like taking the media for its word and we see how that's been blowing up in everyone's faces lately.

And before everyone piles on, potentially, I do believe the Earth is round. All I'm saying is if a guy doesn't want to take the word of a scientist on reasons why the Earth is round, who are we to argue? And why does it matter? People are allowed to have difference of opinions, it's what makes this country great.

What makes this country not so great is when people pile on a person for having a different view point than their own.

It's not "a scientist". It's science... that's been proven. There is no argument to make unless you believe in magic. And it matters because it shows the guy is an idiot.

[ljandkg]

We really need a 'Classic threads' section where stuff like this can be dumped and read at a later date...

And now we cross LIVE to the ISS for footage of the sphere/spinning ball....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc


What a fruit loop....

[ljandkg]

Quite peaceful isn't it......

[pgisback]

We really need a 'Classic threads' section where stuff like this can be dumped and read at a later date...

And now we cross LIVE to the ISS for footage of the sphere/spinning ball....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc


What a fruit loop....

Amazing....

[Andy5]

I'm sorry to say but everything you've been told is garbage. Sucks to learn I know. This is being released for a reason. I'm mean here we are on a sport collecting forum discussing it. Crazy.

I've learnt enough to understand the accepted way in which the universe works. I was going to go into a deep discussion on it but you're right, we're on a card forum.

[8collector34]

Maybe this will turn out to be an Expedia commercial or something.

[Spooks]

Amazing....

Amazing CGI. Where are all those "satellites"? Lol.

The cat's out of the bag now. Time to adapt. They'll probably start throwing the space agencies under the bus.

[Andy5]

Amazing CGI. Where are all those "satellites"? Lol.

The cat's out of the bag now. Time to adapt. They'll probably start throwing the space agencies under the bus.

Oh shoot, I didn't know you were one of those people. I understand now.

[pgisback]

Amazing CGI. Where are all those "satellites"? Lol.

The cat's out of the bag now. Time to adapt. They'll probably start throwing the space agencies under the bus.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg

[exoticprince]

Flat, square, round, whatever he wants it to be

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y338/exoticprince/random/EA203D97-C902-4078-9812-AE75DBD1D9F2_zpsusfdcexs.jpg (http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/exoticprince/media/random/EA203D97-C902-4078-9812-AE75DBD1D9F2_zpsusfdcexs.jpg.html)

[Spooks]

Oh shoot, I didn't know you were one of those people. I understand now.

Hey man I don't know anything. Hopefully my PC gains value from this somehow.

[kairi-2008]

Dropped on his head at birth.
The rest of the team should demand a trade.

[jj2]

Hey man I don't know anything. Hopefully my PC gains value from this somehow.

:)!:)!:)!

[Hess687]

It's not "a scientist". It's science... that's been proven. There is no argument to make unless you believe in magic. And it matters because it shows the guy is an idiot.

Once again a lot of things have been proven and then debunked years later. If you were to ask someone in the 70's whether or not another planet was inhabitable their response would have been quite like yours, not unless "You believe in magic."

As humans we do not have the capability to understand/explain/comprehend everything science has to offer. We are learning more and more with every passing day and how long has the Earth been around? The world just saw an animal for the first time in 20 years this past week. Twenty years! Think about all the other things we have yet to discover or what we thought was a myth and was actually true.

Science has become nothing more than man's way of trying to explain the unexplainable.

If you'd like to relate it to sports, if using data science, given the info on the score of the game, time remaining and game flow, the New England Patriots chances of winning this past Super Bowl at one time were around .03%. Yet look at the outcome.

There are too many factors humans cannot understand to simply say, "This is exactly how this works." We only try to explain to the best of our knowledge.

Your knowledge says the Earth is round. Kyrie's knowledge says the Earth is flat.

In the end, none of this matters.

[pgisback]

Once again a lot of things have been proven and then debunked years later. If you were to ask someone in the 70's whether or not another planet was inhabitable their response would have been quite like yours, not unless "You believe in magic."

As humans we do not have the capability to understand/explain/comprehend everything science has to offer. We are learning more and more with every passing day and how long has the Earth been around? The world just saw an animal for the first time in 20 years this past week. Twenty years! Think about all the other things we have yet to discover or what we thought was a myth and was actually true.

Science has become nothing more than man's way of trying to explain the unexplainable.

If you'd like to relate it to sports, if using data science, given the info on the score of the game, time remaining and game flow, the New England Patriots chances of winning this past Super Bowl at one time were around .03%. Yet look at the outcome.

There are too many factors humans cannot understand to simply say, "This is exactly how this works." We only try to explain to the best of our knowledge.

Your knowledge says the Earth is round. Kyrie's knowledge says the Earth is flat.

In the end, none of this matters.

Yes, but science progresses. People believed the Earth was flat because they didn't have evidence to prove otherwise. The evidence was found that it is not flat. They are not going to find any evidence that it is flat now because it doesn't exist. You have to be an absolute idiot to believe the Earth is flat.

[Andy5]

Yes, but science progresses. People believed the Earth was flat because there wasn't evidence to prove otherwise. The evidence was found that it is not flat. They are not going to find any evidence that it is flat now because it doesn't exist. You have to be an absolute idiot to believe the Earth is flat.

There's no point going on about it man. People will believe anything these days.

[NickM]

Once again a lot of things have been proven and then debunked years later. If you were to ask someone in the 70's whether or not another planet was inhabitable their response would have been quite like yours, not unless "You believe in magic."

As humans we do not have the capability to understand/explain/comprehend everything science has to offer. We are learning more and more with every passing day and how long has the Earth been around? The world just saw an animal for the first time in 20 years this past week. Twenty years! Think about all the other things we have yet to discover or what we thought was a myth and was actually true.

Science has become nothing more than man's way of trying to explain the unexplainable.

If you'd like to relate it to sports, if using data science, given the info on the score of the game, time remaining and game flow, the New England Patriots chances of winning this past Super Bowl at one time were around .03%. Yet look at the outcome.

There are too many factors humans cannot understand to simply say, "This is exactly how this works." We only try to explain to the best of our knowledge.

Your knowledge says the Earth is round. Kyrie's knowledge says the Earth is flat.

In the end, none of this matters.

THERE ARE PICTURES AND VIDEOS. There are no corners, no edges.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Andy5]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSQ7rGhxO97m2qlcSfP-Z3OkikTPGmX5lJ4HY2t6ejAaQr_UuLz1NXouFAK1A

[jj2]

Once again a lot of things have been proven and then debunked years later. If you were to ask someone in the 70's whether or not another planet was inhabitable their response would have been quite like yours, not unless "You believe in magic."

I don't think that's the case. There are countless planets out there. Planets that we don't even know about yet. We can't possibly know if any of them are inhabitable.

As humans we do not have the capability to understand/explain/comprehend everything science has to offer. We are learning more and more with every passing day and how long has the Earth been around? The world just saw an animal for the first time in 20 years this past week. Twenty years! Think about all the other things we have yet to discover or what we thought was a myth and was actually true.

We've got a pretty good idea about how old the earth is.

Science has become nothing more than man's way of trying to explain the unexplainable.

That's what it's always been.

If you'd like to relate it to sports, if using data science, given the info on the score of the game, time remaining and game flow, the New England Patriots chances of winning this past Super Bowl at one time were around .03%. Yet look at the outcome.

That's statistics.

As someone already pointed out, this is not the item to latch onto to try and prove your point. It's way too far out there.

[Hess687]

Yes, but science progresses. People believed the Earth was flat because there wasn't evidence to prove otherwise. The evidence was found that it is not flat. They are not going to find any evidence that it is flat now because it doesn't exist. You have to be an absolute idiot to believe the Earth is flat.

People also believed there was no way another planet was inhabitable because there wasn't evidence to prove otherwise. The evidence was found, during that time period, that all other planets were not inhabitable. But yet here we are, years upon years later looking to start putting people on other planets. Science progressed (you are correct). At one time someone said, "You aren't going to find any evidence other planets are inhabitable because it doesn't exist." But yet, as time went on, people tested that theory and found out otherwise.

Who's to say we just aren't in the early stages of just believing the Earth is a sphere and will only come to find out later the Earth is truly flat. That the only reason the Earth appears as a sphere in space is due to some unexplainable distortion that occurs once leaving Earth's atmosphere that makes everything resemble a round spherical object? Maybe we haven't gotten that far yet.

Listen, I believe the Earth is a sphere. I do. But we need people to question facts, it's how we progress. If we took everything for what it's worth, then there would be no progression and everyone would live in mediocrity. Questioning/intrigue leads to great things, just look at Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford, etc....

People view this as "tin foil" hat thinking and mock those who think differently, but all it takes is one Steve Jobs or Bill Gates to say, "Ha! I told you so."

[pgisback]

People also believed there was no way another planet was inhabitable because there wasn't evidence to prove otherwise. The evidence was found, during that time period, that all other planets were not inhabitable. But yet here we are, years upon years later looking to start putting people on other planets. Science progressed (you are correct). At one time someone said, "You aren't going to find any evidence other planets are inhabitable because it doesn't exist." But yet, as time went on, people tested that theory and found out otherwise.

Who's to say we just aren't in the early stages of just believing the Earth is a sphere and will only come to find out later the Earth is truly flat. That the only reason the Earth appears as a sphere in space is due to some unexplainable distortion that occurs once leaving Earth's atmosphere that makes everything resemble a round spherical object? Maybe we haven't gotten that far yet.

Listen, I believe the Earth is a sphere. I do. But we need people to question facts, it's how we progress. If we took everything for what it's worth, then there would be no progression and everyone would live in mediocrity. Questioning/intrigue leads to great things, just look at Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford, etc....

People view this as "tin foil" hat thinking and mock those who think differently, but all it takes is one Steve Jobs or Bill Gates to say, "Ha! I told you so."

You don't need to be smart to understand the Earth is round. Some dude observed it and figured it out centuries before computers were even invented, haha. Now they have complex mathematics that can measure the curvature of the Earth. Tell engineers that build GPS systems that the Earth is flat. That would boggle their minds and create a whole new world of magic math. The fact you are even arguing that there is any legitimacy to questioning whether or not the Earth is round is embarrassing.

[jj2]

Listen, I believe the Earth is a sphere. I do. But we need people to question facts, it's how we progress. If we took everything for what it's worth, then there would be no progression and everyone would live in mediocrity. Questioning/intrigue leads to great things, just look at Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford, etc....

We don't need people to question whether the Earth is flat or not. Just like we don't need a debate on whether the sky is blue.

If you (not you personally) question whether the earth is really round you're not being edgy and a deep thinking. You're just being stupid.

I'm still not convinced Kyrie isn't just trolling.

[jcardstore]

Just because a scientist says the "Earth is flat" doesn't prove to mean it's true. There have been many things scientists have said only years later to come back and say otherwise. So there's definitely room for interpretation.

That's like taking the media for its word and we see how that's been blowing up in everyone's faces lately.

And before everyone piles on, potentially, I do believe the Earth is round. All I'm saying is if a guy doesn't want to take the word of a scientist on reasons why the Earth is round, who are we to argue? And why does it matter? People are allowed to have difference of opinions, it's what makes this country great.

What makes this country not so great is when people pile on a person for having a different view point than their own.

You can have different opinions. A scientific fact is true whether you choose to believe it or not. There's no "room for interpretation"

[Hess687]

You don't need to be smart to understand the Earth is round. Some dude observed it and figured it out centuries before computers were even invented, haha. Now they have complex mathematics that can measure the curvature of the Earth. Tell engineers that build GPS systems that the Earth is flat. That would boggle their minds and create a whole new world of magic math. The fact you are even arguing that there is any legitimacy to questioning whether or not the Earth is round is embarrassing.

And here I was thinking we were actually having an adult conversation.

Have you ever heard of a debate? Where one person takes one side and the other person takes the other? You see, person A doesn't necessarily have to believe in his argument, he just has to portray information in a manner that gets people to doubt what the other is saying. He doesn't have to be right.

Once again, if we aren't questioning the legitimacy of everything, we will never truly evolve. Asking questions is how we got to where we are today.

And centuries ago some "dude" discovered planets and said this is where they're located and this is how many we have. And yet here we are again today saying there's even more than originally stated. Your mathematicians have been wrong in the past as well. Who's to say they aren't wrong again?

And also, what's truly embarrassing is you take everything for it's word and when someone doesn't see something your way then you resort to saying they should be embarrassed. This is where a debate is lost. Even though you may be frustrated with someone else's point of view, never resort to the "You should be embarrassed" line or the name calling line either. It reflects negatively on you. It expresses frustration and the crowd listening will turn on you even if you are right.

But don't worry, in an internet world filled of trolls, you'll have plenty of backers online.

I'm out.

[pgisback]

And here I was thinking we were actually having an adult conversation.

Have you ever heard of a debate? Where one person takes one side and the other person takes the other? You see, person A doesn't necessarily have to believe in his argument, he just has to portray information in a manner that gets people to doubt what the other is saying. He doesn't have to be right.

Once again, if we aren't questioning the legitimacy of everything, we will never truly evolve. Asking questions is how we got to where we are today.

And centuries ago some "dude" discovered planets and said this is where they're located and this is how many we have. And yet here we are again today saying there's even more than originally stated. Your mathematicians have been wrong in the past as well. Who's to say they aren't wrong again?

And also, what's truly embarrassing is you take everything for it's word and when someone doesn't see something your way then you resort to saying they should be embarrassed. This is where a debate is lost. Even though you may be frustrated with someone else's point of view, never resort to the "You should be embarrassed" line or the name calling line either. It reflects negatively on you. It expresses frustration and the crowd listening will turn on you even if you are right.

But don't worry, in an internet world filled of trolls, you'll have plenty of backers online.

I'm out.

You can't have an adult conversation about whether the Earth is flat or not. If you believe there is a possibility it is not, you have to be treated like a child and with kid gloves. I'm sorry you thought that I was taking this argument seriously, haha. There is no debate here. Just crazy people believing crazy things.

[Spooks]

You don't need to be smart to understand the Earth is round.

Exactly. You just need to believe everything you're told.

Sorry couldn't resist. That was a fastball right over the plate.

[pgisback]

Exactly. You just need to believe everything you're told.

Sorry couldn't resist. That was a fastball right over the plate.

Good one, lol. Conspiracy theorist humor.

[Hess687]

You can't have an adult conversation about whether the Earth is flat or not. If you believe there is a possibility it is not, you have to be treated like a child and with kid gloves. I'm sorry you thought that I was taking this argument seriously, haha. There is no debate here. Just crazy people believing crazy things.

Sure you can. The person who needs to be treated with kid gloves isn't the one who wants to debate whether or not the world is flat. It's the one who refuses to have the conversation in the first place.

HAHA.

[3pt]

I don't know if he was joking. If he's serious about this then I believe he needs to go back to school.

[pgisback]

Sure you can. The person who needs to be treated with kid gloves isn't the one who wants to debate whether or not the world is flat. It's the one who refuses to have the conversation in the first place.

HAHA.

Actually you can't. You have to treat them like they have child like minds.

[Hess687]

Actually you can't. You have to treat them like they have child like minds.

You're right (kid gloves). Don't listen to what that other man is saying (kid gloves). He is wrong, you are right (kid gloves). It's okay, you don't have to listen to him any longer (kid gloves).

The above paragraph sounds like a mom talking to their child and it's also how I feel I need to talk to you from now on.

Once again, if you can't have a conversation, even if it's one you don't believe in, you may be the one with the child like mind.

[pgisback]

You're right (kid gloves). Don't listen to what that other man is saying (kid gloves). He is wrong, you are right (kid gloves). It's okay, you don't have to listen to him any longer (kid gloves).

The above paragraph sounds like a mom talking to their child and it's also how I feel I need to talk to you from now on.

Once again, if you can't have a conversation, even if it's one you don't believe in, you may be the one with the child like mind.

Conspiracy theorists love to talk and act like they're saying something insightful. They're not and look like idiots. The Earth is round, not much more to it unless you believe in magic. Which I wouldn't put past you.

[jj2]

You guys are all missing the point. The real debate here should be how many elephants on the back of a turtle does it take to hold up the earth? Are we all just going to accept the popular belief that it's only four?

https://planetruthblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/febed-the_cosmology_of_a_flat_earth_by_captainzammo.jpg

[Hess687]

Conspiracy theorists love to talk and act like they're saying something insightful. They're not and look like idiots. The Earth is round, not much more to it unless you believe in magic. Which I wouldn't put past you.

Oh honey, everything you believe is correct (kid gloves). The only one saying something insightful is you (kid gloves). You're so smart and not an idiot like this other guy (kid gloves). The Earth is definitely round and never ever question anything because you have all the answers ( kid gloves).

I could go on for days doing this. Child-like behavior, not open to other people's opinions because they don't fall in line with their own.

But please, do proceed, I'm actually entertaining myself at this point.

[AlabamaSlamma]

As long as he doesn't start Pete Carroll truthering, believe and achieve, ya big dummy.

[houdini]

Ironic thing is he takes over 100 flights a year and never bothered to....... LOOK OUT OF THE GOD DAMN WINDOW!

I thought this was funny at first, everything has always still looked flat to me.

However:

You should be able to detect it from an aeroplane at a cruising height of around 10,600 metres (35,000 feet), but you need a fairly wide field of view (ie 60 degrees) and a virtually cloud-free horizon.


Listen, I believe the Earth is a sphere. I do.

https://m.popkey.co/08cd02/oZ8aJ.gif

[6celtics33]

Debate is great but this one shouldn't get off the ground until the flat folks can explain how you head west and end up in the east and vice versa. Something reasonable that doesn't involve pacman like secret doors or escape routes.

[CubKings]

I wonder how many people on this forum have been in space. I know I haven't, so I personally can't confirm the earth is a ball. I also can't confirm it's flat.

I don't know what it is.

People say its a sphere, but Tyson Neil Degrasse says its more oblong or pear shaped, while all of NASAs goofy pictures show a perfect ball... With the continents changing in size...

[asujbl]

As long as he doesn't start Pete Carroll truthering, believe and achieve, ya big dummy.

Snap...

[jcardstore]

http://www.relatably.com/m/img/flat-memes/617fd5b498e8c99b31f2b77f6d1caeeeab7af88a4d372ece6558613166696a1d.jpg

[smalltown]

I wonder how many people on this forum have been in space. I know I haven't, so I personally can't confirm the earth is a ball. I also can't confirm it's flat.

1000's of students all around the globe have been sending weather balloons up into the lower atmosphere and snapping pictures of the earth, including some grade 7's at my sons school. It costs less than $200 to do it and get's you some amazing pictures of the earth from between 65,000 and 100,000 feet. You don't need to go into space to confirm it.

Those grade 7 kids got some amazing photo's that show off the curvature of the earth. Now if they can cobble together a kit for $50 each that can get those kind of photos surely rather than blindly saying "it’s right in front of our faces. They lie to us." Kyrie could spend a few bucks to prove otherwise.

[ninjacookies]

Didn't read everything, but nearly 4 pages and not one mention of satellite images?

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/06/earth-from-above-expedition-47-aboa/e01_ISS047E133215/main_1500.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/rxGLIVCI0cPBu/giphy.gif


I mean, I guess even warring countries are all in on this conspiracy and used super advanced CGI back in the 60's to pull the wool over our eyes.



Also, moon landing was staged and Aldrin is a raging alcoholic.

[asujbl]

I won't read this thread. I guarantee it's awesome

[Andy5]

I wonder how many people on this forum have been in space. I know I haven't, so I personally can't confirm the earth is a ball. I also can't confirm it's flat.

I don't know what it is.

People say its a sphere, but Tyson Neil Degrasse says its more oblong or pear shaped, while all of NASAs goofy pictures show a perfect ball... With the continents changing in size...

You don't need to go to space to confirm it. Aristotle didn't have space travel that's for sure.

NDT is right. The Earth, much like many solid objects in space, is not perfectly spherical. There are many factors that weigh in to it.

[ljandkg]

Didn't read everything, but nearly 4 pages and not one mention of satellite images?

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/06/earth-from-above-expedition-47-aboa/e01_ISS047E133215/main_1500.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/rxGLIVCI0cPBu/giphy.gif


I mean, I guess even warring countries are all in on this conspiracy and used super advanced CGI back in the 60's to pull the wool over our eyes.



Also, moon landing was staged and Aldrin is a raging alcoholic.

I pasted a live feed from the ISS but that pretty much got ignored in favour of debating 'What science is?' and "Who are we to criticise what others believe?' etc etc...

Fascinating stuff! Zzzzzzz

[ninjacookies]

I pasted a live feed from the ISS but that pretty much got ignored in favour of debating 'What science is?' and "Who are we to criticise what others believe?' etc etc...

Fascinating stuff! Zzzzzzz

Let's face it. We're sheeples to the illuminaughty.


brb woolovermyeyes

[ssbledsoe]

Guess I now know how to get into Duke:
Write your admission essay on: "The Earth is Flat"

Bigger shock here for me:
There aren't more BKB morons defending Kyrie... I completely figured there would be at least a dozen guys arguing that the Earth was flat.

[go_steelers07]

Guess I now know how to get into Duke:
Write your admission essay on: "The Earth is Flat"



and have a killer crossover..........

[go_steelers07]

Debate is great but this one shouldn't get off the ground until the flat folks can explain how you head west and end up in the east and vice versa. Something reasonable that doesn't involve pacman like secret doors or escape routes.

wormholes........... Einstein proved it...... and used them regularly. haven't you ever watched the History Channel?

[NickM]

And here I was thinking we were actually having an adult conversation.

Have you ever heard of a debate? Where one person takes one side and the other person takes the other? You see, person A doesn't necessarily have to believe in his argument, he just has to portray information in a manner that gets people to doubt what the other is saying. He doesn't have to be right.


That's not a debate. That's trolling.

You and Wolves4Life are two peas in a pod.

[Hess687]

That's not a debate. That's trolling.

You and Wolves4Life are two peas in a pod.

:doh: Please at least look up definitions before commenting.

[6celtics33]

:doh: Please at least look up definitions before commenting.

But definitions are based on accepted meaning. What if the definitions were wrong all along? Then what do we do?

[6celtics33]

wormholes........... Einstein proved it...... and used them regularly. haven't you ever watched the History Channel?

Sounds legit

[pgisback]

Flat earther is about to shoot some 3s!! How embarrassing, I really hope he's trolling.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

Didn't read everything, but nearly 4 pages and not one mention of satellite images?

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2016/06/earth-from-above-expedition-47-aboa/e01_ISS047E133215/main_1500.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/rxGLIVCI0cPBu/giphy.gif


I mean, I guess even warring countries are all in on this conspiracy and used super advanced CGI back in the 60's to pull the wool over our eyes.



Also, moon landing was staged and Aldrin is a raging alcoholic.

The problem with many conspiracy theorist is that undeniable visual and factual evidence is usually dismissed with other, even more nonsensical conspiracies to back up their original belief.

Kyrie could literally go to space and still wouldn't believe.

[I only pull for]

It's flat and we have a dome over us to protect us from Nibiru..:doh::coffee:

[6celtics33]

It's flat and we have a dome over us to protect us from Nibiru..:doh::coffee:

It's ok. They just want the gooollld!

362485

[tke1600]

Funny topic but our reverend "scientists" just got caught faking global warming stats to promote the climate change agenda, so I do get why people want to question things.

[pgisback]

Funny topic but our reverend "scientists" just got caught faking global warming stats to promote the climate change agenda, so I do get why people want to question things.

Source? Lol

[rman112]

Funny topic but our reverend "scientists" just got caught faking global warming stats to promote the climate change agenda, so I do get why people want to question things.

Can't be worse than the Pope

[tke1600]

Source? Lol

Thought most news had touched on the story already but maybe not...

John Bates, Whistleblower Climate Scientist, Smeared by Global Warming Advocates | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444942/john-bates-whistleblower-climate-scientist-smeared-global-warming-advocates)

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

Funny topic but our reverend "scientists" just got caught faking global warming stats to promote the climate change agenda, so I do get why people want to question things.

Was this ALL SCIENTIST? :rolleyes:

So what are you implying?

What would be the point to saying the Earth is a sphere and its really flat?

[tke1600]

Was this ALL SCIENTIST? :rolleyes:

So what are you implying?

What would be the point to saying the Earth is a sphere and its really flat?

I'm implying that just because a scientist or even a group of scientists all say something doesn't make it necessarily true. Hence my link above.

[smalltown]

Was this ALL SCIENTIST? :rolleyes:

No it wasn't and Bates, the "whistle blower", was administratively admonished and relieved of a supervisory position at NCEI in 2012, at a time when Karl(the one said to have his "finger on the scale" led the center. Karl confirms that Bates was removed from his post as division chief, and placed in a position where he was not supervising other people.

As well the article posted leaves out that Bates, the "whistle blower", himself downplayed any suggestion of misconduct. “The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data, but rather really of timing of a release of a paper”

This isn't about scientist playing with data or lying. It's about politics.

[tke1600]

No it wasn't and Bates, the "whistle blower", was administratively admonished and relieved of a supervisory position at NCEI in 2012, at a time when Karl(the one said to have his "finger on the scale" led the center. Karl confirms that Bates was removed from his post as division chief, and placed in a position where he was not supervising other people.

As well the article posted leaves out that Bates, the "whistle blower", himself downplayed any suggestion of misconduct. “The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data, but rather really of timing of a release of a paper”

This isn't about scientist playing with data or lying. It's about politics.

There is only one way to interpret this quote from Bates, and if you think Bates is lying, well I guess that kind of back doors my point that at least one scientist is lying about global warming.

"They had good data from buoys. And they threw it out and “corrected” it by using the bad data from ships. You never change good data to agree with bad, but that’s what they did — so as to make it look as if the sea was warmer."

Read more at: John Bates, Whistleblower Climate Scientist, Smeared by Global Warming Advocates | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444942/john-bates-whistleblower-climate-scientist-smeared-global-warming-advocates)

[smalltown]

There is only one way to interpret this quote from Bates, and if you think Bates is lying, well I guess that kind of back doors my point that at least one scientist is lying about global warming.

"They had good data from buoys. And they threw it out and “corrected” it by using the bad data from ships. You never change good data to agree with bad, but that’s what they did — so as to make it look as if the sea was warmer.

He's a disgruntled employee who got demoted and changed his story a week later. This has little to do with science.

[tke1600]

He's a disgruntled employee who got demoted and changed his story a week later. This has little to do with science.

So we should just dismiss his in depth analysis of what he said happened because the accused call him disgruntled? Isn't that exactly what a guilty party would do to a whistleblower in a case like this?

[smalltown]

So we should just dismiss his in depth analysis of what he said happened because the accused call him disgruntled? Isn't that exactly what a guilty party would do to a whistleblower in a case like this?

Peter Thorne, climate scientist for the Irish Climate Analysis and Research Units, writes:

I have been involved in and am a co-author upon all relevant underlying papers to Karl et al., 2015.

The 'whistle blower' is John Bates who was not involved in any aspect of the work… John Bates never participated in any of the numerous technical meetings on the land or marine data I have participated in at NOAA NCEI either in person or remotely. This shows in his reputed (I am taking the journalist at their word that these are directly attributable quotes) mis-representation of the processes that actually occured. In some cases these mis-representations are publically verifiable.

[JasonM32]

There is only one way to interpret this quote from Bates, and if you think Bates is lying, well I guess that kind of back doors my point that at least one scientist is lying about global warming.

"They had good data from buoys. And they threw it out and “corrected” it by using the bad data from ships. You never change good data to agree with bad, but that’s what they did — so as to make it look as if the sea was warmer."

Read more at: John Bates, Whistleblower Climate Scientist, Smeared by Global Warming Advocates | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444942/john-bates-whistleblower-climate-scientist-smeared-global-warming-advocates)

I admire the attempt but trying to reason with global warming people will get you nowhere. It's a religion to a lot of people. They think that the issue has been decided and they are not interested in hearing opposing points of view. They also think that temperature data derived from computer models is equivalent to or better than actual measured temperatures.

[tke1600]

Peter Thorne, climate scientist for the Irish Climate Analysis and Research Units, writes:

I have been involved in and am a co-author upon all relevant underlying papers to Karl et al., 2015.

The 'whistle blower' is John Bates who was not involved in any aspect of the work… John Bates never participated in any of the numerous technical meetings on the land or marine data I have participated in at NOAA NCEI either in person or remotely. This shows in his reputed (I am taking the journalist at their word that these are directly attributable quotes) mis-representation of the processes that actually occured. In some cases these mis-representations are publically verifiable.

Again, this is exactly the type of stuff Karl and his team would put out if they were guilty. How come they don't back up any claims with data or facts to show that the quoted part is false, and instead just use smear tactics on Bates? Doesn't it make you wonder? Story is still developing too as you can see.

[smalltown]

Again, this is exactly the type of stuff Karl and his team would put out if they were guilty. How come they don't back up any claims with data or facts to show that the quoted part is false, and instead just use smear tactics on Bates? Doesn't it make you wonder? Story is still developing too as you can see.

It's really not a story about science though. That's my point. It's a story about politics. It's about the timing of information being released. Bates alluded to tampering but then back tracked on those points. Doubling down on the point that the timing of the release of the data was the issue.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

There is only one way to interpret this quote from Bates, and if you think Bates is lying, well I guess that kind of back doors my point that at least one scientist is lying about global warming.

"They had good data from buoys. And they threw it out and “corrected” it by using the bad data from ships. You never change good data to agree with bad, but that’s what they did — so as to make it look as if the sea was warmer."

Read more at: John Bates, Whistleblower Climate Scientist, Smeared by Global Warming Advocates | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444942/john-bates-whistleblower-climate-scientist-smeared-global-warming-advocates)

What about the other scientist involved in this topic? Or is this the only example you will use as analogous to the "world is flat" argument?

Before you perpetuate conspiracy theories whether yours or others, the basic and most essential question must be answered; WHY? Why would this be a lie portrayed to the masses? What is ultimately gained from this belief if you're hiding the truth?

Again, people will generally disregard clear evidence that is contrary to any belief they have. Ironically, there are many examples where people ignore information from the same source where they also cite data that supports their way of thinking, or vice versa.

[pgisback]

I admire the attempt but trying to reason with global warming people will get you nowhere. It's a religion to a lot of people. They think that the issue has been decided and they are not interested in hearing opposing points of view. They also think that temperature data derived from computer models is equivalent to or better than actual measured temperatures.

I'm interested in opposing views from the scientific community, not from armchair experts who get all their information from conspiracy sites.

[pgisback]

Again, this is exactly the type of stuff Karl and his team would put out if they were guilty. How come they don't back up any claims with data or facts to show that the quoted part is false, and instead just use smear tactics on Bates? Doesn't it make you wonder? Story is still developing too as you can see.

Regardless of the global warming straw man you really believe your example brings in to question whether the planet you live on is flat or not? Lol

[tke1600]

It's really not a story about science though. That's my point. It's a story about politics. It's about the timing of information being released. Bates alluded to tampering but then back tracked on those points. Doubling down on the point that the timing of the release of the data was the issue.

Did he back track on the buoys quote? That is a pretty clear and concise statement of tampering by Karl to promote and "legitimize" global warming concerns. Many people are skeptical about the whole situation and not just the climiate deniers.

[tke1600]

Regardless of the global warming straw man you really believe your example brings in to question whether the planet you live on is flat or not? Lol

No, the point is we shouldn't just trust what every group of scientists tell us.

[pgisback]

No, the point is we shouldn't just trust what every group of scientists tell us.

We should trust experts over conspiracy nutters. Science always wins. It's not like we haven't seen ignorant people questioning science throughout history.

[tke1600]

What about the other scientist involved in this topic? Or is this the only example you will use as analogous to the "world is flat" argument?

Before you perpetuate conspiracy theories whether yours or others, the basic and most essential question must be answered; WHY? Why would this be a lie portrayed to the masses? What is ultimately gained from this belief if you're hiding the truth?

Again, people will generally disregard clear evidence that is contrary to any belief they have. Ironically, there are many examples where people ignore information from the same source where they also cite data that supports their way of thinking, or vice versa.

Climate change is a core issue that certain groups and people stand behind, so anything opposing this theory is usually sourced by scientists that back the theory or we have the recent case where another scientist is smeared for revealing data tampering that was used to promote climate change. I've learned to question anything where money and politics are a major factor in coming to the facts of theories.

[tke1600]

We should trust experts over conspiracy nutters. Science always wins. It's not like we haven't seen ignorant people questioning science throughout history.

I haven't defended the world is flat theory. There is visual evidence that proves this. The recent whistleblower story on climate change has got me questioning that theory a little more.

[xavieronly1]

Everything can be 3D if you use a 3D printer.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

I haven't defended the world is flat theory. There is visual evidence that proves this. The recent whistleblower story on climate change has got me questioning that theory a little more.

The ignorance, contradictions, and hypocrisy displayed in your post is astounding. There is visual evidence and data that supports the climate change theory yet you continually point to one example that supports your theory on being skeptical of science(tist). May I ask...What is real then?

[Spooks]

Debate is great but this one shouldn't get off the ground until the flat folks can explain how you head west and end up in the east and vice versa. Something reasonable that doesn't involve pacman like secret doors or escape routes.

Who's actually done this? You? How do you know this is what happens?

[ninjacookies]

Who's actually done this? You? How do you know this is what happens?

https://media.giphy.com/media/7dPhaWI5mxmAU/giphy.gif

I aint never heard of them there planes flying over the pacific to reach them China boys. Heck, tell ya the truth, I ain't never seen a plane either.

I'm done with this thread, it's starting to reach critical autist levels.

[pgisback]

I haven't defended the world is flat theory. There is visual evidence that proves this. The recent whistleblower story on climate change has got me questioning that theory a little more.

One thing history has taught us is the general public is dumb and it takes them decades and even centuries to accept scientific facts. Science always wins.

[pgisback]

Who's actually done this? You? How do you know this is what happens?

Let's do a little experiment. How about you walk outside and walk in one direction until you reach the end of the Earth. Let me know what it's like.

[6celtics33]

Yeah I can't even tell if he's being serious, this thread has went off the deep end of the flat Earths.

[jj2]

https://media.giphy.com/media/7dPhaWI5mxmAU/giphy.gif

I aint never heard of them there planes flying over the pacific to reach them China boys. Heck, tell ya the truth, I ain't never seen a plane either.

I'm done with this thread, it's starting to reach critical autist levels.

Let's do a little experiment. How about you walk outside and walk in one direction until you reach the end of the Earth. Let me know what it's like.

I'm pretty sure he's joking.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

I'm done with this thread, it's starting to reach critical autist levels.

I agree.....Put a lid on this one boys, its over.

[pgisback]

I'm pretty sure he's joking.

I honestly don't believe he is. The flat earthers are a growing thing in America. It's some anti-government/establishment thing.

[blackbears86]

I don't know about anyone else, but this ranks up as one of the all time best/craziest threads in blowout history.....seriously, my head hurts reading some of this.....:coffee:

[Spooks]

https://media.giphy.com/media/7dPhaWI5mxmAU/giphy.gif

I aint never heard of them there planes flying over the pacific to reach them China boys. Heck, tell ya the truth, I ain't never seen a plane either.

I'm done with this thread, it's starting to reach critical autist levels.

Seriously? What does flying to China from the US have to do with circumnavigating a globe? On a flat plane or any shape you are just traveling from one point to another.

If you really wanted to test what you are referring to you would have to keep going in the same direction until you reached the same point where you started. Which none of us have done.

I get it. The whole thing sounds crazy. But nothing surprises me anymore.

[pgisback]

Seriously? What does flying to China from the US have to do with circumnavigating a globe? On a flat plane or any shape you are just traveling from one point to another.

If you really wanted to test what you are referring to you would have to keep going in the same direction until you reached the same point where you started. Which none of us have done.

I get it. The whole thing sounds crazy. But nothing surprises me anymore.

So living on a flat Earth wouldn't surprise you because so many crazier things have happened? Lol.

[6celtics33]

Oh ok you're serious. So if I'm in Hawaii and go west to Japan and then I'm in New York and go East to Japan, that doesn't imply a circle? An oval? A pear? A sphere? An ellipse? A top for all I care? Something besides flat? What are there 2 Japans?

[6celtics33]

Maybe that's it. Maybe there are 2 of everything, 1 on each side of this flat Earth, sort of a mirror effect. I think I'm getting it now.

[tacoma34]

"Spooks"? Mmmmkayyy.

[Spooks]

Oh ok you're serious. So if I'm in Hawaii and go west to Japan and then I'm in New York and go East to Japan, that doesn't imply a circle? An oval? A pear? A sphere? An ellipse? A top for all I care? Something besides flat? What are there 2 Japans?

You are still trying to visualize those flight patterns on a globe. When you project the map on a flat plane, flight patterns actually make more sense. If you want to see what this might look like, do a search for the Gleason's map. It's similar to the projection that is used in the UN logo.

[pgisback]

You are still trying to visualize those flight patterns on a globe. When you project the map on a flat plane, flight patterns actually make more sense. If you want to see what this might look like, do a search for the Gleason's map. It's similar to the projection that is used in the UN logo.

Haha, so the conspiracy theory that airplanes are actually flying in circles to deceive us in to believing the Earth is round... lol. That's some good comedy right there.

[6celtics33]

You are still trying to visualize those flight patterns on a globe. When you project the map on a flat plane, flight patterns actually make more sense. If you want to see what this might look like, do a search for the Gleason's map. It's similar to the projection that is used in the UN logo.

No thanks

[6celtics33]

We might all be in the matrix too. I'm happy to taste the steak even though none of it is real.

[Spooks]

Haha, so the conspiracy theory that airplanes are actually flying in circles to deceive us in to believing the Earth is round... lol. That's some good comedy right there.

Sorry don't get your point. Airplanes don't typically fly in circles. For travel, they just go from point A to point B usually in a straight line.

[pgisback]

Sorry don't get your point. Airplanes don't typically fly in circles. For travel, they just go from point A to point B usually in a straight line.

Haha, if that were true... flying from New York to Australia you'd be going northwest and passing over Canada. Sounds logical.

[jj2]

I'm pretty sure he's joking.

Seriously? What does flying to China from the US have to do with circumnavigating a globe? On a flat plane or any shape you are just traveling from one point to another.

If you really wanted to test what you are referring to you would have to keep going in the same direction until you reached the same point where you started. Which none of us have done.

I get it. The whole thing sounds crazy. But nothing surprises me anymore.

I stand corrected.

[BigSeph]

There's only one picture needed to disprove "global warming"

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/palmer_figure3.png

That's the long-term data gathered from thermometers in the US which has not been adjusted/homogenized/tampered with/smoothed/etc. Stations must have reported at least one monthly average value each month for 100 years in a row.

The only place "global warming" exists is in fraudulent data sets used by multiple organizations around the world which claim to be scientific.

Last I checked, science involves data gathering and observation. And based on observations of gathered data, there is no global warming.

That's a slight cooling trend from 1900-2000.

Torture the data until it confesses. And then distribute it.

[tacoma34]

There's only one picture needed to disprove "global warming"

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/palmer_figure3.png

That's the long-term data gathered from thermometers in the US which has not been adjusted/homogenized/tampered with/smoothed/etc. Stations must have reported at least one monthly average value each month for 100 years in a row.

The only place "global warming" exists is in fraudulent data sets used by multiple organizations around the world which claim to be scientific.

Last I checked, science involves data gathering and observation. And based on observations of gathered data, there is no global warming.

That's a slight cooling trend from 1900-2000.

Torture the data until it confesses. And then distribute it.

I'm no proctologist but I don't think thats what they mean by global warming.

[Spooks]

No thanks

All good. I'm out then.

[pgisback]

There's only one picture needed to disprove "global warming"

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/palmer_figure3.png

That's the long-term data gathered from thermometers in the US which has not been adjusted/homogenized/tampered with/smoothed/etc. Stations must have reported at least one monthly average value each month for 100 years in a row.

The only place "global warming" exists is in fraudulent data sets used by multiple organizations around the world which claim to be scientific.

Last I checked, science involves data gathering and observation. And based on observations of gathered data, there is no global warming.

That's a slight cooling trend from 1900-2000.

Torture the data until it confesses. And then distribute it.

It's funny that you use this data that comes from NASA but ignore any other data that comes from them that proves global warming. Confirmation bias for the win!!

[codered]

She's a round like a my head!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYPkJU7iTQ

[pgisback]

This is Kyrie's logic... yikes... sounds like a bonafide nutcase.

“For what I’ve known for many years and what I’ve been taught is that the Earth is round, but if you really think about it from a landscape of the way we travel, the way we move and the fact that — can you really think of us rotating around the sun, and all planets align, rotating in specific dates, being perpendicular with what’s going on with these planets and stuff like this.”

[rman112]

Has anyone asked Kyrie what point I'd have to reach in order to walk off the planet and fall into oblivion?

[pgisback]

Has anyone asked Kyrie what point I'd have to reach in order to walk off the planet and fall into oblivion?

I actually worked with some guys that believed in this theory. They were the alex jones types and just crazy conspiracy theorists. They believe the outer perimeter is Antarctica and a giant wall of ice that the government won't let us get to. It's legitimately that crazy.

[rman112]

I actually worked with some guys that believed in this theory. They were the alex jones types and just crazy conspiracy theorists. They believe the outer perimeter is Antarctica and a giant wall of ice that the government won't let us get to. It's legitimately that crazy.

Someone needs to Google Earth that area. There might be a bunch of frozen guys that tried to walk off.. LOL

[cowboyzqna]

There are worse beliefs out there for sure... this one really doesn't "hurt" anyone other than the fact that it gives people who have common sense a mild headache.

No harm no foul. Ima guess young Kyrie doesn't do a great deal of reading in his spare time. May not have ever had to really learn much in school / life as he has been a gifted athlete his entire life. I am not saying that to be the case... but it could be.

The earth isn't flat. It just isn't. Science wins.

[BostonNut]

Where did Hess go? I need more Hess...

[6celtics33]

Where did Hess go? I need more Hess...

He tagged Spooks and went to bed I guess

[Digerati]

OK i have an idea for a TV special. Starring Kyrie Irving. It begins with a long interview with him about how the earth is flat and everything is a lie. Just let him go on for about an hour or so...then put him in one of those spaceplanes and film his reaction as he looks out the window and sees how ROUND THE EARTH IS. Then do a second interview when he lands.

[Hess687]

Where did Hess go? I need more Hess...

I've decided not to succumb to the temptation of arguing with stupid people. I don't think TKE and Spooks are doing a great job of debating their side (no offense to either of you) and when you choose PG to be the person to debate the other side, it's like watching 3 kids chase after a dollar bill tied to a fishing line.

I'll be a reader for the most part, here on out.


He tagged Spooks and went to bed I guess

See above.

[Brobocop]

I bet Kyrie would make a half-court shot for charity.

[BigSeph]

It's funny that you use this data that comes from NASA but ignore any other data that comes from them that proves global warming. Confirmation bias for the win!!

No, I actually just find raw data collected consistently over a long period of time from persistent reporting stations to be useful, and altered datasets to be less useful. If you knew what went into their adjustments, you would have the same opinion on the matter.

[BigSeph]

I'm no proctologist but I don't think thats what they mean by global warming.

Same long-term trend everywhere else on earth where thermometers have reported consistently for the past century.

Try again.

http://i45.tinypic.com/125rs3m.jpg

[jcardstore]

I've decided not to succumb to the temptation of arguing with stupid people. I don't think TKE and Spooks are doing a great job of debating their side (no offense to either of you) and when you choose PG to be the person to debate the other side, it's like watching 3 kids chase after a dollar bill tied to a fishing line.

I'll be a reader for the most part, here on out.




See above.

When you say you don't want to argue with stupid people but you're actually the stupid one lmao

[jcardstore]

I seriously can't believe people are arguing this. If anyone believes the earth is flat in the face of scientific fact whatever, you'd have a better chance communicating with a cement block.

[Hess687]

When you say you don't want to argue with stupid people but you're actually the stupid one lmao

I'm sorry, please go back thru and point out my stupidity. When did I ever say I actually believe the world is flat?

It's called debating.

The fact you can't comprehend this, definitely means I'm not the stupid one.

LMAO.

[duron]

https://media.giphy.com/media/EqsqnkD7A0UsU/200.gif

[cp312]

When you say you don't want to argue with stupid people but you're actually the stupid one lmao

This. So many posts in this thread have terribly flawed logic

Also as a history major, this thread makes me laugh. The idea that a majority people actually used to believe the earth was flat is itself a myth, look it up. The Greeks had the Earth's circumference almost exactly calculated more than a thousand years ago and its spherical nature was accepted by all scholars. Only the uneducated thought it was flat. The myth was then popularized by, you guessed it, a religious person trying to attract followers and demonize other sects.

Google flat earth myth if you want to actually learn something from this thread. There is a ton of historiography that shows that the idea of the earth being flat really wasn't even close to widely accepted at any point in the past millennium.

Lost a bit of respect for Uncle Drew because of this...but man can ball no doubt.

[Hess687]

This. So many posts in this thread have terribly flawed logic

Also as a history major, this thread makes me laugh. The idea that a majority people actually used to believe the earth was flat is itself a myth, look it up. The Greeks had the Earth's circumference almost exactly calculated more than a thousand years ago and its spherical nature was accepted by all scholars. Only the uneducated thought it was flat. The myth was then popularized by, you guessed it, a religious person trying to attract followers and demonize other sects.

Google flat earth myth if you want to actually learn something from this thread. There is a ton of historiography that shows that the idea of the earth being flat really wasn't even close to widely accepted at any point in the past millennium.

Lost a bit of respect for Uncle Drew because of this...but man can ball no doubt.

I took you up on that and here's what I found....


"Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl was common in pre-scientific societies."

Doesn't sound like much of a myth to me. Keep studying, I'm glad you find this interesting. It sounds like you really enjoy history.

[cp312]

I took you up on that and here's what I found....


"Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century. That paradigm was also typically held in the aboriginal cultures of the Americas, and the notion of a flat Earth domed by the firmament in the shape of an inverted bowl was common in pre-scientific societies."

Doesn't sound like much of a myth to me. Keep studying, I'm glad you find this interesting. It sounds like you really enjoy history.

Sorry, meant to specify that the myth applied to the middle ages. Did you actually google the phrase "flat earth myth"? Because if you had the first result should have been:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

Yes, its Wikipedia, but all the same information was in my textbooks as well and you copied and pasted you info from the main Wikipedia article on flat earth.

Also since you were so kind to copy and paste, I've bolded the phrase "including the Greeks until the classical period". If you clicked that you would realize that the classical period ended around 500BC, meaning the Greeks actually knew it was round well over 2000 years ago.

And actually the Hellenistic Period and Gupta period are also over 1500 years ago.

So essentially its been more than 1500 years since an educated society thought the earth was flat.

[jcardstore]

I'm sorry, please go back thru and point out my stupidity. When did I ever say I actually believe the world is flat?

It's called debating.

The fact you can't comprehend this, definitely means I'm not the stupid one.

LMAO.

That's like me saying 2+2 = 4 and you "debating" that it's actually 22. There is no debate here there is a right answer and a wrong answer and you're supporting the side that is wrong.

That's the great thing about mathematical and scientific fact; it's true whether you want to believe it or not. You can tell yourself it's a debate all day if it makes you feel better but you're just wrong. There is no other way to put it.

You keep saying that you don't believe the Earth is flat but why do you keep defending people who do and "debating" it? Why "debate" something you don't even believe yourself? You can continue to make yourself look like a fool if that's what you want to do

[Digerati]

Global warming you say. I live in iceland. ICE-land. I'm 33 years old now and when i was a kid and up until around 2000-2004 the winters meant snow and more snow from october to april at least. Year after year we had to dig ourselves out of the house in the morning most days in february. We could ski and snowboard constantly for at least 5 months a year. Every single car had nailed snowtires or chains. You get the picture.

Fastforward to 2017. Now it's february 19th. No snow since december and that held for 1-2 weeks i think. Its raining outside and the grass in my lawn is green. This is winter here now. Global warming is real for me. Local warming?

[AbraCalabro]

LOL @ you if you don't believe the Earth is hollow. :D

If you believe the Earth is flat, it can't be hollow, therefore, the idea that the Earth is flat is defeated.

[duron]

The only thing that could possibly make this thread more entertaining is if Spooks is a member here...
The Flat Earth Society - Index (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/)

[Hess687]

That's like me saying 2+2 = 4 and you "debating" that it's actually 22. There is no debate here there is a right answer and a wrong answer and you're supporting the side that is wrong.

That's the great thing about mathematical and scientific fact; it's true whether you want to believe it or not. You can tell yourself it's a debate all day if it makes you feel better but you're just wrong. There is no other way to put it.

You keep saying that you don't believe the Earth is flat but why do you keep defending people who do and "debating" it? Why "debate" something you don't even believe yourself? You can continue to make yourself look like a fool if that's what you want to do

That's the great thing about debating. You don't have to believe in what you're saying, you just have to get other people to believe in what you're saying.

The other side could be right but if they portray their argument in a negative manner or resort to saying you "look like a fool" it only strengthens the opposition.

You can literally debate anything you want. Want to debate 2+2 = 4. We can do that as well. Literally anything is debatable. ANYTHING.

2 + 2 Doesn't Always Equal 4 - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/2--2-doesnt-always-equal-4-2014-6)

In George Orwell's book Nineteen Eighty-Four one character is quoted as saying,



"The Inner Party interrogator of thought-criminals, O'Brien, says of the mathematically false statement that control over physical reality is unimportant; so long as one controls one's own perceptions to what the Party wills, then any corporeal act is possible."

You can read more about that here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5

It doesn't matter if there is a right or wrong answer. That's what you're not comprehending. You just have to get people to believe you're right. Call it persuasion/salesmanship.

I don't care if the Earth is a sphere (because it is). I chose to come in here and take the other side of it and most of you lost your ever loving minds over it.

It's quite entertaining that some of you can't comprehend this.

[chezball]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nvrmnd.gif

[pgisback]

No, I actually just find raw data collected consistently over a long period of time from persistent reporting stations to be useful, and altered datasets to be less useful. If you knew what went into their adjustments, you would have the same opinion on the matter.

You didn't "find" that data, lol. NASA (GISS) provides that data. The very same group that provides additional data showing global warming. Like I said. Confirmation bias for the win!!

[Brobocop]

Listen if someone does not believe that the world is round, then posting everything in the world isn't going to change their mind. Likewise, if someone doesn't believe in man made global warming, then posting anything piece of data that supports it isn't going to change their minds. I don't know why people go back and forth on the web? Today, more than ever, people are set in their ways. People love to surround themselves with people who think like they do.

[pgisback]

That's the great thing about debating. You don't have to believe in what you're saying, you just have to get other people to believe in what you're saying.

The other side could be right but if they portray their argument in a negative manner or resort to saying you "look like a fool" it only strengthens the opposition.

You can literally debate anything you want. Want to debate 2+2 = 4. We can do that as well. Literally anything is debatable. ANYTHING.

2 + 2 Doesn't Always Equal 4 - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/2--2-doesnt-always-equal-4-2014-6)

In George Orwell's book Nineteen Eighty-Four one character is quoted as saying,



"The Inner Party interrogator of thought-criminals, O'Brien, says of the mathematically false statement that control over physical reality is unimportant; so long as one controls one's own perceptions to what the Party wills, then any corporeal act is possible."

You can read more about that here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_%2B_2_%3D_5

It doesn't matter if there is a right or wrong answer. That's what you're not comprehending. You just have to get people to believe you're right. Call it persuasion/salesmanship.

I don't care if the Earth is a sphere (because it is). I chose to come in here and take the other side of it and most of you lost your ever loving minds over it.

It's quite entertaining that some of you can't comprehend this.

This is called trolling...

[Hess687]

This is called trolling...

Once again, please look up the definition of both trolling and the word debate.

Here I'll help out:

Debate: An argument about a particular subject, especially one in which many people are involved.


Trolling: make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.


Now, please tell me how I am trolling.

As my goal isn't to elicit an angry response or even upset anyone. If anyone got upset about anything it isn't due to anything I posted and has everything to do with not being able to comprehend the fact that someone can actually debate a flat Earth.

Why this is upsetting to some? I have no idea. I wasn't looking for entertainment, more of a discussion, but considering the fact some can't even fathom a person arguing against a spherical Earth, it has turned into quite the comedy show for myself. Unintentionally, of course.

[pgisback]

Once again, please look up the definition of both trolling and the word debate.

Here I'll help out:

Debate: An argument about a particular subject, especially one in which many people are involved.


Trolling: make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.


Now, please tell me how I am trolling.

As my goal isn't to elicit an angry response or even upset anyone. If anyone got upset about anything it isn't due to anything I posted and has everything to do with not being able to comprehend the fact that someone can actually debate a flat Earth.

Why this is upsetting to some? I have no idea. I wasn't looking for entertainment, more of a discussion, but considering the fact some can't even fathom a person arguing against a spherical Earth, it has turned into quite the comedy show for myself. Unintentionally, of course.

You're trolling because you're intentionally saying things just to get a reaction out of others. Even stuff you don't apparently believe. That's the definition of being a troll. Like your example of 2+2 doesn't equal 4. A troll would say that. If you wanted an honest debate you would say 2+2 doesn't equal 4 when you are using a modulo counting structure. Then you would have a debate about that instead of being all vague and trollish.

[Hess687]

You're trolling because you're intentionally saying things just to get a reaction out of others. Even stuff you don't apparently believe. That's the definition of being a troll. Like your example of 2+2 doesn't equal 4. A troll would say that. If you wanted an honest debate you would say 2+2 doesn't equal 4 when you are using a modulo counting structure. Then you would have a debate about that instead of being all vague and trollish.

I need you to understand that one does not have to believe in the subject matter to debate a side. I really need you to understand that before we can have any conversation, if not I'm wasting my time, although I fear that's too late.

I didn't use the modulo counting structure but I did supply other articles to continue the discussion and will be more than happy to provide others. I didn't include the modulo counting structure as I feel it would have been over most people's heads although that is a great resource when debating 2+2 = 4 so thank you for pointing that out and strengthening the argument that 2+2 can be debated.

[pgisback]

I need you to understand that one does not have to believe in the subject matter to debate a side. I really need you to understand that before we can have any conversation, if not I'm wasting my time, although I fear that's too late.

I didn't use the modulo counting structure but I did supply other articles to continue the discussion and will be more than happy to provide others. I didn't include the modulo counting structure as I feel it would have been over most people's heads although that is a great resource when debating 2+2 = 4 so thank you for pointing that out and strengthening the argument that 2+2 can be debated.

Trolling
The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.
Trolling requires decieving; any trolling that doesn't involve decieving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccesful troll.



Saying 2+2 doesn't equal 4 without mentioning you're using some other counting system is deceiving... aka trolling.

[Hess687]

Trolling
The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.
Trolling requires decieving; any trolling that doesn't involve decieving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccesful troll.



Saying 2+2 doesn't equal 4 without mentioning you're using some other counting system is deceiving... aka trolling.

Well considering I've already said I don't believe the world is flat, there goes that whole waste of a post.

And of course it's deceiving, that's part of debating. Deception is key when trying to win a debate. Deception isn't wrong or harmful, it's just a tactic used to pull people over to your way of thinking. Being deceitful is something everyone encounters on a daily basis.

How are you not comprehending this? I'm not asking you to believe in anything I'm saying, I'm just asking for simple reading comprehension. This seems to be a lost cause.

[cp312]

Well considering I've already said I don't believe the world is flat, there goes that whole waste of a post.

And of course it's deceiving, that's part of debating. Deception is key when trying to win a debate. Deception isn't wrong or harmful, it's just a tactic used to pull people over to your way of thinking. Being deceitful is something everyone encounters on a daily basis.

How are you not comprehending this? I'm not asking you to believe in anything I'm saying, I'm just asking for simple reading comprehension. This seems to be a lost cause.


I'd like to point out that you haven't pulled a single person over to your way of thinking and are therefore not very good at debating...

[Hess687]

I'd like to point out that you haven't pulled a single person over to your way of thinking and are therefore not very good at debating...

I knew coming into this nobody was going to be turned into a "World is flat believer." I do this because I find enjoyment in debating people. Unfortunately, the internet isn't the best place for it, as one can see.

Being good at debating isn't about winning and losing. That's like saying Anthony Davis is terrible because he's on a bad team.

If you believe you need to win a debate to be good at it, you're sadly mistaken.

[Cocheese45]

"Fake news"

[Undertaker1562]

Let him believe what he wants.

I believe in aliens, does that me a freak? Of course not.

Even believing in Aliens is more plausible because of the size of the universe. Believing the earth is flat is just plain stupid.

[pgisback]

Well considering I've already said I don't believe the world is flat, there goes that whole waste of a post.

And of course it's deceiving, that's part of debating. Deception is key when trying to win a debate. Deception isn't wrong or harmful, it's just a tactic used to pull people over to your way of thinking. Being deceitful is something everyone encounters on a daily basis.

How are you not comprehending this? I'm not asking you to believe in anything I'm saying, I'm just asking for simple reading comprehension. This seems to be a lost cause.

We just have different definitions of intelligent debate. Intelligent debate is not deceiving someone, lol. Not sure where you got that from. Intelligent debate is the exact opposite. Trying to deceive someone in to believing something is trolling. The definition of trolling... which you are doing.

[NickM]

Hess is providing the answer to the question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK6ksA0QyE4

The answer is: You sit online and make stuff up to troll people under the pretense of debating.

[Hess687]

We just have different definitions of intelligent debate. Intelligent debate is not deceiving someone, lol. Not sure where you got that from. Intelligent debate is the exact opposite. Trying to deceive someone in to believing something is trolling. The definition of trolling... which you are doing.

You're viewing the phrase "to deceive" as having negative connotation. Which is not 100% accurate.

Surprise birthday parties can't happen if deception is not involved. Yet no one wants to outlaw this practice. Is this a form of trolling as well?

[cnewby]

Hess troll game is strong today..

[Hess687]

Hess is providing the answer to the question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK6ksA0QyE4

The answer is: You sit online and make stuff up to troll people under the pretense of debating.

Oh no, you found me out. It couldn't be I have a Monday - Friday job and have Saturday's and Sundays off.

No, no that's not it at all. :roll eyes:

Edit: I will admit, that was funny though.

[pgisback]

You're viewing the phrase "to deceive" as having negative connotation. Which is not 100% accurate.

Surprise birthday parties can't happen if deception is not involved. Yet no one wants to outlaw this practice. Is this a form of trolling as well?

Yes, in fact... that's exactly what a troll would say. Bringing up surprising someone for their birthday as an analogy to deceiving someone in a debate. Haha.

[Hess687]

Yes, in fact... that's exactly what a troll would say. Bringing up surprising someone for their birthday as an analogy to deceiving someone in a debate. Haha.

HUH?

Please go back thru and read what I wrote. For a person who believes in an "intelligent debate" you sure are having a hard time comprehending simple sentences.

Nowhere in the sentence below did I ever use the analogy that a surprise birthday party is the same as deceiving someone in a debate. Nowhere.



You're viewing the phrase "to deceive" as having negative connotation. Which is not 100% accurate.

Surprise birthday parties can't happen if deception is not involved. Yet no one wants to outlaw this practice. Is this a form of trolling as well?

This quote is meant to tell the reader that the phrase "to deceive" is not always negative.

[pgisback]

HUH?

Please go back thru and read what I wrote. For a person who believes in an "intelligent debate" you sure are having a hard time comprehending simple sentences.

Nowhere in the sentence below did I ever use the analogy that a surprise birthday party is the same as deceiving someone in a debate. Nowhere.





This quote is meant to tell the reader that the phrase "to deceive" is not always negative.

Troll game! No longer any fun. Was expecting more. You're not even that good of a troll.

[SPauthentic84]

Honest question...

Does it matter what he thinks?

Also, his views dont change the fact the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals

[Hess687]

Troll game! No longer any fun. Was expecting more. You're not even that good of a troll.

Yes. Troll game. The excuse someone uses when they have no other rebuttal.

I guess I'll stop being a "troll."

Oh and by the way, no hard feelings, at least on my end. It's the Internet, people will disagree.

I appreciate the conversation.

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

[Hess687]

Honest question...

Does it matter what he thinks?

Also, his views dont change the fact the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the finals

lol YES! And never forget Harambe.

[thenwhatjk]

I'm jumping in straight to page 9, I hope he gets way more crap than kaepernick

[pgisback]

UNC fans having some fun...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C49IJxrWcAAKnzs.jpg

[big4mi2ke0]

Hess is providing the answer to the question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK6ksA0QyE4

The answer is: You sit online and make stuff up to troll people under the pretense of debating.

All hess seems to be doing is masturdebating...

[Hess687]

All hess seems to be doing is masturdebating...

That's pretty funny.....I'll have to use that some time.

[big4mi2ke0]

That's pretty funny.....I'll have to use that some time.

Haha i used to always say i was a master debater, landed about 50% of the time.

[blackbears86]

I will repeat: One of the craziest threads in the history of blowout.....easily top 5.

and hess: becoming a legend before our eyes......:D

[ljandkg]

I'm jumping in straight to page 9, I hope he gets way more crap than kaepernick


Wise wise move....

[pgisback]

These players need to stop talking...

Nick Young: "I just think the Earth don't end. You don't know if it's circle or flat. I think its just going to run out."

[BigSeph]

You didn't "find" that data, lol.

I said I found it to be more useful than another type of data.

That doesn't literally mean I "found" it.

NASA (GISS) provides that data.

Yes, that's correct.

The very same group that provides additional data showing global warming.

Yes, after they have made changes like altering the temperature of July 21st 1889 back on October 3rd 2012, and again on January 14th 2013, and so on.

What you need to realize is that the recorded temperature at a given weather station is not what you read about in press releases. None of the global warming "science" compares apples to apples. It paints an apple orange, throws it in a microwave, and stamps "Sunkist" on it and tells you it's an orange.

And you believe it.

Like I said. Confirmation bias for the win!!

I find this to be incredibly amusing coming from someone who thinks AGW is real because scientists told him AGW is real. Yet you would also likely defend all of the failures and dead-ends in science as "the model" and tell us it's all about getting it wrong until you get it right.

But this, this topic (AGW), they have it right already. You just...... know.

When you compare raw data to raw data, you take their manipulations and data fraud out of the equation. You can plot it out and see for yourself that there is no global warming on even a decadal trend when you compare raw data to raw data.

So really the only use for a climate scientist is to push a fraud on a gullible citizenry that believes them on blind faith and never asks to see the actual data. Lots of funding to be had from the lemmings who feel like they can help "save the world."

[jj2]

I said I found it to be more useful than another type of data.

That doesn't literally mean I "found" it.



Yes, that's correct.



Yes, after they have made changes like altering the temperature of July 21st 1889 back on October 3rd 2012, and again on January 14th 2013, and so on.

What you need to realize is that the recorded temperature at a given weather station is not what you read about in press releases. None of the global warming "science" compares apples to apples. It paints an apple orange, throws it in a microwave, and stamps "Sunkist" on it and tells you it's an orange.

And you believe it.



I find this to be incredibly amusing coming from someone who thinks AGW is real because scientists told him AGW is real. Yet you would also likely defend all of the failures and dead-ends in science as "the model" and tell us it's all about getting it wrong until you get it right.

But this, this topic (AGW), they have it right already. You just...... know.

When you compare raw data to raw data, you take their manipulations and data fraud out of the equation. You can plot it out and see for yourself that there is no global warming on even a decadal trend when you compare raw data to raw data.

So really the only use for a climate scientist is to push a fraud on a gullible citizenry that believes them on blind faith and never asks to see the actual data. Lots of funding to be had from the lemmings who feel like they can help "save the world."

If this graph and its data is the silver bullet you appear to think that it is then my suggestion would be to get it published and then sit back and wait for the Nobel Prize. I'll wait.

[BigSeph]

If this graph and its data is the silver bullet you appear to think that it is then my suggestion would be to get it published and then sit back and wait for the Nobel Prize. I'll wait.

Why don't you get a "Why molesting children is wrong" article published in the NAMBLA newsletter, and then I'll work on your juvenile little challenge.

I'm sure the cottage industry built around AGW would gladly publish an article that destroys their legitimacy and ends their existence. :doh:

[chris43]

I'm so glad that he's a Dukie! :)

[jj2]

Why don't you get a "Why molesting children is wrong" article published in the NAMBLA newsletter, and then I'll work on your juvenile little challenge.

I'm sure the cottage industry built around AGW would gladly publish an article that destroys their legitimacy and ends their existence. :doh:

Do you think the scary AGW scientists are running all of the journals as well?

It's not a juvenile challenge either. The original author would legitimately win a Nobel Prize.

[pgisback]

I said I found it to be more useful than another type of data.

That doesn't literally mean I "found" it.



Yes, that's correct.



Yes, after they have made changes like altering the temperature of July 21st 1889 back on October 3rd 2012, and again on January 14th 2013, and so on.

What you need to realize is that the recorded temperature at a given weather station is not what you read about in press releases. None of the global warming "science" compares apples to apples. It paints an apple orange, throws it in a microwave, and stamps "Sunkist" on it and tells you it's an orange.

And you believe it.



I find this to be incredibly amusing coming from someone who thinks AGW is real because scientists told him AGW is real. Yet you would also likely defend all of the failures and dead-ends in science as "the model" and tell us it's all about getting it wrong until you get it right.

But this, this topic (AGW), they have it right already. You just...... know.

When you compare raw data to raw data, you take their manipulations and data fraud out of the equation. You can plot it out and see for yourself that there is no global warming on even a decadal trend when you compare raw data to raw data.

So really the only use for a climate scientist is to push a fraud on a gullible citizenry that believes them on blind faith and never asks to see the actual data. Lots of funding to be had from the lemmings who feel like they can help "save the world."

Coming from someone that bases his entire opinion on a graph he found online. The irony is comedy gold, lol.

[big4mi2ke0]

Coming from someone that bases his entire opinion on a graph he found online. The irony is comedy gold, lol.

This.

[BigSeph]

Do you think the scary AGW scientists are running all of the journals as well?

It's not a juvenile challenge either. The original author would legitimately win a Nobel Prize.

Ask people like Richard Lindzen and Judith Curry how that works.

[BigSeph]

Coming from someone that bases his entire opinion on a graph he found online. The irony is comedy gold, lol.

Well you claimed it on the internet, so it must be true.

I'm sure you're a real rocket scientist on the subject.

I'll note for the record that you didn't have anything to say about the fact that raw data gathered from thermometers across the world over the past 100+ years shows zero warming.

[pgisback]

Well you claimed it on the internet, so it must be true.

I'm sure you're a real rocket scientist on the subject.

I'll note for the record that you didn't have anything to say about the fact that raw data gathered from thermometers across the world over the past 100+ years shows zero warming.

First off it's not actually "raw data". It's an averaging that takes some liberties as to how it's applied. Second the source of the raw data explains why they come to the conclusions they do. Which is that AGW is real. I'll believe the entire world of academic institutions and scientific organizations over .com bloggers. Sorry. I guess if Judith Curry says all the other scientists are wrong, it must be true!!

[big4mi2ke0]

Well you claimed it on the internet, so it must be true.

I'm sure you're a real rocket scientist on the subject.

I'll note for the record that you didn't have anything to say about the fact that raw data gathered from thermometers across the world over the past 100+ years shows zero warming.

Idiottheories.com/climatechange:doh:

[BigSeph]

First off it's not actually "raw data". It's an averaging that takes some liberties as to how it's applied. Second the source of the raw data explains why they come to the conclusions they do. Which is that AGW is real. I'll believe the entire world of academic institutions and scientific organizations over .com bloggers. Sorry. I guess if Judith Curry says all the other scientists are wrong, it must be true!!

It's obvious you've spent about 2 minutes investigating this topic in your life.

Bark up another tree.

[BigSeph]

Idiottheories.com/climatechange:doh:

Combine you and the previous poster and maybe we're up to 3.5 minutes of lifetime efforts to investigate the topic.

Gosh when will you guys unleash the "97%!!!" on me.

[pingbling23]

The world is obviously a pyramid. What do you think the Egyptians were trying to tell us.

[pgisback]

It's obvious you've spent about 2 minutes investigating this topic in your life.

Bark up another tree.

Keep reading your .com blogger sites. I hear that's what academics and intelligent people do, lol.

[ljandkg]

The world is obviously a pyramid. What do you think the Egyptians were trying to tell us.

The world is a vampire, according to the Smashing Pumpkins.

I'll debate you....

[Andy5]

UNC fans having some fun...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C49IJxrWcAAKnzs.jpg

The world can still be round if it was flat....sphere would be the more acceptable word. Silly UNC.

[IronMonkey415]

This is what happens to us when there are no NBA games on tv.

4 pages.

[pgisback]

The world can still be round if it was flat....sphere would be the more acceptable word. Silly UNC.

Round can be used to describe a sphere

[big4mi2ke0]

Combine you and the previous poster and maybe we're up to 3.5 minutes of lifetime efforts to investigate the topic.

Gosh when will you guys unleash the "97%!!!" on me.

I don't have an oversimplified graph for that though.

[yiguiri2002]

Crazy theory here: What If Kyrie actually thinks that flat means round and round means flat? And he's actually saying that the world is round and that people are crazy for thinking it's flat?

I honestly think this would be more reasonable than him believing the world is flat.

[patchgenie]

i guess being dumb is the cool thing to do now:doh:

[thenwhatjk]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

[jj2]

Kyrie should watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUxmCXSmtVo

[justgo5]

Holy crap dude. Kyrie Irving is either an A-level troll or he's a total idiot.

Thank God he's good a dribbling a basketball.

He's really just messing with ya!

[gatorboymike]

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2454/32951807831_9c9bf155a9_o_d.jpg

[rman112]

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2454/32951807831_9c9bf155a9_o_d.jpg

LOL.. that's pretty good

[csrockerzero]

science >>> basketball player who believes our planet is flat

[duron]

I just want Spooks to come back.

[duron]

Spooks, I summon thee.

[gatorboymike]

#kyrietard