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ark8085
05-01-2017, 10:43 AM
SPORTSCARDS12.

He purchased a blue 9.5 Trey Mancini auto last week. A little back story. When I purchased the card the nameplate was a little loose.

Here's a message I sent the buyer before any deal was done..

"When I bought it was crooked but I tapped it around and got it straight. Not bad. It def won't affect much or touch the card . I'd do 190 if interested. Thanks"

He agrees to buy the card.

I barely tapped it at all on a piece of wood and got it straight and looking good.
Literally took me under 60 seconds.

So fastforward to Friday he gets the card and immediately wants to return it. (And he wants his shipping costs reimbursed)FINE!
The nameplate came loose and he can't move a card like this. Irritating because it was disclosed that the nameplate was loose before he AGREED to a deal.

Ahh whatever , send it back and I'll reimburse you. He's def going on my blocked list at this point anyway but I don't feel I should make a call out thread.....until today after I get the card in the mail.

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/Ark8085/AA315A1C-E37F-4F08-B03B-CA053D783A16_zpssnshbtwl.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/Ark8085/media/AA315A1C-E37F-4F08-B03B-CA053D783A16_zpssnshbtwl.jpg.html)

http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/Ark8085/F2F0A833-7A7F-48DA-80E1-928E9B73BA76_zps9lqbqts4.jpg (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/Ark8085/media/F2F0A833-7A7F-48DA-80E1-928E9B73BA76_zps9lqbqts4.jpg.html)

MInd you, I double bagged this card and shipped it in a priority mail box!!

The bottom of the case is CRACKED and def the place you would need to TAP(Hammer in sportscards12 case)to make the nameplate wedge the way it is..... Literally looks like he hit it against the granite in the picture he sent me. I would not be surprised at all.

I had a bad feeling about this guy since day 1 and should have trusted my instincts but it is what it is now. He's been refunded and reimbursed shipping costs. I just want to warn other GREAT blowout members to watch out with this guy.

Ironically I left him feedback right after he paid. My mistake and I won't do that again.

gobullz1
05-01-2017, 10:48 AM
LMAO wanted his money back because dude sucks now not surprised he wanted like triple eBay for a card I wanted yeah right that pm will be left on open

jcardstore
05-01-2017, 10:49 AM
This will be good :popcorn:

I'd like to see his response on this one

Tesla
05-01-2017, 10:50 AM
Is this member in Indiana?

TWard
05-01-2017, 10:51 AM
Man, this section has been killing it lately....

Miguels
05-01-2017, 11:24 AM
I was interested in Sportscard12's Cardale Jones he had for sale and have inquired about them before. He wanted much more than they were going for on eBay and wanted prices that I couldnt even understand what type of multiplier he was using.

Everytime I would say this is the most I could pay and thank you for your time because those are some sweet cards. A week or two would pass by and he would check in with me to see if I wanted them for more than his rock bottom price from before and I would repeat my answer from before or he would quote completely different Cardale Jones cards as completed sales to justify his price and why I should buy them. The message process with him was impatient, everytime I got a message from him I felt like man I dont wanna offend this guy but I gotta let him off easy and a couple messages into a conversation I always told myself man please let this be over already.

I just always got the feeling that if two collectors were trading hands with one card... that for some reason if you put it in his hands and told him he owned it he thinks its worth an astronomical amount more.

He has this set of Cardale Jones Optics. Almost the entire rainbow and thanks to stuff like this and the obvious damages done to that BGS case I dont even want them anymore.

gobullz1
05-01-2017, 11:25 AM
Miguel's can i get my feedback thanks

Tesla
05-01-2017, 11:29 AM
Alright I guess I will come out and say it. SPORTSCARDS12 is PBM Snick103 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/snick103.html)

majestik101
05-01-2017, 11:36 AM
Well this just got interesting. Think I have tried to deal with this dude before and never pulled the trigger because something was "off". As if this "hobby" doesn't have enough skeezy people as it is.

ark8085
05-01-2017, 11:45 AM
He's an annoying HAGGLING ,CARD PUMPING,AND BUYERS REMORSE ALL IN ONE.

and I agree with others, he would add a couple hundred value to his cards and subtract a couple hundred off my cards. It was absurd. Worst trader I've dealt with.. very fortunate to have the good traders on here.

TWard
05-01-2017, 11:49 AM
Alright I guess I will come out and say it. SPORTSCARDS12 is PBM Snick103 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/snick103.html)


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gingerscards
05-01-2017, 12:03 PM
Alright I guess I will come out and say it. SPORTSCARDS12 is PBM Snick103 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/snick103.html)

From some of his cards I have seen I thought this also

jlzinck
05-01-2017, 12:06 PM
Alright I guess I will come out and say it. SPORTSCARDS12 is PBM Snick103 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/snick103.html)

I love you.

Also I have had the moron on Ignore for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time

ark8085
05-01-2017, 12:09 PM
From some of his cards I have seen I thought this also

If you see something , say something.. lol

cking
05-01-2017, 12:14 PM
Houdini.....warm that hammer up

seabass97166
05-01-2017, 12:20 PM
What a tool. Those nameplates are always loose (Beckett quality control), just tap into place - like you said it's simple and takes 10 seconds. It's just buyer's remorse - if dude was tearing it up still this would never be returned.

chezball
05-01-2017, 12:41 PM
Alright I guess I will come out and say it. SPORTSCARDS12 is PBM Snick103 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/snick103.html)

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F50712f53de5ae2a0f9d0203a792f7684%2Ftumblr_inline_ok8kwpx9nJ1qbhmtm_500.gif&key=iH-4dvYSi_Qt4rWb4HwV4Q&w=600&h=250

Miguels
05-01-2017, 12:56 PM
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/1106495-anyone-highend-quicksales.html

Last chance to grab any of these if the above is true.

That Mariota is so sweet. Its too bad he owns it.

KevJo
05-01-2017, 01:01 PM
How friggin hard was the guy banging on the edge of the case?

Kevin

majestik101
05-01-2017, 01:09 PM
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/1106495-anyone-highend-quicksales.html

Last chance to grab any of these if the above is true.

That Mariota is so sweet. Its too bad he owns it.

I was an inch away from buying it (and the Evans Black Chrome) for the price he offered them at. So glad I didn't pursue it any further.

Earlsnake07
05-01-2017, 01:20 PM
I was an inch away from buying it (and the Evans Black Chrome) for the price he offered them at. So glad I didn't pursue it any further.

I was just contemplating this........well, not anymore

Cactuspies
05-01-2017, 01:26 PM
sucks OP, the other guy has been on my blocked list for a while now.

Great job with the match up Tesla!

Is there a way for you to stop the refund so you can take back some $ for a re-casing of the card? I mean he f---ed that thing up and you should get something out of that to fix.

RAV2773
05-01-2017, 01:27 PM
Houdini.....warm that hammer up

In the immortal words of MC Hammer.......Hammer Time!

GeechQuest
05-01-2017, 01:39 PM
I was interested in Sportscard12's Cardale Jones he had for sale and have inquired about them before. He wanted much more than they were going for on eBay and wanted prices that I couldnt even understand what type of multiplier he was using.

Everytime I would say this is the most I could pay and thank you for your time because those are some sweet cards. A week or two would pass by and he would check in with me to see if I wanted them for more than his rock bottom price from before and I would repeat my answer from before or he would quote completely different Cardale Jones cards as completed sales to justify his price and why I should buy them. The message process with him was impatient, everytime I got a message from him I felt like man I dont wanna offend this guy but I gotta let him off easy and a couple messages into a conversation I always told myself man please let this be over already.

I just always got the feeling that if two collectors were trading hands with one card... that for some reason if you put it in his hands and told him he owned it he thinks its worth an astronomical amount more.

He has this set of Cardale Jones Optics. Almost the entire rainbow and thanks to stuff like this and the obvious damages done to that BGS case I dont even want them anymore.


Same deal for me.

I remember offering him something like $300 for the Cardale cards when I was buying them. I then get a PM saying he has someone offering $400.

I told the SC12 he should take the offer as he would never get an offer higher than that. I also didn't believe him so I told him if he could produce proof of the offer I would actually pay him $500 immediately, but if he couldn't he would sell to me for $200. I waited roughly 8 hours and then got a screenshot of a PM from SC12. It was the "offer" from member Greg1680, sent via PM, only the time and date were somehow photoshopped out of the screenshot.

SC12 asked for the $500, and I said I would gladly send it to him if he could provide a timestamp of the screenshot. I also said that since he sent me the screenshot trying to get the $500, he was agreeing to my deal of selling for $200 if he were unable to produce a legit offer. He went on and on about how he's honest, he wouldn't lie, etc...I just was asking for a timestamped offer and not one with the time cropped out. I got nothing.

I've had him message me a few times since about the Cardale Optic Autos but I was no longer interested in dealing with this member either.

I go digging and notice that the Greg1680 guy has 2 transactions, both with SC12. I dig through cards on Greg1680's eBay account and notice the exact same cards in SC12's Flickr account. I thought this was strange, but in theory it could be that SC12 just never deleted the cards out of flickr (I've done the same). It did seem highly unlikely though, as Greg1680 only had feedback from SC12, had recent feedback with SC12 on eBay, and was the mystery offer on the Cardale Autos I was trying to acquire (above eBay even at that time mind you).

I remember sending a PM to Houdini about SC12 but obviously the evidence I had was circumstantial at best.

Tesla has dug up who SC12 is, or was. He's a PBM. The Ronnie Lott lot he has FS currently was offered FS by Snick103. Same picture and everything.

Sportscards12
05-01-2017, 02:11 PM
First off I asked you the condition of the case and you said:

When I bought it was crooked but I tapped it around and got it straight. Not bad. It def won't affect much or touch the card . I'd do 190 if interested. Than

When you said it didn't touch the card I was fine with it but when I received the nameplate was all the way down touching the card. Who would want that for 200 dollars spent? I received the card and it was exactly like this picture below. I did not tap it or anything. When it left it did not have a crack on the bottom of the case that must have been from you tapping it on the wood.

I politely asked for a refund. Is that not what trading is suppose to be about? If someone contacted me about a card they were not happy about I would return the card. Heck I returned a graded gem card because the member was not pleased with a little black speck, no questions asked.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2842/33943082580_6a8548dd23_c.jpg

gorillaz
05-01-2017, 02:16 PM
^^ lol

GeechQuest
05-01-2017, 02:21 PM
First off I asked you the condition of the case and you said:

When I bought it was crooked but I tapped it around and got it straight. Not bad. It def won't affect much or touch the card . I'd do 190 if interested. Than

When you said it didn't touch the card I was fine with it but when I received the nameplate was all the way down touching the card. Who would want that for 200 dollars spent? I received the card and it was exactly like this picture below. I did not tap it or anything. When it left it did not have a crack on the bottom of the case that must have been from you tapping it on the wood.

I politely asked for a refund. Is that not what trading is suppose to be about? If someone contacted me about a card they were not happy about I would return the card. Heck I returned a graded gem card because the member was not pleased with a little black speck, no questions asked.




Why do you and Snick103 have the same Ronnie Lott pictures for sale? It's obvious that you two are the same, nobody formats their prices that way (75).

The one you posted in the "Anyone for Highend Quicksales?' thread is obviously a screenshot of Snick103's "**Quick Sales**Dont Miss Out**" thread.


SNICK103

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4159/33547538934_bc888a65b9_z.jpg



http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/837785-quick-sales-dont-miss-out.html


SPORTSCARDS12


https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2831/34230784162_3fd2f25fcc_z.jpg


http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/1106495-anyone-highend-quicksales.html

Sportscards12
05-01-2017, 02:22 PM
Actually look at the scans closely. Don't you think if it was hammered than it would show on my scan right there in the front? I didn't touch the card this is exactly how it came out of the package.

jlzinck
05-01-2017, 02:28 PM
First off I asked you the condition of the case and you said:

When I bought it was crooked but I tapped it around and got it straight. Not bad. It def won't affect much or touch the card . I'd do 190 if interested. Than

When you said it didn't touch the card I was fine with it but when I received the nameplate was all the way down touching the card. Who would want that for 200 dollars spent? I received the card and it was exactly like this picture below. I did not tap it or anything. When it left it did not have a crack on the bottom of the case that must have been from you tapping it on the wood.

I politely asked for a refund. Is that not what trading is suppose to be about? If someone contacted me about a card they were not happy about I would return the card. Heck I returned a graded gem card because the member was not pleased with a little black speck, no questions asked.


Bye Bye PBM

Ray Rice from these 2 threads are the same so are the pricing typing trends


http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/837785-quick-sales-dont-miss-out.html

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/1102216-football-quick-sales.html

crazy4kinsler
05-01-2017, 02:44 PM
Notice he answered questions about the card stuff but not the same scan and PBM stuff. Avoiding it will make it go away.

jcardstore
05-01-2017, 02:45 PM
Good catch Tesla, unfortunately this scumbag will definitely be back. He's just not very smart so I'm sure he'll be banned again

ark8085
05-01-2017, 03:22 PM
How friggin hard was the guy banging on the edge of the case?

Kevin

Let's just say I can't even get the name plate to budge.. I looked for chipped pieces of plastic in the bubble mailer and there were none.
He really went to town on it. No way possible for it to get wedged like that. I even bought it with the name plate loose and it was easily adjusted to the right position when I got it.

Sportscards12
05-01-2017, 03:40 PM
There are some crazy accusations on here, not sure where all of this craziness comes from. I have contacted the Mods about this and will let them handle it from here on out. I did not tap or hit the card at all. Here are the before and after pictures below. As you can see the nameplate is clearly touching the card after delivery. If I would have tapped/hit the card as you indicated by your pictures than I am sure you would see the cracks on my picture below. Heck look at your picture above I don't see any cracks on the case either. Maybe you did all of this because. you were upset that I sent it back?

I have been buying and selling for a long time. This is the first card I have ever had to return. I am sure there are many members on here that can vouch for me from a trading/selling/buying standpoint.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2822/34228711176_0fc254edf7_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2842/33943082580_6a8548dd23_c.jpg

chippv
05-01-2017, 03:43 PM
There are some crazy accusations on here, not sure where all of this craziness comes from. I have contacted the Mods about this and will let them handle it from here on out. I did not tap or hit the card at all. Here are the before and after pictures below. As you can see the nameplate is clearly touching the card after delivery. If I would have tapped/hit the card as you indicated by your pictures than I am sure you would see the cracks on my picture below. Heck look at your picture above I don't see any cracks on the case either. Maybe you did all of this because. you were upset that I sent it back?

I have been buying and selling for a long time. This is the first card I have ever had to return. I am sure there are many members on here that can vouch for me from a trading/selling/buying standpoint.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2822/34228711176_0fc254edf7_o.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2842/33943082580_6a8548dd23_c.jpg

the one question that you keep avoiding is Are you Snick103?

glen87
05-01-2017, 03:46 PM
the one question that you keep avoiding is Are you Snick103?

BAM - guess so

RAV2773
05-01-2017, 03:48 PM
Stop! .......Hammer Time!

houdini
05-01-2017, 03:49 PM
I am prepared to create a thread with all his info in the thread title - name address dob birthweight IQ mothers maiden name...

From now on, if scamming pbm return to the forum using a new username, they are getting the scamming pbm treatment with their own thread all to themselves with a link emailed to their employer, mother, and high school principle.

crazy4kinsler
05-01-2017, 03:53 PM
Dang. Houdini just got serious. I like it. One tip though, if you send to their high school principal, make sure you spell it right, haha. Nice work houdini. :)!

I am prepared to create a thread with all his info in the thread title - name address dob birthweight IQ mothers maiden name...

From now on, if scamming pbm return to the forum using a new username, they are getting the scamming pbm treatment with their own thread all to themselves with a link emailed to their employer, mother, and high school principle.

glen87
05-01-2017, 03:54 PM
I am prepared to create a thread with all his info in the thread title - name address dob birthweight IQ mothers maiden name...

From now on, if scamming pbm return to the forum using a new username, they are getting the scamming pbm treatment with their own thread all to themselves with a link emailed to their employer, mother, and high school principle.
momma says:
http://i57.tinypic.com/1zocnba.jpg

ark8085
05-01-2017, 03:58 PM
I am prepared to create a thread with all his info in the thread title - name address dob birthweight IQ mothers maiden name...

From now on, if scamming pbm return to the forum using a new username, they are getting the scamming pbm treatment with their own thread all to themselves with a link emailed to their employer, mother, and high school principle.


This made me all warm and fuzzy inside. I've been waiting for this all day and the price of admission was worth it. (I guess)

cking
05-01-2017, 04:10 PM
I am prepared to create a thread with all his info in the thread title - name address dob birthweight IQ mothers maiden name...

From now on, if scamming pbm return to the forum using a new username, they are getting the scamming pbm treatment with their own thread all to themselves with a link emailed to their employer, mother, and high school principle.

I love you.......I mean it. I actually just fell in love with you.

IronMonkey415
05-01-2017, 05:12 PM
YES YES YES.. Post their address for my personal enjoyment.

Gay magazine
Animal poop in a box (A company will ship that to your enemy)

I'll mail all that crap to the address.

no10pin
05-01-2017, 05:18 PM
There are some crazy accusations on here, not sure where all of this craziness comes from. I have contacted the Mods about this and will let them handle it from here on out. I did not tap or hit the card at all. Here are the before and after pictures below. As you can see the nameplate is clearly touching the card after delivery. If I would have tapped/hit the card as you indicated by your pictures than I am sure you would see the cracks on my picture below. Heck look at your picture above I don't see any cracks on the case either. Maybe you did all of this because. you were upset that I sent it back?

I have been buying and selling for a long time. This is the first card I have ever had to return. I am sure there are many members on here that can vouch for me from a trading/selling/buying standpoint.


https://img.memesuper.com/b9d06990c33cc4b14d4be317b4850546_picture-it-is-done-meme_700-657.jpeg

SleeperCards
05-01-2017, 05:21 PM
I was pretty sure he was a PBM as he never used his own pictures for items, it was always either the picture from the eBay sale or member he purchased it from.

cking
05-01-2017, 05:38 PM
So who is Greg1680?

Siberian13
05-01-2017, 05:40 PM
Should I be worried if I purchased something from this member? I already received my item. There is no way to crack a card out of a BGS holder and insert a different one, right? I'm happy with my purchase. Should I worry it's stolen or anything like that?

majestik101
05-01-2017, 05:48 PM
"There are some crazy accusations on here, not sure where all of this craziness comes from... I have contacted the Mods about this and will let them handle it from here on out...."


https://media.giphy.com/media/d4aTnvQuF6xyfgWI/giphy.gif

jmscoggin
05-01-2017, 05:52 PM
I am prepared to create a thread with all his info in the thread title - name address dob birthweight IQ mothers maiden name...

From now on, if scamming pbm return to the forum using a new username, they are getting the scamming pbm treatment with their own thread all to themselves with a link emailed to their employer, mother, and high school principle.

This is fantastic news.

Curious why no one has mentioned the fact that it costs a whopping $5 to reslab a card. Good on the OP for doing the right thing and just accepting the return without an issue but he shouldn't have had to. He disclosed the issue up front and it was now the buyer's issue. Card still held full value, just needed to be reslabbed. I hate humans.

houdini
05-01-2017, 05:54 PM
Should I be worried if I purchased something from this member? I already received my item. There is no way to crack a card out of a BGS holder and insert a different one, right? I'm happy with my purchase. Should I worry it's stolen or anything like that?

stolen? maybe

fake/switched? probably safe

BostonNut
05-01-2017, 06:14 PM
Ha....this cat went off the deep end when the Pats made their comeback in the Super Bowl.

Believe he got popped back then for a few days because he couldn't handle it. :p

chezball
05-01-2017, 06:15 PM
Houdini.....warm that hammer up

https://media1.giphy.com/media/GPuVXyAmkMco0/200.webp#2-grid1
Gotta love when PBM's get the mods involve.:eek:

jhileman79
05-01-2017, 06:54 PM
Well I have dealt with Sportscards12 on several transactions and everything was perfect. He is a stand up guy and I will continue to do business with him. I enjoy this forum but there seems to be a lot of scamming and dishonest people here. It also seems people are quick to hop on their computer and bash someone with hearing one side. So much negativity over something we all love... OP sorry your holder is damaged but I know he wasn't trying to scam you.

4SeamCollect
05-01-2017, 07:04 PM
Well I have dealt with Sportscards12 on several transactions and everything was perfect. He is a stand up guy and I will continue to do business with him. I enjoy this forum but there seems to be a lot of scamming and dishonest people here. It also seems people are quick to hop on their computer and bash someone with hearing one side. So much negativity over something we all love... OP sorry your holder is damaged but I know he wasn't trying to scam you.

http://lewamack.com/Facebook/Pics/Confused-Surprised-Shocked-Q/Surprised-animated-black-and-white.gif

GeechQuest
05-01-2017, 07:05 PM
Well I have dealt with Sportscards12 on several transactions and everything was perfect. He is a stand up guy and I will continue to do business with him. I enjoy this forum but there seems to be a lot of scamming and dishonest people here. It also seems people are quick to hop on their computer and bash someone with hearing one side. So much negativity over something we all love... OP sorry your holder is damaged but I know he wasn't trying to scam you.

You don't KNOW that, you assume.

Unfortunately SportsCards12 has 0 credibility on this forum as he is a PBM. Could be a fine person overall, but PBMs get no love on Blowout.

jhileman79
05-01-2017, 07:09 PM
You don't KNOW that, you assume.



Unfortunately SportsCards12 has 0 credibility on this forum as he is a PBM. Could be a fine person overall, but PBMs get no love on Blowout.



I don't even know what a PBM is. I'm not up to date on the lingo.

I guess everyone on this forum doesn't know... they are all assuming.

hche
05-01-2017, 07:12 PM
I don't even know what a PBM is. I'm not up to date on the lingo.

I guess everyone on this forum doesn't know... they are all assuming.

PBM = Previously Banned Member.

It is against forum rule to create another account to join the forum if you are a previously banned member. Once you were banned and came back uncaught (like SportsCards12), then another issue came up and we found out you are a PBM, your credibility would go to 0 (or close to 0).

4SeamCollect
05-01-2017, 07:13 PM
I don't even know what a PBM is. I'm not up to date on the lingo.

I guess everyone on this forum doesn't know... they are all assuming.

If you read this thread then you'll know what a PBM is. But just for clarification, it is a previously banned member. You're white knighting for a known scammer. I would avoid this if I were you.

jhileman79
05-01-2017, 07:13 PM
PBM = Previously Banned Member.



Thank you

jhileman79
05-01-2017, 07:17 PM
If you read this thread then you'll know what a PBM is. But just for clarification, it is a previously banned member. You're white knighting for a known scammer. I would avoid this if I were you.



So was he banned before for scamming? Who did he scam? Or did someone get their feelings hurt by him.

kevinh1919
05-01-2017, 07:20 PM
BAM - guess so

https://media3.giphy.com/media/XVfp4nBiLibks/200.gif#137-grid4

4SeamCollect
05-01-2017, 07:21 PM
So was he banned before for scamming? Who did he scam? Or did someone get their feelings hurt by him.

You make a good point here. I guess calling him a scammer was a bit much in my part. I actually don't know why he was banned. He could have just been aggressive in a thread or something.

Edit: White knighting never looks good for you in these types of situations though. I don't think anyone ever really considers the good that a PBM may have done. It falls to the wayside once they get banned. I think it's best to just leave it be :)

kevinh1919
05-01-2017, 07:32 PM
Should I be worried if I purchased something from this member? I already received my item. There is no way to crack a card out of a BGS holder and insert a different one, right? I'm happy with my purchase. Should I worry it's stolen or anything like that?

stolen? maybe

fake/switched? probably safe

https://media.giphy.com/media/aeASWU7heBIsM/giphy.gif

jhileman79
05-01-2017, 07:39 PM
You make a good point here. I guess calling him a scammer was a bit much in my part. I actually don't know why he was banned. He could have just been aggressive in a thread or something.

Edit: White knighting never looks good for you in these types of situations though. I don't think anyone ever really considers the good that a PBM may have done. It falls to the wayside once they get banned. I think it's best to just leave it be :)



I was just trying to give my side, I don't care what it looks like. I like the guy and always had good dealings with him. I'm not trying to white knight anyone. Just giving my opinion.

Siberian13
05-01-2017, 08:38 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/aeASWU7heBIsM/giphy.gif

Damn you hamburgler!

houdini
05-01-2017, 09:58 PM
Well I have dealt with Sportscards12 on several transactions and everything was perfect. He is a stand up guy and I will continue to do business with him. I enjoy this forum but there seems to be a lot of scamming and dishonest people here. It also seems people are quick to hop on their computer and bash someone with hearing one side. So much negativity over something we all love... OP sorry your holder is damaged but I know he wasn't trying to scam you.

Yeah, he has the character of a saint.

I tell you what, I will post a couple messages from Saint Snick here and if turns out he really is a scumbag, you can follow him to his next forum and vouch for him there.

What do you think?

RAV2773
05-01-2017, 10:03 PM
Yeah, he has the character of a saint.

I tell you what, I will post a couple messages from Saint Snick here and if turns out he really is a scumbag, you can follow him to his next forum and vouch for him there.

What do you think?

Insert "Do it" gif here

wheeler281
05-01-2017, 10:04 PM
Yeah, he has the character of a saint.

I tell you what, I will post a couple messages from Saint Snick here and if turns out he really is a scumbag, you can follow him to his next forum and vouch for him there.

What do you think?

Please do. He was real winner when I was a mod on the old CCW lol

jhileman79
05-01-2017, 10:04 PM
Yeah, he has the character of a saint.

I tell you what, I will post a couple messages from Saint Snick here and if turns out he really is a scumbag, you can follow him to his next forum and vouch for him there.

What do you think?



Well I can't speak for your dealings with him I was just going on my transactions with him. He has been nothing but respectful and fair in our trades and I have bought cards from him. If you had a bad experience with him and wish to share go for it. I'm sure everyone has had a bad deal before or said something in an email they regret.
As for following him to another forum I guess thats up to you. I was just giving my opinion. I enjoy it on here and have met some great people who are now my friends.
Go Noles!!

hche
05-01-2017, 10:09 PM
Yeah, he has the character of a saint.

I tell you what, I will post a couple messages from Saint Snick here and if turns out he really is a scumbag, you can follow him to his next forum and vouch for him there.

What do you think?

How many times did he try to come back? When I searched SNICK103 on the forum, it seems like he tried to come back with different user name several times.

RAV2773
05-01-2017, 10:15 PM
Well I can't speak for your dealings with him I was just going on my transactions with him. He has been nothing but respectful and fair in our trades and I have bought cards from him. If you had a bad experience with him and wish to share go for it. I'm sure everyone has had a bad deal before or said something in an email they regret.
As for following him to another forum I guess thats up to you. I was just giving my opinion. I enjoy it on here and have met some great people who are now my friends.
Go Noles!!

It might not seem like white knighting to you, but it does to everyone else. You can give your opinion on anything you want, but it's not doing you any good here, as you can see. So its probably best if you just keep that opinion to yourself from now on if you really do enjoy it here.

jhileman79
05-01-2017, 10:25 PM
It might not seem like white knighting to you, but it does to everyone else. You can give your opinion on anything you want, but it's not doing you any good here, as you can see. So its probably best if you just keep that opinion to yourself from now on if you really do enjoy it here.



Thanks for there advice. I appreciate your opinion on the matter and I am going to leave it alone now. All I wanted to do was show that for every bad deal with a person there are plenty of good deals. I'm sorry he and the OP had a bad deal.
In closing I guess we should all buy PSA cards because the label never falls out of place!
Have a good night!!
Jared

houdini
05-02-2017, 12:17 AM
How many times did he try to come back? When I searched SNICK103 on the forum, it seems like he tried to come back with different user name several times.

I have about half a dozen.

mikecala98
05-02-2017, 12:23 AM
How was I the only person to leave Snick103 a negative iTrader? Dude was a grade A mess.

tonedef2oo8
05-02-2017, 07:13 AM
Well I have dealt with Sportscards12 on several transactions and everything was perfect. He is a stand up guy and I will continue to do business with him. I enjoy this forum but there seems to be a lot of scamming and dishonest people here. It also seems people are quick to hop on their computer and bash someone with hearing one side. So much negativity over something we all love... OP sorry your holder is damaged but I know he wasn't trying to scam you.

He was also a PBM who is not allowed here. So he was a scammer who dont follow rules.

Houdini really needs to start banning dopes who do this right here. Youre vouching for scam artist PBM.

jhileman79
05-02-2017, 07:16 AM
He was also a PBM who is not allowed here. So he was a scammer who dont follow rules.



Houdini really needs to start banning dopes who do this right here. Youre vouching for scam artist PBM.



Well he didn't scam me. We had several easy transactions. That is what I was saying. Sorry you got your feelings all hurt.

tonedef2oo8
05-02-2017, 07:20 AM
Well he didn't scam me. We had several easy transactions. That is what I was saying. Sorry you got your feelings all hurt.

Thats wonderful for you. Want to go to a hospital and run in the emergency room and tell everyone you are not sick? shhhhhhh leave it alone.

jmscoggin
05-02-2017, 08:30 AM
Well he didn't scam me. We had several easy transactions. That is what I was saying. Sorry you got your feelings all hurt.

Why would someone white knight for a person that is no longer a member? Seriously, what is the upside? I wouldn't risk my reputation for many current members and sure wouldn't do it for someone that was no longer here anyways.

Never mind the fact that he was a PBM so white knighting here was foolish in the first place. Add in the drama he caused about the card being worthless due to a stupid chip that could have been fixed for $5 and I just can't comprehend why you ever felt the need to come to his defense.

chippv
05-02-2017, 08:50 AM
Houdini or OP can you post/pm me the guys name? I have a feeling it is the same guy in one of our FB groups and I should probably contact the group mod to warn the other members.

kevinh1919
05-02-2017, 09:28 AM
Well he didn't scam me. We had several easy transactions. That is what I was saying. Sorry you got your feelings all hurt.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/qMwnFqWCORRgk/giphy.gif

Internazionale
05-02-2017, 01:33 PM
Not defending the buyer here, but I also made an offer (for what you sold it for) on the card not knowing the nameplate was loose because you didn't specify this in your sale thread. Had I known this, I wouldn't have made an offer and got put on your ignore list because you came back a few days later saying you would take the $190 and I refused saying I wasn't interested in the card anymore. Your response? ''LMAO! Your my first person on my blocked list with that crappy attitude. Welcome! Why wasn't this information disclosed in the first place?

ark8085
05-02-2017, 01:43 PM
I sent the user above a polite message saying I could do 190. His response .."I was a buyer when I sent you a fair offer, now im not sorry"
To be honest I don't have time for jerks. Yeah so now 2 people on my blocked list over this Mancini blue. It's cursed.
I told the buyer that the name plate was loose. You think I'm trying to hide something? LMAO yourself!

Internazionale
05-02-2017, 01:48 PM
I sent the user above a polite message saying I could do 190. His response .."I was a buyer when I sent you a fair offer, now im not sorry"
To be honest I don't have time for jerks. Yeah so now 2 people on my blocked list over this Mancini blue. It's cursed.
I told the buyer that the name plate was loose. You think I'm trying to hide something? LMAO yourself!

Way to not answer the question, and your response shows who the jerk really is :)!

ark8085
05-02-2017, 01:54 PM
I over looked it. So now answer my question. Why ya gotta be a jerk? You could have reworded your answer with a simple no thanks or even ignore.. why the retort?

Internazionale
05-02-2017, 02:04 PM
I over looked it. So now answer my question. Why ya gotta be a jerk? You could have reworded your answer with a simple no thanks or even ignore.. why the retort?

Dood your answer is/was totally uncalled for. Why am I a jerk for passing on your card days down the line? Ignoring PM's is not my style like alot of other people. Have a good day sir, I got the answer I was looking for.

jmscoggin
05-02-2017, 02:26 PM
I sent the user above a polite message saying I could do 190. His response .."I was a buyer when I sent you a fair offer, now im not sorry"
To be honest I don't have time for jerks. Yeah so now 2 people on my blocked list over this Mancini blue. It's cursed.
I told the buyer that the name plate was loose. You think I'm trying to hide something? LMAO yourself!

I noticed you glossed over the part about not disclosing the damaged nameplate, wonder why that is. The response above is ridiculous, immature and unprofessional. I'm thinking the card isn't cursed, it just has a crappy salesman.

jcardstore
05-02-2017, 02:32 PM
I noticed you glossed over the part about not disclosing the damaged nameplate, wonder why that is. The response above is ridiculous, immature and unprofessional. I'm thinking the card isn't cursed, it just has a crappy salesman.

http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5723821ec53fec9b76cb4c6a/master/w_690,c_limit/HARRY-BOOM.gif

Verufian
05-02-2017, 04:01 PM
Well he didn't scam me. We had several easy transactions. That is what I was saying. Sorry you got your feelings all hurt.

It appears to me that you are the one that got your feelings hurt, as you seem to have a compulsion of repeating yourself over and over without accepting anyone else's advice.

It's quite ironic. I mean, if you are in a room with 9 people, and someone walks in and kills those 9, but complements your shirt, he's still a murderer. But to you, he's a nice guy, since he didn't murder you, and instead gave you a complement.

cowboysfball30
05-02-2017, 05:33 PM
I noticed you glossed over the part about not disclosing the damaged nameplate, wonder why that is. The response above is ridiculous, immature and unprofessional. I'm thinking the card isn't cursed, it just has a crappy salesman.

Sounds like we are getting close to a sequel!!! Maybe it will turn in to a trilogy?! Haven't seen anything have decent since the Matrix! :)

ark8085
05-02-2017, 06:06 PM
I noticed you glossed over the part about not disclosing the damaged nameplate, wonder why that is. The response above is ridiculous, immature and unprofessional. I'm thinking the card isn't cursed, it just has a crappy salesman.

I'm in the process of helping blowout cards members with future headaches. And now your questioning my integrity??

I have no quirrel with you but you are way off here. I bought the card 3-4 months ago and forgot the name plate was loose. When the buyer asked me it reminded me that the name plate was loose and he was notified before any deal was ever made .
What exactly am I trying to gloss over??

Maybe I was off on that day with my response to the above member, maybe he was to with his response to me.. no reason to assume I'm a bad salesman since we never even dealt with eachother. ..

TWard
05-02-2017, 06:50 PM
I noticed you glossed over the part about not disclosing the damaged nameplate, wonder why that is. The response above is ridiculous, immature and unprofessional. I'm thinking the card isn't cursed, it just has a crappy salesman.


http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/tylersportsguy/GIFs%20-%20Memes/F5FC35D0-556D-41BC-9581-27A3AE8EAD74_zpsvbgbqmai.gif (http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/tylersportsguy/media/GIFs%20-%20Memes/F5FC35D0-556D-41BC-9581-27A3AE8EAD74_zpsvbgbqmai.gif.html)

Highender
05-02-2017, 08:24 PM
I'd like to start out by saying I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with anybody, or contest Houdinis' decision to ban this member.

I'd do the same for any of my other friends from the boards.

The sole purpose of this message is communicate a message to the numerous poeple who have dealt with sportscards12/snick103 in the past.

Asking to much for cards sometimes - Guilty
Hard to deal with sometimes - Guilty
Trying to get the most for his cards - Guilty

The accused can be found quilty on all the charges above, but tell me were that's an example of scamming?

Call me a white knight and jump all over me all you want, like you did Jhileman for adding his opinion.

This member was banned for having multiple accounts and not for Scamming anyone. If anyone has proof that they were scammed, which is stealing cards, not paying for item received, not providing the card discussed in the trade/sale etc. please provide proof.

I have done numerous high end deals with accused and every single time it went flawlessly. So to re-iterate he is no scammer. Banned for multiple accounts yes, ever banned for scamming on this or any other trade site, and the answer is No.

What happened to just old fashioned trading, seems nowadays poeple are more addicted to the drama, than the cards.

IronMonkey415
05-02-2017, 08:31 PM
People need to start dealing with me more often

Quick, Simple, no hassle, honorable and comes with amazing gif

http://i64.tinypic.com/6ifrwz.jpg

cobravetteki
05-02-2017, 09:03 PM
I'd like to start out by saying I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with anybody, or contest Houdinis' decision to ban this member.

I'd do the same for any of my other friends from the boards.

The sole purpose of this message is communicate a message to the numerous poeple who have dealt with sportscards12/snick103 in the past.

Asking to much for cards sometimes - Guilty
Hard to deal with sometimes - Guilty
Trying to get the most for his cards - Guilty

The accused can be found quilty on all the charges above, but tell me were that's an example of scamming?

Call me a white knight and jump all over me all you want, like you did Jhileman for adding his opinion.

This member was banned for having multiple accounts and not for Scamming anyone. If anyone has proof that they were scammed, which is stealing cards, not paying for item received, not providing the card discussed in the trade/sale etc. please provide proof.

I have done numerous high end deals with accused and every single time it went flawlessly. So to re-iterate he is no scammer. Banned for multiple accounts yes, ever banned for scamming on this or any other trade site, and the answer is No.

What happened to just old fashioned trading, seems nowadays poeple are more addicted to the drama, than the cards.

I guess I'll take a beating as well...No upside to defending a banned member, I guess just being a decent human being. Agree with the OP. I have done multiple HIGH end Buy/Sell/Trades with this guy never had an issue. Just sad it turns out this way....

GeechQuest
05-02-2017, 09:17 PM
I guess I'll take a beating as well...No upside to defending a banned member, I guess just being a decent human being. Agree with the OP. I have done multiple HIGH end Buy/Sell/Trades with this guy never had an issue. Just sad it turns out this way....

Do any of you guys standing up for him know why he was banned originally?

Plenty of the people on the board know him as a liar and someone who doesn't keep their word.

He'd been banned before and kept coming back even though he knew it was against the rules. When confronted about being the Snick103 member in this thread he ignored it. He couldn't follow basic rules, but you guys would trust him? He deflected away from the real issue in this thread of being a PBM. The guy was no good for the forum, regardless of how many good transactions he had.

jmscoggin
05-02-2017, 09:23 PM
I'd like to start out by saying I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with anybody, or contest Houdinis' decision to ban this member.

I'd do the same for any of my other friends from the boards.

The sole purpose of this message is communicate a message to the numerous poeple who have dealt with sportscards12/snick103 in the past.

Asking to much for cards sometimes - Guilty
Hard to deal with sometimes - Guilty
Trying to get the most for his cards - Guilty

The accused can be found quilty on all the charges above, but tell me were that's an example of scamming?

Call me a white knight and jump all over me all you want, like you did Jhileman for adding his opinion.

This member was banned for having multiple accounts and not for Scamming anyone. If anyone has proof that they were scammed, which is stealing cards, not paying for item received, not providing the card discussed in the trade/sale etc. please provide proof.

I have done numerous high end deals with accused and every single time it went flawlessly. So to re-iterate he is no scammer. Banned for multiple accounts yes, ever banned for scamming on this or any other trade site, and the answer is No.

What happened to just old fashioned trading, seems nowadays poeple are more addicted to the drama, than the cards.

Please point me to the post where he was called a scammer, I can't recall it ever happening. All of the things you agree he's guilty of, yes. Being a PBM, yes but I don't remember one instance of him being called a crook.

Siberian13
05-02-2017, 09:31 PM
Please point me to the post where he was called a scammer, I can't recall it ever happening. All of the things you agree he's guilty of, yes. Being a PBM, yes but I don't remember one instance of him being called a crook.

Page 1, banging on case with a hammer sounds like scamming. Probably stuff like that.

ark8085
05-02-2017, 09:33 PM
Yeah I'm sorry it turns out this way too...after all his petty actions costed me.
I don't think most people would want to to deal with somebody like this but I guess there's always a few...

jmscoggin
05-02-2017, 09:35 PM
Page 1, banging on case with a hammer sounds like scamming. Probably stuff like that.

Meh, it's amazing how little it takes to ruffle the panties of some people.

duron
05-02-2017, 09:57 PM
He'd been banned before and kept coming back even though he knew it was against the rules. When confronted about being the Snick103 member in this thread he ignored it. He couldn't follow basic rules, but you guys would trust him? He deflected away from the real issue in this thread of being a PBM. The guy was no good for the forum, regardless of how many good transactions he had.

It's absolutely AMAZING how so many people consistently cannot grasp this.

houdini
05-02-2017, 10:32 PM
snick103 has zero integrity and zero character.

When he doesn't get his way he throws childish tantrums and has the mouth of a spoiled 13yo child on youtube.

If you deal with him anyway, you are a fool.

Anyone who continued to deal with him knowing he had been banned multiple times and was an accomplice in allowing a pbm to stay in hiding on the boards is no better than the pbm.

He has a neg for agreeing to a deal and then backing out.

He also left that member a retaliatory neg in which he very clearly lied. "This is Bs we never agreed to a deal. He is a tool"

When he was suspended, he was angry and began reporting everyone. (We get this a lot - even had one member say "you will be very busy going forward" - it is the quickest way to absolutely ruin any and all credibility or goodwill you may have had with the mod team.)

However, when he himself was justly reported for bumping (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/839913-snick103s-quicker-than-quick-sales.html#post8837179), he blew a gasket.

snick103 - 2/27/15 - 4th Warning - 3 Days - http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-singles-buy-sell-trade/839913-snick103s-quicker-than-quick-sales.html[/QUOTE]

############ added by me.

Really?? You and this site are douche bags and are full of BS ###### u all

You and your staff are a bunch of #######!! if you want to talk about a "Real Site" hit me up

Blowoutis a huge joke

Since, he has been back as (not counting anything I just deleted without logging):

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: coltsfan1 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/coltsfan1.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Colts17 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/colts17.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Evets (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/evets.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Sportscards12 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/sportscards12.html)

So much for that "real site" he was so proud of... but hey, if this is the kind of person you want to have transactions with, by all means have at it. Just not here. I'd tell you to go find him on his "real site" but honestly he won't be there. He spends all his time trying to worm his way back on this one.

He has been accused of scamming before http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football/268535-i-need-opinions-scammers-like-idiot.html although neither party came out very well in that one. Eventually the mod just removed both negs when snick103 admitted that he should just trade it himself instead of trying to return it.

kevinh1919
05-02-2017, 10:52 PM
snick103 has zero integrity and zero character.

When he doesn't get his way he throws childish tantrums and has the mouth of a spoiled 13yo child on youtube.

If you deal with him anyway, you are a fool.

Anyone who continued to deal with him knowing he had been banned multiple times and was an accomplice in allowing a pbm to stay in hiding on the boards is no better than the pbm.

He has a neg for agreeing to a deal and then backing out.

He also left that member a retaliatory neg in which he very clearly lied. "This is Bs we never agreed to a deal. He is a tool"

When he was suspended, he was angry and began reporting everyone. (We get this a lot - even had one member say "you will be very busy going forward" - it is the quickest way to absolutely ruin any and all credibility or goodwill you may have had with the mod team.)

However, when he himself was justly reported for bumping (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/839913-snick103s-quicker-than-quick-sales.html#post8837179), he blew a gasket.

snick103 - 2/27/15 - 4th Warning - 3 Days - http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-singles-buy-sell-trade/839913-snick103s-quicker-than-quick-sales.html

############ added by me.







Since, he has been back as (not counting anything I just deleted without logging):

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: coltsfan1 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/coltsfan1.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Colts17 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/colts17.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Evets (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/evets.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Sportscards12 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/sportscards12.html)

So much for that "real site" he was so proud of... but hey, if this is the kind of person you want to have transactions with, by all means have at it. Just not here. I'd tell you to go find him on his "real site" but honestly he won't be there. He spends all his time trying to worm his way back on this one.

He has been accused of scamming before http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football/268535-i-need-opinions-scammers-like-idiot.html although neither party came out very well in that one. Eventually the mod just removed both negs when snick103 admitted that he should just trade it himself instead of trying to return it.[/QUOTE]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/obg1hvwijzmuc/200w.gif#8-grid2

hche
05-03-2017, 12:53 AM
Well, before Haiku situation blew up, didn't a bunch of people say they had perfect transactions with him? And what that became?

When someone KNOWS it is against the rule to come back after getting banned and keeps trying to come back, there is something wrong with him.

TWard
05-03-2017, 01:24 AM
snick103 has zero integrity and zero character.

When he doesn't get his way he throws childish tantrums and has the mouth of a spoiled 13yo child on youtube.

If you deal with him anyway, you are a fool.

Anyone who continued to deal with him knowing he had been banned multiple times and was an accomplice in allowing a pbm to stay in hiding on the boards is no better than the pbm.

He has a neg for agreeing to a deal and then backing out.

He also left that member a retaliatory neg in which he very clearly lied. "This is Bs we never agreed to a deal. He is a tool"

When he was suspended, he was angry and began reporting everyone. (We get this a lot - even had one member say "you will be very busy going forward" - it is the quickest way to absolutely ruin any and all credibility or goodwill you may have had with the mod team.)

However, when he himself was justly reported for bumping (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-buy-sell-trade/839913-snick103s-quicker-than-quick-sales.html#post8837179), he blew a gasket.

snick103 - 2/27/15 - 4th Warning - 3 Days - http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-singles-buy-sell-trade/839913-snick103s-quicker-than-quick-sales.html

############ added by me.







Since, he has been back as (not counting anything I just deleted without logging):

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: coltsfan1 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/coltsfan1.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Colts17 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/colts17.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Evets (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/evets.html)

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: Sportscards12 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/sportscards12.html)

So much for that "real site" he was so proud of... but hey, if this is the kind of person you want to have transactions with, by all means have at it. Just not here. I'd tell you to go find him on his "real site" but honestly he won't be there. He spends all his time trying to worm his way back on this one.

He has been accused of scamming before http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football/268535-i-need-opinions-scammers-like-idiot.html although neither party came out very well in that one. Eventually the mod just removed both negs when snick103 admitted that he should just trade it himself instead of trying to return it.[/QUOTE]


Wow, definitely sounds like a class act. Good job, Houdini.

wheeler281
05-03-2017, 03:50 AM
People actually dealing with a member while knowing he is PBM is classic. How can they defend the way he spews that garbage in PMs to one of the most respected members on the board? What a great look

hche
05-03-2017, 10:56 AM
Anyone who continued to deal with him knowing he had been banned multiple times and was an accomplice in allowing a pbm to stay in hiding on the boards is no better than the pbm.

So true. There is a reason why we banned people from the board.

tonedef2oo8
05-03-2017, 12:06 PM
Those members knowingly hiding him are in fact hurting this place by allowing frauds here, maybe some timeouts are in place. Hell banning would not be crazy as in the long run whats next. Allowing haiku back but no one knows its him besides his friends?

jmscoggin
05-03-2017, 12:40 PM
Those members knowingly hiding him are in fact hurting this place by allowing frauds here, maybe some timeouts are in place. Hell banning would not be crazy as in the long run whats next. Allowing haiku back but no one knows its him besides his friends?

You say this as if him/they left to begin with. :coffee: