Investment Opinions??

[fact81]

Greetings all:).
I must admit, I have slowed down considerably in Football Card collecting/purchasing/trading. I guess that happens with a wife & looking for a house:). No kids yet lol.

I was just wondering the opinions of all of these great minds in Sportscard collecting what the best unopened boxes to invest in would be:

For example: I have these unopened wax boxes in my collection(definitely not cracking them open)

2000 Fleer Showcase Hobby Box(x2) (Brady)
2000 Fleer Metal Hobby Box (Brady)
2000 Quantum Leaf Hobby Box(Brady)
2000 Pacific Hobby Box(Brady)
1984 Topps Football Hobby Box(Elway, Marino, Dickerson RCS)
1989 Score Football Hobby Box(B.Sanders, D.Sanders,Aikman RCS)
1983 Topps Football Hobby Box(Singletary RC)
1987 Topps Football Box(Forget who is in this for RCS)
2004 UD Reflections Football Hobby Box(Big Ben, Eli, Rivers RCS)
Bunch of 2001 Boxes(Brees, Vick, Tomlinson)

My question is, in 20-25 years, which boxes do you think will be the most sought after/$$$. Vintage has been hot for years, but seems to have died down a smidge over the past month. My thought is that the 2000 boxes with Tom Brady Rookie potential might be even better than an 1984 Topps Football Box.

Thoughts & opinions welcome:)

Thanks a ton!

Rob H

[ssbledsoe]

The prices on '84 wax have gone crazy in the last few years. I bought a box of 84 from BBCEX for a little over $400 like 4 years ago. Now they're listing boxes at $1,350. They've more than tripled in price.

[fact81]

ssbledsoe - Indeed! I bought a box of 1984 topps(I think from dave & adams) for $600.

I just feel Tom Brady is most likely going down right now as the best QB of all time(possibly even best player of all time). Just getting a feeling 2000 boxes in 20 years are gonna worth a ton! I could be wrong!

[cedar rapids]

84' is a good one. But as much as I hate Tom Brady, he is going to be the most expensive, sought after player in the hobby for years. Buying any year 2000 box right now is a guaranteed profit as a med to long term investment. Cheers.

[ssbledsoe]

ssbledsoe - Indeed! I bought a box of 1984 topps(I think from dave & adams) for $600.

I just feel Tom Brady is most likely going down right now as the best QB of all time(possibly even best player of all time). Just getting a feeling 2000 boxes in 20 years are gonna worth a ton! I could be wrong!

84' is a good one. But as much as I hate Tom Brady, he is going to be the most expensive, sought after player in the hobby for years. Buying any year 2000 box right now is a guaranteed profit as a med to long term investment. Cheers.

As a Pats fan, I agree with a lot that has been said. My only apprehension is that Brady has 2 really "iconic" RC's (Contenders/SPA). Dickerson, Elway, Marino, etc only have 1 rookie. The 1984 set has 11 (ELEVEN?!?!?!) HOFers. That set, to me, is epic and hard to top IMO. I know none of those guys are Brady, but I think a lot of guys would rather pull their own (Marino, Elway, Dickerson, etc) than pull a non-iconic Brady.

[fact81]

Any other opinions?

[RogerGodahell]

Any year that has a quarterback with a big following like Peyton, Brady. I would think 2005 would be good with Aaron Rodgers. I don't know if id dare to go beyond that year at this point. Maybe 2012 would be a strong candidate with Luck and Wilson. What products? Contenders and chrome would probably be the most popular. With Aaron Rodgers upper deck but some of that stuff is already very pricey. Id also consider 2001 for Brees stuff.

[RogerGodahell]

Just think of years with sure fire hall or famers, all time greats. Brady, Manning, Elway, Montana, Marino, Brees, and anyone else i missed. Not really good players that will make the HOF...but the best.

[Grid]

I just can't see sealed boxes from the "graded" Era having the same steam as current vintage. Boxes of 1984 were ripped, cards were kept in rubber bands. If you want high grade now you have to buy a box, or pay for one graded.

Brady sells well, Brady sold well 2 years removed from his rookie year. So those key singles were well kept, unlike countless Marinos or Elways from 84.

Will sealed 2000 go up? Sure. But not at the rate of a 10.00 box of 1984 (what it costs at the time).

[MFaulkCollector]

I just can't see sealed boxes from the "graded" Era having the same steam as current vintage. Boxes of 1984 were ripped, cards were kept in rubber bands. If you want high grade now you have to buy a box, or pay for one graded.

Brady sells well, Brady sold well 2 years removed from his rookie year. So those key singles were well kept, unlike countless Marinos or Elways from 84.

Will sealed 2000 go up? Sure. But not at the rate of a 10.00 box of 1984 (what it costs at the time).

This is really the only answer to the original question.

The whole premise to the question lies on one factor; condition. Brady's are and will forever be in top notch graded holders. Every RC has a bunch of examples at the top end and countless 9's. There is no shortage of them, they are just expensive and the value on them will go down. Every modern player has their top stuff increase in value and lesser desired items fall by the wayside to a certain extent. Even if Brady has 10 different rookies that stay at current value, that is not rising and the boxes won't rise unless the potential singles from it are rising....... Contenders, SPA... sure............. but most other items will be worth less in 3 years than they are when he retires.

The 84 items in gem are difficult to find, and as mentioned above were in rubber bands; probably glove boxes and everywhere else.... their borders are often diamond cut or way off center. Graded cards from this year will continue to rise due to scarcity if nothing else... plus double digit HOF's is a huge plus.

Buy 84 wax for investment..... buy the already graded Brady for investment..... but I don't see how the 2000 wax would ever be a really good investment outside of a handful of brands

[Grid]

Looking at your list, here are my only concerns with long term holds:

1984 Topps Football Hobby Box(Elway, Marino, Dickerson RCS)
1989 Score Football Hobby Box(B.Sanders, D.Sanders,Aikman RCS)
1983 Topps Football Hobby Box(Singletary RC)
1987 Topps Football Box(Forget who is in this for RCS)

With the above, you only have to worry about the stray gum stains on one of the Topps cards per pack, and the printing/cutting techniques of the era. Both issue are wildly know and the value of a sealed box will always reflect this. Good long term hold prospects if you bought smart.

2000 Fleer Showcase Hobby Box(x2) (Brady)
2000 Fleer Metal Hobby Box (Brady)
2000 Quantum Leaf Hobby Box(Brady)
2000 Pacific Hobby Box(Brady)
2004 UD Reflections Football Hobby Box(Big Ben, Eli, Rivers RCS)
Bunch of 2001 Boxes(Brees, Vick, Tomlinson)

With the above modern boxes, you have to take into account modern card stock. With glossy finishes on some, these cards can "gel" together the longer they sit. This is an obvious concern, I cant tell you how many times I busted a box from 10-15 years ago and each pack produced a mini brick of cards stuck together. With the clay stock of older sets, this is not an issue.

Plus the value in these modern boxes is tied to the mem/auto content that might be in there. If that hit is a redemption, and that's obviously expired 20 years from now (35 years removed from the original date) that would have to be taken into consideration.

If the main hits, like Brady, were always inserted live the effect is minimal, but still there.

A good example is Panini making good on expired redemptions from the old DLP company they bought. You might not get the same card, but you will usually get something. Thats the deal they have right now. Will that deal be there 15 years down the road? Who knows.

Just some things to consider when trying to gauge the value of "modern" vintage sealed wax.

[BamBam20]

If you are looking for an investment perhaps a Roth IRA with a low cost mutual fund! Even at conservative 7% growth your money will OCTUPLE in 30 years (equivalent to a $500 box selling for $4,000 in thirty years.) The chance of finding a box or card that will do that is slim to none. Collect for fun!

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[Grid]

If you are looking for an investment perhaps a Roth IRA with a low cost mutual fund! Even at conservative 7% growth your money will OCTUPLE in 30 years (equivalent to a $500 box selling for $4,000 in thirty years.) The chance of finding a box or card that will do that is slim to none. Collect for fun!

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I make too much money for a Roth IRA. Even if I convert some of the dough in my IRA over to a Roth IRA I wouldn't want to pay the taxes upfront to do so.

Looking for investments outside of holding/hedging your own dollars are appealing to many people. I see nothing wrong with enjoying a hobby as well as looking at the investment angle of such.

Maybe OP wants to sell his boxes in 3-5 years to realize his investment sooner. Maybe something happens that drives up the value of these boxes sooner. In that instance, his short term might be a better investment and easier to realize than your 30 year plan.

[fact81]

I just have lost interest in purchasing/ripping packs. I remember when Game Used cards first came out. 1996 Upperdeck had Jerseys & Collectors Edge Advantage had Gameballs. They were so popular & amazing to an average collector. Now in 2017, Panini has what, 15-20 Products that are mass produced with thousands of crappy Rooie Premiere Materials from players wrist bands, tee shirts, caps, ear plugs & other crap. It has just gotten ridiculous. I still watch people bust product & enjoy reading the different threads, but buying newer product that is overpriced, mass produced & yield you an Undrafted rookie auto limited to /10 doesn't appeal to me. Buying & investing in the early stuff is more fun to me:)

I would rather hang onto boxes I paid a couple hundred beans for & see what they are worth in 20 years. Maybe I can use them to pay my kids college tuition, take my wife on a nice vacation or pass them down to my kids. Who knows?

[BamBam20]

Maybe OP wants to sell his boxes in 3-5 years to realize his investment sooner. Maybe something happens that drives up the value of these boxes sooner. In that instance, his short term might be a better investment and easier to realize than your 30 year plan.

Read the post, his question is 20-25 years...so that's why I said 30. There is definitely opportunity to flip and make some money in cards but IMO there are better long term "investment" opportunities.

OP, question just popped in my head, I'm curious if you store these boxes a special way or hold insurance on them since they are fairly valuable?

[BamBam20]

I just have lost interest in purchasing/ripping packs. I remember when Game Used cards first came out. 1996 Upperdeck had Jerseys & Collectors Edge Advantage had Gameballs. They were so popular & amazing to an average collector. Now in 2017, Panini has what, 15-20 Products that are mass produced with thousands of crappy Rooie Premiere Materials from players wrist bands, tee shirts, caps, ear plugs & other crap. It has just gotten ridiculous. I still watch people bust product & enjoy reading the different threads, but buying newer product that is overpriced, mass produced & yield you an Undrafted rookie auto limited to /10 doesn't appeal to me. Buying & investing in the early stuff is more fun to me:)

I would rather hang onto boxes I paid a couple hundred beans for & see what they are worth in 20 years. Maybe I can use them to pay my kids college tuition, take my wife on a nice vacation or pass them down to my kids. Who knows?

I agree, the new stuff just isn't as appealing as the older stuff! Go Lions!

[fact81]

I have them secured in a temperature controlled environment & encased in a bin. I can't say I have ever thought about insurance for them. Although over time(hmmm, maybe).

I think the 1 thing that will NEVER change in this hobby is potential to pull that "big card" unless it is listed somewhere on ebay or another traders site. IE: When was the last time you saw a perfect BGS 10 Marino Rookie or Elway Rookie. Without looking at the registry, I am willing to bet there are VERY few(if any). So the chance of opening a sealed hobby box with this potential card in it, people over time are going to pay whatever it takes. With the year 2000, Tom Brady is the Michael Jordan of Football & even though he has more Rookie cards than Jordan does(1986 Fleer), people will STILL continue to pay whatever it takes to acquire 1 or at least a chance to hit one in a box of 2000 product.

What will these boxes be worth in 25 years? No idea, maybe 1K, maybe 3K, maybe 200 bucks. No idea

[RogerGodahell]

I have to disagree to a certain extent to some of the stuff mentioned above. The early Contenders were very condition sensitive. You aren't going to find endless BGS 9's. Not unless you consider 250 Brady's endless. And SP Authentic there were only 1250 made. That's a limited quantity. Sure the lesser brands probably had more as far as quantity and are valued less rightfully so.

If you want to talk about mass produced that was Topps in the 80's. There's ten's of thousands of Marino, Elway and Montana's out there floating around. Those cards aren't rare at all. Sure the best conditioned ones might be but those were probably opened 20 years later and put directly in a penny sleeve and top loader just like modern cards.

[Grid]

Read the post, his question is 20-25 years...so that's why I said 30. There is definitely opportunity to flip and make some money in cards but IMO there are better long term "investment" opportunities.

OP, question just popped in my head, I'm curious if you store these boxes a special way or hold insurance on them since they are fairly valuable?

I did read his post, you are the one than spun his question on wax investing with IRA's LOL. I was only pointing out that an IRA is a long term play, he will have to sit out those 30 years to get the returns you spoke of.

Investing in wax, no matter how tricky, might have short term swings that can be realized immediately.

[Grid]

I have them secured in a temperature controlled environment & encased in a bin. I can't say I have ever thought about insurance for them. Although over time(hmmm, maybe).


The above is the general problem with modern wax. You might have kept them sealed in a bin for the length you own them. But no way to know if they were sitting in the basement of some distributor for a decade before you got them. Or in the garage of another collector before that.

Anyone who would buy these boxes in the future would have to assume as much on the condition they might be in. Its not like we are talking about cello packs sadly. So that will still play into their value down the road. The "what if they are stuck together" situation to a potential buyer.

I have to disagree to a certain extent to some of the stuff mentioned above. The early Contenders were very condition sensitive. You aren't going to find endless BGS 9's. Not unless you consider 250 Brady's endless. And SP Authentic there were only 1250 made. That's a limited quantity. Sure the lesser brands probably had more as far as quantity and are valued less rightfully so.

If you want to talk about mass produced that was Topps in the 80's. There's ten's of thousands of Marino, Elway and Montana's out there floating around. Those cards aren't rare at all. Sure the best conditioned ones might be but those were probably opened 20 years later and put directly in a penny sleeve and top loader just like modern cards.

It seems like you are actually agreeing. If modern wax, like Contenders, was a hard grade right from the box 15 years ago, what makes anyone think they would be in better condition 30 years after that? Modern cards will break down faster than true vintage in a pack.

As for your second point, you are agreeing that the value in true vintage is the means to get high grade. And thats why those boxes are worth so much more now. If you want that Gem Mint Marino, you almost have to take a shot at a sealed box. And that shot costs a lot of money due to the potential payout. Since busting old wax is the primary way to find high grade worthy raw.

[usafshelland]

I like 1984 (Elway / Marino)...1986 (Jerry Rice)...granted I think those prices with anyone retired and in the HOF are stabilized now. If I was hoping for ROI, then I would expect 1998 w Manning (IMO, no price hike until HOF call)...2000 w/ Brady...2001 w/ Brees...2004 w/ Eli & Big Ben (not to take away from Rivers)...2005 w/ Rodgers...maybe 2008 w/ Flacco & Ryan... I think everything else is more a less a gamble at this point. At least with these older guys we can expect at LEAST one more ring between them if not more.

Just my $0.02

[RogerGodahell]

The above is the general problem with modern wax. You might have kept them sealed in a bin for the length you own them. But no way to know if they were sitting in the basement of some distributor for a decade before you got them. Or in the garage of another collector before that.

Anyone who would buy these boxes in the future would have to assume as much on the condition they might be in. Its not like we are talking about cello packs sadly. So that will still play into their value down the road. The "what if they are stuck together" situation to a potential buyer.



It seems like you are actually agreeing. If modern wax, like Contenders, was a hard grade right from the box 15 years ago, what makes anyone think they would be in better condition 30 years after that? Modern cards will break down faster than true vintage in a pack.

As for your second point, you are agreeing that the value in true vintage is the means to get high grade. And thats why those boxes are worth so much more now. If you want that Gem Mint Marino, you almost have to take a shot at a sealed box. And that shot costs a lot of money due to the potential payout. Since busting old wax is the primary way to find high grade worthy raw.

Brady's are and will forever be in top notch graded holders. Every RC has a bunch of examples at the top end and countless 9's. There is no shortage of them, they are just expensive and the value on them will go down.

This was the part i disagree with. I don't think the prices will be going down on Brady cards. His prices are all going up across the board no matter what the brand is. For everyone else that may be the case but for Brady it definitely isn't.

[Grid]

Brady's are and will forever be in top notch graded holders. Every RC has a bunch of examples at the top end and countless 9's. There is no shortage of them, they are just expensive and the value on them will go down.

This was the part i disagree with. I don't think the prices will be going down on Brady cards. His prices are all going up across the board no matter what the brand is. For everyone else that may be the case but for Brady it definitely isn't.

Ahh, I didn't say that, someone else did. But in all fairness you left this part out of your quoting

"Even if Brady has 10 different rookies that stay at current value, that is not rising and the boxes won't rise unless the potential singles from it are rising....... Contenders, SPA... sure............. but most other items will be worth less in 3 years than they are when he retires."

He said after he retires they would be worth less than they currently are. That's left to be seen. Sometimes out of sight out of mind when a player becomes removed from the game.

Right now, after a 5th Super Bowl (and one for the ages) his key RC's are worth $XXX. Maybe this is the height? I know Randy Moss sold better when he was active. So who knows.

[MFaulkCollector]

Ahh, I didn't say that, someone else did. But in all fairness you left this part out of your quoting

"Even if Brady has 10 different rookies that stay at current value, that is not rising and the boxes won't rise unless the potential singles from it are rising....... Contenders, SPA... sure............. but most other items will be worth less in 3 years than they are when he retires."

He said after he retires they would be worth less than they currently are. That's left to be seen. Sometimes out of sight out of mind when a player becomes removed from the game.

Right now, after a 5th Super Bowl (and one for the ages) his key RC's are worth $XXX. Maybe this is the height? I know Randy Moss sold better when he was active. So who knows.

Moss was kind of an enigma in the hobby...... he is a top 3 all time WR and didn't really have many big time PC collectors. He had a ton of room to grow in my opinion, kind of like Larry Fitzgerald does for the current guys. Moss has exploded because there was room. Brady had some room before this last win...... I don't think exponential jumps would be in the cards long term, although more winning and another SB will facilitate gains...... I don't see SB 6 causing a 2.5-3x increase in his top end items like SB 5 did.

The number of SB's to Brady's credit won't change my general premise on box value though. If he wins 7 SB's.... 3 years after he retires 90 plus percent of his rookies will be less than the day he walked away. If you are looking to invest in some lower end boxes from 00 with the thought he gets number 6 and lower end items are driven up... that's fine... I don't think you could really win much or lose much with that. It's a very safe and stable play

[03supto]

Moss was kind of an enigma in the hobby...... he is a top 3 all time WR and didn't really have many big time PC collectors. He had a ton of room to grow in my opinion, kind of like Larry Fitzgerald does for the current guys. Moss has exploded because there was room. Brady had some room before this last win...... I don't think exponential jumps would be in the cards long term, although more winning and another SB will facilitate gains...... I don't see SB 6 causing a 2.5-3x increase in his top end items like SB 5 did.

The number of SB's to Brady's credit won't change my general premise on box value though. If he wins 7 SB's.... 3 years after he retires 90 plus percent of his rookies will be less than the day he walked away. If you are looking to invest in some lower end boxes from 00 with the thought he gets number 6 and lower end items are driven up... that's fine... I don't think you could really win much or lose much with that. It's a very safe and stable play

Correction::: Moss top 2

[03supto]

2002 UD SPA was sitting in eBay stores bc buyers refused to pay $99 for a box; one just ended at $225 to chase a third year Brady card....unreal

[RogerGodahell]

Modern day Mickey Mantle (in card collecting equivalency)...I said that before they won the last super bowl. Some people are still in denial. Brady's cards will never go down long term.

[03supto]

Modern day Mickey Mantle (in card collecting equivalency)...I said that before they won the last super bowl. Some people are still in denial. Brady's cards will never go down long term.

I've noticed that trend that when you're right people stay mad...love the hate I guess

[fact81]

Yeah, I mean, i just don't see Tom Brady cards ever going down. How? I personally dont care for him a ton(not a Patriots fan) but you can't argue the fact that he is or will be the most collected player of all time(besides Michael Jordan).

[fact81]

2000 Hobby Boxes are drying up. I mean really. Go search bbcexchange, blowoutcards charmcitycards or dacardworld. They dont have any, period! You pretty much have to rely on Ebay.

We shall see in 20 years lol

[MFaulkCollector]

Modern day Mickey Mantle (in card collecting equivalency)...I said that before they won the last super bowl. Some people are still in denial. Brady's cards will never go down long term.

Mantle has one card each year from topps...... the limited supply and overall poor condition makes these cards highly desired. Brady, although equally as great in his own respect... just doesn't have that on his side for the hobby

Brady has double the rookie cards from fleer brands than Mantle has through his playing years

Brady's lower-middle to upper-middle stuff will depreciate after his retirement, there is no question about. There is really no option as far as the market goes. Brady has probably 8-10 rookies that will continue to surge into the future and prices will be astronomical. Also the low numbered RC stuff will do the same. If that is what you are talking about, I agree and all sales evidence supports that from other modern great players. I would agree the mid tier stuff will be worth more in 20 years than it is at retirement... but that would hold true for anyone at the first ballot HOF level. Brady will not be immune to the middle end price drops that occur after retirement...... if this does not happen to him, he will be the ONLY modern player ever to be that way. The general recipe is...... low end stays about the same, maybe up some or down some, middle tier drops, middle to upper tier drops....... high end and super high end skyrocket. It seems like the middle tier money ends up going to the best items and then some.

It will be an interesting thing to see unfold over the years...... but at the top end, Brady Champ Ticket, SPA...... yea, I can see that being the 52 Mantle and 51 Bowman

[SirTommyWinAlot]

I think rookies with Brady in a pats uniform will always stay strong and command a premium. The only Brady rookies with him in a college uni that will do well are the short print and autographed ones. The only reason I get a Brady rookie with him in a college uni is just to have it. Am I buying multiples of that? nope. But there are certain cards that I will buy multiples of and the common denominator between them is the fact Brady is in a Pats uni.

[moose]

Ahh, I didn't say that, someone else did. But in all fairness you left this part out of your quoting

"Even if Brady has 10 different rookies that stay at current value, that is not rising and the boxes won't rise unless the potential singles from it are rising....... Contenders, SPA... sure............. but most other items will be worth less in 3 years than they are when he retires."

He said after he retires they would be worth less than they currently are. That's left to be seen. Sometimes out of sight out of mind when a player becomes removed from the game.

Right now, after a 5th Super Bowl (and one for the ages) his key RC's are worth $XXX. Maybe this is the height? I know Randy Moss sold better when he was active. So who knows.

a point regarding active vs retired value: jordan still sells like the greatest of all time. since most consider brady on that level i believe his value will not drop once his career ends.

[fact81]

Those damn Patriots!

[RogerGodahell]

All Brady cards are going bonkers right now, absolute bonkers. 2014 Topps chrome sepias selling for $275....2014 topps chrome cards selling for several hundred dollars its crazy.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

It's a Tom Brady world, and we're all living in it.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Moss was kind of an enigma in the hobby...... he is a top 3 all time WR and didn't really have many big time PC collectors. He had a ton of room to grow in my opinion, kind of like Larry Fitzgerald does for the current guys. Moss has exploded because there was room. Brady had some room before this last win...... I don't think exponential jumps would be in the cards long term, although more winning and another SB will facilitate gains...... I don't see SB 6 causing a 2.5-3x increase in his top end items like SB 5 did.

The number of SB's to Brady's credit won't change my general premise on box value though. If he wins 7 SB's.... 3 years after he retires 90 plus percent of his rookies will be less than the day he walked away. If you are looking to invest in some lower end boxes from 00 with the thought he gets number 6 and lower end items are driven up... that's fine... I don't think you could really win much or lose much with that. It's a very safe and stable play

wholeheartedly disagree. The market for Brady has changed drastically to the point where his 2nd sp base card and refractors are off the charts. The Greatest comeback in super bowl history was a seminal moment in the Tom Brady sports card market. His lower end college uni rookie cards may stabilize but many of the other brands will increase. Some more quickly than others.

In any case I believe in quality and paying a little bit more to get that. I'd go after a playoff momentum box myself.

[RaiderMike]

The 89 Score (insert set of some sort) is what you want for Sanders and Aikman, if i'm not mistaken. Correct me if i'm wrong.

I don't believe it was in just a hobby box.

[bewareof94]

wholeheartedly disagree. The market for Brady has changed drastically to the point where his 2nd sp base card and refractors are off the charts. The Greatest comeback in super bowl history was a seminal moment in the Tom Brady sports card market. His lower end college uni rookie cards may stabilize but many of the other brands will increase. Some more quickly than others.

In any case I believe in quality and paying a little bit more to get that. I'd go after a playoff momentum box myself.

To hold and never open, yes, but I definitely would not want to be the one taking the risk of opening one of these...and this is coming from someone who bought one several years ago in the $180-$200 range when there were none to be found and actually pulled a Brady RC by some miracle.

I believe boxes are like 12 or 16 packs, one rookie /750 per box and 100 rookies on the checklist - so basically 1:100 box odds of getting a Brady RC.

[RogerGodahell]

That's kind of the same thing with SP Authentic.

[Bassplayah101]

ssbledsoe - Indeed! I bought a box of 1984 topps(I think from dave & adams) for $600.

I just feel Tom Brady is most likely going down right now as the best QB of all time(possibly even best player of all time). Just getting a feeling 2000 boxes in 20 years are gonna worth a ton! I could be wrong!

I think youre correct in this assumption.

The one problem I potentially forsee which could create a problem with "investing" in certain 2000 boxes is that several of Brady's rc's are serial numbered.
Because there is essentially more product than rc's, at some point in time, someone may look up graded population reports and be able to come to an assumption that the chances of a Brady rc being in whatever is left over is slim to none.
I can see this hurting prices of 2000 product, whereas boxes of 84 (and whatever else vintage that you had) wont run into that problem due to mass production.

Im not saying that its a bad investment, just being devils advocate.
If I had any 2000 product, I wouldnt open it.

[RogerGodahell]

It's like Tom Brady's cards single handed just made every product from 2000 until now worth buying boxes of just for the chance to pull any of his cards. $275 for a 2014 topps chrome! I may have to load up on some boxes of Chrome seeings how it's a lot more worth buying now. I mean some of the years were anyways but this is like a huge boost to every product.

[RogerGodahell]

I don't know if we've ever witnessed anything like this before

[fact81]

What I would like to know: Lets take Tom Brady Serial #ed Rookies for example. Let's take his Fleer Showcase Rookie. It is #ed to /2000. Other than checking population reports on how many people submitted this card to PSA or BGS for grading, how would anyone know other than seeing a couple listings on ebay "How many are left out there"?

Let's say 100 of them are still wrapped in packs/sealed boxes, a couple hundred are in collector's personal collection & a handful are with some guy in Oshkosh Wisconsin in his basement???

[carlo16]

The 89 Score (insert set of some sort) is what you want for Sanders and Aikman, if i'm not mistaken. Correct me if i'm wrong.

I don't believe it was in just a hobby box.

Sanders and Aikman are in the wax boxes.

[blackbears86]

I'm a collector of unopened boxes, and I still think the 2000 football boxes (with a potential Brady rookie) have room to grow.

As another poster said, these are drying up fast, and prices keep climbing, but they are out there, and if TB plays another 4+ years, imagine the prices we are going to be discussing then.

[fact81]

Its just like when vintage got hot. Sealed boxes are drying up & as each year goes by, there are inly less & less sesled boxes. I feel the same is going to se said for 2000 boxes. The only place you are finding 2000 boxes(w Brady RCS in them) is ebay. The biggest online dealers either dont have them in stock or sell out as quickly as they get them in. As i said earlier, in 20 years, there is going to be so very little unopened product.

1984 Topps produced how many boxes/cases compared to 2000 Bowman lets say or Quantum Leaf?

One thing that will NEVER die are people opening up Wax, it just isnt gonna happen!

Hang into your 2000 boxes!

[fact81]

Damn! My fat thumb spelled a ton of words wrong lol

[imbluestreak23]

PSA graded base cards of Brady post 2000 (since 2000 is obvious).

Would have to think PSA 9 and 10s of the GOAT from premium brands like Contenders, TC, BC, Finest, SP Authentic and SPx will be highly sought after. Essentially becoming 2nd year, 3rd year cards such as 53/54 mantles and 87/88 88/89 fleer Jordans.

The discrepancy in 2000 graded values and 2002/2003/2004 Brady graded values is crazy. I actually think the base cards should be selling for more than their already high price. AKA if you have any mint-gem base Bradies through those years you want to pass along, PM me!

[Archangel1775]

1989 Score Unopened. Cutting was better, no bubble gum to damage cards, no worry about cards sticking together and a huge HOF/FHOF class.

[fact81]

1989 Score unopened is a nice one to have:)

[fact81]

Bumping the thread..

[RogerGodahell]

I like 89 Score i plan on picking up a box myself soon. 81,84,86 and 89 are all good. I've recently picked up some older stuff and opened it, that was probably a mistake but i had fun. I have some 72 Topps coming in, a bunch of 86 rack packs, and a couple 84 PSA graded cellos. I think im gonna send the 72 Topps off to PSA for grading and keep them all unopened. 86 Topps is really gaining value, wax packs are going for about $65 a pop ungraded, rack packs around $150 recently.

[fact81]

Im at a loss as to why 1986 Topps football boxes are more than 84 boxes. 1984 has multiple HOFers while 1986 has what, Rice n Young?

[Onepocketj]

Keep the 2000s. Plenty of suckers like me that love opening that old wax. Opened 4 boxes of 2000 this week and got two Bradys. I ain't stopping...
:)

[RogerGodahell]

Im at a loss as to why 1986 Topps football boxes are more than 84 boxes. 1984 has multiple HOFers while 1986 has what, Rice n Young?

Rice, Young, Smith, White

[Drdduet]

OP,

You have a good list, stocking up on more of those boxes should net you a great return. I like to seek out the stuff that I believe is currently undervalued....and you have 25 years or so to wait so there is a ton of it out there...

2011 is a good year--TC and Contenders
2009 is relatively cheap and a bit of a gamble, it really depends on what Stafford accomplishes in his career....this year could be a real sleeper or not.

Happy Hunting!

[Clarka3]

i was getting ready to come in here and #@#@#@#@ all over somebody asking which cards were worth investing in, but then again I didn't realize that the sealed box market was so lucrative for the older years. interesting.

[gonzagacubs]

I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it would be to peel the cards off of each other without damaging them if they sit in the packs for another 20 years.