Are you done grading with BGS now?

[mrchipz]

So in a nutshell if you have not heard BGS has decided to not only raise prices for grading, increase turn a round times, do away with sub grades on lower graded cards AND make you pay a premium service level if sending in a card to them worth $500 or more.

all the new info and chages are here https://www.beckett.com/grading/faq click on the service level and fees drop down on this page.

with the "old" way it always has been, 31 cards at 10 day grading not including shipping and insurance was $372. now with the "new" way 31 cards cost $620!! thats over 50% more for the same service!!

I used to love to send it cheap chrome and prizm rcs and have them graded to increase roi but now it just does not make sense.

Especially with prizm base rookies and my giannis collection.

What is even more wrong to me is that they are basing their $500 card evaluation and value off of the Beckett monthly card magazine prices!!
Conflict of interest......:coffee:

then they do away with sub grades on lower graded cards but WILL charge you more if you want them:doh:

I have been a loyal customer of bgs for a long time. i have sent in over 60 cards to them in the past 60 days alone.

But the buck stops here for me.

now they only give discounts if you send it 50+ cards at a time, ridiculous!
there new service level is non guaranteed 20-60 day turn a round time for the cheap service of $10 per card. 1st that is 20-60 business days and you know like i know they will use ALL 60 of them days. so cards will take 4+ months to come back!! insane.

30+ cards subs on a 10 day service USED to be $12 a card. now that goes up to $20 a card a 40% increase.
its just gotten out of hand and in my eyes they are screwing the consumer on this one.

lets not even talk about their crazy shipping and insurance fees.
for instance they charges me $48 to ship my cards back to me insured fede ground. But i spent $18 to ship them with the same insurance by fedex ground to them and they have a business account which im sure gets them 30%-50% discount on shipping fees. so they charge me $48 to ship my cards back to me when it probably cost them $10 to do so! i mean the cards would have fit in a flat rate box for $12 :coffee:

I been a bgs supporter for a long time but i refuse to ever give them my money any longer after this. I will NEVER grade with them again sorry.
Cannot say i will go to psa to grade, think im just gonna stop grading in general cause of all the scams based around it in the hobby.
But, if i had to grade a card it would go to psa in the future.
I'm just done with BGS.

I myself have read enough of the horror stories about them from other members about issues they had with cards coming back with damaged cases, wrong flips, wrong info on the flips, damaged cards, severely missed deadline dates, terrible customer service.

I personally have not had any of those issues but recently got a few cards back with plastic piece stuck in the case and way past the deadlines like others and then when i call they always give me a different story and the customer service is poor.

So i am officially done with bgs.

So i left a poll in this thread, very simple.
For those of you guys that have graded with bgs solely or primarily over another grading company like psa or sgc.
Will all the new changes make you stop grading with bgs or substantially decrease the amount of cards you send to them to get graded.
simple question, would love the input to gauge the forums take on this.

[SirVolan]

I only buy graded, but I go BGS just because I personally like the look better. If everything here is true, then your anger is understandable though. But it still wouldn't prevent me from buying BGS.

[mrchipz]

I only buy graded, but I go BGS just because I personally like the look better. If everything here is true, then your anger is understandable though. But it still wouldn't prevent me from buying BGS.

Oh i do too, like i said i prefer bgs. the cases are better, the sub grades, the inner sleeve, etc.
i will still buy bgs graded cards for my collection.
but the thread was made saying i will no longer submit cards to them.

all i said is true. so i would still buy them from people, but i will no longer submit cards to them or gibe them my money.

[SirVolan]

Oh i do too, like i said i prefer bgs. the cases are better, the sub grades, the inner sleeve, etc.
i will still buy bgs graded cards for my collection.
but the thread was made saying i will no longer submit cards to them.

all i said is true. so i would still buy them from people, but i will no longer submit cards to them or gibe them my money.

In that case, these prices would make me hesitant. And I would probably only do a high end piece here and there. Sorry for kind of jacking your thread with the wrong grading experience.

[mrclean08]

I couldn't find the additional fee price for obtaining sub grades if the card grades 8 or below for the Non-Guaranteed Service tier. Was it stated anywhere?

[mrchipz]

In that case, these prices would make me hesitant. And I would probably only do a high end piece here and there. Sorry for kind of jacking your thread with the wrong grading experience.

its ok man. i edited the thread in the op to show much more it was. in the past 31 cards at a 10 day service level was $372, now for the same 10 day service level its $620. i just cant pay that much more for the same service.

[mrchipz]

I couldn't find the additional fee price for obtaining sub grades if the card grades 8 or below. Was it stated anywhere?

"Non-Guaranteed Service Levels- This service level is not valid on any cards that are valued more than $500 Beckett (ungraded, high book value). This service level will not provide sub grades on modern cards (1981 and newer) that are deemed to receive a grade of 8 and below. Sub grades may be obtained for these cards at an additional cost. This service level does not offer a guaranteed turnaround but will provide an estimated date of return in the range of 20-60 business days .

Beckett Grading reserves the right to upgrade cards to a premium level based on value. Please check any Beckett Magazine or online price guide to see the value "

see this thread especially the 1st page for more info.
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/off-topic/1103802-new-bgs-pricing-submission-structure-released.html

[MJGOAT23]

I always used BGS because I like the sub grades, the predictable turn around time and cost. I never liked why PSA charges a different grading fee depending on the value of the card. Like, what's the difference???! Rate the card on its condition. period. It should take the same amount of work for a 5 cent common or a Jordan RC. I suppose you have to factor in counterfeit potential on a popular card but if you can't tell that right away with the card in hand you ought not to be a grader in the first place. Plus with PSA, the grade received was sometimes mysterious and for instance if you tried a crossover, and it didn't make it they wouldn't even share why. Really??! I just paid you to assess it, now its a secret??

I don't see these changes on their website yet, but basically, they are now structured like PSA.:doh:

[mrchipz]

I always used BGS because I like the sub grades, the predictable turn around time and cost. I never liked why PSA charges a different grading fee depending on the value of the card. Like, what's the difference???! Rate the card on its condition. period. It should take the same amount of work for a 5 cent common or a Jordan RC. I suppose you have to factor in counterfeit potential on a popular card but if you can't tell that right away with the card in hand you ought not to be a grader in the first place. Plus with PSA, the grade received was sometimes mysterious and for instance if you tried a crossover, and it didn't make it they wouldn't even share why. Really??! I just paid you to assess it, now its a secret??

I don't see these changes on their website yet, but basically, they are now structured like PSA.:doh:

exactly. one of the reasons i liked bgs as well over psa. the changes are there i edited the original post to with the link and a few posts above i linked a big discussion going on about it in the "off topic" area.

[MJGOAT23]

ok i see the link posted now...thank you.

[mrclean08]

"Non-Guaranteed Service Levels- This service level is not valid on any cards that are valued more than $500 Beckett (ungraded, high book value). This service level will not provide sub grades on modern cards (1981 and newer) that are deemed to receive a grade of 8 and below. Sub grades may be obtained for these cards at an additional cost This service level does not offer a guaranteed turnaround but will provide an estimated date of return in the range of 20-60 business days .

Beckett Grading reserves the right to upgrade cards to a premium level based on value. Please check any Beckett Magazine or online price guide to see the value "

see this thread especially the 1st page for more info.
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/off-topic/1103802-new-bgs-pricing-submission-structure-released.html

Yes, but how much is the additional cost for the subgrade? (please see the bolded sentence)

[mrchipz]

Yes, but how much is the additional cost for the subgrade? (please see the bolded sentence)

who knows. sad you have to pay extra for it when it was always there factored in before. on top of the more expensive grading fee now they tack on an extra charge as well for the vintage cards it seems since most that will qualify for that will be vintage id assume.

[yiguiri2002]

My two cents:

- Forcing the Premium Level service for cards with a Book Value over 500 is ridiculous. That basically says that you have to pay a premium to grade a card that it's being sold at 2-300 bucks. Insane.

- I don't like the lack of subgrades for modern, low graded cards...but it will push people to be more careful about what they send. At least I get it. Also, is there any non-Jordan modern card that would be more expensive being a BGS 7.5 than Raw? (Honestly asking, I'm not very knowledgeable about 80s sets condition)

- Increasing the price while decreasing the service is just...wrong.

- Could this mean there's going to be a hike in cards graded by BGS? Especially with modern cards graded 7.5 or lower, since they will have the subgrades?

[LeonfromNC]

I sent my order this past Friday to avoid the price increase. Heard this through the grapevine last week, but didn't want to post it here until it was confirmed. Either way, I will still grade with BGS as long as they keep giving me 9.5's and 10's :D

[mrchipz]

My two cents:

- Forcing the Premium Level service for cards with a Book Value over 500 is ridiculous. That basically says that you have to pay a premium to grade a card that it's being sold at 2-300 bucks. Insane.

- I don't like the lack of subgrades for modern, low graded cards...but it will push people to be more careful about what they send. At least I get it. Also, is there any non-Jordan modern card that would be more expensive being a BGS 7.5 than Raw? (Honestly asking, I'm not very knowledgeable about 80s sets condition)

- Increasing the price while decreasing the service is just...wrong.

- Could this mean there's going to be a hike in cards graded by BGS? Especially with modern cards graded 7.5 or lower, since they will have the subgrades?

yes i think it is ridiculous as well especially since they are using their own guide they put out as the metric. we all know how accurate beckett guides are......

expensive maybe not, but most collectors would not buy a raw jordan or vintage card just due to it possibly being fake.
i do 100% think bgs graded cards will see an uptick in value going forward cause there should and will be less of them and now you have to factor in the grading cost in to the card.
for example raw giannis prizm rc $30- bgs 9.5 giannis rc $50 current prices. with it costing $20 to grade the card not including shipping and insurance and the wait its the same price. so that $g50 card should now be a $70 card at least. just 1 example of 1000s but i think bgs graded cards now will rise in value over this personally.

[mrchipz]

I sent my order this past Friday to avoid the price increase. Heard this through the grapevine last week, but didn't want to post it here until it was confirmed. Either way, I will still grade with BGS as long as they keep giving me 9.5's and 10's :D

if a card deserves that grade it will grade that way 90% of the time with any professional grader. but if you're ok with paying 50% more for the same service be mu guest. im not.

[LeonfromNC]

if a card deserves that grade it will grade that way 90% of the time with any professional grader. but if you're ok with paying 50% more for the same service be mu guest. im not.

Thing is I don't send low end cards to grade because it doesn't make sense to resale wise. Most of the stuff I send is mid to high end so the price hike is ok because the value of the card I send in will increase significantly if graded gem or better.

[chris_ac]

Interesting developments. I've been intermittently submitting small orders once or twice a year since 2003, but with the hassle of cracked slabs and them blaming FedEx, I kind of been passively avoiding a new order even though I have plenty of worthy cards.

So yes, to answer the question OP, the frequency of cracked slabs I was receiving compounded with the rate increases, and also my more narrow focus of collecting will ultimately lead to no new submissions. Unless I take a week vacation to Dallas and do a walk-in order.

[mrchipz]

Thing is I don't send low end cards to grade because it doesn't make sense to resale wise. Most of the stuff I send is mid to high end so the price hike is ok because the value of the card I send in will increase significantly if graded gem or better.

doesnt make a difference if it is low end or not. before today you send in 31 cards worth $300 each, thats not low end. it used to cost you $372 to grade those 31 cards. now send them same 31 cards in worth $300 each and it cost $620. you are paying more for the same level of service, same service nothing has changed but the price and not in your favor. but i like i said if you are ok with that and dont see it as shady then thats your prerogative.

[mrchipz]

Interesting developments. I've been intermittently submitting small orders once or twice a year since 2003, but with the hassle of cracked slabs and them blaming FedEx, I kind of been passively avoiding a new order even though I have plenty of worthy cards.

So yes, to answer the question OP, the frequency of cracked slabs I was receiving compounded with the rate increases, and also my more narrow focus of collecting will ultimately lead to no new submissions. Unless I take a week vacation to Dallas and do a walk-in order.

yes i have heard lots of stories abort the slabs. all though i have never had it happen to me i have heard it 100s of times.
yes you can go walk in but no its gonna cost you 50% more then it did last week. thats sad. i can understand a prices increase. maybe 10% but not this much.

[WaiverWire]

Despite all the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching, the same people that's sent their stuff into BGS will keep doing so. They will pass the costs onto downstream buyers. The difference, of course, is that it will make it harder for flippers to make money.

[smalltown]

see it as shady then thats your prerogative.

I understand the frustration of a service you're using going up in price. But, a company changing their prices and services does not make them shady.

[LeonfromNC]

doesnt make a difference if it is low end or not. before today you send in 31 cards worth $300 each, thats not low end. it used to cost you $372 to grade those 31 cards. now send them same 31 cards in worth $300 each and it cost $620. you are paying more for the same level of service, same service nothing has changed but the price and not in your favor. but i like i said if you are ok with that and dont see it as shady then thats your prerogative.

But I don't send in bulk. Only 2-10 cards at a time. I have a certain formula I follow when I send in my cards, so again no it doesn't change my stance on the increase in pricing. I will still do what I have been doing.

[mrchipz]

Despite all the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching, the same people that's sent their stuff into BGS will keep doing so. They will pass the costs onto downstream buyers. The difference, of course, is that it will make it harder for flippers to make money.

i dont believe that at all. guess we shall see but i know me and a few others i talked to that used to send in 10-35 cards every month or 2 will no longer be using their services. thats why i put the poll up. should give a fair indication of the percentage of customers they will lose if people are being honest.

[mrchipz]

I understand the frustration of a service you're using going up in price. But, a company changing their prices and services does not make them shady.

when they alter their services so drastically from what they have been for very long time then alter the price change so drastically from what it has been that to me is shady.
telling you you have to pay more to grade a card that they deem costs more then $500 because they say so based on their price guide is shady. you know and i know they have plenty of cards in their price guide valued at $500 that dont sell for half of that. if they went offf of fair market value or ebay complete average that would be fair.
like i said i been a supporter of bgs for 10+ years and will continue to buy bgs graded cards. i just wont send in any of mine anymore to them

[WaiverWire]

i dont believe that at all. guess we shall see but i know me and a few others i talked to that used to send in 10-35 cards every month or 2 will no longer be using their services. thats why i put the poll up. should give a fair indication of the percentage of customers they will lose if people are being honest.

If they double their prices but lose less than half of their customers, then they don't actually lose money. They get the same amount of money for half the work. Also, if you think about it, the change in policy suggests that people were flooding them with cards. Anyone who used to send cards in and then bust them out of the case if they got a grade they didn't like will now be paying double for being an idiot.

[smalltown]

when they alter their services so drastically from what they have been for very long time then alter the price change so drastically from what it has been that to me is shady...

Again. None of what you're upset about is shady. They're changing their business model. I completely understand why you're upset. But to say they're being shady is simply not true.

[YuppieMonkey]

I have always strictly used BGS because I prefer the case and sub grades, but grading was hardly worth it for the old fees.

I will have to look close at what cards I want graded and what the cost would be. This sucks, I have certain cards that need to be graded to match the ones I already have graded.

Another hostage situation... welcome to card collecting.

[Boo]

If they double their prices but lose less than half of their customers, then they don't actually lose money. They get the same amount of money for half the work. Also, if you think about it, the change in policy suggests that people were flooding them with cards. Anyone who used to send cards in and then bust them out of the case if they got a grade they didn't like will now be paying double for being an idiot.

Businesses can't sustain themselves by keeping the same revenue amount. Things go up, wages, utilities, taxes, health insurance, etc. Doubling prices and losing half their customers (as you said) would be the death of BGS.

[rdleifriaf]

Are these changes effective as of right now? I've been thinking about getting some cards graded for a looooooooooooooooong time, but I've wanted to get a nice stack together to get a discounted price. Guess I missed the boat.

[WaiverWire]

Businesses can't sustain themselves by keeping the same revenue amount. Things go up, wages, utilities, taxes, health insurance, etc. Doubling prices and losing half their customers (as you said) would be the death of BGS.

You are assuming that costs would remain the same. If they can collect the same amount of revenue but decrease costs because they will need fewer graders, then it is still a profitable move. I'm sure BGS has run the numbers. And if they miscalculated, they could always decrease the prices again.

[Boo]

You are assuming that costs would remain the same. If they can collect the same amount of revenue but decrease costs because they will need fewer graders, then it is still a profitable move. I'm sure BGS has run the numbers. And if they miscalculated, they could always decrease the prices again.

Yes fewer graders, that will make the customers that aren't leaving happy. It is a spiral that won't end. Good luck BGS.:coffee::coffee::coffee:

[WaiverWire]

Yes fewer graders, that will make the customers that aren't leaving happy. It is a spiral that won't end. Good luck BGS.:coffee::coffee::coffee:

Businesses can set their prices wherever they want. If they go out of business, that's their problem. If BGS were no longer an option, more people would just go to PSA.

[daeve]

well shoot, was planning on doing my first submission this year, probably not now.

[minnesotachill]

I'm done with BGS

I have 2 orders there now. One of them going on 2 weeks past due. The other is about 1 week past and not even entered into their system yet.

[dasiegel]

This is going to create a major price bump for people who buy graded becasue if it costs X more $ to grade it, sellers will price accordingly. Great for people who hoarded previous prizm refs and stuff like that. Terrible for people who only collect graded or were happy collecting base card gems.

[minnesotachill]

Just got a $64.00 Refund on one of my orders.

I am assuming it's a shipping refund on my first order.


Does this make things better? Not really. Does it make me hate BGS a little less? Possibly.

[stang_crazy]

I've used them once many years ago, I was actually working on a stack of cards to send in to be graded for resale but with the turn around times I don't think its feasible unless your doing 2-5 day turn around which if you got more than a few cards is it even logical to so unless the card is BIG money?

Plus with the increase in pricing does it make the option for getting stuff graded less desirable for anyone?

Obviously if you go with a longer turn around time & given all the stories about how long its taking to get cards back anything could happen in that time.


At this point I don't know if I will send them in to be graded now. Is PSA & the other company that I cant think of any better?

[Branesergen]

PSA is $18 a card for 31 cards on 10 day service on cards $500 or less, I wonder if they use Beckett to determine the value??? I'm guessing they do as its right at their fingertips. So really BGS is $2 more for better cases and subgrades.

I'll still be using them. Glad they are raising the prices and getting rid of the crap ton of low end they have to grade which is what is causing the delays everyone is experiencing. Once the fat is trimmed expect to see better discounts more often.

[GeechQuest]

This is going to create a major price bump for people who buy graded becasue if it costs X more $ to grade it, sellers will price accordingly. Great for people who hoarded previous prizm refs and stuff like that. Terrible for people who only collect graded or were happy collecting base card gems.

Maybe, we will have to wait and see. I don't think it will effect cards already graded. Those were graded under the old pricing model and therefore the supply is already there. Just because you paid "x" amount for grading doesn't mean I'll cover your cost of grading either.

Going forward, if there were fewer BGS cards (say 17/18 Prizm), this could cause those cards to spike a bit. It would be because fewer people graded due to the price increase, not because it costs more to grade though. Supply and Demand and such...

The supply is already there for cards that have already been released and graded. How many more people were going to submit Lebron Chrome RCs vs Lebron Chrome Rcs that are already graded?

[Scottish Punk]

PSA is $18 a card for 31 cards on 10 day service on cards $500 or less, I wonder if they use Beckett to determine the value??? I'm guessing they do as its right at their fingertips. So really BGS is $2 more for better cases and subgrades.

I'll still be using them. Glad they are raising the prices and getting rid of the crap ton of low end they have to grade which is what is causing the delays everyone is experiencing. Once the fat is trimmed expect to see better discounts more often.

I can see them using club discounts going forward to lower prices. This gives them two benefits - lets them control the ebb/flow of cards a bit better and pushes more people to join club. This has been the PSA model, as you said probably not a coincidence that they are doing something similar.

[bulljh]

I've been done with them since they ruined one of my cards without so much as a sorry coming from them.

You should post this in the baseball section.

[daeve]

Maybe, we will have to wait and see. I don't think it will effect cards already graded. Those were graded under the old pricing model and therefore the supply is already there. Just because you paid "x" amount for grading doesn't mean I'll cover your cost of grading either.

Going forward, if there were fewer BGS cards (say 17/18 Prizm), this could cause those cards to spike a bit. It would be because fewer people graded due to the price increase, not because it costs more to grade though. Supply and Demand and such...

The supply is already there for cards that have already been released and graded. How many more people were going to submit Lebron Chrome RCs vs Lebron Chrome Rcs that are already graded?

Agreed on this. I think the only way prices are affected is if we do see a big drop-off in graded cards. Probably does happen for cheaper cards, for mid-high end I don't think there will be much/any drop-off

[pejc300]

Just got a $64.00 Refund on one of my orders.

I am assuming it's a shipping refund on my first order.


Does this make things better? Not really. Does it make me hate BGS a little less? Possibly.

Did you ask for this? Curious because my order is now 10 days late as well (10 day order arrived on 3/17 and no grades yet almost one month later, lol). I would love to get some kind of compensation.

[imbluestreak23]

You are assuming that costs would remain the same. If they can collect the same amount of revenue but decrease costs because they will need fewer graders, then it is still a profitable move. I'm sure BGS has run the numbers. And if they miscalculated, they could always decrease the prices again.

Your correct. But let's use an even more extreme example.

Let's say that BGS decided that they were going to charge $1 million per card to get graded, and only 4 knuckle heads decided to take them up on that and agree to those terms. BGS will collect the same revenue, realize substantial decreases in costs, and make a lot more profit.

But then what? How does grading 4 cards (fewer cards, whatever analogy you want to use) advance their product/brand/service?

It doesn't.

Business 101. You don't take measures to eliminate too much business because the company can't handle it.

[imbluestreak23]

PSA is $18 a card for 31 cards on 10 day service on cards $500 or less, I wonder if they use Beckett to determine the value??? I'm guessing they do as its right at their fingertips. So really BGS is $2 more for better cases and subgrades.

I'll still be using them. Glad they are raising the prices and getting rid of the crap ton of low end they have to grade which is what is causing the delays everyone is experiencing. Once the fat is trimmed expect to see better discounts more often.

Or $10 for cards valued $149 or less with current special or $99 or less. Big big difference in price. They are very lax on these standards from my experience.

[GeechQuest]

Your correct. But let's use an even more extreme example.

Let's say that BGS decided that they were going to charge $1 million per card to get graded, and only 4 knuckle heads decided to take them up on that and agree to those terms. BGS will collect the same revenue, realize substantial decreases in costs, and make a lot more profit.

But then what? How does grading 4 cards (fewer cards, whatever analogy you want to use) advance their product/brand/service?

It doesn't.

Business 101. You don't take measures to eliminate too much business because the company can't handle it.


You're right, but business 102 says that if you have an extreme demand for a product you've priced it too low.

If BGS feels like they can't keep up with demand, they can:

a) add employees
b) raise prices

We know they're doing Option B, I suspect they're also trying to do Option A.

If I was BGS I'd raise my prices as well. The demand for BGS graded cards is obviously there.

[3pt]

damn I was going to grade last week...

[rcgdodge]

Did you ask for this? Curious because my order is now 10 days late as well (10 day order arrived on 3/17 and no grades yet almost one month later, lol). I would love to get some kind of compensation.

They were closed 3 days last week apparently. What day were they actually entered into the system? You might not be past your 5 day grace period.

My order is 2 day from being late. If I don't see anything by Friday, I'll be calling.

[pejc300]

They were closed 3 days last week apparently. What day were they actually entered into the system? You might not be past your 5 day grace period.

My order is 2 day from being late. If I don't see anything by Friday, I'll be calling.

Yeah, I guess that is true. They were "received" on 3/17/17 and "due" 3/31/17 according to the online system. But you're right, if I count actual business days (not including the 3 day closure last week), business day 15 is tomorrow. Crazy. I have been checking for my grades incessantly for the past 5 days - I probably should not even look until tomorrow evening but I have some really nice stuff there and am dying to see the grades:)

[Boo]

They were closed 3 days last week apparently. What day were they actually entered into the system? You might not be past your 5 day grace period.

My order is 2 day from being late. If I don't see anything by Friday, I'll be calling.


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[3pt]

can somebody explain this sentence?

Premium Service Levels (2, 5, and 10-day)- This service is required on all cards that are valued at $500 or more (ungraded, high Beckett book value).

Is this means every single card should be valued over $500? Or the total cards value?
What if I have 1 card over $500 and other 10 under $200?

so that is to say, if I only have 10 $80 cards, I have to use the non-gurantee level? What if I moved to other place during the 60 days? 60 days are 4 months.

[pejc300]

can somebody explain this sentence?

Premium Service Levels (2, 5, and 10-day)- This service is required on all cards that are valued at $500 or more (ungraded, high Beckett book value).

Is this means every single card should be valued over $500? Or the total cards value?
What if I have 1 card over $500 and other 10 under $200?

so that is to say, if I only have 10 $80 cards, I have to use the non-gurantee level? What if I moved to other place during the 60 days? 60 days are 4 months.

It means any card over $500 MUST be submitted at the 2, 5, or 10 day level. All other cards can be submitted at any level, but you can't submit a $500 card at the 20 to 6,000 day level (that's what I'm calling the unguaranteed service level)

[3pt]

It means any card over $500 MUST be submitted at the 2, 5, or 10 day level. All other cards can be submitted at any level, but you can't submit a $500 card at the 20 to 6,000 day level (that's what I'm calling the unguaranteed service level)

thanks for the explanation.

Actually for a card value more than $500, a $20 grading fee is not a big deal.

[rcgdodge]

Yeah, I guess that is true. They were "received" on 3/17/17 and "due" 3/31/17 according to the online system. But you're right, if I count actual business days (not including the 3 day closure last week), business day 15 is tomorrow. Crazy. I have been checking for my grades incessantly for the past 5 days - I probably should not even look until tomorrow evening but I have some really nice stuff there and am dying to see the grades:)

Mine were due the 31st too. Tomorrow will be the 5th day past the due date.

[Branesergen]

Or $10 for cards valued $149 or less with current special or $99 or less. Big big difference in price. They are very lax on these standards from my experience.

Please show me where you are seeing these prices. This is all I see for 10 day service:



REGULAR *
$18

Any card with a declared value under $500 must be submitted at this service level or higher.
ESTIMATED TURNAROUND: 10 Business Days


Any specials I see are 30 day or 5 day for $22. Am I supposed to wait a month for the next special? If I'm waiting months for specials I might as well be submitting to the 20-60 for less.

[rdleifriaf]

Are these pricing changes effective as of right now?

[dasiegel]

Maybe, we will have to wait and see. I don't think it will effect cards already graded. Those were graded under the old pricing model and therefore the supply is already there. Just because you paid "x" amount for grading doesn't mean I'll cover your cost of grading either.

Going forward, if there were fewer BGS cards (say 17/18 Prizm), this could cause those cards to spike a bit. It would be because fewer people graded due to the price increase, not because it costs more to grade though. Supply and Demand and such...

The supply is already there for cards that have already been released and graded. How many more people were going to submit Lebron Chrome RCs vs Lebron Chrome Rcs that are already graded?

Well I think it is both. Supply and demand in the sense that say with 17/18 Prizm there will be less cards submitted for grading in general at the new price and also in the sense that cards that are graded will have higher starting prices due to what sellers are paying for the card and the grading. Gems will be at a premium no matter how it is broken down.

I agree the older stuff might not change much but some older cards are still graded today and those could be affected.

[cornelljw]

Where is my Jordan crying meme at. 20 to 60 business days is a huge range damnit

[daeve]

Yeah I can see a small price bump, and a small turnaround bump. They just went full throttle. That's not very consistent, [business 101], not sure what was so wrong with their current model that such a drastic shift happened immediately... wouldn't be surprised if someone got axed

[TWard]

Where is my Jordan crying meme at. 20 to 60 business days is a huge range damnit



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[imbluestreak23]

Please show me where you are seeing these prices. This is all I see for 10 day service:



REGULAR *
$18

Any card with a declared value under $500 must be submitted at this service level or higher.
ESTIMATED TURNAROUND: 10 Business Days


Any specials I see are 30 day or 5 day for $22. Am I supposed to wait a month for the next special? If I'm waiting months for specials I might as well be submitting to the 20-60 for less.

Ah my mistake. I misread and assumed you were referring to 30 days.

30 day bulk sub = $10 per card (10 cards).

My last 30 day order was revived on the 1st of he month and popped on the 11th, so more like < 10 days, but of course that's not always the case.

[mrchipz]

I've been done with them since they ruined one of my cards without so much as a sorry coming from them.

You should post this in the baseball section.

didnt want to clog up the forums with it. but if you want to let the baseball forum know this poll is here id love to have the entire boards input on the poll.

[mrchipz]

Where is my Jordan crying meme at. 20 to 60 business days is a huge range damnit

tell me about it bro. and the price increase makes it not worth to grade cards under $50 really. too much bad with this one. all bad actually and no good at all for the consumer. no upgrades to the cases, no update to the website, no registry, no thing other then paying 50% more for the same service or waiting way longer and not getting a discount for submissions unless it is 50 or more cards now.

[cardking739]

That's a huge increase business wise. Everything goes up but you do it in increments over time. Nobody complains over the price of a pack of M&Ms being a dollar compared to a quarter 20 years ago because no one ever notices or cares because they're still willing to pay the price for what it is they want. You want to keep those who are your main base of profit happy. Sure you pull the rug out from under them to make a buck but you do it slowly, not all at once. What other thing off the top of your head has survived a 50% increase in their product besides gasoline prices back 6-7 years ago? Gasoline for your car and a hobby card aren't exactly in the same stratosphere.

[Jin]

60 business days?! LOL

[Kards]

The grading bubble may be upon us. At least for lower to middle end cards. It's getting to a point where you can't buy a $100 card and grade it to increase the overall value. If you are paying 30 percent of the value of the card just to get it graded, plus giving 13 percent to eBay and PayPal. It's become a whole lot tougher. Maybe the deals and specials will offset this but I don't see it.

Yes, prices tend to rise on everything. But I am willing to bet we see a decrease in what's being graded unless this changes...

[Branesergen]

So lets talk realistically vs emotionally for a minute here.

My last 30 card submission to PSA was 10 day service and cost $24 per card signed, sealed and delivered. Took 13 business days to ship and started 3 business days after receipt. So 16 business days to get my order shipped. Plus an extra day to get there and an extra day to get back as I live in Texas and CA is 3 day vs Texas being 2 day.

My last 31 card submission to BGS was 10 day service and cost $14.54 per card signed, sealed and delivered. Took 15 business days to ship and started the day after receipt. So 15 business days to get my order shipped.

My most recent 70 card submission to BGS was 10 day service and cost $12.04 per card signed, sealed and delivered. Took 16 business days to ship and started the day after receipt. So 16 business days to get my order shipped.

Yes there are realistically different turnaround times, 1 PSA shipped 2 days early, most have been on time or a day or 2 late. BGS the last 2 have been delayed but EVERY previous order was shipped on time but the norm, for me, is about the same - 10 business days and cards are shipped.

So realistically the turnaround time was the same and PSA cost upwards of $10 more per card. So is an $8 increase really going to affect many who are screaming PSA PSA PSA?

So for those screaming longer turn around times:

Realistically how long do you expect this backlog to last? Forever? OMG OMG OMG its going to take 4 months to get my cards back!!!! Really? Once the initial trimming of the fat is over and they get back on track and even ahead of the game, do you really think ALL orders are going to fall to the end of the time frame (60 days)???

[jmscoggin]

So lets talk realistically vs emotionally for a minute here.

My last 30 card submission to PSA was 10 day service and cost $24 per card signed, sealed and delivered. Took 13 business days to ship and started 3 business days after receipt. So 16 business days to get my order shipped. Plus an extra day to get there and an extra day to get back as I live in Texas and CA is 3 day vs Texas being 2 day.

My last 31 card submission to BGS was 10 day service and cost $14.54 per card signed, sealed and delivered. Took 15 business days to ship and started the day after receipt. So 15 business days to get my order shipped.

My most recent 70 card submission to BGS was 10 day service and cost $12.04 per card signed, sealed and delivered. Took 16 business days to ship and started the day after receipt. So 16 business days to get my order shipped.

Yes there are realistically different turnaround times, 1 PSA shipped 2 days early, most have been on time or a day or 2 late. BGS the last 2 have been delayed but EVERY previous order was shipped on time but the norm, for me, is about the same - 10 business days and cards are shipped.

So realistically the turnaround time was the same and PSA cost upwards of $10 more per card. So is an $8 increase really going to affect many who are screaming PSA PSA PSA?

So for those screaming longer turn around times:

Realistically how long do you expect this backlog to last? Forever? OMG OMG OMG its going to take 4 months to get my cards back!!!! Really? Once the initial trimming of the fat is over and they get back on track and even ahead of the game, do you really think ALL orders are going to fall to the end of the time frame (60 days)???

In a vacuum this all makes sense. However, you are ignoring the monthly specials. PSA has been offering far better deals of late than $24 per card. The last few months have had specials from $6-10 depending on year, return time and/or value, SGC has as well. BGS? Not so much.

Again, being local, I'd love nothing more than to use BGS. I've had a 100 card submission sitting on my desk for months waiting on decent pricing or a special, I've even called them on the phone with no luck. The 10/10/10 deal would have been ideal but not only hasn't it happened in forever, they are getting even more expensive. Maybe it works out for them but based on the prices they have listed, it will be SGC and/or PSA for me. Even after shipping and insurance, it will be cheaper than what I would pay dropping them off and picking them up myself at BGS.

[imbluestreak23]

The grading bubble may be upon us. At least for lower to middle end cards. It's getting to a point where you can't buy a $100 card and grade it to increase the overall value. If you are paying 30 percent of the value of the card just to get it graded, plus giving 13 percent to eBay and PayPal. It's become a whole lot tougher. Maybe the deals and specials will offset this but I don't see it.

Yes, prices tend to rise on everything. But I am willing to bet we see a decrease in what's being graded unless this changes...

I was trying to make every attempt to rationalize this yesterday in my mind, but I just can't do it. The above get's to the heart at what just took place yesterday.

Beckett has effectively reduced the size of the grading card market...overnight. By how much? Who knows, only time will tell. But last week, the size of the pie was 100% with large number of participants. Because of how cost prohibitive it is to grade cards now with Beckett, that pie just shrunk, and people just became priced out of the market overnight.

The new Bowman Baseball product is coming out in ~1 month. One of my primary focuses is to buy $20-$80 prospect cards in mass and grade. Using a $40 prospect card as an example, the price to grade for a 10 day turnaround is now $20 per card. BGS premiums do not typically double with 9.5s but for arguments sake, let's say 9.5's go for $80. Seller costs just went from $40+$20 grading fee + $2 auto fee +$2(shipping to and from BGS per card) + 13%(eBay paypal fees) or $10.40 = $77.40.

Congrats, a BGS 9.5 on that $40 card that you just luckily sold for $80 now net's you $2.60. Oh...wait...better offer free shipping or your DSRs will get dinged. You just LOST money!

For anyone that says that sellers will simply adjust their prices and pass the increase in grading fees to the consumer....that's not how an elastic demand product works. What makes you think that buyers will PAY the increase? What magically happened overnight to cause an increase in demand? Nothing. We aren't talking about cigarettes or gasoline or food, where product demand is inelastic. People don't need cards. People don't have to BUY your cards when there are millions available, priced competitively.

I for the life of me continue to struggle processing this decision.

[Archangel1775]

I've never sent anything in for grading to PSA or BGS. Looking at the price info,here are my thoughts.

Premium Service Levels (2, 5, and 10-day)- This service is required on all cards that are valued at $500 or more (ungraded, high Beckett book value). Cards submitted under any of the premium levels will receive guaranteed turnaround times and sub grades on all modern cards. .

I wouldn't want any less service level. It's worth $500...... $20 seems reasonable for 10 day service on that expensive of a card.

Non-Guaranteed Service Levels- This service level is not valid on any cards that are valued more than $500 Beckett (ungraded, high book value).

Again, why would anyone want a $500 card to be floating around Beckett for more than 2 weeks? Fair in my opinion.

This service level will not provide sub grades on modern cards (1981 and newer) that are deemed to receive a grade of 8 and below. Sub grades may be obtained for these cards at an additional cost.

I do have an issue with this, although most aren't submitting anything in lesser condition than an 8, I'd hate to get hit with another fee for an Exquisite Auto(condition sensitive) or something similar

This service level does not offer a guaranteed turnaround but will provide an estimated date of return in the range of 20-60 business days.

After some thought, maybe it makes everything easier during the grading flow allowing for better efficiency? You either have A or B......get this done within 10 days and everything else.
Beckett Grading reserves the right to upgrade cards to a premium level based on value. Please check any Beckett Magazine or online price guide to see the value

There should be a reference and the only black & white one is what they print. Sure it it's a conflict of interest but not many cards are worth $500.

I do have a problem with Shipping/insurance. The attempt to make a profit off it is apparently obvious and ridiculous.

[rookies]

I only buy graded, but I go BGS just because I personally like the look better. If everything here is true, then your anger is understandable though. But it still wouldn't prevent me from buying BGS.

This is me.

[Scottish Punk]

I was trying to make every attempt to rationalize this yesterday in my mind, but I just can't do it. The above get's to the heart at what just took place yesterday.

Beckett has effectively reduced the size of the grading card market...overnight. By how much? Who knows, only time will tell. But last week, the size of the pie was 100% with large number of participants. Because of how cost prohibitive it is to grade cards now with Beckett, that pie just shrunk, and people just became priced out of the market overnight.

The new Bowman Baseball product is coming out in ~1 month. One of my primary focuses is to buy $20-$80 prospect cards in mass and grade. Using a $40 prospect card as an example, the price to grade for a 10 day turnaround is now $20 per card. BGS premiums do not typically double with 9.5s but for arguments sake, let's say 9.5's go for $80. Seller costs just went from $40+$20 grading fee + $2 auto fee +$2(shipping to and from BGS per card) + 13%(eBay paypal fees) or $10.40 = $77.40.

Congrats, a BGS 9.5 on that $40 card that you just luckily sold for $80 now net's you $2.60. Oh...wait...better offer free shipping or your DSRs will get dinged. You just LOST money!

For anyone that says that sellers will simply adjust their prices and pass the increase in grading fees to the consumer....that's not how an elastic demand product works. What makes you think that buyers will PAY the increase? What magically happened overnight to cause an increase in demand? Nothing. We aren't talking about cigarettes or gasoline or food, where product demand is inelastic. People don't need cards. People don't have to BUY your cards when there are millions available, priced competitively.

I for the life of me continue to struggle processing this decision.

As Branesergen stated, this is probably a short term thing. When BGS gets caught up, they will offer $12 per card grading specials a few times a year. I can see them having an "opening day special" coinciding with your bowman release. Yes you will be coerced, i mean forced, to sign up in the Beckett Grading club. PSA does this now, you need to be a member to have access to good pricing for the most part. Besides you can sport a sweet ass BGS 10 T-shirt.

The issue is how much goodwill is Beckett going to lose and how many will start sending cards or not all to other companies. Collectors are crazy OCD, for each new batch of cards that is holdered by a particular company it is less likely they want to swap to another. I have 400-500 SGC graded cards, it is a lot harder for me to think about switching slabs when I am already invested in SGC.

[WaiverWire]

I was trying to make every attempt to rationalize this yesterday in my mind, but I just can't do it. The above get's to the heart at what just took place yesterday.

Beckett has effectively reduced the size of the grading card market...overnight. By how much? Who knows, only time will tell. But last week, the size of the pie was 100% with large number of participants. Because of how cost prohibitive it is to grade cards now with Beckett, that pie just shrunk, and people just became priced out of the market overnight.

The new Bowman Baseball product is coming out in ~1 month. One of my primary focuses is to buy $20-$80 prospect cards in mass and grade. Using a $40 prospect card as an example, the price to grade for a 10 day turnaround is now $20 per card. BGS premiums do not typically double with 9.5s but for arguments sake, let's say 9.5's go for $80. Seller costs just went from $40+$20 grading fee + $2 auto fee +$2(shipping to and from BGS per card) + 13%(eBay paypal fees) or $10.40 = $77.40.

Congrats, a BGS 9.5 on that $40 card that you just luckily sold for $80 now net's you $2.60. Oh...wait...better offer free shipping or your DSRs will get dinged. You just LOST money!

For anyone that says that sellers will simply adjust their prices and pass the increase in grading fees to the consumer....that's not how an elastic demand product works. What makes you think that buyers will PAY the increase? What magically happened overnight to cause an increase in demand? Nothing. We aren't talking about cigarettes or gasoline or food, where product demand is inelastic. People don't need cards. People don't have to BUY your cards when there are millions available, priced competitively.

I for the life of me continue to struggle processing this decision.

I am guessing this is exactly the kind of thing that BGS is trying to kill. People sending in $20-40 cards in mass, and seeing what hits.

[imbluestreak23]

I can see them having an "opening day special" coinciding with your bowman release. Yes you will be coerced, i mean forced, to sign up in the Beckett Grading club. PSA does this now, you need to be a member to have access to good pricing for the most part. Besides you can sport a sweet ass BGS 10 T-shirt.

I am not opposed to this model at all. Let's hope that they run some dang good specials! :)!

[Branesergen]

In a vacuum this all makes sense. However, you are ignoring the monthly specials. PSA has been offering far better deals of late than $24 per card. The last few months have had specials from $6-10 depending on year, return time and/or value, SGC has as well. BGS? Not so much.

Again, being local, I'd love nothing more than to use BGS. I've had a 100 card submission sitting on my desk for months waiting on decent pricing or a special, I've even called them on the phone with no luck. The 10/10/10 deal would have been ideal but not only hasn't it happened in forever, they are getting even more expensive. Maybe it works out for them but based on the prices they have listed, it will be SGC and/or PSA for me. Even after shipping and insurance, it will be cheaper than what I would pay dropping them off and picking them up myself at BGS.

The current 20-60 pricing is $10 for 1-50 cards. Right now PSA is $10 for 30 day. Kicking out the fact that once the fat is trimmed (and fat will be trimmed if his board is any indication) the service is going to be right around the same for the same price. There is a glut in submissions right now, hell my 70 card submission contained 15 $30 cards and 5 $3, yes three dollar cards, and once those are thinned out things will get back on track. Do people really think its going to take the full 60 days for submissions? This month, next month, maybe but after that I just don't see it. And even so - You're sitting with a stack waiting on a special - what looks to be a $10 10 day 10 card special - I've done submitted mine for $10 and got them back before you found out what the next special is that you're passing on to wait for the next. Is having them sit on your desk for 2 months better than getting them already graded in 2 months?

[jmscoggin]

You're sitting with a stack waiting on a special - what looks to be a $10 10 day 10 card special - I've done submitted mine for $10 and got them back before you found out what the next special is that you're passing on to wait for the next. Is having them sit on your desk for 2 months better than getting them already graded in 2 months?

Do not bring logic to this debate. I've asked myself this exact same thing many times and for the life of me don't understand why I've waited.

Wasn't offered $10 though, most are autos and the best I've been offered on the phone was $12 per and for the 30 day level. Even so, you're correct, I should have spent the couple of extra bucks and had them back long ago. It was just a mental roadblock for me as I was getting my other cards graded by SGC for half the price.

If only SGC would get a Five Star thickness slab, I wouldn't have to concern myself with PSA or BGS. Actually, that isn't entirely true if I'm being honest. I have a few cards like '13 BC Bryants that I don't dare risk sending to SGC. I'm sure they would sell well if they grade well but there is such a BGS premium for 9.5/10 chrome cards that I'd rather not play around. If PC, yes, SGC all the way for them but if intending to flip, I'd rather try to get a BGS gem. That's just playing to the market. I don't agree with it but I'm not going to fight it either.

[Branesergen]

Another thing to consider - yes you're paying $2 per auto but you're not paying shipping to and from. I guess you could claim gas? But in the long run it evens out. Now granted this is null right now with the backup but in a couple months when the smoke clears it will be a different story.

[Idol]

I will still grade with BGS.

BGS is simply taking a page out from PSA. The only difference is PSA outsells BGS by a 100 miles for any particular card.

I guess BGS has a nicer holder but the new PSA holders are stronger and more durable then BGS.

[Harper]

I feel like we need 2 polls. One for the businessmen and one for the hobbyists.
This change in the short run means less hobby folks will grade. Hard to grade a PC item at these prices, at least for me. And a 40 day window!!! No hobby guy who spends over $100 on grading is gonna be sane by day 60... guys who do this for money will still grade. And high grades will still sell well because or increased rarity of the BGS options on secondary market... but eventually that rarity is going to result in less familiarity with hobby folks and I think prices will eventually turn down. If there are 1000 psa 10 Jordan rookies would you pay twice as much for an SCG equivalent? I don't think most would even if there were only 100 SCG copies at top grade.

I think BGS will be just fine for the next year and then things will... slow down significantly for them

[Stat Monsters]

Every Grading Company has their published "Rate Card" full price as listed, and then they often run special discounted promotions.

But most also have their "Preferred Customer" rates either those who pay a membership fee or those who submit in mass volume (in the hundreds).

So, for Beckett, I'd like to know what the lowest rates are out there.

A friend of mine submits for us, and the rates used to be $5 per card, any card, except for autographs and oversized cards which a premium was added of $1 for autographs and then $5 for oversized.

They increased his rate to $6 per card, where it was $5 for the slow (I think 45 days) rate, and changed it to a 20 day faster turnaround for $6.

So, as of today, the best rate I hear BGS offer is $6 for grading a card.

[mrclean08]

I sent a message to BGS asking how much the additional fee to add sub grades to the Non Guaranteed Service Level is.

"Sub grades may be obtained for these cards at an additional cost" Will be interesting to see how much that additional cost is. I'm interested in submitting bulk submissions of 100+ more cards but don't want to pay $20/card.

[Branesergen]

I sent a message to BGS asking how much the additional fee to add sub grades to the Non Guaranteed Service Level is.

"Sub grades may be obtained for these cards at an additional cost" Will be interesting to see how much that additional cost is. I'm interested in submitting bulk submissions of 100+ more cards but don't want to pay $20/card.

Based on RCR subs I'd say around $3 per. Although wasnt it only $1 less to get cards graded without subs? So it may be $1. I'm going to stick with $3 as they may try to discourage people from doing it lol

[Chrisp253]

Looks like its time for a new dog in the fight.. i have an in on a legit slab machine from an inlaw who used to have his own grading service. He is too busy to do it anymore as he owns a large furniture company.. maybe i should get serious about it lol

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[cedar rapids]

Just more reasons to hate grading. Only do it when a mid to high card needs to be authenticated.

[mrclean08]

Based on RCR subs I'd say around $3 per. Although wasnt it only $1 less to get cards graded without subs? So it may be $1. I'm going to stick with $3 as they may try to discourage people from doing it lol

I assumed the same $3 fee too. I agree, it probably won't be $1 as like you said, they may want to discourage people from doing it.

If PSA only graded vintage Star Company basketball, I would have taken my business from BGS and gone to PSA.

[mcgahee21nfl]

been done with BGS for a longggg time. they have been a joke for about 10 yrs now.

[jjohnson814]

It's threads like this that make me want to sell off all my graded cards and only collect raw. Sigh.

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[duron]

I feel like we need 2 polls. One for the businessmen and one for the hobbyists.

Indeed, it's a point I'm surprised hasn't been brought up too often.

Part of that may be that tons of sellers are masquerading as collectors these days. (obviously there is ALWAYS crossover, I'm strictly referring to out-and-out sellers)

[jjohnson814]

Indeed, it's a point I'm surprised hasn't been brought up too often.

Part of that may be that tons of sellers are masquerading as collectors these days. (obviously there is ALWAYS crossover, I'm strictly referring to out-and-out sellers)
Yeah it's pretty clear the pure collector suffers the most from this. Sellers will just raise prices and continue to grade and flip. The increased costs are passed onto the collector.

[Harper]

What about cards without a price listed due to print run <5 for example.... who draws the line On what is worth >$500??? A 1/1 rookie logoman of lebron is probably not listed with a price but a 1/1 base of buck Williams doesn't either..... what about a 1/1 auto of a guy like penny or pippen or bird. What if it's from eminence vs totally certified.... sticker vs on carde


This seems like a ridiculous feature. No one is sending 500$ cards at 60 day service... why complicate things???

[Branesergen]

Yeah it's pretty clear the pure collector suffers the most from this. Sellers will just raise prices and continue to grade and flip. The increased costs are passed onto the collector.

Impossible unless the pure collector pays it. I'm not going to raise all my bins up by $8 to cover the costs unless I start getting offers of $8 more. Auctions aren't going to end $8 higher unless bidders factor it in. The sellers are most likely going to eat the costs as no card goes up $8 automatically.

[EricMetcalf21]

I bet you wont see a lot of low dollar cards with subgrades in the future.

Ohaiiiiiier!

[Devolution]

Between Panini's endless list of botched customer service incidents and grading corruption, I've vacated this dying hobby entirely. Not worth the bs anymore. BGS seems to be adding to the fire now.

[jcmint]

Psa usualy has the 45 day specials @ $6

With BGS new pricing structure I think alot of guys who used to stuff thier subs with $10-20 cards will stop subbing them. BGS ROI has shrunk from what they used to get. It just wont pay anymore to sub the lower end stuff. I will still grade but I am gonna be smarter about what I put thru

[drobfan8]

I just went to grade a card through comc, $22 for bgs grading at something crazy like over 2 months return time.
Yikes

[minnesotachill]

Had a BGS customer rep make a sales call to me today. Guys name was Bruce.

Was wanting me to pay for more grading orders. Told him I'd like a refund on my previous 2 orders if he ever wanted to do business with me again.

First order was 15 days past due date. 2nd one was 11 days past.

I find it amusing how they are trying to get more business when they can't even keep up with the orders they have now.:doh:

[sammyjankis]

I just went to grade a card through comc, $22 for bgs grading at something crazy like over 2 months return time.
Yikes

I graded a card through COMC at their $26 4-week level. Submitted 3/29, it popped into my COMC account tonight. 13 business days (including the recent BGS holidays) from when I submitted to COMC to when it was graded and back in my account.

My office is 5 minutes from BGS and the 10-day order I subbed in person on 3/27 took 13 business days until I could pick it up. Not a bad deal at all especially since grading on your own now at the 10-day level is $20/card.

[Chrisp253]

I graded a card through COMC at their $26 4-week level. Submitted 3/29, it popped into my COMC account tonight. 13 business days (including the recent BGS holidays) from when I submitted to COMC to when it was graded and back in my account.

My office is 5 minutes from BGS and the 10-day order I subbed in person on 3/27 took 13 business days until I could pick it up. Not a bad deal at all especially since grading on your own now at the 10-day level is $20/card.
So what youre saying is the reason beckett is running such slow returns is they are doing comcs subs priority over everyone else?

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[sammyjankis]

So what youre saying is the reason beckett is running such slow returns is they are doing comcs subs priority over everyone else?

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I don't think that's what I'm saying. I'm saying it's worth it to do their "4-week" service because they're probably getting a killer rate and using the 10-day service. With BGS guaranteed service times back and prices going up, COMC grading isn't a terrible alternative to subbing yourself.

[drobfan8]

I graded a card through COMC at their $26 4-week level. Submitted 3/29, it popped into my COMC account tonight. 13 business days (including the recent BGS holidays) from when I submitted to COMC to when it was graded and back in my account.

My office is 5 minutes from BGS and the 10-day order I subbed in person on 3/27 took 13 business days until I could pick it up. Not a bad deal at all especially since grading on your own now at the 10-day level is $20/card.

I've actually loved grading from COMC, but it was $14 for the first and then $12 per card after that for the 8 week turnaround and I've had a great run with grades.

But man, $22 is nuts.

Then the kicker is the Ausd exchange rate, it's about $1.35 to the US currently, an absolute killer, only a few years ago we were getting even money or even better.

[rj.cataldo]

I'm leaning towards stopping grading with Beckett, but mostly for different reasons. I went to the Fanatics show in March and brought a three high end cards for RCR. Two cards came back lower grades than anticipated, and the other they said was shaved/trimmed.

Now, I am not a person who expects 9.5s on everything, and on the card that was shaved trimmed (1998 Randy Moss Contenders) I wasn't expecting more than an 8. I brought the card back and said: "I don't understand. You are saying the card is trimmed, it measures perfectly, the area you said is shaved is level with the rest of the card, and it feels no different." The response I got was: "If the grader says it's trimmed, then it's trimmed".

I've had this card in my collection for over 15 years, and was quite confident it was not trimmed, so despite their assessment, I decided to bring it to PSA who is know to be tougher on card sizes, alterations, etc, and with no surprise the card was graded without issue. The card did grade a bit lower, but I was happy that

I have long supported BGS, and preferred BGS cases for modern cards, but I have noticed a slight drop in the quality of their grading, and the consistency of their grading. That more than anything else is what will prompt my switch.

[MJGOAT23]

I'm leaning towards stopping grading with Beckett, but mostly for different reasons. I went to the Fanatics show in March and brought a three high end cards for RCR. Two cards came back lower grades than anticipated, and the other they said was shaved/trimmed.

Now, I am not a person who expects 9.5s on everything, and on the card that was shaved trimmed (1998 Randy Moss Contenders) I wasn't expecting more than an 8. I brought the card back and said: "I don't understand. You are saying the card is trimmed, it measures perfectly, the area you said is shaved is level with the rest of the card, and it feels no different." The response I got was: "If the grader says it's trimmed, then it's trimmed".

I've had this card in my collection for over 15 years, and was quite confident it was not trimmed, so despite their assessment, I decided to bring it to PSA who is know to be tougher on card sizes, alterations, etc, and with no surprise the card was graded without issue. The card did grade a bit lower, but I was happy that

I have long supported BGS, and preferred BGS cases for modern cards, but I have noticed a slight drop in the quality of their grading, and the consistency of their grading. That more than anything else is what will prompt my switch.

the trimmed thing happens a lot. I swear, every other order I get one, which is so bogus because 1/2 the time the card was cracked from PSA so i know they're fine. I send them back and alas, they grade out. makes you wonder.

[rj.cataldo]

the trimmed thing happens a lot. I swear, every other order I get one, which is so bogus because 1/2 the time the card was cracked from PSA so i know they're fine. I send them back and alas, they grade out. makes you wonder.

The reason it aggravated me is it just demonstrates an utter lack of knowledge on the card, which is subject to bad chipping. It's pretty standard on most 1998 Contenders. I get it, grading is an opinion. Someone can say a card is a 9, while another grader might say it's a 9.5. But something like saying a card is altered, should come with some substantial evidence/proof of that conclusion.

For a company known to grade cards that are not sized properly and allow for factory difference (e.g., 1993 SP Jeter), it surprises me how they arrive at that conclusion. The unhelpful curt response I got just added on to it.