Where do PSA, BGS, SGC, and GMA Manufacture Their Slabs?

[NewVintageNY]

First I am not trying to start up my own grading company or encase cards to run anything sketchy. I am doing a paper similar to the report below. I would be better off burning my money then buying these cases empty because having cards in these that aren't a BGS, PSA, or SGC grade hurts the value.

http://kuafu.umd.edu/~ginger/research/JKL-EI-final.pdf

Now that we have that cleared up (hopefully) I am looking for the manufacturer of the cases for PSA, BGS, SGC, and GMA. I have been looking everywhere and can't find it. I will pay $10 per company for you to find me the info. After I call the manufacturer to confirm I will send over the money.

The reason for finding the manufacturer is to see what the case is made of and to see if any of them will hold up long term.

Baseball HOF Tackles Conservation for Collectibles With Revealing InformationSports Collectors Digest (http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/special-care-baseball-hof-says-no-to-slabbed-cards/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=scd-tab-nl-160602&utm_content=850266_SCD160602&utm_medium=email)

As it stands now the baseball hall of fame (who probably know's more than these companies) removes everything from any of their slabs because according to them they are concerned what the cases will do to the cards/auto's/etc long term. Furthermore, the grading card companies won't reveal any information when asked about long term effects so it's time to do some digging.

A lot of us are spending thousands of dollars on the regular to grade these cards but the museums and smartest guys in the room for preserving highly valuable items refuse to use any of the slabs we are spending a bunch of money on.

After I get the details from the manufacturers I am going to do a study on what case is actually the best case of the big 3 manufacturers and I added GMA because they appear to be the provider to all the sham graders on the market.

If there is already a study of this please send it over and it will save me lots of time but I will have to find a new study to do.

Rules are $10 to the first person that sends me to the right manufacturer. You get paid after I confirm they are the manufacturer. This applies to PSA, BGS, SGC, and GMA.

Let's avoid the oh if people know where to get slabs from there will be a bunch of fakes because the odds of someone spending the money, buying an ultra sonic welder, and perfectly ripping off the labels is not going to happen. If that happened which is less than 1% that company will be found out fast and ripped apart, sued, blah blah blah. They can already buy slabs from GMA for like $1-2 and use their own label. So if they want to do something sketchy it can already happen.

[Hornet21]

I would suggest the slabs are patented and manufactured out of china in order to achieve a scale of economics.

Have you tried looking them up on the patent registry?

[Hornet21]

Patent US6295750 - System for displaying cards - Google Patents (http://www.google.com/patents/US6295750)

Here's the BGS patent. It does touch very briefly on the UV protection.

[NewVintageNY]

Yes I have. For example, here is Beckett's who let their patent lapse

https://www.google.com/patents/US6295750

Also what a lot of people don't realize is it doesn't matter if they let their patent lapse because they created the label so it cannot be stolen and even if there is a copy cat they are not beckett. So let them slab away it will be pointless to do it.

The same goes for PSA. Copy the holder like GMA it doesn't matter. But I did review a lot of the patent and didn't see manufacturer info. Even if it's being made in china which it probably is that is fine.

[mrclean08]

Wow, I didn't know that the BGS holders had UV protection? That's really good to know.

[ninjacookies]

China/Taiwan

Says right on the stamps on the protective sleeves when they're shipped back.

Now guess why people are scared of forged slabs?

[NewVintageNY]

China/Taiwan

Says right on the stamps on the protective sleeves when they're shipped back.

Now guess why people are scared of forged slabs?

You don't forge a slab...You forge a grade and the label. GMA uses slabs just like PSA's. The slabs aren't the issue. But as I said in my opening question. This is not a if you get a slab you can fake grades because people can get slabs right from GMA for $1-$2 right now and put their own label in them. It's a dead issue.

As for BGS "UV Protection" look at the label on this product. It says 99% up to 5 years. Saying "UV Protection" is like saying low calorie or water resistant. After I speak to the manufacturer we are going to find out how UV protective they actually are.

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There is a big reason why the Baseball Hall of Fame takes items out of all of these slabs.

Yes it's obvious the slabs are produced overseas. Saying it comes from China/Taiwan doesn't really mean anything considering almost everything in the world we buy is manufactured in those countries. Manufacturer name is what we need.

BGS has been around since 1999. PSA has been around since like 1990. These companies have been around for less than 30 years. As the Hall of Fame and Museums have stated there is no way of knowing long term effects of having cards in the slabs and the grading card companies either don't know or won't comment. Why would they? They are making a ton of money.

[ninjacookies]

You don't forge a slab...You forge a grade and the label. GMA uses slabs just like PSA's. The slabs aren't the issue. But as I said in my opening question. This is not a if you get a slab you can fake grades because people can get slabs right from GMA for $1-$2 right now and put their own label in them. It's a dead issue.

As for BGS "UV Protection" look at the label on this product. It says 99% up to 5 years. Saying "UV Protection" is like saying low calorie or water resistant. After I speak to the manufacturer we are going to find out how UV protective they actually are.

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There is a big reason why the Baseball Hall of Fame takes items out of all of these slabs.

Yes it's obvious the slabs are produced overseas. Saying it comes from China/Taiwan doesn't really mean anything considering almost everything in the world we buy is manufactured in those countries. Manufacturer name is what we need.

BGS has been around since 1999. PSA has been around since like 1990. These companies have been around for less than 30 years. As the Hall of Fame and Museums have stated there is no way of knowing long term effects of having cards in the slabs and the grading card companies either don't know or won't comment. Why would they? They are making a ton of money.

Wrong choice of words. I meant duplicate the slabs. Which, I'm sure has already happened. When China already has the molds, it's just child's play.

[NewVintageNY]

Any of us can start a "grading" company right now. We can buy these slabs for a $1 a piece or cheaper if we order a bunch.

Grade Your Own Sports Cards Business (http://gmagrading.com/grade-sports-cards-business/)

This would be a complete waste of money because if you slab these cards and put a random label in there you just made the card worth less money. This is why I have no concern at all about finding the source of these slabs. People can already get their hands on these slabs easily. But it's pointless. They have no reputation at all and every will think it's a scam.

There needs to be public information on what these slabs from PSA, BGS, SGC, and GMA are made of and where they come from. If you have all of your expensive cards in these slabs wouldn't you want to know who has the best slab for preserving the card and if there are potential long term issues from having them in these slabs.

There is a huge red flag that museums and hall of fames won't use them. They are experts in preserving historical documents and artifacts and won't use the item we are all paying for to preserve these expensive cards.

[itsaboutcards]

BGS slabs are made in Taiwan.

If you call Beckett maybe they will say it's made on the moon hence why the long grading delays at the moment.

[duron]

Very interesting OP.

I guess the only thing I could add (or rather, ask) is if curators are removing cards from slabs because they are aware of an inevitable issue, are unsure of possible future issues and don't want to chance it, or simply want uniformity/rawness in presentation.

I'm ASSUMING that the 3rd possibility I'm posing is the least likely, although it could be a mixture of them all to some degree.

Curious to see if anyone could shed more of a definitive light on the entire issue.

[Doodlegrass]

I don't know how much this will help, but I looked into thermoplastic molding companies in china

maybe you could check out the following

WeiYuan Trade company (specialize in sports and toys, hottest lead I have for you)
Shenzen Ming Plastic Co
Kam Yuen Hung Industrial development ltd
Guangzhou Diechang Trade Co

good luck! I'll be interested to see where this goes

[NewVintageNY]

Still looking!