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[Viking6]

If you don't want to deal with another clown... Your Call

eBay ID: jonmckasson2009

2017 Bowman Chrome Ascent Autograph Bryce Harper Auto Washington Nationals
2017 Bowman Chrome Ascent Autograp
Price: $179.00
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Item ID: 282462994533
Quantity Remaining: 1


jonmckasson2009:
One of these just sold for $113 on eBay. What's the lowest you will go?

Me:
Lol just try and get one on auction. I get multiple 140+ Offers a day.

jonmckasson2009:
Lol. Be a douche. I asked what is the lowest you would take. One just sold for $113.61 eBay item#361974458330. Lol.

Me:
Cool. Good for you having that comp. I have a $160 offer right now... you wanna top it? Something tells me you are gonna pass...

Have a good night




I accepted the $160 offer mainly out of spite. 30 minutes later somebody hits the BIN on one of my other listings. What a suprise... its
jonmckasson2009. Ohhh Joy. I canceled the listing knowing full well he is about to NEG me....

New message to: jonmckasson2009
Seriously?

You are going to buy something to give me a negative cause i don't care about your auction comp?




And of course....

Negative feedback rating Paid instantly. Seller refused to ship. BTW, what's a comp? Lol

Buyer:Member id jonmckasson2009

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I know I can just contact eBay and most likely get it removed.... First neg in 18 years. Gotta love this guy.

[Divino]

Granted...I hate when someone quotes a low sale and asks the dreaded question "whats the lowest you'll take", but you came off quite aggressive from the start.

No question the guy was out of line, but you probably could have avoided the situation entirely.

[chrisfaceoff]

To be honest, I feel you both were petty about this entire situation.

If you would have politely declined his offer and said the lowest you are willing to take was $XXX.XX, I feel like this entire situation could have been avoided.

[Viking6]

Anytime somebody links some anomaly junk auction comp.... I don't care anymore

Next time ill just respond "179" To what is the lowest i will go. Not even take the time to laugh at him for being THAT GUY

[webb_jr]

Yeah, that conversation style was a bad idea. That said, I still don't like vindictive buyers and he will be blocked. Remember, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Even with the worst of people, it's better to be nice.

[webb_jr]

Anytime somebody links some anomaly junk auction comp.... I don't care anymore

Next time ill just respond "179" To what is the lowest i will go. Not even take the time to laugh at him for being THAT GUY

It's definitely better to have the number you want settled in your mind. Then you can decide if a buyer who gets close to that number is a good buyer. That's why I hate running BIN/BO. You have to baby sit. The upside is you can decide who you want to sell to. The downside is, you have to deal with the mouth breathers who will try comp you to death. Comps don't mean that much to me when a player is hot. If they don't understand that, then they are not good candidates for purchasing the card.

[Cavaliercards]

I agree he probably wanted to give a negative but maybe he wanted to buy and combine shipping and wanted to know how low you would go on the Harper.

I don't see why you had to be hostile from go and I think the situation could have been handled better.

[Viking6]

I agree he probably wanted to give a negative but maybe he wanted to buy and combine shipping and wanted to know how low you would go on the Harper.

I don't see why you had to be hostile from go and I think the situation could have been handled better.

He bought the Bridgewater card 30-45 minutes after i sold the Harper to somebody else. No way he wanted to combine shipping.


As far as being hostile from the go.... You ask a stupid question and you deserve a stupid answer. His negotiating tactic is "He is a comp for $113... What is the lowest you will go?"

Sorry. "What is the lowest you will go?" Does not deserve any type of respectful response from me. Especially after listing some junk comp when tons of others have sold this week for $140-150.

[RAV2773]

I would have to agree with everyone else, you pretty much brought that onto yourself by your attitude right off the bat. All you had to do was ignore his initial message because you knew that he wasn't going to offer you anywhere near what you wanted for the card (since he quoted the low comp). Or you could've just said, I have a current offer of $160, so you're more than welcomed to offer more if interested.

[Super8er]

I have to agree, he started off with the same thing most offers start off with, the "I saw this recent similar item sell for $$$, how low will you go?" approach. It can be annoying, but it's valid. That said, I agree with everyone else - your response could have been a little more tactful and avoided everything that happened after.

[Divino]

He bought the Bridgewater card 30-45 minutes after i sold the Harper to somebody else. No way he wanted to combine shipping.


As far as being hostile from the go.... You ask a stupid question and you deserve a stupid answer. His negotiating tactic is "He is a comp for $113... What is the lowest you will go?"

Sorry. "What is the lowest you will go?" Does not deserve any type of respectful response from me. Especially after listing some junk comp when tons of others have sold this week for $140-150.

But look where that got you...Upset and stuck with a neg. You're the one that lost in this deal...buyer isn't out anything. Sometimes it's better to keep your emotions in check and just go about your business.

[Super8er]

I have to be ignorant and ask... what is a comp? I've been on ebay for almost 15 years but I don't do big volume or high-end.

[Cavaliercards]

He bought the Bridgewater card 30-45 minutes after i sold the Harper to somebody else. No way he wanted to combine shipping.


As far as being hostile from the go.... You ask a stupid question and you deserve a stupid answer. His negotiating tactic is "He is a comp for $113... What is the lowest you will go?"

Sorry. "What is the lowest you will go?" Does not deserve any type of respectful response from me. Especially after listing some junk comp when tons of others have sold this week for $140-150.

He may have just seen the Harper sale at that point and then bought an item he had in his cart. There's a 50-50 chance that was the case.

Sorry but I disagree I think you could have been a lot more respectful and handled it better on there, but your account your decision.

[Ray27Ray52]

I have to be ignorant and ask... what is a comp? I've been on ebay for almost 15 years but I don't do big volume or high-end.

Comp is short for comparable sales.

So if someone says "the last three comps are 120, 115, and 100" they are saying that was what the last three sales of the same card were for.

[Viking6]

I have to be ignorant and ask... what is a comp? I've been on ebay for almost 15 years but I don't do big volume or high-end.

He is just referencing a comparable or previous sale of the same item. 8-10 of these Harper redemptions have sold in the last week or so.

[Super8er]

Comp is short for comparable sales.

So if someone says "the last three comps are 120, 115, and 100" they are saying that was what the last three sales of the same card were for.

He is just referencing a comparable or previous sale of the same item. 8-10 of these Harper redemptions have sold in the last week or so.

Thanks! I was starting to gather that from the conversation, just wanted to be sure.

[no10pin]

Anytime somebody links some anomaly junk auction comp.... I don't care anymore

Next time ill just respond "179" To what is the lowest i will go. Not even take the time to laugh at him for being THAT GUY

That's exactly what you should do, or just ignore him completely. That escalated quickly because of the way you responded to him.

[scoobysnacks4u]

Sometimes the best response is no response at all. I never respond to someone who starts with "what is the lowest you will go", because 99% of them will then offer a price less than what you answer with. Not even worth engaging.

[shrevecity]

If you don't want to deal with another clown... Your Call

eBay ID: jonmckasson2009

2017 Bowman Chrome Ascent Autograph Bryce Harper Auto Washington Nationals
2017 Bowman Chrome Ascent Autograp
Price: $179.00
13 people are watching
Item ID: 282462994533
Quantity Remaining: 1


jonmckasson2009:
One of these just sold for $113 on eBay. What's the lowest you will go?

Me:
Lol just try and get one on auction. I get multiple 140+ Offers a day.

jonmckasson2009:
Lol. Be a douche. I asked what is the lowest you would take. One just sold for $113.61 eBay item#361974458330. Lol.

Me:
Cool. Good for you having that comp. I have a $160 offer right now... you wanna top it? Something tells me you are gonna pass...

Have a good night




I accepted the $160 offer mainly out of spite. 30 minutes later somebody hits the BIN on one of my other listings. What a suprise... its
jonmckasson2009. Ohhh Joy. I canceled the listing knowing full well he is about to NEG me....

New message to: jonmckasson2009
Seriously?

You are going to buy something to give me a negative cause i don't care about your auction comp?




And of course....

Negative feedback rating Paid instantly. Seller refused to ship. BTW, what's a comp? Lol

Buyer:Member id jonmckasson2009

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2014 Teddy Bridgewater RC Auto Score Blue Border Minnesota Vikings (#282462982894) US $19.95 View Item
2014 Teddy Bridgewater RC Auto Score Blue Border Minnesota Vikings
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I know I can just contact eBay and most likely get it removed.... First neg in 18 years. Gotta love this guy.

I doubt you could. You brought this on yourself. Its just as possible he had no intention of negging you at all, but your actions guaranteed it.

If he did not pay then that is another story.

[Branesergen]

Yup good luck getting that neg removed lol You really showed him didn't you??

[Brobocop]

Seems like the negative is 100% accurate and represents what happened. The buyer did leave a bit of wiggle room for it being removed with the comment "BTW, what's a comp? Lol". Seems like you two were made for each other. eBay should not be this hard. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. You had an offer of $160, that's what you should have told the buyer. A simple, "Thanks for your offer but I have an outstanding offer of $160 that is materially higher than your offer." Easy. Or better yet, just accept the $160 offer before replying and then message him saying that the card had already sold, but thank you for the offer.

[wegoingsizzler]

Customer service is totally lost on some sellers. When you put a card up on ebay with an intention to sell, you open yourself to millions of potential customers. How you interact with them will benefit or hurt your sales. We all like our customers to be nice and logical, but that is not always the case. As a seller, you have to handle yourself professionally.

Like many said, you could have handle the original reply so much better, but you didn't. It might not have came back to haunt you before, but this time it did. Also, look from the buyer's point of view. Don't you always want to pay less on an item? That is why we shop around for cars, clip coupons, etc. So what is the harm in asking? You never haggled in your entire life? Never know if the seller is in need of cash and willing to go lower..

[chrisfaceoff]

Customer service is totally lost on some sellers. When you put a card up on ebay with an intention to sell, you open yourself to millions of potential customers. How you interact with them will benefit or hurt your sales. We all like our customers to be nice and logical, but that is not always the case. As a seller, you have to handle yourself professionally.

Like many said, you could have handle the original reply so much better, but you didn't. It might not have came back to haunt you before, but this time it did. Also, look from the buyer's point of view. Don't you always want to pay less on an item? That is why we shop around for cars, clip coupons, etc. So what is the harm in asking? You never haggled in your entire life? Never know if the seller is in need of cash and willing to go lower..

This guy gets it.

While I wouldn't have been vindictive and left a neg, I also wouldn't bother to deal with you going forward. Actions have consequences, and hopefully going forward, you will know just to take the high road, whether the potential buyer is being petty or not. If you think someone would be a problem now or in the future, add them to the blocked list.

[Grimster]

Meh. You could have reacted better....but I probably would have done the same thing you did. The easiest way around that is to have a minimum acceptable offer and have ebay auto-reject those below it.

[Viking6]

While I wouldn't have been vindictive and left a neg, I also wouldn't bother to deal with you going forward. Actions have consequences, and hopefully going forward, you will know just to take the high road, whether the potential buyer is being petty or not. If you think someone would be a problem now or in the future, add them to the blocked list.

I did block them.... after i canceled the vindictive purchase. Not expecting somebody to go and purchase the lowest priced BIN/BO listing I have up for the specific purpose of leaving a negative.

My eBay ID is jpmpdaly as i did not include it in the OP. You are welcome to block me.

[Viking6]

The easiest way around that is to have a minimum acceptable offer and have ebay auto-reject those below it.

Ohh.... It was up and working. Auto Declining his $115 offer. None of his offers came through... This was the result of him sending me a message after the auto reject.



I will probably just block and ignore everybody who messages "What is the lowest you will go?" Unbelievable that people think that is a negotiating tactic. People need to go to business school or something.

[Ray27Ray52]

Ohh.... It was up and working. Auto Declining his $115 offer. None of his offers came through... This was the result of him sending me a message after the auto reject.



I will probably just block and ignore everybody who messages "What is the lowest you will go?" Unbelievable that people think that is a negotiating tactic. People need to go to business school or something.


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[Nuurgle]

I will probably just block and ignore everybody who messages "What is the lowest you will go?" Unbelievable that people think that is a negotiating tactic. People need to go to business school or something.

Buyers aren't the ones running a business. Treating potential customers like garbage and then blaming them when they leave bad reviews? Someone definitely needs to go to business school, but it's not who you are thinking.

[shrevecity]

Ohh.... It was up and working. Auto Declining his $115 offer. None of his offers came through... This was the result of him sending me a message after the auto reject.



I will probably just block and ignore everybody who messages "What is the lowest you will go?" Unbelievable that people think that is a negotiating tactic. People need to go to business school or something.

when someone messages you that, just return the question to them or simply ignore it. Usually in negotiation the first person to name a price is at the disadvantage. So it is a tool to get you to name your lowest price. With the way Ebay is monitoring listings for even a chance of an off Ebay transaction, I would likely not even respond to it, responding with the wrong word could result in a suspension from Ebay.

In your case I probably would have just accepted the 160 and never gotten into a conversation with the other. Usually when you get into those type conversations with an Ebay buyer, the seller loses.

[griffan15]

I will probably just block and ignore everybody who messages "What is the lowest you will go?"

This has saved me in the past. As soon as I get one of those "what's the lowest price, blah, blah, blah" you should block them and then respond.

However, respond nicely :)

Buyers can play as many games as they want and you fell for one. Learn from it and be prepared for the next one, that's all you can do.

For every 1 buyer who asks the dumb question, there are 20 that will be upfront and honest, so don't worry about "risking a potential sale in the future". You're preventing further headache because they will want even lower next time.

[hche]

I will probably just block and ignore everybody who messages "What is the lowest you will go?" Unbelievable that people think that is a negotiating tactic. People need to go to business school or something.

How is that not a negotiating tactic? How many times you have used "I have seen this at another store for $xx.xx. Will you go lower?". Isn't it used a lot on something like car sales? That is a complete valid tactic to try to get a lower price, especially when he quoted a valid sales price.

I think the buyer has bad intent when he bought another item from you. But your response brought everything on yourself. A simple response of "I have an offer of $____ and the lowest I will take is $____." would probably be the end of story. Another way is to ignore it. Or you can use the make offer function that comes with the message and send your lowest acceptable offer to that person. You could have sent him a $XX.00 offer and put a note you have an offer of $XX.00.

I think eBay is unlikely to remove the neg on you. To them, the buyer has done nothing wrong.

I get annoyed too when someone asked me for my lowest price. But if you respond rudely, you are in a no win situation.

[Jazzer540]

Unfortunately, I agree with others that you brought that on yourself a bit. It is a valid question online as well as in retail stores.

The way a buyer responds usually dictates if I am willing to buy from then and/or go higher in my price if they are true and friendly.
Them- "Last one went for this..."
You- "I saw that, I can't go that low, but I am willing to...."

[griffan15]

How is that not a negotiating tactic? How many times you have used "I have seen this at another store for $xx.xx. Will you go lower?". Isn't it used a lot on something like car sales? That is a complete valid tactic to try to get a lower price, especially when he quoted a valid sales price.



It's a tactic, but not a viable one in my opinion as eBay is an auction site. Stores can do price matches if they want since everything is a fixed price. However, you can't take a sale from the local flea market and walk into Nordstrom and try to make a deal. The 1 guy at the flea market would be willing to take under market price for various reasons, so you can't expect everyone to do the same.

Ebay auctions can end at 3am on a Tuesday night, so should that comp be weighted the same as one that ended Sunday night at 9pm? In those cases, the seller needs to research the comps further and eliminate the outliers.

[shrevecity]

It's a tactic, but not a viable one in my opinion as eBay is an auction site. Stores can do price matches if they want since everything is a fixed price. However, you can't take a sale from the local flea market and walk into Nordstrom and try to make a deal. The 1 guy at the flea market would be willing to take under market price for various reasons, so you can't expect everyone to do the same.

Ebay auctions can end at 3am on a Tuesday night, so should that comp be weighted the same as one that ended Sunday night at 9pm? In those cases, the seller needs to research the comps further and eliminate the outliers.

You also have no way of knowing if that auction was not being shown to all potential buyers due to a brownouts.

[hche]

It's a tactic, but not a viable one in my opinion as eBay is an auction site. Stores can do price matches if they want since everything is a fixed price. However, you can't take a sale from the local flea market and walk into Nordstrom and try to make a deal. The 1 guy at the flea market would be willing to take under market price for various reasons, so you can't expect everyone to do the same.

Ebay auctions can end at 3am on a Tuesday night, so should that comp be weighted the same as one that ended Sunday night at 9pm? In those cases, the seller needs to research the comps further and eliminate the outliers.

I respect your opinion. With eBay being an auction site, your example is exactly why it is a very viable tactic for buyers. They can always quote a low auction sales price ended at some weird time to try to make a seller go lower on price. It is up to the seller to research. How is it not a viable tactic for buyers to use?

[griffan15]

I respect your opinion. With eBay being an auction site, your example is exactly why it is a very viable tactic for buyers. They can always quote a low auction sales price ended at some weird time to try to make a seller go lower on price. It is up to the seller to research. How is it not a viable tactic for buyers to use?

I see your point and I agree, the seller should do their research on all viable comps.

However, you and I both know there are buyers that will ignore the best comps only to find the outliers and try to use those for negotiation purposes.

I've had some cards where I got some wild quote from buyers and couldn't find it in the search.......because I was searching cards and the comp was listed in some random store category. To me, that's not a viable comp......but the buyer will want you to believe it is. Should they disclose this information? Probably not, but they know they're trying to pull a fast one and hope they come across an unsuspecting seller.

[Viking6]

Someone definitely needs to go to business school, but it's not who you are thinking.

Ok... My choice of wording was probably not the greatest.

Luckily for me on eBay you need 1 person to want something enough to buy it from you... I could be a dick to 20 people to find that 21st that will pay 10-20% more than all the others. I am fine with it.

Collecting is a supply and demand business. My negotiating tactics work just fine. (Not that I was even negotiating with this guy when somebody quotes an auction at 113 when the average sales are 135-160)

[chrisfaceoff]

The more I look at this I agree with the buyer more and more(aside from the crappy buying up a low item just to leave a neg. That's just crappy, and I will block the buyer because of this alone)

He already put in an offer for $115, and that was over what he said the last one went for), so he wasn't trying to low ball you( now I cant check eBay for other completed listing prices so i'm not sure if the other cards sold-if there were any-were drastically higher than this)

Buyers only have x amount of offers they can place, and if I were in his shoes and really wanted thee card, I would reach out and inquire what the best you could do on it was before I just aimlessly shot offers out that might only be a smidge under your bottom line price.

However I believe you said that he bought the item from you 30 minutes after this entire situation went down. Why didn't you block him instantly if you felt he was going to be a problem, and not leave this up to chance?

Maybe if he used better wording in asking, this could have been avoided, but you were confrontational from the get go, and quickly went on the defensive, just like you are here because majority aren't siding with you.

A negative sucks, I have one because the guy called me a scammer, because I have multiple cards listed in a picture for several auction(but specifically state in the title what card it is, as well in the description) No one likes to have a blemish on their account, but hopefully you learn from this and it isn't an issue again for you in the future.

[Viking6]

He already put in an offer for $115, and that was over what he said the last one went for), so he wasn't trying to low ball you( now I cant check eBay for other completed listing prices so i'm not sure if the other cards sold-if there were any-were drastically higher than this)

The auction he quoted was the lowest sale by $20. 8-10 have sold between 133-170 and a couple early ones over 200

Buyers only have x amount of offers they can place, and if I were in his shoes and really wanted thee card, I would reach out and inquire what the best you could do on it was before I just aimlessly shot offers out that might only be a smidge under your bottom line price.

Why would I throw out a number to him? If my low price was $140 and he was willing to pay $160. I lose out on the extra funds. I have Best Offer and auto reject on for a reason. For all he knows my low is the 179 which the buy it now was set

However I believe you said that he bought the item from you 30 minutes after this entire situation went down. Why didn't you block him instantly if you felt he was going to be a problem, and not leave this up to chance?

Never have needed to before... In 18 years I only have 2 bidders on my block list. I probably only have 250-300 sales however.

Maybe if he used better wording in asking, this could have been avoided, but you were confrontational from the get go, and quickly went on the defensive, just like you are here because majority aren't siding with you.

I don't disagree with this... I knew I would be reamed for how I responded to his messages. I am cool with that. I did a search on the forums for his username and nothing came as a result of the search. My post was more for this to be archived

A negative sucks, I have one because the guy called me a scammer, because I have multiple cards listed in a picture for several auction(but specifically state in the title what card it is, as well in the description) No one likes to have a blemish on their account, but hopefully you learn from this and it isn't an issue again for you in the future.

Sadly this won't change except maybe to be a bit quicker on the blockage



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[chrisfaceoff]

Fair enough.

Like I said I didn't know the other prices, but if he was using up his offers, and only had a chance or two left, I totally understand him reaching out. He wanted the card, and you want the sale. That would be why I would given him a price. If you said $140, and he said best I can do is $125 or something, I would say no, I already provided my lowest price.

I dont know about anyone else, but if I see a Best offer as opposed to a BIN, I know they number the buyer has is not the only price he will take it for.

I hear you on the blocked list. I really haven't started using it until recently because of people who bid and do not pay. That is my most frustrating situation there. I have about 15 on my list, and probably 10 of those are because of NPB

[Nuurgle]

A simple response of "I have an unaccepted offer at $160" gives a ton of information and lets the buyer know if it's worth his time pursuing.

[jlzinck]

Next time I respond to one of these morons will be the 1st time.

[djolley86]

This guy got me today as well. Looks like he's been scamming for years and eBay/PP is not doing anything to stop him. Hit me with an "unauthorized purchase" case on PayPal. What a joke.