Does removing the seal from a Panini-encased card decrease the value?

[Tones]

I have wondered this question for a while and I am sure others have as well. Panini have been actively using this system since the release of flawless, and has now spread to other products such as Honors as well as their high end redemptions that come in mags. Topps has al;so been doing this for their Dynasty baseball product

Personally a card is a card and the case it is in should not effect the value of it but others seem to think else. It is not like these cards are virtually 'flawless' if they are in these cases because we see time and time again that is not true with grading results.

[Grid]

If a card is not in the same state as it was when it left the factory, it should be worth less.

If I started busting cards out of their Honors cases it would certainly derail their value.

If it was meant to be encased, it should stay encased. If it was a standard redemption that just ended up in a mag holder with their sticker, it doesnt matter much.

But even having one of those left alone should increase the value, since it proves it was not touched by many hands.

There was a big thread maybe a year ago where someone traded a Flawless card but shipped it out of the case. They pretty much cut the value of it in half.

Ask yourself this, does leaving it in a case increase the value? Maybe.
Does breaking the seal and pulling it our increase the value? Never.

[twisty571]

I voted yes only for the reason the sealed card hasn't been handled by the public yet so one would think you would have a better chance of getting a good grade with the sealed card compared to one that has been handled by the public.

[Tones]

Does breaking the seal and pulling it our increase the value? Never.
but if it is a rookie and it came back a bgs 9.5 it would increase the value...

[trixstar]

Technically I would say no because if you break it out and get it graded 9.5 or 10 you're probably going to get more money out of it. i personally don't buy or like cards that were encased then broken from that case. Just leaves too many questions on if it was tampered with, even if it does get past BGS.

[BlowoutBuzz]

My feel is that if it has been graded then no. But if you remove it from case it should have been in then people might wonder what might be altered or damaged -- which can hurt the resale potential.

[ucLAkers]

I didnt vote only because I dont collect Panini anymore. But I was a big Topps uncirculated and eTopps collector and if they were removed I know the value was drastically decreased unless they went to BGS while still encased. Just from 1 case to another. JMO

[Grid]

but if it is a rookie and it came back a bgs 9.5 it would increase the value...

That was not your question. You didn't ask "Does breaking a card out of a sealed encased holder, AND THEN having it grade Gem mint, effect the value"

You asked if taking it out decreased its value. To that point, yes it does.

If you are changing the question, only a Gem, Pristine or black label might increase its value over being in a case. A 9 or lower would only hurt it that much more.

[BGT Masters]

Yes, I would think it does, but not as much as removing an autograph sticker from one card and replacing it with another.

[Branesergen]

I think the product sticker makes a difference, honors/encased. If it's just a random "this was a redemption or high end product" sticker than no. Of course this, like every aspect of card collecting, is going to vary by person and there will never be a right or wrong answer. What decreases value to you may not/won't to the next person.

[deansayso]

Yes, I would think it does, but not as much as removing an autograph sticker from one card and replacing it with another.

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[BoJackCards]

Doesn't matter to me if it's a redemption card. If it's the Honor's card then it does matter.

[Bassplayah101]

If a card is not in the same state as it was when it left the factory, it should be worth less.

If I started busting cards out of their Honors cases it would certainly derail their value.

If it was meant to be encased, it should stay encased. If it was a standard redemption that just ended up in a mag holder with their sticker, it doesnt matter much.

But even having one of those left alone should increase the value, since it proves it was not touched by many hands.

There was a big thread maybe a year ago where someone traded a Flawless card but shipped it out of the case. They pretty much cut the value of it in half.

Ask yourself this, does leaving it in a case increase the value? Maybe.
Does breaking the seal and pulling it our increase the value? Never.


This.

Think of it like an uncirculated coin from the mint.
If I cracked the case, and took the coin out, it would immediately derail the value.

[pgisback]

Yes, I would think it does, but not as much as removing an autograph sticker from one card and replacing it with another.

Hahaha, that's a good one. That thread was hilarious.

[mhcook]

If it is from a set that comes out of the pack encased and sealed then it is a big deal. I don't agree that going from that sealed case to a BGS 9.5 always helps.

The example in my mind is the Topps Dynasty and I am working on the set of McGwire /10 and I won't buy one that I am missing if it is out of the original case, I don't care if it is a BGS 10 I'm not buying it. This opinion is from someone with a BGS addiction because all of my other McGwire autos are in BGS cases.

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[rcearley]

If it is from a set that comes out of the pack encased and sealed then it is a big deal. I don't agree that going from that sealed case to a BGS 9.5 always helps.

The example in my mind is the Topps Dynasty and I am working on the set of McGwire /10 and I won't buy one that I am missing if it is out of the original case, I don't care if it is a BGS 10 I'm not buying it. This opinion is from someone with a BGS addiction because all of my other McGwire autos are in BGS cases.

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I have the same BGS addiction as you and also collect Dynasty. I prefer mine graded by BGS as it provides more protection than the cheap plastic sealed case they are in. Also, they are very loose in the case and it's easy to drop and damage the card inside the case. I would rather have them in a nice BGS Slab than in a cheap plastic case with an ugly sticker. That's my opinion.

[RogerGodahell]

Depends on the card and the product imo. I know like contenders they send out some of the redemptions with panini stickers on the mags and some aren't. I don't think that really matters too much. But like flawless for some reason that seems like it would be better left in the original mag because it was shipped in the boxes/case that way. That's how it was intended to be if that makes any sense. I don't know if it really affects their value though especially if they're graded.

[Archangel1775]

If its Tom Brady,leave it encased

[BamBam20]

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When it arrives like this, I say take it out. Apparently the case is not tight enough to secure the card in place :/

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[21Pittsburgh58]

Doesn't really matter IF the buyer never knew it was a sealed/encased card to begin with. It might put off the people who do know, but for the most part, I think someone would pay as much as they would if kept 'sealed'.

[KB81]

I voted Yes

I got this from flawless the other day and will be sending it out to BGS as is. They can keep the one touch as a gift :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/oswkid/Cards/49EC868A-4347-42AF-97F2-A1C6323F45B2_zps9ei4h21t.jpg

[StickerAutoSuck]

I've got a couple sealed flawless where the one-touch was totally abused by the previous owner/breaker... scratches all over the damn front and back to the point it's an eyesore. I've pondered putting it in a new one-touch to alleviate the pain of looking at it through broken glass but wondered if I'd kill the value if I ever go to sell it.

I guess you have to weigh if you're keeping it or ever planning to sell it. Good discussion point.

[pnft17]

Will only buy if it's still in sealed holder it came in.

[wheeler281]

I vote yes only for Panini Honors regardless if graded and yes for flawless unless graded.

Redemption's were not always sent in a Panini sealed case. I got a Bell ice in a top loader then redeemed one a year later and got it in a sealed case. . If its roached I wont buy unless panini comes out with an honors recasing service

Yes, I would think it does, but not as much as removing an autograph sticker from one card and replacing it with another.

so you are saying there is no value here :D

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