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Sources: Pelicans offering their 2017 first-round pick, Buddy Hield and an additional first-round pick to the Kings for DeMarcus Cousins.

I didn't want to put trade but we can use this thread in case he does end up traded.

[Yaga]

AD and Cousins together? Wow

[volblorx8634]

No way, Kings already said they're not trading Cousins and Cousins himself has said he's going to resign with the Kings. Obviously you never know what'll happened but I would be shocked if the Kings accept.

[ninjacookies]

AD and Cousins together? Wow

Yeah that would be insanity.

Not sure how much stock I put into this proposal, as he's still arguably the most talented center in the game.

[goehring9]

He would look so much better in a Lakers uniform

[Ottomatic]

I don't value Cousins nearly as high as the common fan and even I don't think that's enough. Though the Pels 2017 pick is really valuable. Lottery pick in a deep draft. If Hield was a little more promising, maybe.

[IamRalpho]

If the Pelicans do this and lose Holiday, I would LOL

People are going to be surprised at the return for Boogie, its not gonna be a ton

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

If the Pelicans do this and lose Holiday, I would LOL

People are going to be surprised at the return for Boogie, its not gonna be a ton

I would much rather have Boogie's talents than that of Buddy or Holiday at this point in time. Frazier has proven to be a capable back up. The two towers would dominate the low post and stretch out defenses.

[cdub6238]

im not exactly sure how this would work for either team...

the Kings suck against defending guards period..and adding Buddy Hield wouldnt help that. And its not like hes been a scoring machine either..although i guess hed get more of a chance out from under AD and Jrue..

but then thatd leave them with a hole at C/PF...Koufos is decent and WCS CAN be good, but he still needs to develop..and neither of them are Boogie quality

also with Boogie/AD on same team...they might be hell defensively..but theyd eat into each others production on the offense side..hell AD already sees a decrease in shots now that Jrue is healthy and "trying" to score all the time

[IamRalpho]

I would much rather have Boogie's talents than that of Buddy or Holiday at this point in time. Frazier has proven to be a capable back up. The two towers would dominate the low post and stretch out defenses.

It would literally be Boogie, AD, and thats it. No picks, no shooters, nothing else.

[cp3fan]

No way, Kings already said they're not trading Cousins and Cousins himself has said he's going to resign with the Kings. Obviously you never know what'll happened but I would be shocked if the Kings accept.

LOL really? Have you paid attention to kings ownership and management. This is probably unlikely but anything is possible with them.

[bustsomewax]

The Kings just need to move on from Cousins. It's an unhealthy situation for everyone involved and will remain as such until he is either traded or becomes a FA.

Let him become the problem of one of your opponents. I personally hope he finds a healthy landing spot, but the Pelicans arent one of them.

[dasiegel]

Yeah that would be insanity.

Not sure how much stock I put into this proposal, as he's still arguably the most talented center in the game.

Interesting trade though if the Kings wanted to move him. I like Hield and this draft should be good plus another 1st rounder. I mean don't get me wrong, the Kings would draft like 2 more Ben McLemores but interesting if they couldn't get like Boston 1st rounder type thing.

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

It would literally be Boogie, AD, and thats it. No picks, no shooters, nothing else.

And what may I ask do the have now that is so important on keeping intact?

The only player on that roster who they must keep is AD, everyone else is disposable, and if I can get Cousins for Buddy Hield and a 2017 first rounder, that quite frankly is a steal at this point in history. You would be getting a known entity for two 3-4year projects which may or may not pan out.

Just for arguments sake lets say Jrue Holiday doesn't resign and you have Boogie as an addition, their starting lineup would look like this.

PG- Tim Frazier
SG- Tyreke Evans
SF- Solomon Hill/Dante Cunningham
PF- Anthony Davis
C- Demarcus Cousins

VS

PG- Jrue Holiday
SG- Tyreke Evans/Hield
SF- Solomon Hill
PF- Anthony Davis
C- Dante Cunningham/A. Ajinca

[ninjacookies]

the Kings would draft like 2 more Ben McLemores

That's exactly the issue lol. I get people generally don't like Cousins because of his documented attitude issues, but he single-handedly has them in playoff contention from the center position. That's hard to do with that roster (Gay's been out).

You're not going to find a 28/11/5 guy anywhere else. His talent is undeniable, and I'm not sure if giving him up for a wildcard chucking sg and 2 unknowns is really the best they could do. If I'm kings management and really looking to move, I'm wanting to get a sure thing back. Give me a guy like Butler over draft picks any day of the week.

[ninjacookies]

And what may I ask do the have now that is so important on keeping intact?

The only player on that roster who they must keep is AD, everyone else is disposable, and if I can get Cousins for Buddy Hield and a 2017 first rounder, that quite frankly is a steal at this point in history. You would be getting a known entity for two 3-4year projects which may or may not pan out.

Just for arguments sake lets say Jrue Holiday doesn't resign and you have Boogie as an addition, their starting lineup would look like this.

PG- Tim Frazier
SG- Tyreke Evans
SF- Solomon Hill/Dante Cunningham
PF- Anthony Davis
C- Demarcus Cousins

VS

PG- Jrue Holiday
SG- Tyreke Evans/Hield
SF- Solomon Hill
PF- Anthony Davis
C- Dante Cunningham/A. Ajinca


Exactly, outside of AD, nobody on that roster is indespensable. Jrue shows flashes, but he hasn't exactly shown great growth offensively. Good distributor though.

[bustsomewax]

If the Pelicans pull this off, I'd let Jrue walk. I think Frazier would be a decent enough distributor.

[IamRalpho]

Has nothing to do with indispensable players but you need shooters and talent around them and you won't have it. Not like free agents are gonna take less to play there and with no picks they'll be in trouble.

Plus Boogie is a FA. He can just leave.

[volblorx8634]

LOL really? Have you paid attention to kings ownership and management. This is probably unlikely but anything is possible with them.

Haha true, the Kings are as dysfunctional as they come, but the one thing they have been pretty consistent on is not trading Cousins. And especially for such an unimpressive return? I could certainly be wrong, though.

[dasiegel]

That's exactly the issue lol. I get people generally don't like Cousins because of his documented attitude issues, but he single-handedly has them in playoff contention from the center position. That's hard to do with that roster (Gay's been out).

You're not going to find a 28/11/5 guy anywhere else. His talent is undeniable, and I'm not sure if giving him up for a wildcard chucking sg and 2 unknowns is really the best they could do. If I'm kings management and really looking to move, I'm wanting to get a sure thing back. Give me a guy like Butler over draft picks any day of the week.

As usual we are on the same page. It is a steal when you get these types of talents. I'm sure playing next to AD his attitude will miraculously get better if they are winning too. Cousins, Butlers etc don't grow on trees. Most 1st rounders don't turn into those guys.

[ninjacookies]

As usual we are on the same page. It is a steal when you get these types of talents. I'm sure playing next to AD his attitude will miraculously get better if they are winning too. Cousins, Butlers etc don't grow on trees. Most 1st rounders don't turn into those guys.

Yep. Talents like that don't come around often. And I'd MUCH rather have a center that has hot head issues (stemming from his actual passion for the game) over one that has a laundry list of injury concerns.

[the27guy]

If the pels make this trade and cousins walks? Can you imagine how bare those cupboards would be in NO? AD and nobody, without the chance to even draft anyone for 2 of the next three years.

But I see the appeal. Having possibly the two best offensive big in the league on your team makes you pretty unique and difficult to stop.

[the27guy]

Cousins is headed to NO according to Woj. Wow!

[the27guy]

Sacramento has agreed to trade DeMarcus Cousins to the New Orleans Pelicans, league source tells @TheVertical.

[JustinVerlander07]

Not quite sure how Davis/Cousins will mesh together (my guess is poorly), but that will definitely be interesting.

[TWard]

It's official! Wow


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[ninjacookies]

Cousins is headed to NO according to Woj. Wow!

Lord almighty. What a blockbuster move. Pelicans committed highway robbery.

[eaglescubs555]

How does this impact Brow cards? If at all?

[imbluestreak23]

Cousins is headed to NO according to Woj. Wow!

wow

Kentucky fans will have a bunch of awesome cards to chase next year.

[Ottomatic]

WOOOOOW

[ninjacookies]

How does this impact Brow cards? If at all?

Prices probably won't move pending the team having success and making a playoff push.

Only concern is if he keeps up his individual stats, which will probably be difficult with another near-30ppg guy on the roster.

Probably the most gifted twin tower pairing in league history. Olajuwon was a beast, but Ralph Sampson was nowhere near as gifted offensively as AD.

[mrchipz]

WOW they got tyreke ;too!!!

what happens if cousind doesnt sign extension with them after this!!

that would be the biggest loss for new orleans ever

[TWard]

Wow, they got to keep Hield too?

Tyreke, Galloway and 2 firsts? Pelicans just robbed Sacramento.


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[JerseyCP3]

WOW they got tyreke ;too!!!

what happens if cousind doesnt sign extension with them after this!!

that would be the biggest loss for new orleans ever

Another dumb move. We need shooting and still paying Asik

[ninjacookies]

Wow, they got to keep Hield too?

Tyreke, Galloway and 2 firsts? Pelicans just robbed Sacramento.


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Only concern is if Cousins doesn't resign in the offseason. But I really don't put much faith into those talks...Cousins gets to finally play alongside a legit superstar. Glad both of these guys finally got the help they deserve.

[Chris P]

Wow, they got to keep Hield too?

Tyreke, Galloway and 2 firsts? Pelicans just robbed Sacramento.


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Thought I read it was hield..Galloway Evans a 1st in 2017 and a 2nd in 2018?

[kdailey4315]

Wow, they got to keep Hield too?

Tyreke, Galloway and 2 firsts? Pelicans just robbed Sacramento.


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ESPN is saying Held is part of the deal right now.

[kdailey4315]

Thought I read it was hield..Galloway Evans a 1st in 2017 and a 2nd in 2018?

That's what ESPN is saying right now

[the27guy]

How does this impact Brow cards? If at all?

Put it this way, up until today, his team had no chance of contending in the foreseeable future....

This is why I sold my AD collection which included about 20 cards valued at over a grand each. Because at some point a player has to win.

If he and cousins can figure out the chemistry, and cousins can grow up, they can win and can be unstoppable.

[TWard]

ESPN is saying Held is part of the deal right now.


Marc Stein needs to get his s*** together.

[mrchipz]

get your willie cauley stein cards ready! he gets his shot now

[Skybox]

Wow, they got to keep Hield too?

Tyreke, Galloway and 2 firsts? Pelicans just robbed Sacramento.


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Looks like Hield was part of the deal

I'll disagree with most on here ... I think Sac-town came out ok ... Got a couple of prospects, a first rounder & got rid of a ginormous head case

[IamRalpho]

Boogie, 40 cents on the dollar.

Amazing talent, but people just dont wanna take the risk.

[kdailey4315]

Put it this way, up until today, his team had no chance of contending in the foreseeable future....

This is why I sold my AD collection which included about 20 cards valued at over a grand each. Because at some point a player has to win.

If he and cousins can figure out the chemistry, and cousins can grow up, they can win and can be unstoppable.

That's might be th biggest if in the history of the NBA. I see them as Ewing Oakley part 2 where boogie is a better offensive Oakley. Until Boogie is 100% ready to take a supporting role they're not going anywhere

[ninjacookies]

So it appears the Kings are hinging their entire future on the upcoming draft and their ability to select a monster. Tanked 2nd half of the year incoming as well...looks like they might have 2 lottery picks in the waiting.

[TWard]

Looks like Hield was part of the deal



I'll disagree with most on here ... I think Sac-town came out ok ... Got a couple of prospects, a first rounder & got rid of a ginormous head case


Yeah I saw. Was reading Marc Stein's tweet and all he said was Tyreke + Galloway + 2 firsts. Guess he was wrong.

[Ottomatic]

Smart basketball people close to the game always said if Cousins got dealt it would be for WAY less than you can imagine. I didn't expect it to be this little. Does highlight how overrated he is by the fans (GMs/FOs are really really smart) and his attitude problems. Also I guess extending him may be an issue.

That being said, he's an all star caliber player for this year, and you got to like the risk for the Pels.

[kdailey4315]

I can't believe the Pelicans actually did this trade.

[ninjacookies]

Looks like Hield was part of the deal

I'll disagree with most on here ... I think Sac-town came out ok ... Got a couple of prospects, a first rounder & got rid of a ginormous head case

The same head case that singlehandedly had them in the playoff race this year?

Yes, he's a headcase, but his production and skillset still puts him at the head of his position.

[kdailey4315]

Smart basketball people close to the game always said if Cousins got dealt it would be for WAY less than you can imagine. I didn't expect it to be this little. Does highlight how overrated he is by the fans (GMs/FOs are really really smart) and his attitude problems. Also I guess extending him may be an issue.

That being said, he's an all star caliber player for this year, and you got to like the risk for the Pels.

He got dealt for essentially 3 first round picks. How is that "so little?"

[Cavaliercards]

Bad move by Pelicans as he isn't gonna stay

[TWard]

The same head case that singlehandedly had them in the playoff race this year?



Yes, he's a headcase, but his production and skillset still puts him at the head of his position.


I'm not a fan of Cousins; but I agree with all of this. Headcase, nut job, whatever, he's still one of the best frontcourt players in the league.

[ninjacookies]

He got dealt for essentially 3 first round picks. How is that "so little?"

Lol I was going to say the same. Especially when next year's pick most likely will be a lottery selection. Hield and Evans are still very capable talents as well...definitely far from throwaways.

[avjp87]

Great "move" for the sixers. That 1st rd pick from the kings is looking better.

[TWard]

Wouldn't be surprised if NO lands a solid name in FA during the offseason and they have their own Big 3.

If so... New Orleans vs. Minnesota in the 2019 NBA Finals? [emoji23][emoji23]


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[ninjacookies]

Wouldn't be surprised if NO lands a solid name in FA during the offseason and they have their own Big 3.

If so... New Orleans vs. Minnesota in the 2019 NBA Finals? [emoji23][emoji23]


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It's crazy...they still got to keep Holiday. If he can take the next step in his game, they could already have their big 3. He will have his fair share of easy lob looks like cp3 in the coming months.

[fazzle]

So....Pelicans to now finish 39-43, get swept by the Warriors and then Cousins will leave town. TOTALLY WORTH IT.

[ninjacookies]

From a logistics standpoint, NO also hedged their bets against AD's inevitable future injuries/missed games. Anchor the middle with a guy that can run the offense when mr. glass is out. Makes a whole lot of sense.

[the27guy]

NOs biggest challenges.....

1. Incorporating cousins and gaining chemistry.

2. Defense. They're going to really struggle to defend.

[ordietrying99]

I'm not a fan of Cousins; but I agree with all of this. Headcase, nut job, whatever, he's still one of the best frontcourt players in the league.
It's a funny the way he is discussed in today's NBA. Back in the day anyone else would want his attitude on the court. Maybe some toughness is what Davis needs. While he does good around the league on average pts, blocks, seen him get dominated in the post and paint by bigger body guys. Not sure if Cousins is the answer for that, but he will clear paths for Davis down low by drawing another big. Sacramento wins here overall in big way$$$$

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[rookies]

IF stern was still in nab he would have vetoed this trade. Has to be the worst hall for a player with his stats ever.

[Ottomatic]

He got dealt for essentially 3 first round picks. How is that "so little?"

Heild may not even be an NBA player. Depends on what you think of him.

Pels pick is good to get. Should be around 15.

I don't consider them tanking and getting a "3rd 1st round pick" part of the Cousins haul. That literally has no impact on what teams would give them, and easily could have been done in house anyway.

[Ottomatic]

No matter what you think of Cousins, the idea of watching him and AD is pretty exciting. They could bang the Warriors up in the 1st round.

[kdailey4315]

From a logistics standpoint, NO also hedged their bets against AD's inevitable future injuries/missed games. Anchor the middle with a guy that can run the offense when mr. glass is out. Makes a whole lot of sense.

With an even bigger unknown cancer head case.

[the27guy]

No matter what you think of Cousins, the idea of watching him and AD is pretty exciting. They could bang the Warriors up in the 1st round.

I agree

But then I remember the Demarcus cousins we've all grown to love over this last 7 years.

I'd guess they don't make the playoffs.

I'd guess this doesn't work out

[kdailey4315]

Heild may not even be an NBA player. Depends on what you think of him.

Pels pick is good to get. Should be around 15.

I don't consider them tanking and getting a "3rd 1st round pick" part of the Cousins haul. That literally has no impact on what teams would give them, and easily could have been done in house anyway.

True. When I wrote that I thought NO gave up 2 first round picks. Not a first and second.

[Ottomatic]

I agree

But then I remember the Demarcus cousins we've all grown to love over this last 7 years.

I'd guess they don't make the playoffs.

I'd guess this doesn't work out

Agree, good chance it's a train wreck. Really good chance they're probably just an OK team. But there's also a chance it's magical and they can do some really special things with two big men that can really do it all.. No matter what happens, it will be must-see TV.

[Ottomatic]

True. When I wrote that I thought NO gave up 2 first round picks. Not a first and second.

Yeah, just one, though the second does have solid value as well.

I do agree somewhat though. The Pels pick could very well be a lottery pick and it is a deep draft. Also it highlights the value of picks in the new CBA. Rookie wage players are worth a lot.

I still think it's a light return, but who knows how bad things were with the relationship with Cousins and his teammates/coaches/front office.

[ninjacookies]

True. When I wrote that I thought NO gave up 2 first round picks. Not a first and second.

Even if he gets ejected at his current career pace (less than 2 per season), he'll still end up missing a millifraction of the games that Davis does from being made out of paper machet.

I think some people run with the trend and blow things out of proportion a bit. The reason why the Kings haven't been successful since forever is because they've had crappy teams....since forever.

You'll see exactly how bad that squad is once the second half begins and Collison becomes the interim franchise player.

[the27guy]

Agree, good chance it's a train wreck. Really good chance they're probably just an OK team. But there's also a chance it's magical and they can do some really special things with two big men that can really do it all.. No matter what happens, it will be must-see TV.

Yep.

It will be must watch because they're so different! Nobody even remotely resembles them. Nothing will shock me at this point.

Let the speculation on AD and Cousins rookies begin!

[Steveefranchise]

HOLY $HIT! God I love the NBA!

[msink28]

Might be good for Cousins not to have to be the guy every night. He should get some easier looks too as teams won't be able to help off of Davis with another big. Plus, the fact that the Pelicans aren't "his team" should keep him in line a little bit. He knows Davis is the guy there.

I like the price for New Orleans. Maybe Hield can be a good NBA player, but it doesn't seem likely in Sacramento. Tyreke Evans is a free agent after this year and it wasn't working out for him in NOLA. He was gone.

I'm a little surprised there wasn't a Terrence Jones for Ben McLemore swap to accompany this deal.

[TWard]

Mind blown: the Nuggets got more first round picks for Timofey Mozgov in 2015 than Sacramento got for Cousins tonight.

[kaushikentucky]

Pelicans robbed the Kings if Boogie resigns....what a deal!

As a Knicks fan I'm so jealous, I wish we could make one legitimate deal where I see a small glimmer of hope!

[Steveefranchise]

Ninja this would be a winning strategy for anyone but the Kings. They are literally the worst drafters in the NBA. They've have had two (read: luck as ****) notable non-Boogie draft picks in what the last ten years? (While all being early lottery picks.)

One is an All Star in Boston - Hey Eric Moreland was a D-League All-Star two years straight.

The other is close to leading the league in rebounding in Miami after the Kings designated to him Azerbaijan after a year.

They're could 8 HOFers in the top ten this year and the Kings would absolutely select the two D-Leaguers.


So it appears the Kings are hinging their entire future on the upcoming draft and their ability to select a monster. Tanked 2nd half of the year incoming as well...looks like they might have 2 lottery picks in the waiting.

[kdailey4315]

Am I the only one that doesn't get this trade? At best you have an Ewing Oakley combo with a better offensive Oakley yet no guard to facilitate the vicious 4/5 combo. You've traded away what is probably a lottery first round pick and Cousins can bail next year. What am I missing? At worst you've traded or a malcontent that will eat away at your team from the inside forcing everyone to bail next year.

[Andy5]

Unleash WCS!

[kaushikentucky]

Am I the only one that doesn't get this trade? At best you have an Ewing Oakley combo with a better offensive Oakley yet no guard to facilitate the vicious 4/5 combo. You've traded away what is probably a lottery first round pick and Cousins can bail next year. What am I missing? At worst you've traded or a malcontent that will eat away at your team from the inside forcing everyone to bail next year.

Sorry man, this is the best 4 and 5 combo since David Robinson and Tim Duncan were on the same team together. Can you tell me a time where a 4 and 5 on a team are going to average 50 points and 25 boards a game and both players are about even?

[TWard]

Alright, prepare to laugh at the mediocrity of all this.. Here are the Kings' drafts since 2005:

2005 (R1, P23): Francisco Garcia
2006 (R1, P19): Quincy Douby
2007 (R1, P10): Spencer Hawes
2008 (R1, P12): Jason Thompson
2008 (R2, P42): Sean Singletary
2008 (R2, P43): DJ Strawberry
2009 (R1, P4): Tyreke Evans
2009 (R1, P23): Omri Casspi
2010 (R1, P5): Demarcus Cousins
2010 (R2, P33): Hassan Whiteside (solid player in MIA)
2011 (R1, P7): Bismack Biyombo (traded on draft night, ended up with Jimmer Fredette)
2011 (R2, P35): Tyler Honeycutt
2011 (R2, P60): Isiah Thomas (self-explanatory)
2012 (R1, P5): Thomas Robinson
2012 (R2, P36): Orlando Johnson
2013 (R1, P7): Ben McLemore
2013 (R2, P36): Ray McCallum Jr.
2014 (R1, P8): Nik Stauskas
2015 (R1, P6): Willie Cauley-Stein
2016 (R1, P8): Marquese Chriss (traded on draft night - ended up with Labissiere/Papagiannis)
2016 (R2, P59): Isaiah Cousins

[BoxBreaker72]

This is one of the worst trades I have ever seen for the Kings.

Absolutely butchered this.

[the27guy]

Marc stein....

The 2017 first-rounder going from New Orleans to Sacramento in the DeMarcus Cousins trade is top-3 protected, according to league sources

[Steveefranchise]

Alright, prepare to laugh at the mediocrity of all this.. Here are the Kings' drafts since 2005:

2005 (R1, P23): Francisco Garcia
2006 (R1, P19): Quincy Douby
2007 (R1, P10): Spencer Hawes
2008 (R1, P12): Jason Thompson
2008 (R2, P42): Sean Singletary
2008 (R2, P43): DJ Strawberry
2009 (R1, P4): Tyreke Evans
2009 (R1, P23): Omri Casspi
2010 (R1, P5): Demarcus Cousins
2010 (R2, P33): Hassan Whiteside (solid player in MIA)
2011 (R1, P7): Bismack Biyombo (traded on draft night, ended up with Jimmer Fredette)
2011 (R2, P35): Tyler Honeycutt
2011 (R2, P60): Isiah Thomas (self-explanatory)
2012 (R1, P5): Thomas Robinson
2012 (R2, P36): Orlando Johnson
2013 (R1, P7): Ben McLemore
2013 (R2, P36): Ray McCallum Jr.
2014 (R1, P8): Nik Stauskas
2015 (R1, P6): Willie Cauley-Stein
2016 (R1, P8): Marquese Chriss (traded on draft night - ended up with Labissiere/Papagiannis)
2016 (R2, P59): Isaiah Cousins


This is the franchise betting on the draft this year. Thank you Tward for the official list of lost opportunity.

No one bricks picks like the Kings.

[Steveefranchise]

Marc stein....

The 2017 first-rounder going from New Orleans to Sacramento in the DeMarcus Cousins trade is top-3 protected, according to league sources

:doh::doh::doh:

[Mobleyjohn982]

Let me hear some feedback on this. At this moment, I would say the only teams that legitimately have a shot at the title are the Cavs, Warriors, Spurs, Celtics, and Raptors. At the end of the year, what if Blake Griffin decided to go home and sign with OKC. They may not be on the Warriors level, but I think they would have to be considered a contender with Westbrook and Blake. As a result of Blake leaving, CP3 signed with the team that drafted him and formed a big 3 of AD, Boogie, and CP3. Just a thought, but I think CP3 may even leave before Blake. Would make the western conference much more competitive.

[BoxBreaker72]

Fans should refuse to go to any games in Sac.

How is that trade allowed to happen? Lmao.. It's almost like they are trying to help NO.

[Jedi1823]

So....Pelicans to now finish 39-43, get swept by the Warriors and then Cousins will leave town. TOTALLY WORTH IT.

If Davis and Cousins mesh well, it will be the ultimate nightmare for Golden State to face. Those 2 would feast on Golden State's inside game. The Warriors would still in all likelihood win, but after facing those 2, they'd be tired.

[TWard]

Here's some more funny stuff. The Kings drafted 2 really good players (Whiteside and IT) and a fairly solid one (Biyombo), so now let's look at what they got in return for these players:

Whiteside Compensation - nothing; was waived after about 25 months with the Kings

IT Compensation - traded to Phoenix in 2014 for Alex Oriakhi and a trade exception

Biyombo Compensation - traded on draft night for Jimmer Fredette (lasted less than 3 years with the team) and John Salmons (who was dealt about 2.5 years later to Toronto for Quincy Acy, Aaron Gray and Rudy Gay)

So, for compensation for Isaiah Thomas, Whiteside and Biyombo, all the Kings have to show for it is an overrated Rudy Gay, who is also out for the year. Good job, Kings front office.


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[the27guy]

I see the one sided comments here and everywhere else and I have to pause for a sec. Facing a decision to hand over the franchise to a guy who has been regarded by many as one of the worst teammates in NBA history, while never winning more than 32 games over the course of 7 seasons, the kings finally decided to go in a different direction.

Good for them.

I've said it before, I think Demarcus Cousins is single most talented player in the league. He's amazing. But I don't think he was ever going to mature in Sacramento. Will he in New Orleans? Don't know. But it's time. I'm glad they moved him - for their sakes. Now, they need to see what they have on their roster, bottom out and use their (probably) two lottery picks to move forward. They have a good coach and some young talent.

[Jin]

Kings could have had IT and Boogie running the show.

And now they have nothing.

[TWard]

Kings could have had IT and Boogie running the show.

And now they have nothing.



They could've also had Thomas, Tyreke Evans, Cousins and Whiteside in their starting lineup with Biyombo coming off the bench. Oh well.

[stevenhsu]

You guys think it's a good time to buy in AD or Boogies?

I actually think they'll make the playoffs, just don't know which one will catches all the spotlight.

[Steveefranchise]

OMG you're right! It was Alex Oriakhi! God I've been wrongly citing Eric Moreland's D-League success when it was Alex Oriakhi!

*Alex Oriakhi has never played a minute in the NBA per Wikipedia.


Here's some more funny stuff. The Kings drafted 2 really good players (Whiteside and IT) and a fairly solid one (Biyombo), so now let's look at what they got in return for these players:

IT Compensation - traded to Phoenix in 2014 for Alex Oriakhi and a trade exception.

[Steveefranchise]

Jesus it just dawned on me that Eric Moreland is actually better than the guy they got for IT. Wow.

[kdailey4315]

Sorry man, this is the best 4 and 5 combo since David Robinson and Tim Duncan were on the same team together. Can you tell me a time where a 4 and 5 on a team are going to average 50 points and 25 boards a game and both players are about even?

They don't average 50 and 25 on different teams. What makes you think they'll average that on the same team?

[kaushikentucky]

They don't average 50 and 25 on different teams. What makes you think they'll average that on the same team?

I believe it's a little self-explanatory, but i'll explain:

They average 55.5 pts and 23 rb per game on seperate teams. I think they will perform even better now.

I assume they will get 50 points and 25 boards combined bc they will seal up the paint. One more thing, BOOGIE has been passing great this year, you will see him pass out of the paint or he will be one on one because ppl are too worried about AD.

They will shine together next season, may not occur immediatley, they need a couple shooting guards and then teams will have to pick their poison because the spacing will be too great!

[ninjacookies]

I believe it's a little self-explanatory, but i'll explain:

They average 55.5 pts and 23 rb per game on seperate teams. I think they will perform even better now.

I assume they will get 50 points and 25 boards combined bc they will seal up the paint. One more thing, BOOGIE has been passing great this year, you will see him pass out of the paint or he will be one on one because ppl are too worried about AD.

They will shine together next season, may not occur immediatley, they need a couple shooting guards and then teams will have to pick their poison because the spacing will be too great!


They both have good range from 15 to 23 feet too. Pretty crazy. Teams will have themselves a task trying to find ways to contain one of them, let alone both.

[cp3fan]

Kings could have had IT and Boogie running the show.

And now they have nothing.

Not sure how well that would've worked as cousins did not like IT.

[the27guy]

Not sure how well that would've worked as cousins did not like IT.

The reason they reportedly traded him in the first place....

[Steveefranchise]

Is this recent beef? I always remember Cuz and the Pizza guy getting along and having good chemistry

Not sure how well that would've worked as cousins did not like IT.

[kdailey4315]

I believe it's a little self-explanatory, but i'll explain:

They average 55.5 pts and 23 rb per game on seperate teams. I think they will perform even better now.

I assume they will get 50 points and 25 boards combined bc they will seal up the paint. One more thing, BOOGIE has been passing great this year, you will see him pass out of the paint or he will be one on one because ppl are too worried about AD.

They will shine together next season, may not occur immediatley, they need a couple shooting guards and then teams will have to pick their poison because the spacing will be too great!

They both average almost identical stats on different teams where they are the center point of the offense. How on Earth can you expect them to average the same thing on the same team?

[kaushikentucky]

They both average almost identical stats on different teams where they are the center point of the offense. How on Earth can you expect them to average the same thing on the same team?

I don't think you're getting it, this isn't Kevin Love coming to the Cavs....they have no one else.

Between Boogie and AD there will be 35 shots a game guaranteed....you can book it! And don't you think if one guy goes for 30 points in a night, the other won't get at least 18-20....be realistic, both of these guys score and there's no one else on this team other than Holiday that can do it.

Boogie and AD are constantly watched and double teamed, if you do that to Boogie there will be an open man or AD will take it to the rack. When they get a couple PURE shooters, Boogie will pass out from the paint to the 3 point line and if they DON'T DOUBLE BOOGIE.......

Good Luck!

[OMG]

I watched a few vids on this trade and Supposedly Cousins is unlikely to sign an extension with any team if traded before the deadline , so the Pelicans are taking a big Gamble on this deal . Is Cousins a free agent this summer ?

[cp3fan]

Is this recent beef? I always remember Cuz and the Pizza guy getting along and having good chemistry

No this beef is from when they played together. If I remember correctly, cousins felt Thomas was a ball hog and didn't like the way he played

[kdailey4315]

I don't think you're getting it, this isn't Kevin Love coming to the Cavs....they have no one else.

Between Boogie and AD there will be 35 shots a game guaranteed....you can book it!

Boogie and AD are constantly watched and double teamed, if you do that to Boogie there will be an open man or AD will take it to the rack. When they get a couple PURE shooters, Boogie will pass out from the paint to the 3 point line and if they DON'T DOUBLE BOOGIE.......

Good Luck!

I would 100% agree with you but it doesn't work that way with a 4/5. They're essentially the same player give or take minute differences. Their game doesn't create space where teams have to choose who to guard. A team defending them can clog up the paint and effectively shut them both down. With this trade NO has no inside outside game anymore. it's all inside. They can easily be neutralized with a solid zone defense.

[cp3fan]

I watched a few vids on this trade and Supposedly Cousins is unlikely to sign an extension with any team if traded before the deadline , so the Pelicans are taking a big Gamble on this deal . Is Cousins a free agent this summer ?

Might be a big gamble but this is a move the pelicans couldn't turn down. They gave up very little of value for cousins and now have the opportunity to prove he should resign with them when he enters free agency this summer. I see it as a lower risk high reward for NO.

[Steveefranchise]

This is actually even worse for the Kings than originally reported....per Sauce Castillo

Sixers Acquire Three Players From Sacramento | Philadelphia 76ers (http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/150710-kings-trade-release)

76ers can swap firsts this year and have 2019 Kings first rounder unprotected. There is no way this front office could be more incompetent.

[kaushikentucky]

I would 100% agree with you but it doesn't work that way with a 4/5. They're essentially the same player give or take minute differences. Their game doesn't create space where teams have to choose who to guard. A team defending them can clog up the paint and effectively shut them both down. With this trade NO has no inside outside game anymore. it's all inside. They can easily be neutralized with a solid zone defense.

I see your point, and you are right that it could clog up the paint, but did you know Cousins takes more 3's than Lebron, and AD usually plays outside the paint?

I see what you're saying, but AD is extremely versatile and Boogie can stretch the court. Imagine this, Jrue Holiday runs on fastbreak, Boogie camps in the corner for a 3 and AD is in the paint, pick your poison.

[tjforce]

Might be a big gamble but this is a move the pelicans couldn't turn down. They gave up very little of value for cousins and now have the opportunity to prove he should resign with them when he enters free agency this summer. I see it as a lower risk high reward for NO.

This is why I like the deal.

Pelicans are some great years from Davis. This might be a long shot to work, but it's better than what they had going in.

[tingyangs6]

So it appears the Kings are hinging their entire future on the upcoming draft and their ability to select a monster. Tanked 2nd half of the year incoming as well...looks like they might have 2 lottery picks in the waiting.

Yeah, they are going to draft two Ben Mclemores like you all said earlier. They struck out so much over the years when it came to drafting; Thomas Robinson over Lillard, Tyreke Evans over Steph Curry, Fredette over Klay Thompson and Leonard, McLemore over McCollum and Giannis, Stauskas over Lavine, Willie Stein over Devin Booker, drafted Marquise Chriss and traded him for a d-league player, and let Isiah Thomas walk. Demarcus Cousins was the only draft pick that they got lucky with and they sold low on him. I remember the Lakers were willing to part with Russell and Randle for him and the Kings said no. I'm a long time Kings fan and now I know how it feels to be a Cleveland Browns fan. Pathetic front office.

[cp3fan]

This is why I like the deal.

Pelicans are some great years from Davis. This might be a long shot to work, but it's better than what they had going in.

Agreed 100%. I don't see how it would've made any sense to pass on this and remain status quo because status quo was getting them nowhere.

[tingyangs6]

"There are no such things as bad teams... Only bad front offices"

- Charles Barkley

[exoticprince]

Good gamble by the pelicans. Worth all the risk 1000%. Crazy move by the kings. They could have gotten a lot more in return hard to believe no team was willing to risk a lot more to get cousins. Pelicans future suddenly looks a lot brighter

[regularp]

Some of the comments in here read like they're straight out of bizarro world. Why on earth would the Pels NOT do this trade? They basically gave up Buddy Hield, a first and a second for DeMarcus Cousins. That is a ridiculous fleecing by New Orleans.

Even in a worst case scenario where Cousins and Davis don't mesh at all, they could still trade Cousins this summer or before the deadline next season and still get a better haul than they gave up for him (I see people saying he's a free agent this summer; he's not).

The biggest thing nobody has brought up in here is what the hell is Danny Ainge doing? He could have bested this poo-poo platter and still had plenty leftover to go after Jimmy Butler or Paul George. That guy is overrated as hell and seemingly asleep at the wheel.

[dasiegel]

I think this is aa good gamble for the Pelicans. They suck. So if Boogie bolts they have money and over time they will just have to delay the rebuild. But if it works out, a market that will rarely get a Boogie level talent will have created a young twin towers for years to come. Picks are never guaranteed and Tyreke is rarely healthy.

I also don't know why people are so quick to think Cousins is going back to Sac. If they start winning and make the playoffs and he is playing with a UK star and there is talk of Coach Cal coming on top of seeing what the playoffs feel like he might just realize what a disaster he was in. Forest from trees.

[rman112]

Edit - nevermind

[Cal27]

Wow, I did not see that coming. Perhaps the making of the best twin tower in the history. Now just add Russell Westbrook and you got yourself a super team!

[BBallCT]

Super front court with Jrue around, incredible

[JasonM32]

He would look so much better in a Lakers uniform

Please no. Dude is a cancer and he would never listen to Luke. I also wouldn't want him influencing our young players in the locker room.

He's a great talent but not a guy I'd want under any circumstances.

[Wolves4Life]

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Source w/reasons Pels got Boogie: Cs (too focussed on getting Butler), Orl (could've had him, balked) & Phx (Sac didn't want BKnight).

[blackandgold]

Some of the comments in here read like they're straight out of bizarro world. Why on earth would the Pels NOT do this trade? They basically gave up Buddy Hield, a first and a second for DeMarcus Cousins. That is a ridiculous fleecing by New Orleans.

Even in a worst case scenario where Cousins and Davis don't mesh at all, they could still trade Cousins this summer or before the deadline next season and still get a better haul than they gave up for him (I see people saying he's a free agent this summer; he's not).

The biggest thing nobody has brought up in here is what the hell is Danny Ainge doing? He could have bested this poo-poo platter and still had plenty leftover to go after Jimmy Butler or Paul George. That guy is overrated as hell and seemingly asleep at the wheel.

Agree 100% on your comments I'm sure the Pelicans hedged their bets on Cousins resigning also

[hanstess]

Hopefully Cousins comes back and signs with the Kings in the off-season. I don't like this deal at all...

[tennelson55]

No matter what you think of Cousins, the idea of watching him and AD is pretty exciting. They could bang the Warriors up in the 1st round.

get a grip man. look at the defensive matchups in the series. you've got mcgee vs cousins and durant vs davis. then you've got klay, steph, draymond and the bench vs holiday and trashhhh.
it won't be close, but at least it makes it watchable. i'm more interested in draymond vs cousins - the battle of emotions.

[volblorx8634]

Man, being a Kings fan gets harder and harder

[yiguiri2002]

What a move by the Pels. Giving up Hield and their first for Cousins? INSANE.

There's a little fact about Cousins that people forget: He's nowhere as whiny and crazy when he's winning. He was doing OK during the Malone era...and they fired him. And he's never, ever played with someone close as good as AD in his NBA career.

Also, the biggest problem the Pels had was that the team was basically AD, Holiday, Evans and a bunch of role players. With AD and Boogie (and their usage rate), the fact that they're surrounded by just role players can actually be good and not bad!

Holiday/AD/Boogie with other role players (Moore, Frazier, Jones) can work. Even if they don't make the playoffs, I can see the team ending the year close to .500 and Boogie resigning.

Also, Kings FO is making Bulls FO look decent. Stop it.

[Wolves4Life]

Hopefully Cousins comes back and signs with the Kings in the off-season. I don't like this deal at all...

Why would he go back to a team that lied to him?

[Cervantes]

This is interesting, but I don't think we can make a full judgement on this until Cousins has played some significant minutes there.

If he meshes with Davis, and maybe they can make some moves, even minor, this offseason to strengthen the team, it could be a HUGE win when he resigns.


If he doesn't resign...oops.

I'm actually kind of sad; I almost forgot that the Bulls have a horribly incompetent front office, too. Hopefully GarPax can work out a deal to send Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson, and their first round pick to Dallas for Pierre Jackson, Nicolas Brussino, and Salah Mejri.

Then my world will be back to normal.

[Cervantes]

Oh, by the way.

FU, Kings.

Now the Bulls won't get that damn draft pick.

[patchgenie]

this is a game changing deal for the pelicans. the pels should be able to knock the nuggets out of the 8 seed now and be a contender once they dump terrance jones for an additional SG probably.

[asujbl]

Not that it matters, as both guys are young for all intents and purposes, but it's crazy to me that Ben McLemore is only 10 months older than Buddy Hield. Just seems like he's been around forever.

[yiguiri2002]

Oh, by the way.

FU, Kings.

Now the Bulls won't get that damn draft pick.

We blew it by not trading them Pau. On the bright side, those are probably gonna be mid second rounders, and I have more faith in Ivika doing something with those that whatever GarPax does with mid first rounders.

[phdbeckett]

Tldr;
This has huge negative impacts on their fantasy values. Also I believe their card values...

[smalltown]

Wow. I can't believe that was the best deal they could get for Boogie. They should have waited until the offseason. I know teams are afraid of what he may do to a locker room, but still! Wow!

[smalltown]

The other potential impact of this and the ibaka trade is it sets a ceiling as to what teams are will to trade to get a star this deadline. I don't see the bulls moving butler or Indiana moving George for anything close to these packages.

[asujbl]

Interesting read

https://theringer.com/demarcus-cousins-trade-pelicans-kings-buddy-hield-693130376bb2#.vn4jqorc5

[Chris P]

I like the potential of this trade. In today's NBA "Superteam" Climate, you've just got to be willing to make deals like this if you are a team like the Pelicans. Will it work out? Maybe...maybe not...but it's well worth the risk. I dunno, I'm not really sold in Hield and I know it's a deep draft, but if the Pelicans either make the playoffs or barely miss the playoffs that pick would more than likely end up being in the latter half of the lottery. I'm not going as far as saying "oh man, Golden State better watch it" just yet, but anything that makes another team at least playoff relevant right now and has the possibility if things work out to make a new team championship relevant sooner than later is OK with me.

[pingbling23]

Is John wall next to NO?

[codered]

Hopefully Cousins comes back and signs with the Kings in the off-season. I don't like this deal at all...

He isn't a free agent until the end of next season. Unless he's traded he'll be in NO for this season and the next

[kyleuk21]

Great move for everyone involved. Kings get players and a solid pick as well as save a ton of cash. Pelicans become a legit team depending on guard play. Cousins is my favorite player and I'm very happy to see him play alongside two of his friends in AD and T Jones. I've said from the start that to put Cuz in a better winning environment with a better front office he will thrive. He won at UK and his attitude wasn't an issue while he was 18. I'd be frustrated too if I was stuck in Sacramento with that dumpster fire if so-called management.

[pnft17]

Great deal for NO!!!! Horrible trade for sac. Trading a bunch of
Ponies for a stud horse...you do that every time. Sac could have gotten such a better return just a brutal trade for them!!!

[hofcollector2]

Man, if only Greg Popovich had these big guys.

[hofcollector2]

I like the trade. The best senerio would be to finally see the big man dominate again, atleast for this one team. It's been too gaurd heavy lately. I just don't trust Gentry to know what to do with these guys yet....

[ordietrying99]

I like the trade. The best senerio would be to finally see the big man dominate again, atleast for this one team. It's been too gaurd heavy lately. I just don't trust Gentry to know what to do with these guys yet....
I think it really shows where Cauley- Stein is in his development that the Kings let Cousins and Draft Picks go. He is so young still. Blossoming big time coming into his frame.

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[justdagoodstuff]

If he stays it'll work out for the Pelicans, if he leaves they'll basically start off next season being the same team they were before the trade. Both of their numbers will go down a little for the rest of the season.

[asujbl]

If he stays it'll work out for the Pelicans, if he leaves they'll basically start off next season being the same team they were before the trade. Both of their numbers will go down a little for the rest of the season.

Again... he's not a Free Agent.

[justdagoodstuff]

Again... he's not a Free Agent.

I thought he was going to be.

[asujbl]

ESPN just did their 5 on 5 evaluation of the trade and absolutely destroyed the kings. Buried them, dug them up to kick them, and buried them again. Brutal

[Ottomatic]

I like the trade. The best senerio would be to finally see the big man dominate again, atleast for this one team. It's been too gaurd heavy lately. I just don't trust Gentry to know what to do with these guys yet....

I think Gentry is a great offensive mind, just didn't have any pieces.

[asujbl]

I thought he was going to be.

Not until 2018

[Spooks]

Great move for everyone involved. Kings get players and a solid pick as well as save a ton of cash. Pelicans become a legit team depending on guard play. Cousins is my favorite player and I'm very happy to see him play alongside two of his friends in AD and T Jones. I've said from the start that to put Cuz in a better winning environment with a better front office he will thrive. He won at UK and his attitude wasn't an issue while he was 18. I'd be frustrated too if I was stuck in Sacramento with that dumpster fire if so-called management.

They're looking to trade T Jones.

[asujbl]

Baxter Holmes ✔ @BaxterHolmes
Source familiar w/ Kings’ thinking: "Vivek thinks Buddy [Hield] has Steph Curry potential.” Am told that fixation was a key driver in deal.

[jcardstore]

Baxter Holmes ✔ @BaxterHolmes
Source familiar w/ Kings’ thinking: "Vivek thinks Buddy [Hield] has Steph Curry potential.” Am told that fixation was a key driver in deal.

steph curry potential lol... I hear Jimmer is looking for a job

[asujbl]

steph curry potential lol... I hear Jimmer is looking for a job

Sacramento Kings ✔ @SacramentoKings
"He shoots like Steph and he's big like Klay." - @Vivek
3:04 PM - 28 Jun 2014


And that was said, by the same owner, about Nik Stauskas

[jcardstore]

Sacramento Kings ✔ @SacramentoKings
"He shoots like Steph and he's big like Klay." - @Vivek
3:04 PM - 28 Jun 2014


And that was said, by the same owner, about Nik Stauskas

YOu have his phone #? I've got some great bridges to sell

[jcardstore]

Perfect example of why owners need to stay the hell out of personnel decisions.

[SDcardguy24]

lol Vlade saying they had a better offer on the table two days ago. Why even mention that?

[jcardstore]

lol Vlade saying they had a better offer on the table two days ago. Why even mention that?

The whole organization is a train wreck and has been for years. Not sure who is worse, them or the Knicks. Both owners are idiots.

Vlade probably said something because the dumb owner demanded they get Hield AKA Steph Jr

[no10pin]

lol Vlade saying they had a better offer on the table two days ago. Why even mention that?

I was reading that article just now. If he was looking for a way to look even worse than he did this morning, he suceeded.

All that flopping must have knocked something loose in his head.

[exoticprince]

I wanna see pelicans warriors in round 1

[tjforce]

I wanna see pelicans warriors in round 1

Realistic question... who gives the Warriors a tougher time in round 1, Pelicans or Nuggets?

(Neither will beat them, but could either sneak out a win or two?)

[the27guy]

Realistic question... who gives the Warriors a tougher time in round 1, Pelicans or Nuggets?

(Neither will beat them, but could either sneak out a win or two?)

Time will tell. Nobody knows right now. But if AD & cousins pairing can reach its potential - it's problematic for everyone.

[hanstess]

lol Vlade saying they had a better offer on the table two days ago. Why even mention that?

Just heard him on the local radio show here in Sacto. He said there was a deal offered to them but the other team pulled it off the table. The Kings did not turn down a better deal.

[tennelson55]

lol Vlade saying they had a better offer on the table two days ago. Why even mention that?

This x1000
It makes your organization look like a joke when you admit this punlically, nonetheless within your organization. Sadly it won't change - this is an organization function and it's bullcrap.

[mfw13]

Realistic question... who gives the Warriors a tougher time in round 1, Pelicans or Nuggets?

(Neither will beat them, but could either sneak out a win or two?)

Pelicans.

Don't read too much into the Nuggets blowout win over the Dubs a couple of weeks ago. The Warriors were coming off two tough back-to-back road wins in Memphis and OKC, missing four rotation players, and had to travel to Denver (at altitude) for their third game in four nights.

The real question is going to be how much synergy develops between Davis and Cousins, as well as how much effort Cousins puts in on defense. And how good is the Pelicans offense going to be with Jrue Holiday running the offense full-time.

[Steveefranchise]

Pelicans. AD plays VERY well against them and the new duo (if they can commingle) will cause a lot of problems for the Warriors. I'm not predicting an 8 over 1 upset but I believe it would be an extremely competitive series.

Realistic question... who gives the Warriors a tougher time in round 1, Pelicans or Nuggets?

(Neither will beat them, but could either sneak out a win or two?)

[BoxBreaker72]

I feel so bad for the few die hard SAC fans out there.

24 hours later and this is honestly one of the worst trades of all time.

And you KNOW the owner and GM are clowns after the info coming out today, so it won't get better anytime soon.

[codered]

lol Vlade saying they had a better offer on the table two days ago. Why even mention that?

Or he's hinting that this deal wasn't made because it's what he wanted, rather ownership. I took this as Vlade basically saying, "I'm not an idiot, I know we should have got more for boogie but this is what ownership wants"

[tingyangs6]

Yeah, Vlade sounds lost and unconfident today. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

[hanstess]

After analyzing this from every direction, only two things bug me...

1. Why did Vlade think he had to trade him right now?

2. Hield is going to be in this league for a long time but the last thing we needed was another SG. Bogdanovic is already slated to join the Kings next year and is another SG. Do they move him to SF?

I may be in the minority on this but until we see what they do in the next couple of days and in the draft, it is really pointless to make conclusions at this time.

[NeilCO]

Or he's hinting that this deal wasn't made because it's what he wanted, rather ownership. I took this as Vlade basically saying, "I'm not an idiot, I know we should have got more for boogie but this is what ownership wants"



Yeah, this was my interpretation, too.


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[bigcwd2000]

This is exciting. I am really looking forward to watching Cousins and Davis play together.

[GeechQuest]

I've been off the grid and just now saw this. WOW!!!

I know we're all thinking it, but I'll say it.

If the Pelicans grab that 8 seed the Warriors will lose in the 1st round. The Pelicans SHOULD be the perfect mismatch for the Warriors. They will force the Warriors out of their small ball lineup and hammer them on the glass. They kept Jrue as well who is slightly above average at point. The Pelicans just added 10-15 wins to their record.

This Kings FO must be filled with the most incompetent people ever. There must have been a power struggle over the direction of the franchise, and the smart side lost.

NO now has 2 top 10 players in the league with a lineup that nobody can truly defend. Currently on paper the top NBA teams are:

GSW
Spurs
Pelicans
Cleveland
Toronto (barely)
Boston (barely)

What was a 5 team tier just became a 6 team tier.

[regularp]

After analyzing this from every direction, only two things bug me...

1. Why did Vlade think he had to trade him right now?

2. Hield is going to be in this league for a long time but the last thing we needed was another SG. Bogdanovic is already slated to join the Kings next year and is another SG. Do they move him to SF?

I may be in the minority on this but until we see what they do in the next couple of days and in the draft, it is really pointless to make conclusions at this time.

If you really have faith in Sacramento's front office and are a fan of the team, I don't feel bad for you. Look at their draft history since they took Cousins.

2011: Took Jimmer Fredette one spot before Klay and five before Kawhi (it was a trade, but that's who they wanted).

2012: Took Thomas Robinson one spot before Lillard.

2013: Took Ben McLemore three spots before CJ McCollum and eight before Giannis.

2014: Took Stauskas five spots before Lavine (though in fairness, Cousins destroyed his confidence).

2015: Took WCS eight spots before Devin Booker, even though Cousins was already on the roster and they were about to sign Koufos.

They are the worst run team in the league right now.

[JustinVerlander07]

I've been off the grid and just now saw this. WOW!!!

I know we're all thinking it, but I'll say it.

If the Pelicans grab that 8 seed the Warriors will lose in the 1st round. The Pelicans SHOULD be the perfect mismatch for the Warriors. They will force the Warriors out of their small ball lineup and hammer them on the glass. They kept Jrue as well who is slightly above average at point. The Pelicans just added 10-15 wins to their record.

This Kings FO must be filled with the most incompetent people ever. There must have been a power struggle over the direction of the franchise, and the smart side lost.

NO now has 2 top 10 players in the league with a lineup that nobody can truly defend. Currently on paper the top NBA teams are:

GSW
Spurs
Pelicans
Cleveland
Toronto (barely)
Boston (barely)

What was a 5 team tier just became a 6 team tier.
Solid hot take, calling the Pelicans a top 3 team. LOL

[mc1]

I dont watch too many games or film of Kings games so I dont know how good this guy really is. Not sure if hes past the attitude problems/issues he seemed to have. Im not convinced if hes more than a guy that pads his stats on a mediocre team. Is he truly a player that a franchise can make the cornerstone? Kings didnt seem to think so.

Sure, The team is a wreck I guess but they never won much of anything with him. They did seem to be making some progress the last couple years but apparently they just didnt want to pay him and build around him. My point is, how good is he truly?

On the flipside, there is no guarantee the Pelicans even make the playoffs. We will see how well this team plays after this addition. Everyones loves giving hot takes and making bold predictions immediately. Its like giving a draft grade on draft night. Drafts and trades cannot be evaluated a day or two after they happen, obviously. It will be great to come back and read these comments in 6, 12 months.

[GeechQuest]

Solid hot take, calling the Pelicans a top 3 team. LOL

Top 6... but how could they not be?

In basketball you need a superstar (usually at least 2) to even have a chance to snag that trophy (or a player having a superstar/MVP caliber season).

The Pelicans just got 2 of the Top 10 players in the league. They just created a GIANT matchup problem for the best team in the West come the playoffs.

You're seeing a super team formed from the inside, and while I don't think it's enough to take the trophy it will be enough to take down the defending Western Conference Champions.

[hanstess]

If you really have faith in Sacramento's front office and are a fan of the team, I don't feel bad for you. Look at their draft history since they took Cousins.

2011: Took Jimmer Fredette one spot before Klay and five before Kawhi (it was a trade, but that's who they wanted).

2012: Took Thomas Robinson one spot before Lillard.

2013: Took Ben McLemore three spots before CJ McCollum and eight before Giannis.

2014: Took Stauskas five spots before Lavine (though in fairness, Cousins destroyed his confidence).

2015: Took WCS eight spots before Devin Booker, even though Cousins was already on the roster and they were about to sign Koufos.

They are the worst run team in the league right now.

All I can have is faith at this point. The 2015 pick is the only one the current front office was involved in and I will wait for year-3 to see the results. When the Warriors dealt Ellis, people lost their minds and look where the Warriors are at today.

[tennelson55]

I've been off the grid and just now saw this. WOW!!!

I know we're all thinking it, but I'll say it.

If the Pelicans grab that 8 seed the Warriors will lose in the 1st round. The Pelicans SHOULD be the perfect mismatch for the Warriors. They will force the Warriors out of their small ball lineup and hammer them on the glass. They kept Jrue as well who is slightly above average at point. The Pelicans just added 10-15 wins to their record.

This Kings FO must be filled with the most incompetent people ever. There must have been a power struggle over the direction of the franchise, and the smart side lost.

NO now has 2 top 10 players in the league with a lineup that nobody can truly defend. Currently on paper the top NBA teams are:

GSW
Spurs
Pelicans
Cleveland
Toronto (barely)
Boston (barely)

What was a 5 team tier just became a 6 team tier.

i actually think the 1v8 matchup of GSW vs NO would be a mismatch terribly for the kings.
pg steph vs holiday
sg klay vs ????
sf draymond vs hill
pf durant vs davis
c mcgee vs cousins

i hate that matchup for NO; you've got the most athletic big man in mcgee who can guard boogie and durant defending AD would be nice, especially when you've got a help defender in draymond coming to help out both of them.

[Cervantes]

BNOFcPUuEwM

[realreodeal]

i actually think the 1v8 matchup of GSW vs NO would be a mismatch terribly for the kings.
pg steph vs holiday
sg klay vs ????
sf draymond vs hill
pf durant vs davis
c mcgee vs cousins

i hate that matchup for NO; you've got the most athletic big man in mcgee who can guard boogie and durant defending AD would be nice, especially when you've got a help defender in draymond coming to help out both of them.

It would be a terrible mismatch with the Kings.

[COMCMax]

Lol, my morning laugh.

DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis having their first official meeting as teammates (https://twitter.com/NOTSportsCenter/status/833759510959357952)

[Cervantes]

Lol, my morning laugh.

DeMarcus Cousins and Anthony Davis having their first official meeting as teammates (https://twitter.com/NOTSportsCenter/status/833759510959357952)

lol, hilarious

I liked this one:

https://twitter.com/NOTNBATonight/status/833520337086246912

Also, the one about Steph playing defense like it's the Finals, lol.

[Boo]

If you really have faith in Sacramento's front office and are a fan of the team, I don't feel bad for you. Look at their draft history since they took Cousins.

2011: Took Jimmer Fredette one spot before Klay and five before Kawhi (it was a trade, but that's who they wanted).

2012: Took Thomas Robinson one spot before Lillard.

2013: Took Ben McLemore three spots before CJ McCollum and eight before Giannis.

2014: Took Stauskas five spots before Lavine (though in fairness, Cousins destroyed his confidence).

2015: Took WCS eight spots before Devin Booker, even though Cousins was already on the roster and they were about to sign Koufos.

They are the worst run team in the league right now.

Hey, Jimmer Fredette just dropped 73 in China the other night!

[jcardstore]

I've been off the grid and just now saw this. WOW!!!

I know we're all thinking it, but I'll say it.

If the Pelicans grab that 8 seed the Warriors will lose in the 1st round. The Pelicans SHOULD be the perfect mismatch for the Warriors. They will force the Warriors out of their small ball lineup and hammer them on the glass. They kept Jrue as well who is slightly above average at point. The Pelicans just added 10-15 wins to their record.

This Kings FO must be filled with the most incompetent people ever. There must have been a power struggle over the direction of the franchise, and the smart side lost.

NO now has 2 top 10 players in the league with a lineup that nobody can truly defend. Currently on paper the top NBA teams are:

GSW
Spurs
Pelicans
Cleveland
Toronto (barely)
Boston (barely)

What was a 5 team tier just became a 6 team tier.

I don't think the Warriors will lose in a 1st rd matchup with the Pelicans but it very well could go 6 games.

Think about it. The Warriors have struggled all year with dominant big men and they have nobody on the roster who can guard Davis or Cousins, let alone both of them.

Both Davis and Cousins are pretty good passers so they shouldn't really have any issues moving the ball around but NO is lacking 3pt shooters so they'll have to live in the paint.

Now here's the issue and the reason why NO won't beat the Warriors. They have no bench depth. Davis/Cousins each have to drop 30+ to beat the Warriors.

Another issue is going to be the Warriors small ball lineup. Let's say they put Durant/Green at 4/5 and have Iggy at the 3. You have Cousins on draymond which isn't really an issue but then you've got Davis on Durant. Davis isn't a great perimeter defender and definitely can't guard Durant.

The Pelicans are an interesting team and definitely cause some serious matchup problems with GSW but I just can't see them beating the Warriors

[jcardstore]

i actually think the 1v8 matchup of GSW vs NO would be a mismatch terribly for the kings.
pg steph vs holiday
sg klay vs ????
sf draymond vs hill
pf durant vs davis
c mcgee vs cousins

i hate that matchup for NO; you've got the most athletic big man in mcgee who can guard boogie and durant defending AD would be nice, especially when you've got a help defender in draymond coming to help out both of them.

Why in the world would they play draymond at the 3 and Durant at the 4 in that lineup :confused::confused::confused: I don't even think Draymond has played any 3 at all this year.

Plus there's no way in the world Durant can guard Davis and why would they put their best defender on a non-threat? Dray is the only guy on that team that has a chance of staying with Davis/Cousins. Let's not pretend McGee "the most athletic big man"... LOL, can guard Cousins.

[JustinVerlander07]

Top 6... but how could they not be?

In basketball you need a superstar (usually at least 2) to even have a chance to snag that trophy (or a player having a superstar/MVP caliber season).

The Pelicans just got 2 of the Top 10 players in the league. They just created a GIANT matchup problem for the best team in the West come the playoffs.

You're seeing a super team formed from the inside, and while I don't think it's enough to take the trophy it will be enough to take down the defending Western Conference Champions.

1 of the two 'superstars' (I wouldn't call Cousins that at all) doesn't play defense, they have an amazing front court, sure, but their backcourt besides Jrue? Meh. I'm not putting my stock into two bigs who while they space the floor, aren't all that awesome behind the 3 point line.

They're not beating the Warriors.

[JustinVerlander07]

Why in the world would they play draymond at the 3 and Durant at the 4 in that lineup :confused::confused::confused: I don't even think Draymond has played any 3 at all this year.

Plus there's no way in the world Durant can guard Davis and why would they put their best defender on a non-threat? Dray is the only guy on that team that has a chance of staying with Davis/Cousins. Let's not pretend McGee "the most athletic big man"... LOL, can guard Cousins.

Doing that to me seemed like him trying to force the 'matchup problem'. Anyone that watches the Warriors knows Draymond doesn't play any minutes at the 3.

[jcardstore]

Doing that to me seemed like him trying to force the 'matchup problem'. Anyone that watches the Warriors knows Draymond doesn't play any minutes at the 3.

right lol plus it makes absolutely no sense from a GSW perspective. Unless of course they want to waste him on Solomon Hill LOL yea the Warriors really have to worry about him lighting it up :doh:

[xavieronly1]

If you really have faith in Sacramento's front office and are a fan of the team, I don't feel bad for you. Look at their draft history since they took Cousins.

2011: Took Jimmer Fredette one spot before Klay and five before Kawhi (it was a trade, but that's who they wanted).

2012: Took Thomas Robinson one spot before Lillard.

2013: Took Ben McLemore three spots before CJ McCollum and eight before Giannis.

2014: Took Stauskas five spots before Lavine (though in fairness, Cousins destroyed his confidence).

2015: Took WCS eight spots before Devin Booker, even though Cousins was already on the roster and they were about to sign Koufos.

They are the worst run team in the league right now.

2011: Fredette and Klay were both top 10 in mock draft. However, Kawhi was not even near top 10.

2012: Thomas Robinson was a top 3 pick in mock draft. He was unstoppable in his last college year... only lost to AD

2013: McLemore was a top 5. Cavs took Bennett which bumped a lot of people down.

2015 was the only bad pick.

[volblorx8634]

2011: Fredette and Klay were both top 10 in mock draft. However, Kawhi was not even near top 10.

2012: Thomas Robinson was a top 3 pick in mock draft. He was unstoppable in his last college year... only lost to AD

2013: McLemore was a top 5. Cavs took Bennett which bumped a lot of people down.

2015 was the only bad pick.

For me it was just their choices of drafted positions. Why take Thomas Robinson when you already have your franchise center? Okay fine, huge prospected talent. But then why draft Stauskas when you had already invested in McLemore the year before? Why take WCS if you had Cousins already? And if you were planning to move Cousins, why not do it a year or two ago when Cousins has more time on his contract and you can get more in return?

All their moves just seem disjointed and without direction. I mean just the fact that they put themselves in the position where if they get anything lower than the 10th pick, it goes to Chicago, but if they get a high pick, Philly has the right to swap picks. It literally makes their season aimless: they lose their pick if they tank or if they fight for playoffs. Now they decide to change their culture after signing Barnes, Lawson, Tolliver? Why wasn't this the plan over the offseason? You've wasted 2/3 of the season playing for the playoffs when you could've been developing WCS, rookies, McLemore, Malachi, etc.

They're literally in no man's land. I get the trade, and I understand that they wanted to trade Cousins and commit to being terrible and going into full rebuild mode, but the way they did it was so misguided and all the decisions they've made in the past 2-3 years have had no cohesiveness.

[volblorx8634]

And no way the Pels beat the Warriors in the 1st round. I would love to see it happen because I want to see Cousins succeed, but there's no way. Honestly, there's a chance they don't even gel enough to make playoffs, not to mention take out an historic team in a 7 game series. Adding a guy like Cousins is not a seamless, easy task.

[yiguiri2002]

2011: Fredette and Klay were both top 10 in mock draft. However, Kawhi was not even near top 10.

2012: Thomas Robinson was a top 3 pick in mock draft. He was unstoppable in his last college year... only lost to AD

2013: McLemore was a top 5. Cavs took Bennett which bumped a lot of people down.

2015 was the only bad pick.

I'm the complete opposite. Booker so far has shown he's a good shooter, decent scorer...and nothing else. Can't play D and doesn't help in many other areas.

WCS plays NBA defense and doesn't do much in offense. But this early in their careers, it can't be considered a bad pick. Specially when all advanced metrics have WCS ahead of Booker right now.

[jcardstore]

I'm the complete opposite. Booker so far has shown he's a good shooter, decent scorer...and nothing else. Can't play D and doesn't help in many other areas.

WCS plays NBA defense and doesn't do much in offense. But this early in their careers, it can't be considered a bad pick. Specially when all advanced metrics have WCS ahead of Booker right now.

You can't do a straight up comparison between a SG getting 35MPG and a C getting 13MPG lol

[Kenflin]

2011: Fredette and Klay were both top 10 in mock draft. However, Kawhi was not even near top 10.

2012: Thomas Robinson was a top 3 pick in mock draft. He was unstoppable in his last college year... only lost to AD

2013: McLemore was a top 5. Cavs took Bennett which bumped a lot of people down.

2015 was the only bad pick.

I agree. It's funny how revisionist history plays out. NO ONE thought Klay or Kawhi would become superstars. The 2013 draft was a complete crapshoot.

[yiguiri2002]

You can't do a straight up comparison between a SG getting 35MPG and a C getting 13MPG lol

That's part of the point. WCS is a backup who is semi productive on limited minutes. Booker is a shooter playing big minutes and scoring a lot without doing anything else.

It's way too early to think that was a bad pick. Booker can end up being Klay Thompson Lite...or Kevin Martin Lite.

[Kenflin]

I might be one of the only people who don't have a problem with what the Kings did. They weren't going anywhere with Cousins on the roster. He butted heads with EVERYONE. He didn't want to commit after this contract. The Kings had a better offer on the table a few days ago which Vlade basically said his agents sabotaged. I think they reached the point where they just wanted to make the best deal to get away from that headache.

This draft is SUPPOSED to be deep, so picking up a possible lottery pick and a second round pick isn't that bad. If they hit big on that pick, people aren't going to be complaining. I'm not necessarily impressed with the players they are bringing back from the trade but I understand. Sacramento isn't a free agent destination, so no one was really willing to sign on with them anyways. I'm glad both parties finally moved on.

[mfw13]

The problems the Pelicans would have against the Warriors is the fact that they don't have enough other threats. The Warriors will just collapse the defense and double-team both Davis and Cousins when they get the ball, and dare other Pelicans to beat them. The Warriors guards are very good at swiping the ball from bigs dribbling in the paint...

[xavieronly1]

I'm the complete opposite. Booker so far has shown he's a good shooter, decent scorer...and nothing else. Can't play D and doesn't help in many other areas.

WCS plays NBA defense and doesn't do much in offense. But this early in their careers, it can't be considered a bad pick. Specially when all advanced metrics have WCS ahead of Booker right now.

It was bad because WCS was like 12-16 spot in mock draft. Kings picked him at 6th. Kings could trade down the pick and could get a free 2nd rounder. Kings valued WCS too high and the reward is still not showing.

And I did not say/agree that Kings should pick Booker. Booker was not a top 5 pick during the draft. Suns picked Booker at the right spot. No other team value Booker higher.

[Ottomatic]

I think WCS and Skal will both be rotational bigs, one should be a quality starter. Malachi Richardson can be pretty solid IMO. Don't hate what they've done in the draft the last two years. Will have two top 15 picks this year, so they're not hopeless.

[xavieronly1]

I might be one of the only people who don't have a problem with what the Kings did. They weren't going anywhere with Cousins on the roster. He butted heads with EVERYONE. He didn't want to commit after this contract. The Kings had a better offer on the table a few days ago which Vlade basically said his agents sabotaged. I think they reached the point where they just wanted to make the best deal to get away from that headache.

This draft is SUPPOSED to be deep, so picking up a possible lottery pick and a second round pick isn't that bad. If they hit big on that pick, people aren't going to be complaining. I'm not necessarily impressed with the players they are bringing back from the trade but I understand. Sacramento isn't a free agent destination, so no one was really willing to sign on with them anyways. I'm glad both parties finally moved on.

I agree. Kings did not have much choice on dealing with Cousins. He is just that much of trouble. It is something that you took many years to fix, but it still couldn't work.

Also, I feel like Cousins had no problem playing in a loser team. He even expected Kings to pay him $200 mil because he felt like Kings had no choice to let him go. Unlike PG13, he clearly stated that he will move on if Pacers does not improve. He is ok to take less money to play in a winning team. Cousins is not like that.

[volblorx8634]

I might be one of the only people who don't have a problem with what the Kings did. They weren't going anywhere with Cousins on the roster. He butted heads with EVERYONE. He didn't want to commit after this contract. The Kings had a better offer on the table a few days ago which Vlade basically said his agents sabotaged. I think they reached the point where they just wanted to make the best deal to get away from that headache.

This draft is SUPPOSED to be deep, so picking up a possible lottery pick and a second round pick isn't that bad. If they hit big on that pick, people aren't going to be complaining. I'm not necessarily impressed with the players they are bringing back from the trade but I understand. Sacramento isn't a free agent destination, so no one was really willing to sign on with them anyways. I'm glad both parties finally moved on.

My issue is just that their decisions the last few years are so inconsistent. They have no vision. If you want to be rid of Cousins, fine. But don't make veteran signings, get rid of your young players (Stauskas, Curry, Thomas), trade away picks in an attempt to push for playoffs and then all of a sudden trade away your biggest bargaining chip at a point when he has arguably the least amount of value he's ever had for little in return.

Their lack of a clear direction has left the team decimated with no great positioning in this draft. Why is that? Because if they don't make playoffs and land a nice pick, Philly will just take it from them.

[Kenflin]

I agree. Kings did not have much choice on dealing with Cousins. He is just that much of trouble. It is something that you took many years to fix, but it still couldn't work.

Also, I feel like Cousins had no problem playing in a loser team. He even expected Kings to pay him $200 mil because he felt like Kings had no choice to let him go. Unlike PG13, he clearly stated that he will move on if Pacers does not improve. He is ok to take less money to play in a winning team. Cousins is not like that.

I agree, but I can't say that Cousins doesn't want to play for a winner or be a winner.


My issue is just that their decisions the last few years are so inconsistent. They have no vision. If you want to be rid of Cousins, fine. But don't make veteran signings, get rid of your young players (Stauskas, Curry, Thomas), trade away picks in an attempt to push for playoffs and then all of a sudden trade away your biggest bargaining chip at a point when he has arguably the least amount of value he's ever had for little in return.

Their lack of a clear direction has left the team decimated with no great positioning in this draft. Why is that? Because if they don't make playoffs and land a nice pick, Philly will just take it from them.

I see your point, but to be fair, Stauskas and Curry aren't really worth losing sleep over. Also, no one saw Thomas' star rising this high. I agree that they haven't made the best decisions over the years, but I do believe that its best that both parties moved on from each other. That franchise was going nowhere fast, so I can see the reasoning for blowing everything up. On the flip side, even if they would've gotten another 1st round pick and possibly one better player added instead of say, Evans, people would still say that they didn't get enough.

[asujbl]

This might have already been posted... but I find it interesting.

Player A - 89 of 241 on 3 pointers (36.9%) on an average of 4.2 attempts per game
Player B - 95 of 267 on 3 points (35.6%) on an average of 4.9 attempts per game.

Why do I find it funny? I have no idea... Player A, which is Hield, plays less minutes and takes less shots so of course he has less makes. It makes sense. Something about the 7 footer though having more 3 pointers this year in total then the "next Steph Curry" according the Kings owner makes me laugh.

Carry on and God bless.

[Steveefranchise]

See previous posts about why the Kings FO says Thomas Robinson didn't pan out. After drafting him they found out he was extremely undersized for the position.

Take one step back... and think about that.

After investing the #3 overall pick in Thomas Robinson. They found out he was undersized.



I agree. It's funny how revisionist history plays out. NO ONE thought Klay or Kawhi would become superstars. The 2013 draft was a complete crapshoot.

[Steveefranchise]

I see your point, but to be fair, Stauskas and Curry aren't really worth losing sleep over. Also, no one saw Thomas' star rising this high. I agree that they haven't made the best decisions over the years, but I do believe that its best that both parties moved on from each other. That franchise was going nowhere fast, so I can see the reasoning for blowing everything up. On the flip side, even if they would've gotten another 1st round pick and possibly one better player added instead of say, Evans, people would still say that they didn't get enough.

IT started the majority of his contract year in SAC. Did the same exact thing he does in Boston but was the #2 option instead of a #1. Stauskas is worth losing sleep over not because of where they drafted him but because of how they immediately panicked and bailed after he wasn't Klay2 and got swindled by the 76ers.

Fool me once - Shame on you
Fool me twice - Shame on me
Can't be getting fooled anymore - GWB
Buddy Hield!!!! - Sacramento

[Kenflin]

See previous posts about why the Kings FO says Thomas Robinson didn't pan out. After drafting him they found out he was extremely undersized for the position.

Take one step back... and think about that.

After investing the #3 overall pick in Thomas Robinson. They found out he was undersized.

What I do remember about Thomas Robinson was how he was a beast during his last year in college. I also remember how he was the feel good story during the draft because of him taking care of his sister. Which a lot of people thought that's why he played above his height. It's kinda impossible to believe that the Kings didn't know his height before drafting him. I even knew he was slightly undersized during that timeframe. That doesn't mean that he was destined to fail.

[Kenflin]

IT started the majority of his contract year in SAC. Did the same exact thing he does in Boston but was the #2 option instead of a #1. Stauskas is worth losing sleep over not because of where they drafted him but because of how they immediately panicked and bailed after he wasn't Klay2 and got swindled by the 76ers.

Fool me once - Shame on you
Fool me twice - Shame on me
Can't be getting fooled anymore - GWB
Buddy Hield!!!! - Sacramento

Ok you win lol.

[rman112]

Boogie looks like he's tried every jambalaya in Norleans