Countdown to passing MJ

[tjforce]

Now that Westbrook is done breaking the triple double record, the attention shifts to another record that very well may fall this year.

LeBron is 416 points away from passing some guy named Michael J. Jordan as the all time leader in career points scored in the playoffs.

If the Cavs make it a few rounds, the chances are good that LeBron breaks it, as he has scored at least 497 points the last 6 post seasons.

LeBron is also only 42 steals away from passing Scottie Pippen for the all-time playoff mark in that category. He has surpassed that total 2 different post seasons, including last year when he got 49 steals.

Should be fun to watch his barrel down on these records, especially it means the Cavs head back to the Finals for the third straight year.

[6celtics33]

33.4, wake me up when he passes that

[Goodbirger]

Wake me up when he gets six titles. Hell wake me up when he gets five ����

[exoticprince]

So OP is simply stating a simple fact that Lebron is about to pass MJ in total playoff points, which is an impressive accomplishment by anyone, and the first 2 comments are negative rather than simply acknowledging a great achievement soon to be reached. Smh.

[Braswell10]

33.4, wake me up when he passes that

Wake me up when he gets six titles. Hell wake me up when he gets five ����

I'll wake both of you up when he is the NBA's all time leading scorer. Just wait a few more years.

[6celtics33]

Ahahhhyaaa, so sleepy

[6celtics33]

Exotic, today is the first day of the playoffs and a 6-7 week barrage of endless Lebron slurp threads started by you guys. Sorry if I don't jump right into the first one and blow your boy with you.

[6celtics33]

This thread could be called Lebron is durable, Lebron plays in the East, Lebron plays a lot of playoff games and has a great team for the past 7 years. Those are the actual facts. Don't get mad at me if I don't adopt your all's spin on things.

[rhigh2390]

Also, Let's also forget the fact that he will have needed 40 more games to do it...

[AbraCalabro]

Exotic, today is the first day of the playoffs and a 6-7 week barrage of endless Lebron slurp threads started by you guys. Sorry if I don't jump right into the first one and blow your boy with you.

I can't wait for the playoffs to be over, just so we can get started on being rid of league talk. The league threads tend to linger like a bad odor for WEEKS, if not months, after the playoffs.

Let's also include that defense doesn't exist in today's league.

[cnewby]

This thread could be called Lebron is durable, Lebron plays in the East, Lebron plays a lot of playoff games and has a great team for the past 7 years. Those are the actual facts. Don't get mad at me if I don't adopt your all's spin on things.

So OPs stats are not "actual stats"? ........because reasons?

[6celtics33]

So OPs stats are not "actual stats"? ........because reasons?

No but those are the facts. You know facts right? What OP did was create a clickbait title and then when he gets a couple responses that he knows he's going to get, others come on and say man whyyyyyyy? Oh why?? I don't get it.

Do you guys really not get it? Lebron fans, especially on this board are some of the whiniest babies I've ever seen. Wanting constant validation for their hero. Look what he's done now everybody. He's the first such and such to have 1000 assists on Tuesday.

It's Day 1, lets pace ourselves.

[Goodbirger]

I'll wake both of you up when he is the NBA's all time leading scorer. Just wait a few more years.

Please do. And then we can remind you how many times he has failed in the finals. Sooooo great!

[cnewby]

No but those are the facts. You know facts right? What OP did was create a clickbait title and then when he gets a couple responses that he knows he's going to get, others come on and say man whyyyyyyy? Oh why?? I don't get it.

Do you guys really not get it? Lebron fans, especially on this board are some of the whiniest babies I've ever seen. Wanting constant validation for their hero. Look what he's done now everybody. He's the first such and such to have 1000 assists on Tuesday.

It's Day 1, lets pace ourselves.



Thats funny, I could've sworn I saw numerous stats in the OP.

Maybe dont click on the thread...

[Braswell10]

No but those are the facts. You know facts right? What OP did was create a clickbait title and then when he gets a couple responses that he knows he's going to get, others come on and say man whyyyyyyy? Oh why?? I don't get it.

Do you guys really not get it? Lebron fans, especially on this board are some of the whiniest babies I've ever seen. Wanting constant validation for their hero. Look what he's done now everybody. He's the first such and such to have 1000 assists on Tuesday.

It's Day 1, lets pace ourselves.

I like Lebron, but I am not trying to get people to validate him. I wish people would just be happy that they can watch him. He is a great player, and by the time he is done, will be in the top 5 (or higher) in every major category.

There are also two different views. Lebron fans may constantly boast, but on the other hand, Jordan fans feel they need to constantly defend MJ.

Just enjoy Lebron while he is here.

[Braswell10]

Please do. And then we can remind you how many times he has failed in the finals. Sooooo great!

I know you are new to the boards, so in case you didn't know, it is a team sport.

Also, please show me Lebron stats in the finals. I can only think of one time where he didn't play amazing and that was against Dallas. He is a beast in the finals. He can't win it all himself.

[6celtics33]

I do enjoy watching Lebron. I think his fans are insane.

[Braswell10]

I do enjoy watching Lebron. I think his fans are insane.

Everyone has crazy fans. I think Curry and Warrior fans are insane too.

[6celtics33]

I know you are new to the boards, so in case you didn't know, it is a team sport.

Also, please show me Lebron stats in the finals. I can only think of one time where he didn't play amazing and that was against Dallas. He is a beast in the finals. He can't win it all himself.

See this is where you lose me. When things go well Lebron is GOD and let's move him up the rankings. He's so good. When they don't, it's not his fault, it's a team game. It can't be both. I give him a pass against the Spurs the first time. I also give him one against GS the first time when everyone was hurt. But that's still 3-2 and 15-15 overall in the finals. It's not great. But you all dismiss every negative so it makes it hard to hear the positive propaganda machine constantly.

[6celtics33]

Everyone has crazy fans. I think Curry and Warrior fans are insane too.

We agree there

[Braswell10]

See this is where you lose me. When things go well Lebron is GOD and let's move him up the rankings. He's so good. When they don't, it's not his fault, it's a team game. It can't be both. I give him a pass against the Spurs the first time. I also give him one against GS the first time when everyone was hurt. But that's still 3-2 and 15-15 overall in the finals. It's not great. But you all dismiss every negative so it makes it hard to hear the positive propaganda machine constantly.

I understand what you are saying, but when I watch a Finals game, yes he makes mistakes, but when I watch him I think "Wow he is doing everything". More times than not it seems to be his teammates that let him down (most of the time).

[DajuanWagner]

No but those are the facts. You know facts right? What OP did was create a clickbait title and then when he gets a couple responses that he knows he's going to get, others come on and say man whyyyyyyy? Oh why?? I don't get it.

Do you guys really not get it? Lebron fans, especially on this board are some of the whiniest babies I've ever seen. Wanting constant validation for their hero. Look what he's done now everybody. He's the first such and such to have 1000 assists on Tuesday.

It's Day 1, lets pace ourselves.



Same can be said for Westbrook, Harden, and Giannis fans. They are just pumping their favorite player. No law against that, is there????

[I only pull for]

I understand what you are saying, but when I watch a Finals game, yes he makes mistakes, but when I watch him I think "Wow he is doing everything". More times than not it seems to be his teammates that let him down (most of the time).

His hand picked teammates let him down? Hmm, imagine that..
Tell that to Ray Allen and Dwyane Wade who carried him to 2 of those rings.

No one in the East will contend with the Cavs and it gets tiresome watching his hand picked super teams not face any real competition until the finals every year.

[IronMonkey415]

Wake me up when the playoff starts.

CAN'T WAIT!!!!

[k13]

I do enjoy watching Lebron. I think his fans are insane.

Jordan fans are probably worse....:o

[IronMonkey415]

They are the worst.

OH HEY I FORGOT TO PAY THE MOB. NO PROBLEM I'LL HAVE THEM KILL MY FATHER.
MY FANS STILL LOVE ME

Put on shades walk out.
Shawn Kemp would never do such a thing.

[TBarn291]

What a great accomplishment for Lebron. I get why some people don't like it, MJ is a legend, no one likes to see a legends record get broken. At least it's by the most deserving player since MJ.

[tjforce]

No but those are the facts. You know facts right? What OP did was create a clickbait title and then when he gets a couple responses that he knows he's going to get, others come on and say man whyyyyyyy? Oh why?? I don't get it.

Do you guys really not get it? Lebron fans, especially on this board are some of the whiniest babies I've ever seen. Wanting constant validation for their hero. Look what he's done now everybody. He's the first such and such to have 1000 assists on Tuesday.

It's Day 1, lets pace ourselves.

So pissy.

If you don't like this thread, stay out of it.

This wasnt' a LeBron > MJ thread so I won't even get into it.

This isn't some obscure "this guy is the first to finish top 10 in point, top 15 in rebounds, top 17 in steals, top 24 in blocks" thread.

When Steph broke the 3 pt record, Dubs fans got to rejoice.

When Westbrook got the triple double mark, fans got to enjoy.

So don't let the fact that LeBron passed all of the Celtics legends make you so angry that you have to try to tear everyone else down to, ok?

[exoticprince]

I've dealt with you at the hobby level and you're a good dude. But you're one bitter fan stuck in the 80's/90's. I grew up watching MJ too, but I've moved on and am enjoying basketball of the present. No need to blow Lebron bro we know you're busy on MJ. But I think you've dried him up by now, time to give him a rest

Exotic, today is the first day of the playoffs and a 6-7 week barrage of endless Lebron slurp threads started by you guys. Sorry if I don't jump right into the first one and blow your boy with you.

[tjforce]

I've dealt with you at the hobby level and you're a good dude. But you're one bitter fan stuck in the 80's/90's. I grew up watching MJ too, but I've moved on and am enjoying basketball of the present. No need to blow Lebron bro we know you're busy on MJ. But I think you've dried him up by now, time to give him a rest

Or he could just stay out of it.

I didn't go talk smack in the Boston Celtics thread when the Cavs embarrassed them a few weeks ago.

Nor did I troll the "I. Thomas is MVP" thread, despite how far off the title was.

Good for them, let them have fun with the success their team is having.

[AbraCalabro]

They are the worst.

OH HEY I FORGOT TO PAY THE MOB. NO PROBLEM I'LL HAVE THEM KILL MY FATHER.
MY FANS STILL LOVE ME

Put on shades walk out.
Shawn Kemp would never do such a thing.

Monkey, I think I like you, you have redeemed yourself for making that okc blunder thread.

[rats60]

I'll wake both of you up when he is the NBA's all time leading scorer. Just wait a few more years.

Wake me up when he holds 72 records not when he breaks his first one.

[roro17]

When Lebron stops being a pre-madona, plays with the flu, scores over 30+ in a season has 6 titles and doesn't need a 1 hour ESPN special to make his "Decision" then I'll consider him the best.

[tjforce]

Wake me up when he holds 72 records not when he breaks his first one.

OK:

1st place all-time in VORP - Value Over Replacement Player with (115.89).

(11.45) more than next player on the list Michael Jordan (104.44).

1st place all-time in Box Plus/Minus with (9.15).

(1.06) more than the next player on the list Michael Jordan (8.09).

1st place all-time in career assists by a forward with (7461).

(1326) more than next forward on the list Scottie Pippen (6135).

1st place all-time being named Conference Player of the Week with (54) nominations.

1st place all-time being named Conference Player of the Month with (34) nominations.

1st place all-time in points scored in All-Star games with (314).
1st place all-time in three-point field goals made in All-Star games with (31).
1st place all-time in field goals made in All-Star games with (129).
Only player in NBA history to record at least 28,000 points, 7,000 rebounds, and 7,000 assists.
Only player in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists for their career.[26]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, and 100 steals in four consecutive seasons.[27]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, and 100 steals in a single season for at least seven seasons.[28]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2,000 points, 500 rebounds, and 500 assists in a single season for at least seven seasons.[29]
Only player in NBA history to win the NBA Player of the Month Award four times in two consecutive seasons.[30]
Only player in NBA history to change teams after averaging at least 27 points, twice.[31]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists for 13 seasons.[32]
Only player in NBA history to record a triple-double with two different teams at Madison Square Garden versus the Knicks.[33]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points per game for 13 consecutive seasons.[34]
Only player in NBA history to be in the top 10 all-time in points and top 15 all-time in assists.[35]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists in a season for at least seven seasons.[36]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists and shoot .540 from field in a season (2016-17).

Only player in NBA History to win the NBA Player of the Month Award five times in a single season.[30]
Only player in NBA history to post 30 or more points and shoot over 60 percent for six consecutive games in a single season.[50]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 31 points, 19 rebounds, 8 assists, and 4 steals in a game.
Playoffs:
1st place all-time in Win Shares with (41.58).

(1.82) more than the next player on the list Michael Jordan (39.76).

1st place all-time in Box Plus/Minus with (10.69)

(0.57) more than the next player on the list Michael Jordan (10.12).

1st place all-time in VORP - Value Over Replacement Player with (26.84).

(3.99) more than next player on the list Michael Jordan (22.85)

1st place all-time being a leader in points, rebounds, and assists on (37) occasions.

(24) more games than next player on the list Larry Bird (13).

1st place all-time for scoring average in game 7s with 33.2 points per game.
1st place all-time for scoring average in elimination games with 32.8 points per game.[57]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 20 points with (176).
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 10 assists with (15).[58]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 25 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists with (96).[59][60]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with (39).[59][61]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists with (62).
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with (28).[62][63]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 20 points and 10 rebounds while also accounting for at least half of his team's assists with 17.[64]
T-1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 10 assists with (8).
Only player in NBA history to average 28 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists in their playoff career.[68]
Only player in NBA history to be in the top 10 all time in career playoff points, rebounds, assists and steals.
Only player in NBA history to be in the top 5 all-time in career playoff points, assists, and steals.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 5,000 points, 1,500 rebounds, and 1,000 assists in their playoff career.
Only player in NBA history to play 20 playoff games in (6) consecutive seasons.
Only player in NBA history to score at least 25 points in 16 consecutive playoff games in a single postseason.[71][72]
Only player in NBA history to score at least 25 points in 14 consecutive playoff games in a single postseason, multiple times.[71][72]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 500 points, 200 rebounds, and 150 assists in a single postseason, multiple times.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 600 points, 200 rebounds, and 150 assists in a single postseason.
Only player in NBA history to lead both teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals in a playoff series (2016 NBA Finals vs. Golden State Warriors).[73]
Only player in NBA history to lead both teams in points, rebounds, assists in a playoff series (twice, 2015 and 2016 NBA Finals vs. Golden State Warriors)
Only player in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 9 assists in a playoff series (2015 Conference Finals vs. Atlanta Hawks).
Most consecutive points scored for a team in a playoff game with 25 consecutive points at the Detroit Pistons on May 31, 2007.[75]
Only player in NBA history to score at least 49 points in a playoff game for two different franchises.[76]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 37 points, 18 rebounds, and 13 assists in a playoff game.
1st place all-time for triple-doubles with at least 30 points in the NBA Finals with 3.
1st place all-time for three-point field goals attempted in the NBA Finals with 167.
1st place all-time for three-point field goals made in the NBA Finals with 64.
1st place all-time for most NBA Finals games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with 8.
Most points scored in first three games with 123 in the 2015 NBA Finals.
Most points scored in the final three games of an NBA Finals with 109 in Games 5, 6, and 7.
Most points per game scored by a player on the winning team in any seven-game NBA Finals series with 29.7.
1st place all-time for most points scored and assisted per game in an NBA Finals series with 57.7[82]
T-1st place all-time for points scored in an NBA Finals Game 1 loss with 44.

Tied with Shaquille O'Neal.

Only player in NBA history to score at least 40 points and record at least half of his team's assists in an NBA Finals game.

James achieved this twice in a single NBA Finals series.[85]

Only player in NBA history to record at least 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, and 4 steals in an NBA Finals game.[86]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 11 assists in an NBA Finals game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 32 points, 18 rebounds, and 9 assists in an NBA Finals game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 41 points, 16 rebounds, and 7 assists in an NBA Finals game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 41 points, 8 rebounds, 11 assists, 4 steals, and 3 blocks in an NBA Finals game.

Youngest player records

James owns numerous NBA "youngest player" records. He is the youngest1

To be selected #1 overall draft pick (18 years of age).[citation needed]
To be named NBA Rookie of the Year (19 years of age).[citation needed]
To score most points by prep-to-pro player in their professional debut with (25)
To record a triple-double (20 years, 20 days).[95]
Recorded 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists on January 19, 2005 vs. Portland Trail Blazers.
To record a triple-double in the playoffs. (21 years, 113 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists on April 22, 2006 vs. Washington Wizards.
To score 30 points in a game (18 years, 334 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 33 points on November 29, 2003 vs. Memphis Grizzlies
To score 40 points in a game (19 years, 88 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 41 points on March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey Nets.
To score 2,000 points in a season (2004–05).[citation needed]
To average at least 30 points per game in the NBA.
To be awarded All-NBA honors (2004–05).[citation needed]
To be named to the All-NBA first team (21 years, 138 days).[citation needed]
To win an All-Star Game MVP (21 years, 55 days).[citation needed]
To lead the league in All-Star voting (22 years, 26 days).[citation needed]
To score 2,000 points in seven consecutive seasons (26 years of age).[citation needed]
To win Most Valuable Player award four times (28 years of age).[citation needed]
To reach 4,000 playoff points (29 years of age).[96]
To reach 5,000 playoff points (30 years of age).
Every thousand point milestone from 1,000 to 28,000.


So obviously, most of these are quite specific; it was just a copy paste from his Wikipedia page, but you get the point.

[6celtics33]

Just to be clear, I'm a Bird and Russell fan. I don't have any affiliation or love fest with this current Celtics team. I think it's pretty cool that they could get the 1 seed and the #1 pick. I think they have done pretty good with their circumstances but I have no delusions about them winning anything. As for the Celtic legends that Lebron has passed, I have no idea what that means so I'm not mad about any of that. If you can find 1 of my posts in a Celtics thread or talking about Isiah thomas of the Celtics it will be news to me.

As for the rest of the insults, good stuff. I like it.

[bdoody42]

Classy basketball thread like normal....

[tjforce]

Just to be clear, I'm a Bird and Russell fan. I don't have any affiliation or love fest with this current Celtics team. I think it's pretty cool that they could get the 1 seed and the #1 pick. I think they have done pretty good with their circumstances but I have no delusions about them winning anything. As for the Celtic legends that Lebron has passed, I have no idea what that means so I'm not mad about any of that. If you can find 1 of my posts in a Celtics thread or talking about Isiah thomas of the Celtics it will be news to me.

As for the rest of the insults, good stuff. I like it.

So why see this thread and immediately start trolling?

[rats60]

OK:

1st place all-time in VORP - Value Over Replacement Player with (115.89).

(11.45) more than next player on the list Michael Jordan (104.44).

1st place all-time in Box Plus/Minus with (9.15).

(1.06) more than the next player on the list Michael Jordan (8.09).

1st place all-time in career assists by a forward with (7461).

(1326) more than next forward on the list Scottie Pippen (6135).

1st place all-time being named Conference Player of the Week with (54) nominations.

1st place all-time being named Conference Player of the Month with (34) nominations.

1st place all-time in points scored in All-Star games with (314).
1st place all-time in three-point field goals made in All-Star games with (31).
1st place all-time in field goals made in All-Star games with (129).
Only player in NBA history to record at least 28,000 points, 7,000 rebounds, and 7,000 assists.
Only player in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists for their career.[26]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, and 100 steals in four consecutive seasons.[27]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, and 100 steals in a single season for at least seven seasons.[28]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2,000 points, 500 rebounds, and 500 assists in a single season for at least seven seasons.[29]
Only player in NBA history to win the NBA Player of the Month Award four times in two consecutive seasons.[30]
Only player in NBA history to change teams after averaging at least 27 points, twice.[31]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists for 13 seasons.[32]
Only player in NBA history to record a triple-double with two different teams at Madison Square Garden versus the Knicks.[33]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points per game for 13 consecutive seasons.[34]
Only player in NBA history to be in the top 10 all-time in points and top 15 all-time in assists.[35]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 7 rebounds, and 7 assists in a season for at least seven seasons.[36]
Only player in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists and shoot .540 from field in a season (2016-17).

Only player in NBA History to win the NBA Player of the Month Award five times in a single season.[30]
Only player in NBA history to post 30 or more points and shoot over 60 percent for six consecutive games in a single season.[50]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 31 points, 19 rebounds, 8 assists, and 4 steals in a game.
Playoffs:
1st place all-time in Win Shares with (41.58).

(1.82) more than the next player on the list Michael Jordan (39.76).

1st place all-time in Box Plus/Minus with (10.69)

(0.57) more than the next player on the list Michael Jordan (10.12).

1st place all-time in VORP - Value Over Replacement Player with (26.84).

(3.99) more than next player on the list Michael Jordan (22.85)

1st place all-time being a leader in points, rebounds, and assists on (37) occasions.

(24) more games than next player on the list Larry Bird (13).

1st place all-time for scoring average in game 7s with 33.2 points per game.
1st place all-time for scoring average in elimination games with 32.8 points per game.[57]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 20 points with (176).
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 10 assists with (15).[58]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 25 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists with (96).[59][60]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 25 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with (39).[59][61]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists with (62).
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with (28).[62][63]
1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 20 points and 10 rebounds while also accounting for at least half of his team's assists with 17.[64]
T-1st place all-time for playoff games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 10 assists with (8).
Only player in NBA history to average 28 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists in their playoff career.[68]
Only player in NBA history to be in the top 10 all time in career playoff points, rebounds, assists and steals.
Only player in NBA history to be in the top 5 all-time in career playoff points, assists, and steals.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 5,000 points, 1,500 rebounds, and 1,000 assists in their playoff career.
Only player in NBA history to play 20 playoff games in (6) consecutive seasons.
Only player in NBA history to score at least 25 points in 16 consecutive playoff games in a single postseason.[71][72]
Only player in NBA history to score at least 25 points in 14 consecutive playoff games in a single postseason, multiple times.[71][72]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 500 points, 200 rebounds, and 150 assists in a single postseason, multiple times.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 600 points, 200 rebounds, and 150 assists in a single postseason.
Only player in NBA history to lead both teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals in a playoff series (2016 NBA Finals vs. Golden State Warriors).[73]
Only player in NBA history to lead both teams in points, rebounds, assists in a playoff series (twice, 2015 and 2016 NBA Finals vs. Golden State Warriors)
Only player in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 9 assists in a playoff series (2015 Conference Finals vs. Atlanta Hawks).
Most consecutive points scored for a team in a playoff game with 25 consecutive points at the Detroit Pistons on May 31, 2007.[75]
Only player in NBA history to score at least 49 points in a playoff game for two different franchises.[76]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 37 points, 18 rebounds, and 13 assists in a playoff game.
1st place all-time for triple-doubles with at least 30 points in the NBA Finals with 3.
1st place all-time for three-point field goals attempted in the NBA Finals with 167.
1st place all-time for three-point field goals made in the NBA Finals with 64.
1st place all-time for most NBA Finals games with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists with 8.
Most points scored in first three games with 123 in the 2015 NBA Finals.
Most points scored in the final three games of an NBA Finals with 109 in Games 5, 6, and 7.
Most points per game scored by a player on the winning team in any seven-game NBA Finals series with 29.7.
1st place all-time for most points scored and assisted per game in an NBA Finals series with 57.7[82]
T-1st place all-time for points scored in an NBA Finals Game 1 loss with 44.

Tied with Shaquille O'Neal.

Only player in NBA history to score at least 40 points and record at least half of his team's assists in an NBA Finals game.

James achieved this twice in a single NBA Finals series.[85]

Only player in NBA history to record at least 40 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, and 4 steals in an NBA Finals game.[86]
Only player in NBA history to record at least 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 11 assists in an NBA Finals game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 32 points, 18 rebounds, and 9 assists in an NBA Finals game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 41 points, 16 rebounds, and 7 assists in an NBA Finals game.
Only player in NBA history to record at least 41 points, 8 rebounds, 11 assists, 4 steals, and 3 blocks in an NBA Finals game.

Youngest player records

James owns numerous NBA "youngest player" records. He is the youngest1

To be selected #1 overall draft pick (18 years of age).[citation needed]
To be named NBA Rookie of the Year (19 years of age).[citation needed]
To score most points by prep-to-pro player in their professional debut with (25)
To record a triple-double (20 years, 20 days).[95]
Recorded 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists on January 19, 2005 vs. Portland Trail Blazers.
To record a triple-double in the playoffs. (21 years, 113 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 32 points, 11 rebounds, and 11 assists on April 22, 2006 vs. Washington Wizards.
To score 30 points in a game (18 years, 334 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 33 points on November 29, 2003 vs. Memphis Grizzlies
To score 40 points in a game (19 years, 88 days).[citation needed]
Recorded 41 points on March 27, 2004 vs. New Jersey Nets.
To score 2,000 points in a season (2004–05).[citation needed]
To average at least 30 points per game in the NBA.
To be awarded All-NBA honors (2004–05).[citation needed]
To be named to the All-NBA first team (21 years, 138 days).[citation needed]
To win an All-Star Game MVP (21 years, 55 days).[citation needed]
To lead the league in All-Star voting (22 years, 26 days).[citation needed]
To score 2,000 points in seven consecutive seasons (26 years of age).[citation needed]
To win Most Valuable Player award four times (28 years of age).[citation needed]
To reach 4,000 playoff points (29 years of age).[96]
To reach 5,000 playoff points (30 years of age).
Every thousand point milestone from 1,000 to 28,000.


So obviously, most of these are quite specific; it was just a copy paste from his Wikipedia page, but you get the point.

I said NBA records not made up records.

[tjforce]

I said NBA records not made up records.

Hence my comment about most of these quite specific.... but my point is still made.


I'd like to see your list of 72 records and see if they all pass the stiff test.

[EMD34]

Damn, you guys are mad.

No one was mad whenever Kobe passed Jordan in scoring, I think that's because no one saw him as a threat to Jordan's GOAT status. People have to discredit everything LeBron does because they know he is a threat.

[rhigh2390]

Damn, you guys are mad.

No one was mad whenever Kobe passed Jordan in scoring, I think that's because no one saw him as a threat to Jordan's GOAT status. People have to discredit everything LeBron does because they know he is a threat.

Nobody was upset because Kobe fans knew he wasn't Jordan. People get upset about lebron because it is only his fanboys and himself that think he can still get to Jordan status. It's just annoying, not a theat to Jordan's GOAT status. Maybe somebody will pass Jordan sometime, but there are too many blemishes already on lebrons resume for him to pass him. It's his fans and his attitude that ruin the fun of watching him. A hint to being great is not having to always tell people you're great or having to be told how great he is by his fans. It's lebron fans that are the insecure ones that constantly want validation instead of just letting people enjoy him.

[Braswell10]

When Lebron stops being a pre-madona, plays with the flu, scores over 30+ in a season has 6 titles and doesn't need a 1 hour ESPN special to make his "Decision" then I'll consider him the best.

But then he wouldn't be Lebron:confused:

Edit: Oh, and he already has averaged 30+ in a season.

[Braswell10]

Nobody was upset because Kobe fans knew he wasn't Jordan. People get upset about lebron because it is only his fanboys and himself that think he can still get to Jordan status. It's just annoying, not a theat to Jordan's GOAT status. Maybe somebody will pass Jordan sometime, but there are too many blemishes already on lebrons resume for him to pass him. It's his fans and his attitude that ruin the fun of watching him. A hint to being great is not having to always tell people you're great or having to be told how great he is by his fans. It's lebron fans that are the insecure ones that constantly want validation instead of just letting people enjoy him.

Lol. Lebron is the greatest all around player of all time.

[6celtics33]

Nobody was upset because Kobe fans knew he wasn't Jordan. People get upset about lebron because it is only his fanboys and himself that think he can still get to Jordan status. It's just annoying, not a theat to Jordan's GOAT status. Maybe somebody will pass Jordan sometime, but there are too many blemishes already on lebrons resume for him to pass him. It's his fans and his attitude that ruin the fun of watching him. A hint to being great is not having to always tell people you're great or having to be told how great he is by his fans. It's lebron fans that are the insecure ones that constantly want validation instead of just letting people enjoy him.

Exactly, it's mindless buffoonery. I mean that Wikipedia post is all the evidence you need. I doubt if I was talking to Lebron he would say "But you know I'm the only guy to average this many points and shoot this high FOR 6 consecutive games!" He probably doesn't even know that. Or touting he's the all time leader in all star scoring after they scored what? 390 or something last year. Yeah that means a lot. Player of the month awards, etc. I couldn't even read it all. So much of it is just filler nonsense. So I'll say again, tell me to watch and enjoy Lebron all you want... I already do that. I'm a basketball fan. I weigh the positive WITH the negative. And if any of you all don't like that then tough. And I'll click on and comment on any thread I desire. Thank you very much. But as long as you all take 1 side and forget the other when comparing Lebron to the greats of history (not Westbrook or Giannis or Curry) but History, if you don't look at both, this is the reaction you will get and no amount of 2nd place finishes or gold stars or player of the month certificates to put on the fridge will change that.

[rhigh2390]

Lol. Lebron is the greatest all around player of all time.

Lol ok.

[tjforce]

Nobody was upset because Kobe fans knew he wasn't Jordan. People get upset about lebron because it is only his fanboys and himself that think he can still get to Jordan status. It's just annoying, not a theat to Jordan's GOAT status. Maybe somebody will pass Jordan sometime, but there are too many blemishes already on lebrons resume for him to pass him. It's his fans and his attitude that ruin the fun of watching him. A hint to being great is not having to always tell people you're great or having to be told how great he is by his fans. It's lebron fans that are the insecure ones that constantly want validation instead of just letting people enjoy him.

I don't recall making this a Lebron is better than Jordan thread.

But Lebron is going to pass him in playoff scoring..... unless you want to make a bet against that. If so, name your price.

[tjforce]

Exactly, it's mindless buffoonery. I mean that Wikipedia post is all the evidence you need. I doubt if I was talking to Lebron he would say "But you know I'm the only guy to average this many points and shoot this high FOR 6 consecutive games!" He probably doesn't even know that. Or touting he's the all time leader in all star scoring after they scored what? 390 or something last year. Yeah that means a lot. Player of the month awards, etc. I couldn't even read it all. So much of it is just filler nonsense. So I'll say again, tell me to watch and enjoy Lebron all you want... I already do that. I'm a basketball fan. I weigh the positive WITH the negative. And if any of you all don't like that then tough. And I'll click on and comment on any thread I desire. Thank you very much. But as long as you all take 1 side and forget the other when comparing Lebron to the greats of history (not Westbrook or Giannis or Curry) but History, if you don't look at both, this is the reaction you will get and no amount of 2nd place finishes or gold stars or player of the month certificates to put on the fridge will change that.

The wiki quote was in response to the "72 records MJ has"

These records aren't for career points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, triple doubles, MVP awards,etc.

I'm sure some are very legit... career ppg, finals MVP etc, but my point was if you can find 72 records for MJ you can find a few for Lebron too

[rhigh2390]

I don't recall making this a Lebron is better than Jordan thread.

But Lebron is going to pass him in playoff scoring..... unless you want to make a bet against that. If so, name your price.

As far as the Jordan/lebron comment, that was in response to another post. Not the thread.

And I'd hope if he is so great and has 45 more games the Jordan that he can pass him. How far was he behind at 179 games (which is how many Jordan played)? Gotta compare apples to apples.

[tjforce]

As far as the Jordan/lebron comment, that was in response to another post. Not the thread.

And I'd hope if he is so great and has 45 more games the Jordan that he can pass him. How far was he behind at 179 games (which is how many Jordan played)? Gotta compare apples to apples.


No, I don't, because this thread wasn't titled "Lebron is going to average more PPG than MJ" or "Lebron is a better playoff scorer than MJ", it was discussing the fact that he is going to score more career playoff points.

I can't tell you who has the most Home Runs per ABs in baseball, but I know Bonds has the most Home Runs.

Can't tell you who has the most TD passes per playoff game in the NFL, but I know Brady has the most overall.

And I can tell you that right now, MJ has the most points, but not for very long, no matter how much you want to discredit it.

[Chrisp253]

Are any of you really convinced that a triple double is as hard to get today as it was during the 90s hayday? Ill tell ya one thing.. rodman wasnt falling over himself to let jordan gather easy rebounds out of his lap.

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[6celtics33]

Rats was talking about Wilt btw with the 72 records

Baseball is built on career #s, milestones that lock you for the hall of fame. Basketball does not. It's impressive sure but I doubt you have Stockton and Malone ranked ahead of Magic and Bird all time. If you do, feel free to correct me.

[tjforce]

Rats was talking about Wilt btw with the 72 records

Baseball is built on career #s, milestones that lock you for the hall of fame. Basketball does not. It's impressive sure but I doubt you have Stockton and Malone ranked ahead of Magic and Bird all time. If you do, feel free to correct me.

Thank you for the clarification on the top part...

But if you would stop for a second and think about what I am saying here, I never made this a Lebron> Jordan thread.....it's a few Bron haters (not necessarily you) that have turned it into that.


You prove my point by inferring that Magic>Stockton, even though Stockton broke his assist mark. Stockton can still be celebrated, it's okay to have both.

[6celtics33]

One of those things says "only player to score at least 49 points for 2 different franchises in a playoff game"

That's some interesting wording. Does Lebron have even 1 50 point playoff game?

[cedar rapids]

LeBron will get at least 5. Guaranteed.

[tjforce]

One of those things says "only player to score at least 49 points for 2 different franchises in a playoff game"

That's some interesting wording. Does Lebron have even 1 50 point playoff game?

Don't know, didn't ready every thing in that list....

You are missing the point.

[6celtics33]

Thank you for the clarification on the top part...

But if you would stop for a second and think about what I am saying here, I never made this a Lebron> Jordan thread.....it's a few Bron haters (not necessarily you) that have turned it into that.


You prove my point by inferring that Magic>Stockton, even though Stockton broke his assist mark. Stockton can still be celebrated, it's okay to have both.

I get it man. Honestly after I made the 2nd post in the thread I was going to be done. But when Exoticprince commented on my comment I lost my mind for some reason. I don't know.

[6celtics33]

Don't know, didn't ready every thing in that list....

You are missing the point.

I'm really not missing it. It was just a question.

[tjforce]

I'm really not missing it. It was just a question.

Glad you finally caught up because you were missing the point early on.

Maybe there is a Celtics or a mailday showoff thread you can go be a positive contributor towards?

[6celtics33]

no I'm gonna stick around this one.

[8collector34]

Are any of you really convinced that a triple double is as hard to get today as it was during the 90s hayday? Ill tell ya one thing.. rodman wasnt falling over himself to let jordan gather easy rebounds out of his lap.

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Neither did this guy.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/2005/karl-malone/rebound.jpg

[Chrisp253]

Neither did this guy.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/2005/karl-malone/rebound.jpg
Right i thought of malone and barkley.. shaq.. etc... first but rodman played with mj so figured he was a better example

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[Andy5]

Good stuff by Lebron but you have to wonder how many more points MJ could've had if he played as many playoff games as Lebron. Lebron has currently played 20 more playoff games.

[jj2]

Celtics should write a book - How to turn a thread into a dumpster fire in one easy post.

[tjforce]

Celtics should write a book - How to turn a thread into a dumpster fire in one easy post.

We're not allowed to celebrate LeBron here on Blowout without anyone flinging poo all over the place.

[tke1600]

This thread could be called Lebron is durable, Lebron plays in the East, Lebron plays a lot of playoff games and has a great team for the past 7 years. Those are the actual facts. Don't get mad at me if I don't adopt your all's spin on things.

Didn't Jordan play in the East too?

[6celtics33]

Celtics should write a book - How to turn a thread into a dumpster fire in one easy post.

I may do that. Always enjoy your thoughts. You bring a lot to the discussion table.

Tke1600.... Yes he played in a slightly different east that wasn't a cake walk to get out of resulting in more games played for Lebron. As noted before he's 20 playoffs games ahead of Jordan already and still 400 whatever points behind. So make of that what you will.

But this isn't a Jordan Lebron thread so let's not discuss it. Just celebrate Lebron. Celebrate good times.

[tjforce]

I may do that. Always enjoy your thoughts. You bring a lot to the discussion table.

Tke1600.... Yes he played in a slightly different east that wasn't a cake walk to get out of resulting in more games played for Lebron. As noted before he's 20 playoffs games ahead of Jordan already and still 400 whatever points behind. So make of that what you will.

But this isn't a Jordan Lebron thread so let's not discuss it. Just celebrate Lebron. Celebrate good times.

Yep. You finally get it.


Anyways, focusing on what this thread is about, 32 pts and 3 steals for Bron today.

[YuppieMonkey]

"No need to blow Lebron bro we know you're busy on MJ."

Zing! Lol.

Beyond what some idiots think, this will be a great accomplishment for Lebron and absolutely thread worthy. What a great milestone!

[hofcollector2]

He won't get out of the first round....

[Nyfancam01]

people get SO AFRAID AND UPSET they start bringing up the "OMGZ LIKE 6 TITLES OMGZ 6-0 OMGZ CATCH UP TO 6 RINGS" hahahahhaa

it's a TEAM sport. Jordan had a BETTER system and team.

JAMES is the overall better player! #'s won't lie when it's all said and done!

LEBRON JAMES IS THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME! deal with it!

[cornelljw]

How many games has Lebron played in the playoffs compared to MJ? How many series has Lebron played in the playoffs compared to MJ? MJ is the type of player that rarely allowed series to go 7 games. Lebron seems to do that on the regular especially in the finals.

[Andy5]

How many games has Lebron played in the playoffs compared to MJ? How many series has Lebron played in the playoffs compared to MJ? MJ is the type of player that rarely allowed series to go 7 games. Lebron seems to do that on the regular especially in the finals.

Lebron had played 20 more playoff games than MJ before last night. Still is a few hundred points behind. That in itself is why people consider MJ a great, not because of his totals. I think you do have to consider how many more playoff games MJ would've played had he not retired or had a great team around him.

[hairyangryfella]

people get SO AFRAID AND UPSET they start bringing up the "OMGZ LIKE 6 TITLES OMGZ 6-0 OMGZ CATCH UP TO 6 RINGS" hahahahhaa

it's a TEAM sport. Jordan had a BETTER system and team.

JAMES is the overall better player! #'s won't lie when it's all said and done!

LEBRON JAMES IS THE GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME! deal with it!
Cam, to avoid you thinking that I'm simply trolling you, I'm purely going to post facts.

Regarding your comment about having the better system and team, Lebron formed a super team with the Heat, then went back to the Cavs and effectively formed another one. It seems like Lebron has had the better system, at least later in his career.

Regarding Lebron being the better overall player, what is this based on?
For their careers, Jordan averaged more points, steals and the same amount of blocks, in less minutes. So if being great both offensively and defensively doesn't make you an overall better player, what does?
Also, Lebron is 6'8" and plays forward, yet only averages 1.1 RPGs more than the 6'6" guard, Jordan. The one category Lebron clearly leads in is assists, at 1.7 more. However, his lower scoring average and the evolution of the game to be higher scoring compared to when Jordan played, could make that a moot point.
You say that numbers won't lie when it's all said and done, yet when you're strong and durable like Lebron is, and starting from a very young age (19), of course you're likely to rack up all the numbers. Jordan started at age 21, missed 4 seasons due to retirement/baseball, and played under 20 games in two others (his second season and the year he came back from baseball). At age 32, Lebron has played only 11 games less than Jordan did in his whole career, so of course he should surpass him in some categories. Longevity does not make you make you the greatest.

Congrats to Lebron for having a long, successful career, that still has a fair bit to be played.

[Nyfancam01]

Cam, to avoid you thinking that I'm simply trolling you, I'm purely going to post facts.

Regarding your comment about having the better system and team, Lebron formed a super team with the Heat, then went back to the Cavs and effectively formed another one. It seems like Lebron has had the better system, at least later in his career.

Regarding Lebron being the better overall player, what is this based on?
For their careers, Jordan averaged more points, steals and the same amount of blocks, in less minutes. So if being great both offensively and defensively doesn't make you an overall better player, what does?
Also, Lebron is 6'8" and plays forward, yet only averages 1.1 RPGs more than the 6'6" guard, Jordan. The one category Lebron clearly leads in is assists, at 1.7 more. However, his lower scoring average and the evolution of the game to be higher scoring compared to when Jordan played, could make that a moot point.
You say that numbers won't lie when it's all said and done, yet when you're strong and durable like Lebron is, and starting from a very young age (19), of course you're likely to rack up all the numbers. Jordan started at age 21, missed 4 seasons due to retirement/baseball, and played under 20 games in two others (his second season and the year he came back from baseball). At age 32, Lebron has played only 11 games less than Jordan did in his whole career, so of course he should surpass him in some categories. Longevity does not make you make you the greatest.

Congrats to Lebron for having a long, successful career, that still has a fair bit to be played.

those "missed" years from MJ were not due to lack of love for the game or retirement....... he was under the table SUSPENDED. :)!

and i'm a UNC basketball fan big time... Glad jordan hit the shot or whatever against G-Town back in the day but he was definitely suspended for gambling, or PEDS or something.

[rhigh2390]

those "missed" years from MJ were not due to lack of love for the game or retirement....... he was under the table SUSPENDED. :)!

and i'm a UNC basketball fan big time... Glad jordan hit the shot or whatever against G-Town back in the day but he was definitely suspended for gambling, or PEDS or something.

I literally laugh everytime someone posts this. It has to be about the most rediculous view by some on the boards. You just hate MJ and it's clear. I don't care if you or anyone else hates MJ, but at least just hate him based on facts. There is absolutely 0% chance that his gambling had any involvement with his father's death or his retirement. Not to mention your PED claim... Are you kidding me? If anyone is taking PED's, it's lebron but of course they won't do anything about it because he's the face of the league right now and the NBA needs all the help it can get to stay relevant.

Troll on like you always do, but try something new and use some common sense.

Back to the thread.

[tjforce]

To clearly state where I stand, I watched Michael's best days (some games even live) and I've watched LeBron's. I still have Michael #1 with LeBron the next best player I've seen in my life at this point.

It's just hard to post threads about Michael breaking records anymore, but I watched it 20 years or so ago and enjoyed it then, so why not enjoy LeBron doing it now.

[rhigh2390]

To clearly state where I stand, I watched Michael's best days (some games even live) and I've watched LeBron's. I still have Michael #1 with LeBron the next best player I've seen in my life at this point.

It's just hard to post threads about Michael breaking records anymore, but I watched it 20 years or so ago and enjoyed it then, so why not enjoy LeBron doing it now.

Totally fine with anyone enjoying their favorite player's breaking records. Not saying you in particular, but most of the lebron fans on this forum think that when lebron passes Jordan for a record, that just means he is getting that much closer to passing him, which I don't get. As Celtics said earlier in the thread, the NBA isn't like baseball or football where you judge who was the best by who has the most of something. Nobody has Dirk as the 6th greatest player of all time since he is 6th in points.

By the time lebron is done, he should hold almost every record because he will have played the most out of anyone possibly. Most lebron fans say his numbers are his greatness, but want to leave out the part that he should pass everyone else because he will have played more than everyone else. I just don't get how that isn't factored into the minds of his fans. But again, I completely understand if anyone likes a certain player, definitely enjoy watching him break records! Just try to also keep it in perspective and context.

As I've said before, I have lebron probably around 7 or 8 right now, but could possibly have him #2 or #3 if he gets 3 or 4 more titles and is the leader of those teams. There are already too many blemishes on his resume to ever have him #1 of all time, but that's not really a knock on someone to say they were #2 or #3 of all time at doing what they do. Lebron fans are the only ones that take that as hate.

[exoticprince]

You can't just say it's cuz he will have played the longest, his career averages will also be pretty impressive. I don't think anyone will ever replace MJ as the greatest ever, I grew up watching MJ and I know he's untouchable. But Lebron will likely retire as the best all around player to have ever played, but not the greatest. MJ will forever hold that title and no one is taking that away.

Totally fine with anyone enjoying their favorite player's breaking records. Not saying you in particular, but most of the lebron fans on this forum think that when lebron passes Jordan for a record, that just means he is getting that much closer to passing him, which I don't get. As Celtics said earlier in the thread, the NBA isn't like baseball or football where you judge who was the best by who has the most of something. Nobody has Dirk as the 6th greatest player of all time since he is 6th in points.

By the time lebron is done, he should hold almost every record because he will have played the most out of anyone possibly. Most lebron fans say his numbers are his greatness, but want to leave out the part that he should pass everyone else because he will have played more than everyone else. I just don't get how that isn't factored into the minds of his fans. But again, I completely understand if anyone likes a certain player, definitely enjoy watching him break records! Just try to also keep it in perspective and context.

As I've said before, I have lebron probably around 7 or 8 right now, but could possibly have him #2 or #3 if he gets 3 or 4 more titles and is the leader of those teams. There are already too many blemishes on his resume to ever have him #1 of all time, but that's not really a knock on someone to say they were #2 or #3 of all time at doing what they do. Lebron fans are the only ones that take that as hate.

[robert0629]

To clearly state where I stand, I watched Michael's best days (some games even live) and I've watched LeBron's. I still have Michael #1 with LeBron the next best player I've seen in my life at this point.

It's just hard to post threads about Michael breaking records anymore, but I watched it 20 years or so ago and enjoyed it then, so why not enjoy LeBron doing it now.

Enjoy it if you like but I doubt it's going to come with much fanfare. This isn't like Aaron passing Ruth for the most career home runs. I'm sure the announcers will mention it and there will be articles written about it but in the end it's not really that big of a deal. I watched every playoff game MJ ever played and I can't even remember when he broke the record for most playoff points or who he passed. In baseball, stats mean a lot more than they do in basketball, but even Kareem passing Wilt was bigger than this will ever be. Basketball will always be about winning championships. If LeBron wins seven rings then that will be a big deal. The only number in terms of points scored that LeBron could achieve in a playoff game that fans and media would make a big deal about would be 64 points in a game.

[vto47]

I wouldn't be surprised if LBJ passes MJ on both regular season all time points scored and playoff points scored. I won't be surprised if he broke other records as well with regards to rebounds, assist etc bec he's still rock solid at his point in his career. his body is simply amazing and every year I think he should've suffered some minor injury at least, he doesn't seem to break down. i'll give him that. (just that unfortunately)

[tjforce]

Welp, here we are.....

72 points behind MJ. He also passed him for 2nd all time in steals today. Only 18 behind Pippen for first.

He may or may not pass MJ in this series, but if not it should happen in Game 1 of the Finals.

Fun to watch as a Cavs fan.

[BigZigBoom]

I'm old. I have not had this much fun watching basketball since MJ played for the Bulls. LeBron is incredible.

[Litwing]

Wake me up when lbj level the playoffs points with mj and at that same point he gets his 7th champions.

[Chrisp253]

Just realize isaiah thomas was averaging more points per game than lebron heading into this series.... in todays no defense.. 7 games series from opening round on.. that #@#@#@#@ means absolutely zilch.

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[Chrisp253]

The fact that the celtics had the best record in the east and they just got beat by like 50 tells you all you need to know about how weak the east is.

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[tjforce]

The fact that the celtics had the best record in the east and they just got beat by like 50 tells you all you need to know about how weak the east is.

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I know one team in the East that's pretty strong:D

[tjforce]

Wake me up when lbj level the playoffs points with mj and at that same point he gets his 7th champions.

I forgot... a record is only impressive if you set every single one of them.

And wake Kahwi up when it's time to watch the NBA Finals from his couch in two weeks.

[drobfan8]

I forgot... a record is only impressive if you set every single one of them.

And wake Kahwi up when it's time to watch the NBA Finals from his couch in two weeks.

Don't get too carried away.

Kawhi has a finals MVP and a 4-1 spanking of LeBron under his belt. LeBron will be very glad to not have to face him.

[tjforce]

Don't get too carried away.

Kawhi has a finals MVP and a 4-1 spanking of LeBron under his belt. LeBron will be very glad to not have to face him.

Yeah, and LeBron's beat Kawhi in the Finals too, also getting an MVP. Unfortunately the Spurs haven't been back since, losing to the Thunder in the second round, and let's not forget the Clippers in the first round.

Actually part of me thinks that the Spurs could be just as much of a challenge in the Finals as the Warriors.

Sure, the Warriors have more talent, but the Spurs have someone would defend LeBron as well as anyone in the league, better bigs, and the best coach in the league.

It's pick your position with either of those teams really.


Really hoping Kahwi gets back healthy tomorrow and show's what he's got. I said earlier that I'm watching him closely to see what I really think of him this playoffs, whether he's a top 2 Super Star with 'great of the game' potential or not, or if he's a top 5 player of the moment right now, which is very impressive also. Jury is still out, much in part to Zaza's dirty play.

[Andy5]

Tremendous feat by Lebron, his longevity never ceases to amaze me. I always think he'll break down soon but he seems to be getting stronger and more durable each season.

Crazy to me that MJ has more playoff points in 30 less games played.

[yiguiri2002]

I think LeBron has already establish himself as the 2nd best player ever. And this is coming from someone who can't stand the guy.

Having both records (steals and points), regardless of the number of games and circumstances, is impressive.

[6celtics33]

I would imagine he's got 1600-2000 playoff points ahead of him so he might bury this record the way of cy young's wins record.

[yiguiri2002]

I would imagine he's got 1600-2000 playoff points ahead of him so he might bury this record the way of cy young's wins record.

No way he gets that much. You're talking about 3 more postseasons averaging 25+ points.

[6celtics33]

Barring injuries I don't see why not. The Cavs will be going deep every year. He might not be at 25ppg in year 3 but he should be closer to 30 next year.

[6celtics33]

Maybe not if they keep sweeping the east

[CubKings]

I don't see him passing MJ as much of an accomplishment. He has what, like 30 more games played and still not ahead yet.

MJs only playoffs averaging less than 30 was his first playoffs with 29 PPG. And a high of 43.7. He has a career 33.4 average in 30 less games played....

Also, 6-0.

[tjforce]

I don't see him passing MJ as much of an accomplishment. He has what, like 30 more games played and still not ahead yet.

MJs only playoffs averaging less than 30 was his first playoffs with 29 PPG. And a high of 43.7. He has a career 33.4 average in 30 less games played....

Also, 6-0.

By that logic Kareem's regular season record isn't much of an accomplishment either. He played 500 more games than MJ.

Stockton's steal and assists records? Must not be that impressive, since he did it in 300 more games.

Hakeem's blocks record? Well he had less blocker per game than Mark Eaton and Manute Bol... so not that impressive, right?

I think you get my drift.

[Braswell10]

If LeBron holds almost every major record and has 5 rings by the end of his career, I don't know how he can not be considered the GOAT.

[tjforce]

If LeBron holds almost every major record and has 5 rings by the end of his career, I don't know how he can not be considered the GOAT.

Because Jordan was that good.

I can see a scenario where they are neck and neck and forever debatable who is the best ever, but it's hard to imagine ANYONE ever hands-down passing MJ

[Braswell10]

Because Jordan was that good.

I can see a scenario where they are neck and neck and forever debatable who is the best ever, but it's hard to imagine ANYONE ever hand-down passing MJ

I understand, but come on. Many people are acting like records don't matter.

[tjforce]

I understand, but come on. Many people are acting like records don't matter.

They do. And the argument that "Passing MJ in 30 more games played is meaningless" loses credibility once you realize that Lebron blows MJ's playoff marks out of the water in Rebounds, Assists and Blocks.

But MJ is MJ. I doubt we'll ever see anybody that blows him out of the water.

[gamer4l1fe]

6/0 is the number that matters most. You play to win championships and Jordan has an unblemished Finals record and LeBron has a losing record in the Finals right now.

[ninjacookies]

The good ol' quality vs. quantity debate.

[tjforce]

6/0 is the number that matters most. You play to win championships and Jordan has an unblemished Finals record and LeBron has a losing record in the Finals right now.

The unblemished part is the dumbest argument to make, in this sport and in football.

So you're trying to tell me that a 22 year old Lebron carrying the Cavs to the NBA Finals, but losing to a very good Spurs teams is somehow worse than MJ's 23 year old season (I won't count his 22 year season since he was hurt) where the Bulls got swept out of the playoffs?

Would Lebron somehow be better if instead of 3-4 in the Finals he was 3-0, but had been swept out of the first round those other 4 years?

The 6 part is what matters. Right now Jordan definitely has the advantage right now. But if LeBron gets there, it doesn't matter if they are 6-0 or 6-8, because like you said, "You play to win championships".

[JMarchand1981]

The unblemished part is the dumbest argument to make, in this sport and in football.

So you're trying to tell me that a 22 year old Lebron carrying the Cavs to the NBA Finals, but losing to a very good Spurs teams is somehow worse than MJ's 23 year old season (I won't count his 22 year season since he was hurt) where the Bulls got swept out of the playoffs?

Would Lebron somehow be better if instead of 3-4 in the Finals he was 3-0, but had been swept out of the first round those other 4 years?

The 6 part is what matters. Right now Jordan definitely has the advantage right now. But if LeBron gets there, it doesn't matter if they are 6-0 or 6-8, because like you said, "You play to win championships".

The unblemished debate is the same as Brady/Montana except that Brady has one more ring than Montana. Good, bad or indifferent, there will always be this debate in some variation.

[6celtics33]

There was plenty more to Jordan than the fact that he went 6-0 in the finals

[tjforce]

There was plenty more to Jordan than the fact that he went 6-0 in the finals

Absolutely.... which is why the 6-0 argument is lame.

Heck, if that's all were gonna base it on then maybe Robert Horry should be the GOAT. He was 7-0 in the Finals.

[drobfan8]

The unblemished part is the dumbest argument to make, in this sport and in football.

So you're trying to tell me that a 22 year old Lebron carrying the Cavs to the NBA Finals, but losing to a very good Spurs teams is somehow worse than MJ's 23 year old season (I won't count his 22 year season since he was hurt) where the Bulls got swept out of the playoffs?

Would Lebron somehow be better if instead of 3-4 in the Finals he was 3-0, but had been swept out of the first round those other 4 years?

The 6 part is what matters. Right now Jordan definitely has the advantage right now. But if LeBron gets there, it doesn't matter if they are 6-0 or 6-8, because like you said, "You play to win championships".

The 2007 NBA finals, what a joke.

LeBron and the Cavs were there because the East was a joke.

The Cavs would have finished 6th in the West and played the Spurs first round. Context is cool.

It's weird how nobody gives J. Kidd any love for taking a team of nobodies to the finals TWICE!

It's because the East was pathetic.

[drobfan8]

Fyi I'm not a huge fan of the MJ was 6 and 0 either.

I just wish he played every season he could have. He'd HAVE to have another chip or 2 surely.

[drobfan8]

I'm also not a huge fan of people banging on about LeBron's total stats and then not even mentioning KAJ, EVER! It's remarkable.

[tjforce]

I'm also not a huge fan of people banging on about LeBron's total stats and then not even mentioning KAJ, EVER! It's remarkable.

This really wasn't meant to be a thread debating who is the best ever....

It was a thread stating the fact that LeBron is soon to pass MJ in Playoff points, which really can't be debated.

[drobfan8]

This really wasn't meant to be a thread debating who is the best ever....

It was a thread stating the fact that LeBron is soon to pass MJ in Playoff points, which really can't be debated.

It's really an inevitable stat though, just like Kobe passing MJ in total points.

I mean, Jordan did it in 30 less games or whatever.

[rhigh2390]

It's really an inevitable stat though, just like Kobe passing MJ in total points.

I mean, Jordan did it in 30 less games or whatever.

That's my thought on it as well. Any record that lebron, kobe, or any others pass MJ in is all fine and cool but I think the convo will always end with "ya, that's cool but he's still not MJ."

[Braswell10]

That's my thought on it as well. Any record that lebron, kobe, or any others pass MJ in is all fine and cool but I think the convo will always end with "ya, that's cool but he's still not MJ."

Well Lebron is Lebron. He is not trying to be MJ.

[drobfan8]

Well Lebron is Lebron. He is not trying to be MJ.

Is that why he wears #23?

[jj2]

Is that why he wears #23?

Is Draymond Green trying to be MJ?

[drobfan8]

Is Draymond Green trying to be MJ?

Ah, the old answer a question with another question deflection.

He probably has the same hard on for MJ that LeBron does.

[cypher]

Is there anything more cringe worthy than Lebron bandwagoners trying to pass Jordan? Just stop, this is the worst playoffs in the history of the NBA, it doesn't help Lebron's legacy.

[6celtics33]

Lol, he's not trying to be Jordan they say

"I'm chasing that ghost. He played in Chicago"

-Lebron

Must be Gene Banks or Jerry Sloan he's trying to compete with

[Nyfancam01]

Lebron Passes Jordan in yet ANOTHER statistical category !!!!

[6celtics33]

Fancam in the house.

If we combined Bird's shooting, Magic's court vision, Jordan's killer instinct, wilts athletic ability and put it into Shaq's body circa 2000, would that Frankenstein of a ball player be able to lead a team past Lebron??

Probably not right fancam?

[Nyfancam01]

Fancam in the house.

If we combined Bird's shooting, Magic's court vision, Jordan's killer instinct, wilts athletic ability and put it into Shaq's body circa 2000, would that Frankenstein of a ball player be able to lead a team past Lebron??

Probably not right fancam?

Just depends if that team was in the east or west :)!

[6celtics33]

Probably true

[cnewby]

Fancam in the house.

If we combined Bird's shooting, Magic's court vision, Jordan's killer instinct, wilts athletic ability and put it into Shaq's body circa 2000, would that Frankenstein of a ball player be able to lead a team past Lebron??

Probably not right fancam?

So, LeBron vs LeBron?

[oldgoldy97]

So, explain it to me again...why do the basketball boards get a bad rap?

[6celtics33]

So, LeBron vs LeBron?

Rrrrrrrrightttttt

[MJGOAT23]

Absolutely.... which is why the 6-0 argument is lame.

Heck, if that's all were gonna base it on then maybe Robert Horry should be the GOAT. He was 7-0 in the Finals.

It should go without saying that it is titles won, as the leader of the team:coffee:

[GC1980]

Tell me again how passing someone's scoring totals but taking 30 more games to do it is special?

Not sure why Lebron fans feel this burning need to always try and find ways to compare him to MJ. Just enjoy your guy.

[hermanotarjeta]

I've finally realized the nature of the lebron v. jordan debate.

And it's a problem with the millenials.

Millenial - I've seen lebron highlights on my cellphone - and his stats show that he's good, the greatest of all time.

GenX - he's good, but he doesn't install fear in the hearts of his opponents like jordan did. Jordan will always be the greatest.

Millenial - I didn't realize there was a fear stat. I've seen the Jordan brand shoes on amazon and just cause a guy played against aliens on vintage cartoons doesn't mean he's the GOAT. Excuse me, I've got to snapchat my friend while i'm instagraming my other friend. Oh wait, that'll be after I finish watching the last episode of orange is the new black. Wait, what were you talking about?

[Birdmandig]

One thing lebron will never have is that wonderful 1990's WGN intro with the music and the bulls stampede video, man that tickles my jolly's!

[6celtics33]

I've finally realized the nature of the lebron v. jordan debate.

And it's a problem with the millenials.

Millenial - I've seen lebron highlights on my cellphone - and his stats show that he's good, the greatest of all time.

GenX - he's good, but he doesn't install fear in the hearts of his opponents like jordan did. Jordan will always be the greatest.

Millenial - I didn't realize there was a fear stat. I've seen the Jordan brand shoes on amazon and just cause a guy played against aliens on vintage cartoons doesn't mean he's the GOAT. Excuse me, I've got to snapchat my friend while i'm instagraming my other friend. Oh wait, that'll be after I finish watching the last episode of orange is the new black. Wait, what were you talking about?

Lol, bingo

[6celtics33]

One thing lebron will never have is that wonderful 1990's WGN intro with the music and the bulls stampede video, man that tickles my jolly's!

Me too, it makes my heart skip a beat.

[yiguiri2002]

People misinterpret the 6-0 thing all the time.

It's not LeBron's fault that he's 3-4 in the Finals. And yes, being 3-0 and being beaten in the ECF the other 4 times instead of reaching the Finals is the same thing.

But then your remember people bringing up him X consecutive times in the Finals as a symbol of greatness. Well, that record in the Finals show that he makes it that far as a result of playing in a weaker conference. You can't use one without acknowledging the other.

I think most importantly is seeing how effective they were when they were title contenders. Jordan Bulls had a 8 year window and they didn't win the title twice (90 and 95). LeBron's teams had the same 8 year window (last 8 seasons) and they won the titles 3 times. More of a knock on LeBron, that shows how incredible Jordan was and how big the gap still is.

[MJGOAT23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1QSVygsL_o

drops mic

[Starman101]

That's my thought on it as well. Any record that lebron, kobe, or any others pass MJ in is all fine and cool but I think the convo will always end with "ya, that's cool but he's still not MJ."

This

I salute Lebron for his longevity and agree Lebron is an All-Time Great

However Jordan IS the GOAT

There's a huge difference and always will be

[Orangejello727]

The unblemished part is the dumbest argument to make, in this sport and in football.

So you're trying to tell me that a 22 year old Lebron carrying the Cavs to the NBA Finals, but losing to a very good Spurs teams is somehow worse than MJ's 23 year old season (I won't count his 22 year season since he was hurt) where the Bulls got swept out of the playoffs?

Would Lebron somehow be better if instead of 3-4 in the Finals he was 3-0, but had been swept out of the first round those other 4 years?

The 6 part is what matters. Right now Jordan definitely has the advantage right now. But if LeBron gets there, it doesn't matter if they are 6-0 or 6-8, because like you said, "You play to win championships".

By your standards Jim Kelly should be ranked as one of the best ever in football because he made the Super Bowl so many times but never won it? Losing in the finals doesn't make you great. For some reason Lebron fans love to celebrate losing as if its an accomplishment. Coming in 2nd is not an accomplishment. Coming in second is the same thing as every other placement below 1st. You get nothing for it.

6 for 6 is better than 4 for 10. or 6 for 12 or 8 for 32. No matter who you slice it.

[cnewby]

By your standards Jim Kelly should be ranked as one of the best ever in football because he made the Super Bowl so many times but never won it? Losing in the finals doesn't make you great. For some reason Lebron fans love to celebrate losing as if its an accomplishment. Coming in 2nd is not an accomplishment. Coming in second is the same thing as every other placement below 1st. You get nothing for it.

6 for 6 is better than 4 for 10. or 6 for 12 or 8 for 32. No matter who you slice it.

Is 6 for 6 better than 99 for 100? :coffee:

[tjforce]

Is 6 for 6 better than 99 for 100? :coffee:

And by this logic Hakeem's 2 for 2 would be better than Duncan's 5 for 6 or so.

[6celtics33]

And by this logic Hakeem's 2 for 2 would be better than Duncan's 5 for 6 or so.

A... Hakeem is 2/3 see 86
B. No one has ever went 99/100 so good try on that one

Using outlandish fake scenarios don't help your argument

[robert0629]

One thing that I don't often hear talked about in the whole Jordan vs. LeBron debate is the fact that LeBron has an advantage in that he came after Jordan. So he knows exactly what he's chasing.

When Jordan first came up he was the ultimate scorer, but many fans and sports writers viewed him as a selfish player and believed he would never win like Magic and Bird did. Of course he proved everybody wrong. But these were the two players he was chasing especially Magic. The drive to be better than these two was interrupted for a couple of years when he stepped away from the game after his father passed. After returning to the game it would take him only three seasons to best Magic's five championships. After that he had nothing left to prove and stepped away again. But what if Magic had won six or seven championships? My guess is Jordan would have stuck around longer to pass that number and in the process added to his stats.

The advantage that players like Kobe and LeBron have is they know the big number for them to go after is the six championships that Jordan won. Kobe stuck around as long as he could, but came up short in the end. I believe LeBron will do the same to try and reach that mark. All the while he will accumulate stats and move pass Jordan in several stat categories. These numbers are impressive but I wouldn't put much stock in them. The regular season matters little in the NBA. Even playoff stats don't matter much. You have to win and the big number LeBron is going after is six. If LeBron can get there in a reasonable number of years then I believe the Jordan vs. LeBron debate could get interesting.

[tjforce]

A... Hakeem is 2/3 see 86
B. No one has ever went 99/100 so good try on that one

Using outlandish fake scenarios don't help your argument

Good call on Hakeem.

But I still don't know why so many Jordan fans are turning this into a Jordan>Lebron post.

I created this thread and I agree with that. I'm also part of the minority here that have see both of them play, live, in big playoff games.

But it doesn't change the fact that in the next 2-3 games Lebron will be the all time scoring playoff leader. And as a fan of Lebron and basketball, I'm going to enjoy it!!!:flex:

[TBarn291]

I'll be happy to see him get another record as a Cav. As someone who has been watching basketball since the 80's, I say Lebron and Jordan are the best players I've ever watched. Jordan is better than Lebron in some aspects, and Lebron is better than Jordan in others. I don't care how "insignificant" a stat is, passing MJ in anything is an amazing accomplishment. People act like taking more games to do it makes it meaningless lol. That is just silly. If it were that easy to do then why is Lebron the first to do it? There have been plenty of other talented players to come straight out of High school, and yet Lebron is the only one to come close.

[6celtics33]

I agree with all of that. It drives me nuts when I hear all the reasons explained away why Russell won 11 titles.

His team was great, ok well they were pushed to 10 game 7s somehow and he went 10-0 in those games posting a 30 point and 40 rebound game in one.

Also if it was his teammates why is he the only one with 11.

Also if it was so easy because of fewer teams or series why is he the only one to do it.

I agree with you in regard to Lebron. I said earlier he has probably 1600-2000 left in him so the mark will be put away for our life most likely. It is impressive.

[6celtics33]

I think the difference in the top 7 or so players is so razor thin that any argument to be made for one over the other is going to sound dumb to the people who don't agree. You could pick a name out of a hat of Jordan magic bird Lebron Kareem Russell wilt and it would be hard to not be happy

[robert0629]

I agree with all of that. It drives me nuts when I hear all the reasons explained away why Russell won 11 titles.

His team was great, ok well they were pushed to 10 game 7s somehow and he went 10-0 in those games posting a 30 point and 40 rebound game in one.

Also if it was his teammates why is he the only one with 11.

Also if it was so easy because of fewer teams or series why is he the only one to do it.

I agree with you in regard to Lebron. I said earlier he has probably 1600-2000 left in him so the mark will be put away for our life most likely. It is impressive.

Russell was amazing. He's one of those players where stats don't even come close to doing him justice. He was a defensive genius.

I remember reading an article where he talked about his matchups with Wilt. He said he never tried to stop Wilt as he knew that wasn't possible. He just tried to make him uncomfortable by trying to change the angle of his shot. He didn't even want to block Wilt's shot, he was just trying to make him less efficient. If he could do this he would give his team a better chance to win the game, and that is what happened more often than not against Wilt. Of course Wilt was very intelligent and would adjust forcing Russell to do the same. I believe Russell mention in the article that he had five different ways of playing Wilt to try and throw him off his game.

I wish I could find the article. He also mentioned how him and Wilt were great friends and would eat dinner at each other's houses when their teams played each other.

[6celtics33]

Russell said he did that on purpose because he knew wilt wouldn't play as hard against him. I heard one interview where wilt was kind of laughing at Bill because he used to throw up before big games and wilt said he didn't want to be that way. He had too many varied interests to live and die on the outcome of a basketball game. I don't think it's an accident that their win losses worked out the way they did.

And I'm not even saying wilt was wrong to feel that way, just that he did. He can live his life however he wanted. Jordan is crazy too, just listen to his hall of fame speech. I'm just so competitive, I'm always going to side with the crazy competitor just because that's what I think the game should be about.

I understand others may feel different.

[cnewby]

A... Hakeem is 2/3 see 86
B. No one has ever went 99/100 so good try on that one

Using outlandish fake scenarios don't help your argument

Speaking of outlandish....who went 8 for 32?

[BestRCs]

Now that Westbrook is done breaking the triple double record, the attention shifts to another record that very well may fall this year.

LeBron is 416 points away from passing some guy named Michael J. Jordan as the all time leader in career points scored in the playoffs.

If the Cavs make it a few rounds, the chances are good that LeBron breaks it, as he has scored at least 497 points the last 6 post seasons.

LeBron is also only 42 steals away from passing Scottie Pippen for the all-time playoff mark in that category. He has surpassed that total 2 different post seasons, including last year when he got 49 steals.

Should be fun to watch his barrel down on these records, especially it means the Cavs head back to the Finals for the third straight year.

It's easy to make the playoffs year after year when the bucks are the 3 seed with a sub .500 record. Just saying.

Let's not mistake activity for achievement.

[hofcollector2]

When some one starts to get talked about in the same light as Jordan you have to start to include the 10 scoring titles, the 6-0 finals record, the shooting free throw with eyes closed... Those things start to matter when talking legacy against legacy. Lebron has almost 1000 more turn overs than MJ and we are not even going to get into free throw percentage. There is a reason Jordan shoes sell 10x more than Lebron shoes, Jordan is the Goat and Lebron will have to go above and beyond to pass MJ in the hearts of people and that's not going to happen. Like someone said earlier let's just enjoy Lebron for Lebron as he will never be MJ.

[tjforce]

It's easy to make the playoffs year after year when the bucks are the 3 seed with a sub .500 record. Just saying.

Let's not mistake activity for achievement.

What year were the Bucks the 3 seed with a sub 500 record?

[hofcollector2]

Those knicks teams and pacers teams Jordan had to face would give Lebron and company fits and win a few playoffs series against them. It's not Lebrons fault the east is greatly watered down as he is doing what he is suppose to be doing and that's winning but when comparing Greats those thing are going to come into play and they should.

[drobfan8]

Starts a threading mentioning MJ in the title, then says he's not looking for an MJ vs LeBron debate, hmmmm.



Here's the problem with some LeBron fans, they pretty much are stating LeBron is currently no. 2 all time, yet they don't even recognize top level talent and winners like KAJ, Magic and TD. Hell Bird has had similar seasons to LeBron, Shaq had a more dominant window against far tougher competition.

So many flaws.

And no, it's not that big of a deal that LeBron will top the playoff scoring. It would have been awesome if he was on track to beat it in the same number of games, THAT would have been cool to follow.

This countdown is a bit lame.

[tjforce]

Starts a threading mentioning MJ in the title, then says he's not looking for an MJ vs LeBron debate, hmmmm.



Here's the problem with some LeBron fans, they pretty much are stating LeBron is currently no. 2 all time, yet they don't even recognize top level talent and winners like KAJ, Magic and TD. Hell Bird has had similar seasons to LeBron, Shaq had a more dominant window against far tougher competition.

So many flaws.

And no, it's not that big of a deal that LeBron will top the playoff scoring. It would have been awesome if he was on track to beat it in the same number of games, THAT would have been cool to follow.

This countdown is a bit lame.

It was never meant to be a who's greatest debate, but I should have known that people like you couldn't resist turning it into one.

If the countdown is so lame, please feel free to exit and maybe start a Spurs 2017-18 thread. I promise I won't tell you how lame I think it is.

[oldgoldy97]

So....did Lebron pass Jordan yet or is that something I shouldn't be asking?

[6celtics33]

So....did Lebron pass Jordan yet or is that something I shouldn't be asking?

Dude, what are you doing over here? Don't let it get on you. It's hard to get off.

[jj2]

Ah, the old answer a question with another question deflection.

He probably has the same hard on for MJ that LeBron does.

Your original contention was that simply because Lebron wears the number 23 that he wants to be MJ. My point was that lots of people wear that number, in all different kinds of sports, because most of them probably grew up with MJ posters on their walls. It's a term of endearment, not necessarily a overt signal that they secretly want to be MJ.

Does Shane Warne want to be MJ because he wore the number 23 while playing cricket? He even has the number tiled into the bottom of his pool.

[jj2]

One thing that I don't often hear talked about in the whole Jordan vs. LeBron debate is the fact that LeBron has an advantage in that he came after Jordan. So he knows exactly what he's chasing.

When Jordan first came up he was the ultimate scorer, but many fans and sports writers viewed him as a selfish player and believed he would never win like Magic and Bird did. Of course he proved everybody wrong. But these were the two players he was chasing especially Magic. The drive to be better than these two was interrupted for a couple of years when he stepped away from the game after his father passed. After returning to the game it would take him only three seasons to best Magic's five championships. After that he had nothing left to prove and stepped away again. But what if Magic had won six or seven championships? My guess is Jordan would have stuck around longer to pass that number and in the process added to his stats.

The advantage that players like Kobe and LeBron have is they know the big number for them to go after is the six championships that Jordan won. Kobe stuck around as long as he could, but came up short in the end. I believe LeBron will do the same to try and reach that mark. All the while he will accumulate stats and move pass Jordan in several stat categories. These numbers are impressive but I wouldn't put much stock in them. The regular season matters little in the NBA. Even playoff stats don't matter much. You have to win and the big number LeBron is going after is six. If LeBron can get there in a reasonable number of years then I believe the Jordan vs. LeBron debate could get interesting.

Why is the big number six? Shouldn't it be 11?

[jj2]

When some one starts to get talked about in the same light as Jordan you have to start to include the 10 scoring titles, the 6-0 finals record, the shooting free throw with eyes closed... Those things start to matter when talking legacy against legacy. Lebron has almost 1000 more turn overs than MJ and we are not even going to get into free throw percentage. There is a reason Jordan shoes sell 10x more than Lebron shoes, Jordan is the Goat and Lebron will have to go above and beyond to pass MJ in the hearts of people and that's not going to happen. Like someone said earlier let's just enjoy Lebron for Lebron as he will never be MJ.

Blueprint for NBA GOAT:

10 scoring titles.
6-0 Finals record.
Shoot one free throw with your eyes closed.
Sell 10x more shoes.

[tjforce]

So....did Lebron pass Jordan yet or is that something I shouldn't be asking?

He's 72 points behind going into tonight's game. He will surpass the record very shortly.

Some here are very happy to see their favorite player break a record set by the GOAT. Others are think its neat to see a pretty cool accomplishment. Some seem a little insecure that a guy they don't think that much off is breaking a Jordan mark.

[drobfan8]

Your original contention was that simply because Lebron wears the number 23 that he wants to be MJ. My point was that lots of people wear that number, in all different kinds of sports, because most of them probably grew up with MJ posters on their walls. It's a term of endearment, not necessarily a overt signal that they secretly want to be MJ.

Does Shane Warne want to be MJ because he wore the number 23 while playing cricket? He even has the number tiled into the bottom of his pool.

You know who Shane Warne is, I love that. :)!

Wearing 23 is a symbol of being the greatest, which Warne was. LeBron is trying to be the greatest, he needs to do his own thing. Be his own man. He has struggled with this a fair bit. Even something as petty as Space Jam 2, come on now. He keeps himself in MJ's shadow.

I'm not even arguing that MJ is greater than LeBron, I just think topping a record, and taking longer, is just not that special. Special? Yes, but not really worth some countdown.

He's 72 points behind going into tonight's game. He will surpass the record very shortly.

Some here are very happy to see their favorite player break a record set by the GOAT. Others are think its neat to see a pretty cool accomplishment. Some seem a little insecure that a guy they don't think that much off is breaking a Jordan mark.

This is the thing with SOME of you fans. You're actually looking like the insecure one. A countdown for this? Seriously?

Sure there are a couple of MJ fans that are blinded, but there are many more of those type of LeBron fans.

Of course it's cool to break ANY MJ record, but it will be broken again and again due to MJ's lack of longevity in the game.

[drobfan8]

It was never meant to be a who's greatest debate, but I should have known that people like you couldn't resist turning it into one.

If the countdown is so lame, please feel free to exit and maybe start a Spurs 2017-18 thread. I promise I won't tell you how lame I think it is.

I think I'll hang around as long as I want thanks. Take another look at your thread title and then maybe you'll understand why you've attracted some of the hardcore MJ fans that get you upset so often.

Maybe I'll start a countdown that LeBron will not ever beat, most championships with one team. TD has 5 so......

Hell I've even backed Lebron and the Cavs to repeat, since day 1 of the season and been laughed off by some of the LeBron guys. Strange.

[phdbeckett]

If this was the Olympics, there would be a lot more room for debate on the MJ vs LeBron dialogue.
It isn't.

How many times in his Career did Jordan not win it all?

[Nyfancam01]

Lebron James is the most complete basketball player of all time. A true genius on the court!
Learn to appreciate what you guys are witnessing !!! Stop all of the hate and respect the G.O.A.T ! THE KING!

[jj2]

You know who Shane Warne is, I love that. :

I don't spell organisation with a "z" or colour without the "u". ;)

[hofcollector2]

Blueprint for NBA GOAT:

10 scoring titles.
6-0 Finals record.
Shoot one free throw with your eyes closed.
Sell 10x more shoes.

Sure, who else has don't that? Not Lebron.

[hofcollector2]

Tonight did not help Lebrons case at all, lol

[tjforce]

Tonight did not help Lebrons case at all, lol

I'm sure LeBron's legacy will be defined by Game 3 of the 2017 Conference Finals.

Sort of like how MJ's career was defined by Game 1 of the Divisional round in 1995 when he shot 36% with 8 turnovers..... I know that's my biggest memory of MJ.

[ninjacookies]

I'm not sure Jordan had a playoff game under 20 points his entire career, let alone his rookie campaign in 84.

Lebron was just not himself at all tonight. Typically makes up for a bad shooting performance with peripherals..so not sure what happened or what his mindset was.

[tjforce]

I'm not sure Jordan had a playoff game under 20 points his entire career, let alone his rookie campaign in 84.

Lebron was just not himself at all tonight. Typically makes up for a bad shooting performance with peripherals..so not sure what happened or what his mindset was.

Actually happened to Jordan 6 times in his playoff career, which is still pretty amazing.

LeBron had an off night tonight... he didn't bring that same intensity he did in games 1 and 2 when he was just nasty. We'll see how he bounces back.

[ninjacookies]

Actually happened to Jordan 6 times in his playoff career, which is still pretty amazing.

LeBron had an off night tonight... he didn't bring that same intensity he did in games 1 and 2 when he was just nasty. We'll see how he bounces back.

I'm not anticipating Lebron having a repeat for game 4. Expect him to fully dominate. He's been playing out of his mind this entire postseason, so a bit of regression is expected. Interested to hear what he says in the postgame performance about his approach to the game tonight.

[hermanotarjeta]

Lebron took one for the NBA tonight, for the sake of "equality" in the NBA.

[RedSoxFan28]

How many 3rd quarter 20 point leads did Jordan blow in the ECFs?

[tjforce]

How many 3rd quarter 20 point leads did Jordan blow in the ECFs?

Yes, I believe this is a commonly tracked stat among basketball aficionados

[rhigh2390]

Yes, I believe this is a commonly tracked stat among basketball aficionados

Not really any crazier than some of the crazy ones lebron guys come up with lol

Seems to be about every other week on here during the regular season, there is some new thread talking about how lebron just passed MJ in career scoring between the times of 7:30 to 7:45 on Tuesday games lol

[hofcollector2]

Yes, I believe this is a commonly tracked stat among basketball aficionados

It is when people try to compare Lebron to Jordan, those one off games start to matter. And to add to that stat how many times has Jordan not closed out a team without their best player? Never.. I'm really not trying to nitpick but if people are going to compare Lebron to the goat us Jordan fans are not going to sugar coat anything. Everything counts from this point on. That's a testiment to how great Lebron has been and how much closer he has gotten to the top players ever.

[jj2]

Sure, who else has don't that? Not Lebron.

I find the fact you doubled-down on this hilarious.

[Ferg1945]

I'm not anticipating Lebron having a repeat for game 4. Expect him to fully dominate. He's been playing out of his mind this entire postseason, so a bit of regression is expected. Interested to hear what he says in the postgame performance about his approach to the game tonight.

He will score 18 in the 1st quarter in Game 4.

[hofcollector2]

I find the fact you doubled-down on this hilarious.

I like the fact you ignored my question :)!

[jj2]

I like the fact you ignored my question :)!

Sorry, I thought asking who has shot a free throw with their eyes closed might have been rhetorical.

[robert0629]

Why is the big number six? Shouldn't it be 11?

It can be whatever number you want it to be. The point is the media and the majority of fans see it that way. I don't write the narratives. Jordan himself made it pretty clear in interviews that he was chasing Bird and then eventually Magic. To my knowledge there wasn't much talk about him going after Russell's 11. I also think it was pretty clear that Kobe was chasing Jordan's six, and now LeBron is as well. This isn't to disrespect Russell, but for whatever reason that's just not talked about much. Perhaps because it's an unattainable number or maybe because the media and fans prefer to make comparisons between modern players.

[jj2]

It can be whatever number you want it to be. The point is the media and the majority of fans see it that way. I don't write the narratives. Jordan himself made it pretty clear in interviews that he was chasing Bird and then eventually Magic. To my knowledge there wasn't much talk about him going after Russell's 11. I also think it was pretty clear that Kobe was chasing Jordan's six, and now LeBron is as well. This isn't to disrespect Russell, but for whatever reason that's just not talked about much. Perhaps because it's an unattainable number or maybe because the media and fans prefer to make comparisons between modern players.

So six seems pretty arbitrary then, doesn't it?

[robert0629]

So six seems pretty arbitrary then, doesn't it?

You're absolutely right, it's arbitrary. GOAT arguments are always about opinion. There's no right or wrong answer. If you believe that LeBron needs 11 championships to be in the discussion for the GOAT then that's your opinion. I'm just pointing out what the majority of fans discuss when it comes to the GOAT. Most fans believe that Jordan's the GOAT. He won six championships and so that appears to be the number LeBron is chasing. Of course many fans would still not consider LeBron the GOAT even if he were to achieve or surpass this number.

None of this is meant to disrespect Russell. That's great if you feel that he's the GOAT. But comparing Jordan to Russell isn't something I've heard very often. Like I said maybe it's because Russell didn't play in the modern era, or because 11 is a virtually unattainable number. It could also be that centers tend to get compared to other centers, and guard and wing players are compared to each other.

There's no way to prove who the GOAT is, and so discussions of who the GOAT is are all in good fun. If you don't hear comparisons between Jordan and Russell it's probably because they're not very interesting debates. Fans had fun with the Jordan versus Bird and Magic. When Kobe came along they put him up against Jordan. And now of course it's LeBron. Like it or not, Jordan vs. LeBron is where we're at with the whole GOAT argument.

[drobfan8]

I'm not a huge fan of the 6 rings argument because it will probably get beaten.

Maybe by LeBron maybe by someone else.

Lebron may get 6 in 20 years. Is that better? Debatable. Then it will be another argument.

The dominance of Jordan, 6 in 8 years and then retiring early will be tough to beat. We all can say LeBron has dominated the last 7 seasons as the best player but managed 3 wins.

Unfortunately this topic will be debated for a long time.

[jj2]

You're absolutely right, it's arbitrary. GOAT arguments are always about opinion. There's no right or wrong answer. If you believe that LeBron needs 11 championships to be in the discussion for the GOAT then that's your opinion. I'm just pointing out what the majority of fans discuss when it comes to the GOAT. Most fans believe that Jordan's the GOAT. He won six championships and so that appears to be the number LeBron is chasing. Of course many fans would still not consider LeBron the GOAT even if he were to achieve or surpass this number.

None of this is meant to disrespect Russell. That's great if you feel that he's the GOAT. But comparing Jordan to Russell isn't something I've heard very often. Like I said maybe it's because Russell didn't play in the modern era, or because 11 is a virtually unattainable number. It could also be that centers tend to get compared to other centers, and guard and wing players are compared to each other.

There's no way to prove who the GOAT is, and so discussions of who the GOAT is are all in good fun. If you don't hear comparisons between Jordan and Russell it's probably because they're not very interesting debates. Fans had fun with the Jordan versus Bird and Magic. When Kobe came along they put him up against Jordan. And now of course it's LeBron. Like it or not, Jordan vs. LeBron is where we're at with the whole GOAT argument.

I'm not arguing Bill Russell is the GOAT, but I could certainly understand why some people might say he is. I'm just interested as to why six seems to have become this sacred number that everyone gets measured against when there was already a guy who nearly doubled it, and several others who have equaled or exceeded it.

[tjforce]

Here we are!!

As of Thursday at 8:30 PM Eastern time we are on record watch.

27 to tie it, 28 to break it.

It will be a lot of fun for us LeBron fans... for those naysayers.. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt or if you don't think it matters much, but many of us are going to enjoy it nonetheless.

Go Cavs!!! (Cleveland is the city that we come from so, run, run, run)

[Siberian13]

He gets 136 FG attempts to get 28 points. Seems pretty possible.

[jj2]

Here we are!!

As of Thursday at 8:30 PM Eastern time we are on record watch.

27 to tie it, 28 to break it.

It will be a lot of fun for us LeBron fans... for those naysayers.. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt or if you don't think it matters much, but many of us are going to enjoy it nonetheless.

Go Cavs!!! (Cleveland is the city that we come from so, run, run, run)

This offends me.

[codered]

Here we are!!

As of Thursday at 8:30 PM Eastern time we are on record watch.

27 to tie it, 28 to break it.

It will be a lot of fun for us LeBron fans... for those naysayers.. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt or if you don't think it matters much, but many of us are going to enjoy it nonetheless.

Go Cavs!!! (Cleveland is the city that we come from so, run, run, run)

Cough* he scored almost half those points with Miami *cough
So shouldn't it be Cleveland to Miami and back to Cleveland is the cities that we come from so run, run, run

[pingbling23]

lebron with 11 pts on 5 of 5 shooting, 4 reb, 6 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk in the first quarter. not a bad start.

[6celtics33]

lebron with 11 pts on 5 of 5 shooting, 4 reb, 6 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk in the first quarter. not a bad start.

Welcome back

[pingbling23]

Welcome back

thank you, happy to be back.

[SHowley2003]

Here we are!!

As of Thursday at 8:30 PM Eastern time we are on record watch.

27 to tie it, 28 to break it.

It will be a lot of fun for us LeBron fans... for those naysayers.. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt or if you don't think it matters much, but many of us are going to enjoy it nonetheless.

Go Cavs!!! (Cleveland is the city that we come from so, run, run, run)

I'll be more impressed when he passes MJ in PPG (33.4 career average) in the playoffs.

[pingbling23]

I'll be more impressed when he passes MJ in PPG (33.4 career average) in the playoffs.

we know thats not going to happen. regardless, this is a nice achievement and there is no reason to throw shade on lebron for that. imagine what could have been for jordan if he played in best of 7 series, didnt retire prematurely twice. this is just another nice achievement in a long list for lebron. appreciate greatness.

[phdbeckett]

we know thats not going to happen. regardless, this is a nice achievement and there is no reason to throw shade on lebron for that. imagine what could have been for jordan if he played in best of 7 series, didnt retire prematurely twice. this is just another nice achievement in a long list for lebron. appreciate greatness.

Imagine if the Bulls had to play the Rockets in 93-94, or 94-95?

[6celtics33]

Imagine if the Bulls had to play the Rockets in 93-94, or 94-95?

Imagine if the Rockets had to play the Bulls??

Hmmmm

[TBarn291]

Congrats LBJ!!! Awesome accomplishment.

[Braswell10]

Amazing milestone for Lebron! For all those people saying Lebron took more games to do it than Jordan , he also took a lesser amount of shots than Jordan.

[Braswell10]

I'll be more impressed when he passes MJ in PPG (33.4 career average) in the playoffs.

Lol come on now. This is a huge accomplishment. Just because it's against your favorite team doesn't mean you can't acknowledge it.

[asujbl]

I'll be more impressed when he passes MJ in PPG (33.4 career average) in the playoffs.

Such a d*ck response

If you can't appreciate what just happened then you might as well bounce because you live a hateful life

[oldgoldy97]

ESPN.com is saying something on their main page about LeBron passing MJ. How do they get off being such LeBron fanboys/MJ haters?

[SHowley2003]

Lol come on now. This is a huge accomplishment. Just because it's against your favorite team doesn't mean you can't acknowledge it.

No. I can acknowledge it as a huge accomplishment. The challenge of simply playing in enough playoff games to even have the opportunity to score that many points is crazy. Never mind the talent needed to be "the guy". He's scored more in the playoffs than a huge percentage of NBA players have ever scored.

I was responding to the "passing MJ" aspect of the thread. I'm a huge fan of efficiency stats and I'm in the camp that MJ is still better than LBJ. LeBron has taken 50ish more games to hit the mark? I don't consider that nearly as impressive as MJ hitting the same mark. Two separate conversation for me. LBJ's playoff stats are insane. How they compare to MJ is the difference for me.

[tjforce]

There it is!!!


Drink it in boys... you will never see this record broken again in your lives.

[asujbl]

No. I can acknowledge it as a huge accomplishment. The challenge of simply playing in enough playoff games to even have the opportunity to score that many points is crazy. Never mind the talent needed to be "the guy". He's scored more in the playoffs than a huge percentage of NBA players have ever scored.

I was responding to the "passing MJ" aspect of the thread. I'm a huge fan of efficiency stats and I'm in the camp that MJ is still better than LBJ. LeBron has taken 50ish more games to hit the mark? I don't consider that nearly as impressive as MJ hitting the same mark. Two separate conversation for me. LBJ's playoff stats are insane. How they compare to MJ is the difference for me.

Feel free to break down the rest of the counting stats if this is your stance

[6celtics33]

I don't think it's that big of an accomplishment now due to the games difference but I do think when Lebron is done and he's 2,000+ ahead of 2nd place, now that's doing something.

[SHowley2003]

Feel free to break down the rest of the counting stats if this is your stance

What exactly are "counting stats"?

[6celtics33]

Feel free to break down the rest of the counting stats if this is your stance

You realize Lebron will win all the counting stat arguments due to the games difference right? Do you put any weight on per game dominance or just longevity? It's fine if you like longevity, I just wonder if Jordan was passing Lebron now and Lebron had the per game dominance and Jordan the longevity if you'd feel the same. I mean Lebron probably has a lot more turnovers too. Also due to longevity.

[6celtics33]

What exactly are "counting stats"?

Totals

[pingbling23]

Amazing milestone for Lebron! For all those people saying Lebron took more games to do it than Jordan , he also took a lesser amount of shots than Jordan.

thats something to be said, did it on over 100 less attempts.

[oldgoldy97]

If all it takes is a lot of games to score a lot of points, why isn't Lebron in 9th place, like he is in playoff games played? Behind the likes of Kareem, Shaq and, oh my gosh, Kobe ?

[asujbl]

What exactly are "counting stats"?

What were Jordan's RPG? APG?

Let's put it all out there

Oh and shots per game.

[6celtics33]

If all it takes is a lot of games to score a lot of points, why isn't Lebron in 9th place, like he is in playoff games played? Behind the likes of Kareem, Shaq and, oh my gosh, Kobe ?

Because he averages more per game than all of them

[asujbl]

I don't think it's that big of an accomplishment now due to the games difference but I do think when Lebron is done and he's 2,000+ ahead of 2nd place, now that's doing something.

Another d*ck response

At least people are showing themselves

[jj2]

If all it takes is a lot of games to score a lot of points, why isn't Lebron in 9th place, like he is in playoff games played? Behind the likes of Kareem, Shaq and, oh my gosh, Kobe ?

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/images/folder146/600x600/11274146/um-nevermind.jpg

[lionsfan20]

Lol @ LeBron fans. Keep trying to tell yourself LeBron is better than MJ. That will never be true. No milestone or achievement at this point will change that. For anybody who watched both players careers and is not completely bias it is not really even a discussion. MJ was better in almost every aspect.

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[oldgoldy97]

Because he averages more per game than all of them

Why does he average more (points I'm assuming). Because he's a mad chucker ball hog? Or because he's good?

[6celtics33]

Another d*ck response

At least people are showing themselves

Are you drunk or something? That was a compliment. I guess I'm showing myself.

[6celtics33]

Why does he average more (points I'm assuming). Because he's a mad chucker ball hog? Or because he's good?

I'm gonna say good. Do you think anyone here thinks Lebron isn't good?

[SHowley2003]

Totals

Totals? In 15 season in the NBA MJ won 6 titles and averaged 33.4 PPG in the playoffs. In 14 season in the NBA LBJ has won 3 titles and averaged 28.2 PPG. This thread is about him passing MJ in playoff scoring. I'm not sure what other "counting stats" you need as it relates to this discussion.

By the way just because I don't put LeBron over MJ doesn't mean I don't respect the accomplishment (as I clearly stated above). It's okay to have my own opinion. I promise my feedback doesn't take away from what LeBron has accomplished.

[pingbling23]

Lol @ LeBron fans. Keep trying to tell yourself LeBron is better than MJ. That will never be true. No milestone or achievement at this point will change that. For anybody who watched both players careers and is not completely bias it is not really even a discussion. MJ was better in almost every aspect.

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what? ive watched both players careers and im a bigger jordan homer then i am lebron, but mj is not better in almost every aspect then lebron. no way.

[asujbl]

Are you drunk or something? That was a compliment. I guess I'm showing myself.

I don't think it's that big of an accomplishment

Super weird compliment

[jj2]

Lol @ LeBron fans. Keep trying to tell yourself LeBron is better than MJ. That will never be true. No milestone or achievement at this point will change that. For anybody who watched both players careers and is not completely bias it is not really even a discussion. MJ was better in almost every aspect.

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LOL @ MJ fans getting offended and thinking every discussion like this means people think Lebron is better than MJ.

[jj2]

I don't think it's that big of an accomplishment

Super weird compliment

[Backhanded] compliment.

[asujbl]

[Backhanded] compliment.

If LeBron plays forever it will be cool what he does

Compliment

[oldgoldy97]

I'm gonna say good. Do you think anyone here thinks Lebron isn't good?

The point of the thread was that LeBron is passing MJ in scoring but then MJ fans turned it into an MJ is better thread. It's full of "yeah, but"s. Why can't people just say nice job then go on their way?

[6celtics33]

Lol at you all getting so defensive if everyone doesn't slurp the same as you all. I stated I thought when he's done and puts the record out of reach that that would be the accomplishment worth being proud of. You said that was a "d*ck" response. I don't know what you want.

All hail the king!!

[oldgoldy97]

It really won't matter because in like 10 years Lonzo will own every record in history.

[I only pull for]

Impressive accomplishment for Bron, now if he can lead Cleveland to a 3 peat that would be more impressive.

[asujbl]

Lol at you all getting so defensive if everyone doesn't slurp the same as you all. I stated I thought when he's done and puts the record out of reach that that would be the accomplishment worth being proud of. You said that was a "d*ck" response. I don't know what you want.

All hail the king!!

Edit - "it's not that big an accomplishment" which was a d*ck comment and you're good

That's what we want

[jj2]

Lol at you all getting so defensive if everyone doesn't slurp the same as you all. I stated I thought when he's done and puts the record out of reach that that would be the accomplishment worth being proud of. You said that was a "d*ck" response. I don't know what you want.

All hail the king!!

When someone breaks Usain Bolt's 100m WR - Eh... if you broke it by a couple more seconds I'd be impressed.

[6celtics33]

Edit - "it's not that big an accomplishment" which was a d*ck comment and you're good

That's what we want

Sorry cupcake, I don't live in Cleveland. I'm not deep in the bias like you. I said it wasn't that big of a deal NOW, due to the games difference. It will be when he puts it out of reach down the road.

That's my opinion. I know reading is tough but that's what I "think". You can think whatever you want. But keep your d*ck comments to yourself.

[6celtics33]

When someone breaks Usain Bolt's 100m WR - Eh... if you broke it by a couple more seconds I'd be impressed.

Yep, great analogy

[asujbl]

Sorry cupcake, I don't live in Cleveland. I'm not deep in the bias like you. I said it wasn't that big of a deal NOW, due to the games difference. It will be when he puts it out of reach down the road.

That's my opinion. I know reading is tough but that's what I "think". You can think whatever you want. But keep your d*ck comments to yourself.

I live in Cleveland? Awesome. Didn't know that.

Not worth a reply by you. FYI.

[6celtics33]

More accurately Jj it would be if someone broke it but by running the 92 meters or whatever ratio Jordans total games to Lebrons total games are.

[jj2]

Yep, great analogy

Thanks. :flex:

[cnewby]

Was the cupcake comment supposed to be insulting?

[asujbl]

Was the cupcake comment supposed to be insulting?

Apparently?

[6celtics33]

Apparently?

It was yes

[pingbling23]

so if youre taking the stance that "well jordan did it in less games" why not acknowledge "well lebron did it in less shot attempts"? isnt it kind of the same things. to score you have to shoot, not just play the games. so maybe regardless of how many games it took lebron to do it, maybe its more incredible it took him less shots.

[Kobe101]

What were Jordan's RPG? APG?

Let's put it all out there

Oh and shots per game.

Agreed!

I hate Lebron ...mainly because I don't want him to be "greater" then Kobe (and
I know MJ>Kobe)... but I unfortunetly think Lebron is the best ever already.

I think Athletes are so much better now too and ppl hate on the leagues overall talent but I think it's at a pretty good level right now!

Assuming they stay on the same path I feel like Lebron, KD, Westbrook, Leanard and Harden could all end up as top 50 players (and I could be missing one) who are all around their prime and they played against other top 50 greats like Kobe, KG, Dirk, DH12, ect...

Lebron can score at will, get the board, is smart enough to hit open teammate for shot even if it's end of game if he's covered and plays elite defense....

I feel like so many ppl take him for granted because they love MJ and he's always compared to him.... but getting to the finals 6/7 years in a row is so freaking impressive regardless of competion..

Too many ppl ride MJ so hard this is all off top of my head but the year he was gone didn't Pippen lead them to 50 plus wins and Eastern Conference finals so he deserves A LOT more credit then he gets!

[asujbl]

so if youre taking the stance that "well jordan did it in less games" why not acknowledge "well lebron did it in less shot attempts"? isnt it kind of the same things. to score you have to shoot, not just play the games. so maybe regardless of how many games it took lebron to do it, maybe its more incredible it took him less shots.

Shh...

I'm getting beat down. It's fun.

[6celtics33]

so if youre taking the stance that "well jordan did it in less games" why not acknowledge "well lebron did it in less shot attempts"? isnt it kind of the same things. to score you have to shoot, not just play the games. so maybe regardless of how many games it took lebron to do it, maybe its more incredible it took him less shots.

That's fine, Jordan shoots higher % across the board so how did that happen? Lebron shot more and made more 3s. Ok, congrats Lebron. You win.

[asujbl]

That's fine, Jordan shoots higher % across the board so how did that happen? Lebron shot more and made more 3s. Ok, congrats Lebron. You win.

So still ignoring the other stats

Weird

[pingbling23]

That's fine, Jordan shoots higher % across the board so how did that happen? Lebron shot more and made more 3s. Ok, congrats Lebron. You win.

its not about winning, im not saying either is more impressive, just more then one way to look at it.

[6celtics33]

What other stats would you like to discuss?

[6celtics33]

its not about winning, im not saying either is more impressive, just more then one way to look at it.

I agree with you

[6celtics33]

Jordan playoffs

33.4ppg
6.4 rpg
5.7 apg
2.1 spg
0.9 bpg
3.1 turnovers
.487 fg%
.828 ft%
.332 3p%

24-11 finals record 6-0

[6celtics33]

Lebron playoffs
28.2ppg
8.8rpg
6.8 apg
1.8 spg
1.0 bpg
3.5 turnovers
.482 fg%
.744 ft%
.327 3p%

17-23 finals record 3-4

[6celtics33]

It's pretty close, I don't know what we're trying to decide here

[ninjacookies]

Congrats Lebron.


Jordan playoffs

33.4ppg
6.4 rpg
5.7 apg
2.1 spg
0.9 bpg
3.1 turnovers
.487 fg%
.828 ft%
.332 3p%

24-11 finals record 6-0


It's crazy how everyone seems to slap the one-dimensional offensive tag on Jordan since we all remember him from his amazing shot highlights.

But dude was criminally underrated at all facets of the game. Was doing Westbrook things before Westbrook. Recall seeing a special that said Jordan had a triple double in the first 20 out of 40 games of the season when being thrust into the starting PG role for the first time early in his career.

[6celtics33]

Congrats Lebron.





It's crazy how everyone seems to slap the one-dimensional offensive tag on Jordan since we all remember him from his amazing shot highlights.

But dude was criminally underrated at all facets of the game. Was doing Westbrook things before Westbrook. Recall seeing a special that said Jordan had a triple double in the first 20 out of 40 games of the season when being thrust into the starting PG role for the first time early in his career.

10 in 11 games in one stretch