Some like to rip 90s wax...i prefer mine already opened my best find ever

[lietuvalabas]

So like clockwork i typically come home from work and peruse ebay looking for deals before i eat dinner and chill for the night. (i am not an ebay on my phone fan) so once i'm off the desktop that's it for the night which is nice.

Several weeks ago just like i normally do, i am on ebay after work. I come across a lot of cheaper insert cards and already opened boxes many of which were 90s. The seller stated that the boxes were filled with base and i figured as much as i saw the inserts and like okay yeah they probably pulled all the good stuff out and this is whats left. i put in an offer that gets auto accepted.

Now you're probably asking why would he even bother? mostly low end inserts and base boxes...who wants that? Well truth be told i saw the sellers lower feedback and thought maybe he wasn't a total insert pro and i saw a card which i thought was the parallel version of itself and i might make $50 or so. After looking at other examples of the card, i'm like "aww crap why did i buy this?" i usually pay immediately which i did and i don't re neg on deals anyhow so i just sucked it up. I then look at the sellers completed items to see if he had plucked the good stuff and had sold it, but saw nothing of the kind, only to see that he tried selling the lot before and no one had bit. :doh:

So okay...chalk this up as a lesson learned and don't be so quick to jump the gun yada yada yada. i was excited to get the mail that day though because i had other nice cards arriving, but kind of dreading even bothering with this package because i have enough 90s base cards to choke a horse. But a friend of mine's son just started collecting so i figured he might enjoy them...not all is lost.

I pull into my driveway and its a pretty warm day and as im pulling up i see the mail lady dropping the package on my porch i thank her and she says "your welcome, but boy was that heavy" i felt bad, i probably should have offered her a water....i think shes due next time after delivering this...heck she can have a blue moon. :)

I get into the house and open the big package last because well i don't want to look through base. But i'm hoping he left the Jordans. At least, maybe i can make a few dollars with some 90s jordan ba......nope! however he did leave 2 kobe base! yay :flex:

The second or third box i am sifting through is 1998-99 flair showcase right up top i see a row 2 bibby rookie, im like ok well its not worth anything but thats kinda neat. sift through about 6 more cards and i see it.....plain as day....that unmistakable purple foil, well unmistakable to most i guess. Unprotected just sitting in the box just like all the others, its not Issac Austin, its not Maurice Taylor or scrub Brian Skinner rc but Dirk...My heart starts beating a mile a minute, in my head i'm thinking there's no way...not a chance. No one would just leave this in there. I turned it over and see it, in all its purpley goodness "the only 1/1 masterpiece" i even yell out and im shaking. You have to understand i like cards but i've never gotten a shiver from a card before. I immediately think of the dreaded back doored fakes, so i go and compare it to a few others i found in some friends PCs and the stamp is spot on with theirs. I also come back to reality thinking if someone were to have a fake masterpiece in their possession they wouldn't just throw it in like "oh hey, its fake, let me mess with this idiot buyer" The guy just flat out missed it as he shuffled the cards through that pack! I think the only thing that saved me is that the purple foil on the row 2s dont have as much color contrast with the dark black backgrounds. Another reason i think he missed it....one of his featured inserts was one of the /1500 or /3000 or /6000 whichever row 1 regulars. he actually top loaded it. so had this been the row 1 dirk, i wouldn't be typing this right now. also in the box were jwill, pierce, maybe a vince rookie? cant recall. he also left duncan, tmac and billups etc in the 1997-98 boxes.

My initial thought was okay well the national is coming up, i can same day slab it with BGS there and walk it around the show and if i don't care for the offers i can just drop it there with PWCC if i want to. But a few hobby friends convinced me to just get it over with and grade it. So i spent a ton of money on 2 day grading with BGS (the shipping is the real killer, not the $40 grading itself) as i saw how PSA grades on value now...which is total BS. It got an 8.5 which i was happy with the silver label, but i think grade isn't really all that important here anyhow.

I don't think i will ever be able to top this find, and i'm just happy to share this with you guys/gals. Hope you enjoyed the read.

Oh and that card I initially bought the lot for was not the parallel version :coffee:


http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc415/lietuva_labas/dirkgradedfront_zps5d12bida.jpg (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/lietuva_labas/media/dirkgradedfront_zps5d12bida.jpg.html)

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc415/lietuva_labas/dirkgradedback_zpskjhlnsl3.jpg (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/lietuva_labas/media/dirkgradedback_zpskjhlnsl3.jpg.html)

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc415/lietuva_labas/dirkstamp_zpssfa9ofut.jpg (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/lietuva_labas/media/dirkstamp_zpssfa9ofut.jpg.html)

[MGoBlue]

Dude! This is the most amazing hobby find of all time. Hands down. There's just no better find. Unbelievable.

And that card has to be the best in the product. A friggin Dirk rookie Masterpiece. With all the European collectors out there, is hate to even imagine what this card could be worth. Given the bidding wars we saw with the recent Webber auctions, this card could be 10k+ to several collectors.


Just wow, man. Huge congrats.

[SPauthentic84]

Holy Crap

Awesome

[Pete]

WOW!!! Amazing story and find!! Huge Congrats!!!!

[Harper]

Wow. 8o

[ninjacookies]

Please link me to the auction. This deserves its own article on Beckett or something (though I'm sure the seller probably would rather not know).

Lol. That's gotta be what...at least a 10-15k card? I don't even.....

[lietuvalabas]

Please link me to the auction. This deserves its own article on Beckett or something (though I'm sure the seller probably would rather not know).

Lol. That's gotta be what...at least a 10-15k card? I don't even.....

yeah i mean as thrilled as i am, i wouldn't want the seller knowing and feeling bad. id be devastated

[Rareairx23]

Nobway. Hopy crap that is just unreal!

[thenwhatjk]

Somebody's moving out of their parents house!!!!

[lietuvalabas]

Somebody's moving out of their parents house!!!!

im literally loling because yeah this is actually quite accurate.

[gonygo]

wowzers....

[ninjacookies]

Seriously. I can imagine the tens of hundreds of diehard Dirk supercollectors worldwide who are probably wondering where this card is/has been or if it was even pulled after all these decades.

Little did they know....

[MGoBlue]

Please link me to the auction. This deserves its own article on Beckett or something (though I'm sure the seller probably would rather not know).

Lol. That's gotta be what...at least a 10-15k card? I don't even.....

Exactly my thoughts! I might call my local news. Hahahahaha.

But you nailed it, this could be one of those "sky's the limit" cards. I mean seriously, think of the bid wars that could happen. I mean I got into the same thing with Webber collectors recently when a collection hit eBay. It was incredible. $6100 for an 03-04 Exquisite 1/1. If a Webber can get that, this Dirk could be 15k or more to a Dirk collector. This could be like the Chinese collectors after rare Yao cards.....but even crazier.

I know one thing, I can't wait to watch this unfold. And it couldn't have happened to a cooler person than Lt Labia himself.

[TWard]

Wow, that's crazy and an impeccable find. That card is worth some serious, serious moolah. Damn.

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh516/tylersportsguy/GIFs%20-%20Memes/FBCE49C6-36E1-45A8-B64E-90CB8AE408F9_zpsgblydpcc.gif (http://s1249.photobucket.com/user/tylersportsguy/media/GIFs%20-%20Memes/FBCE49C6-36E1-45A8-B64E-90CB8AE408F9_zpsgblydpcc.gif.html)

[ninjacookies]

Exactly my thoughts! I might call my local news. Hahahahaha.

But you nailed it, this could be one of those "sky's the limit" cards. I mean seriously, think of the bid wars that could happen. I mean I got into the same thing with Webber collectors recently when a collection hit eBay. It was incredible. $6100 for an 03-04 Exquisite 1/1. If a Webber can get that, this Dirk could be 15k or more to a Dirk collector. This could be like the Chinese collectors after rare Yao cards.....but even crazier.

I know one thing, I can't wait to watch this unfold. And it couldn't have happened to a cooler person than Lt Labia himself.


And the Webber was a 10th year card. The fact that 90's inserts have had a value stronghold in the hobby for awhile now, combined with this being a true Dirk 1 of 1 rookie card. Man.

His logoman autos have pulled over 10g's and there are several of those in existence over the years.

This is pretty unreal considering the overall circumstances.

[TWard]

Also, I suggest you go out and buy a lottery ticket right now. The Dirk is a lottery ticket itself, but can't hurt to go for two in a row!

[jazz1232dc]

I'm saying $20k+ for it. Unreal.

[sammyjankis]

Holy crap man I'm so happy for you. Such an amazing card just sitting in a box makes you wonder what else is out there.

[Soleternity]

Well, that is awesome.

[Jasondr91]

This is what the hobby is all about! What an insane hit. Randy must be proud. And I thought HE was the master of all eBay lots.

Move over Randy, you've been retired....you are the head of Robin Ventura, and lietvalabas is the fist of Nolan Ryan.....

[Ottomatic]

Are you kidding me? WOW. Definitely one of the craziest hobby stories ever. Unreal. Congratulations!

[Cavaliercards]

Congrats that is an amazing story

[eastbayak]

hot damn, congratulations man! :)

[njdunkin1]

Sweet mercy, friend. Every collector's dream to find "a find" such as this--congratulations!

[Rareairx23]

Gad damn i would be free of the little debt that i have, huge congrats to you man this is insane! Extremely envious of you

[JMarchand1981]

Sell it. Take half the money and dump it into Amazon stock. Viola.

[JosieD]

Wow! That's pretty amazing.

[M4YH3M1]

Just AWESOME!

Congratulations!

[CubKings]

Just unreal. That is all.

[smalltown]

I love finds. And that! Wow! That's a find!

[WhacksPacks]

This is unreal. Congrats! This will be a HUGE thread before too long

[ThoseBackPages]

This needs to go to Brent (PWCC) for a proper auction!

[BigZigBoom]

holy schnikes

[SteveO21]

Damn! Can't say anything that hasn't already been said. Truly amazing find.

Also, if that Bibby is available please PM me.

[bes04c9]

The biggest steal in sport cards history. Congrats

[the27guy]

Couldn't be happier for ya dude and glad the grading worked out okay.

:)

[hairyangryfella]

That is insane, unbelievable, ridiculous!

I do, however, have this feeling that you should give the seller something. Yes, he had no idea what he had, but that has enabled you to effectively get a FREE TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. Even if you don't tell him exactly why, or just say there was something in there you really liked, I just feel he should be given something for it. Kind of a karma thing or something.

[domin824]

Incredible find! Congrats!

[ljandkg]

That is an absolute laugher!!!!!
What a story!

[lakesidez]

Please link me to the auction. This deserves its own article on Beckett or something (though I'm sure the seller probably would rather not know).

Lol. That's gotta be what...at least a 10-15k card? I don't even.....

Here is the link to the auction:
shoot sorry for posting the link, I didn't mean any harm

[SPauthentic84]

not a big 90s guy...whats the ball park of this?

[ninjacookies]

^^ Might want to edit that out, I don't think the OP wants that advertising out there right now.

[lakesidez]

[QUOTE=lakesidez;12373683]Here is the link to the auction:
shoot sorry for posting the link, I didn't mean any harm

And wow thats awesome, congrats BIG TIME!!!

[rdleifriaf]

Sweet baby Jebus oh my gawd wowzers holy schnikes omg WOW

[COMCMax]

This is why this hobby is fun. It will do better than this ,but decent comparison. I say 12-14k. Incredible find/story.

1998-99 Flair Showcase Legacy Row 3 Masterpiece Vince Carter RC 1/1 (http://bit.ly/2pxJ2h1)

[bes04c9]

That auction makes it seem like it was just pulled out of one of the 2 boxes. Wow, that is insane.

[thecomebacker]

Wow are you serious?!? Congrats!

[cardsharkk]

Did you ever think could it be the seller accidentally put the card in there? I mean who would sell a $15,000 card for what, $10? Your assuming he missed it but thats truly just a guess. Either way such an amazing card!!

[tclausen]

This is about as unbelievable as finding a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Absolutely crazy!! Congrats!!

[MGoBlue]

Here is the link to the auction:


Not saying you're trying to make trouble. But the first thing I think about with this move is that somebody who's jealous and bored is gonna message the seller and try to stir up some drama. I don't think any good can come out of this being posted. I imagine Nick left it out on purpose as well.

[lietuvalabas]

Did you ever think could it be the seller accidentally put the card in there? I mean who would sell a $15,000 card for what, $10? Your assuming he missed it but thats truly just a guess. Either way such an amazing card!!

he one touched .25 insert cards....if anyone hits that card theres 0 chance he doesnt protect it immediately...no chance it ends back in the box of base. cmon man. like hairy said theres a good chance ill throw him something based on karma, but thats just how it went.

[Wings]

Congratulations!!!!! About as cool as it gets!!!!

Did you ever think could it be the seller accidentally put the card in there? I mean who would sell a $15,000 card for what, $10? Your assuming he missed it but thats truly just a guess. Either way such an amazing card!!

Oh come on man, that's absurd.

[dherm360]

He did pull out and sell cards like the Ruby joe dumars and Kobe molten and Jordans, autographics lot and so on

He just missed it, sellers should know what they are selling--congrats on the find

[bes04c9]

He did pull out and sell cards like the Ruby joe dumars and Kobe molten and Jordans, autographics lot and so on

He just missed it, sellers should know what they are selling--congrats on the find

To open up all that amazing old wax and pull a Dirk 1/1, only not to know about it. :doh::doh::doh::doh:

[Specialkmaster]

That is amazing! Congrats OP

[Specialkmaster]

Sell it. Take half the money and dump it into Amazon stock. Viola.

you mean dump it into cryptocurrency*

[ShtHairMcGee]

This story brought so much joy into my evening. Congratulations on the steal of a lifetime!!!

P.S. After showing this to my wife, you afforded me a little more leeway and less judgement from my wife when i buy random lots hahaha

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[xavieronly1]

This is crazy story! Congrats! Now, you can buy a brand new car with the profit.

[BigZigBoom]

At least he took the PMG Green MJ out of it

[Chain]

I saw the pic before reading the story. While I was reading the beginning of your story, I was definitely thinking 'No way, there must be a plot twist.' But yup you did find a Dirk Rookie Masterpiece in a lot of random cards!

Congratulations on the huge pay off for taking the risk! Even much better than a Vintage '61 turning out to be a Classic '61 (I'm assuming this was what you were hoping. Hehe.)

[minnesotachill]

I remember seeing this auction and I actually asked the guy if the Duncan was a Classic 61.

[Eeisenbraun]

Holy s#@%. You need to send the seller a fruit basket every Christmas.

[duron]

Holy.

$hit.

Just unreal, once in a lifetime find.

Lakesidez, you might wana um, go ahead and remove that link. Guy basically never posts in the hobby section yet had the urge to drop that info here, LOL.

I can see the BO holier than thou crowd messaging him as we speak. Believe me, I feel bad for the seller too, but you know he's going to get some poorly worded messages from board lurkers that don't even have an account, nevermind actual registered users.

[minnesotachill]

Probably not the best idea to even post something like this, even though I can understand the excitement the buyer must be feeling.

For all we know the seller could show up at the buyer's door tomorrow.

[duron]

Probably not the best idea to even post something like this, even though I can understand the excitement the buyer must be feeling.

For all we know the seller could show up at the buyer's door tomorrow.

Yea, I was thinking about this angle as well.

[byronscott4ever]

Great find--great story

[bes04c9]

Probably not the best idea to even post something like this, even though I can understand the excitement the buyer must be feeling.

For all we know the seller could show up at the buyer's door tomorrow.

Non buyers remorse.

JK'ing man, I sort of agree.

[lietuvalabas]

Probably not the best idea to even post something like this, even though I can understand the excitement the buyer must be feeling.

For all we know the seller could show up at the buyer's door tomorrow.

It was a great story, I was happy. Not my intent to gloat or rub anyone's face in anything. In fact it was some moron that posted the auction link he found somewhere. It's not like i stole anything, I've never even been to New York lol. People sell things all the times at goodwill and garage sales that have turned out to be priceless. It happens...and besides the card isn't even kept here.

[duron]

It was a great story, I was happy. Not my intent to gloat or rub anyone's face in anything. In fact it was some moron that posted the auction link he found somewhere. It's not like i stole anything, I've never even been to New York lol. People sell things all the times at goodwill and garage sales that have turned out to be priceless. It happens...and besides the card isn't even kept here.

Do you personally know the guy who linked the auction here?

I just thought it was funny/weird that a guy's like 3rd post in the b-ball hobby section in a year was the exact ebay listing.

[lietuvalabas]

Do you personally know the guy who linked the auction here?

I just thought it was funny/weird that a guy's like 3rd post in the b-ball hobby section in a year was the exact ebay listing.

No I have no idea who he is...

[Hdpooh34]

Awesome story but to be honest, the whole thing feels kinda dirty. You basically made $20,000+ at someone else's expense. He broke open the boxes, he sorted through the cards, he had the pull of a lifetime, and you're gonna reap all the rewards. Yeah he messed up and yeah you took the risk but I dunno man...that other dude has all your personal info and he's probably caught wind by now of how much you made off him...if he's ever hard up for cash, the whole knocking on your door thing is a real possibility.

Might wanna delete this thread just for your own protection.

[lietuvalabas]

Awesome story but to be honest, the whole thing feels kinda dirty. You basically made $20,000+ at someone else's expense. He broke open the boxes, he sorted through the cards, he had the pull of a lifetime, and you're gonna reap all the rewards. Yeah he messed up and yeah you took the risk but I dunno man...that other dude has all your personal info and he's probably caught wind by now of how much you made off him...if he's ever hard up for cash, the whole knocking on your door thing is a real possibility.

Might wanna delete this thread just for your own protection.

Well I'm sure he's already seen it...i mean have you ever seen antiques roadshow? and I'm not worried about protection here...trust me

[lietuvalabas]

I'm just going to leave this at this. The name of the game of cards is buying/selling and risk. We gamble all the time opening, I bought a blind lot of opened wax. Do you buy cards to break even? Heck no...now I mentioned i was expecting it to be junk....say I didn't even bother searching the boxes and hand them off to goodwill or sell them for like $10 at a show. Would I be sad...you bet. Would I go and hunt down the guy I sold them to? Hell no! Do time for a mistake I made by not being as careful as I should? The bleeding hearts in here...my lord!

[TWard]

Awesome story but to be honest, the whole thing feels kinda dirty. You basically made $20,000+ at someone else's expense. He broke open the boxes, he sorted through the cards, he had the pull of a lifetime, and you're gonna reap all the rewards. Yeah he messed up and yeah you took the risk but I dunno man...that other dude has all your personal info and he's probably caught wind by now of how much you made off him...if he's ever hard up for cash, the whole knocking on your door thing is a real possibility.

Might wanna delete this thread just for your own protection.


Maybe dude should've been more careful and paid more attention? To a certain extent, I feel bad for the guy but at the end of the day, he didn't pay close enough attention and screwed up. Crap happens, it's not laba's fault. Dude just screwed up, plain and simple.

[purejd86p]

he one touched .25 insert cards....if anyone hits that card theres 0 chance he doesnt protect it immediately...no chance it ends back in the box of base. cmon man. like hairy said theres a good chance ill throw him something based on karma, but thats just how it went.

I think that would be a pretty cool if you did that. Awesome card!

[GoldenBoy23]

great deal! I would never touch those 90s even with a bin of $25 lol now go get the seller $100 worth of groceries plz

[lietuvalabas]

I think that would be a pretty cool if you did that. Awesome card!

Thanks man! Seriously anyone here that personally knows me knows I'm a decent guy. Competitive to get a deal? Oh you betcha! But ethical and not a monster. I did absolutely nothing unethical here. I can't say it'll be a ton, but I'll reach out to this guy and toss him something once sold. It shouldn't be anyone's business in that regard anyways but honestly if anyone else bought it I doubt they'd offer anything at all.

To All who said nice things (most), they were greatly appreciated.

[Jay9Suited]

Congrats on the amazing find! Sucks you have to defend yourself..

[clipperboy24]

That's an amazing find, congrats it's really easy to overlook some of those parallels I know I hit a one of one in totally certified and almost didn't realize it was the 1/1 because of the coloring. You took a risk buying it and it worked out, good for you.

[lietuvalabas]

Congrats on the amazing find! Sucks you have to defend yourself..

Thank you I completely agree

[ninjacookies]

It's amazing how BO can turn a good luck thread and flip it around on the OP for simply stumbling upon the find of a lifetime.

Such is BO.

[Andy5]

Holy Dirk! Congrats on the amazing find.

[rodmanmartinez]

This is amazing, im really happy for you man. Go get that money!

[gslayton]

Delete the thread! Give the seller some money! Watch out for retribution! The seller might have forgotten it was there! (seriously dumbest thing I've ever read here)

Gtfoh what is wrong with you people.


***congratulations***

Greatest find ever on this board.

[jbarnett83]

Unbelievable pull and huge congrats OP!! Funny thing about this auction is it has been re-listed many times over. I actually came very close to pulling the trigger when it was first listed several months ago but the title and description made it sound as though the seller new what they had and pulled all the hits:doh: Either way I am super happy for you and such a cool story

[rodmanmartinez]

Awesome story but to be honest, the whole thing feels kinda dirty. You basically made $20,000+ at someone else's expense. He broke open the boxes, he sorted through the cards, he had the pull of a lifetime, and you're gonna reap all the rewards. Yeah he messed up and yeah you took the risk but I dunno man...that other dude has all your personal info and he's probably caught wind by now of how much you made off him...if he's ever hard up for cash, the whole knocking on your door thing is a real possibility.

Might wanna delete this thread just for your own protection.

Dude wth? Why do you have to rain on his parade? He has no reason to feel bad about this.

knock on his door if he needs cash? Man your imagination astonishes me.

[Stat Monsters]

I kinda "get" what other naysayers of the post are saying

Not so much as bragging or gloating, but truth be told, there's far too many facts and information to the story that need not been disclosed.

The poster maybe could have or should have still wrote the beautifully described story but sans the nitty gritty.

The posters are right in that I always tell people who post on social media, before posting ask yourself "what do I have to gain VS what do I have to lose?" in what you announce to the public.

I get it that maybe the poster wanted to bring light to the possession to test the waters for valuation or offers, but simply having a brief story and the photo of the card would have been good enough.

I don't think what he did was wrong nor he owes the seller a single thank you nor added compensation, but in the same breath should have maybe not posted so much info that the seller never knew about this so won't be kicking themselves in regret for years on end either.

[oldschooled]

Can you check if the J-Will RC is 1/1 also.

[pennywise]

Congratulations! I just love stories like this. Incredible find OP. HUGE card.

[hairyangryfella]

Delete the thread! Give the seller some money! Watch out for retribution! The seller might have forgotten it was there! (seriously dumbest thing I've ever read here)

Gtfoh what is wrong with you people.


***congratulations***

Greatest find ever on this board.

Why be so rude? If I got a free few thousand because someone didn't know what they were doing, I would give them something just because I'm that kind of person. He in no means needs to do anything like that, but I gave the suggestion. And you're calling me dumb because of that?
Sorry that I'm so dumb that I'm a nice person... :rolleyes:

[Jpayne7787]

I once had a pretty large collection from the 90s I've had since a little kid, throughout moving several times during my school days somewhere in between my mom threw away everything thinking it was junk. I am fairly confident I've seen some cards that said xx/50 or whatever it was numbered to and not knowing what exactly it meant as a young kid lol. Only cards I cared remotely for were Olajuwon,Rockets,MJ and a few other top notch stars and everything else I threw in a box and never looked back.

Sometimes I wonder how many monsters were in those boxes that was thrown away before I realized they are limited and rare parallels and worth much more than any of my Olajuwon cards that I had. My heart aches sometimes.

This story made my heart feel a little better however, great find and I'd imagine anyone's that's got any criticism about this would gladly trade places with you right now, or would react the same way if they came across a similar pot of gold.

Thanks for giving a degenrate gambler like me another way to waste my money on (gambling on lots) Shame on you OP haha

[TheRoundMound]

Congrats on that awesome find.
This is the best thing about buying larger lots, you never know what to expect. In 99,9% you may be disappointed but in 0,1% you hit a Masterpiece :)!

[The Admiral]

WOW! That is all...

[boosta]

Boom! Congrats mate!

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[AlabamaSlamma]

Hot damn.

[Nefugee]

awesome!

i have a Spree and paid MP money for it, but the feeling of owning one is just awesome.. i cannot imagine what you felt once finding that gem...

hobby stories like this is what its all about..

[minnesotachill]

People who are saying the Dirk is worth 10-20k are going a little overboard.


Realistically, it's worth around $5000-8000.

[iplumb1963]

awesome story and awesome find..congrats..everyone knew it was a matter of time before the White Knights came in and started screaming.......

[Beavers98]

Great Find!! Congrats on the Dirk!!

I wouldn't feel bad at all, you bought and paid for a "lot" that anybody else could have bought. You took the risk and it paid off... People post garage sale, flea market, old shop, etc, etc finds/ "steals". Sure throw the guy a bone if ya want, but some trying to make you feel bad/guilty,..come on... Again, congrats on the great find and make sure to update on how much it goes for...

[MGoBlue]

People who are saying the Dirk is worth 10-20k are going a little overboard.


Realistically, it's worth around $5000-8000.

I just don't see how this card is anything under 10k. I mean the Vince Row 3 went for 6. And despite them all being Masterpieces, the Rows do matter to collectors, so Row 2 will be significantly more valuable than Row 3. And this isn't '98. Dirk is far and beyond Vince. Plus a huge international star. I just don't see how this card could ever fetch a penny less than 10k. And I wouldn't be surprised if a bid war ensued and it reached 15k+.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

[phdbeckett]

I just don't see how this card is anything under 10k. I mean the Vince Row 3 went for 6. And despite them all being Masterpieces, the Rows do matter to collectors, so Row 2 will be significantly more valuable than Row 3. And this isn't '98. Dirk is far and beyond Vince. Plus a huge international star. I just don't see how this card could ever fetch a penny less than 10k. And I wouldn't be surprised if a bid war ensued and it reached 15k+.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

And OP I have made many nice buys in the past and hope to keep doing so. Nothing you did is in any way wrong and that's the key point here. Congratulations on the Dirk, and yes it is easy 12k+ card. Outside of German collectors that pay ridiculous money even for Dennis Schroeder, there is little doubt this is not one (row 1,2, and 3 are included as this ranking )of the top 10 of All 1990s pieces.

[minnesotachill]

throw that baby up for auction with no reserve. dying to see how much it would go for.

[kukocitb]

Amazing story and amazing find! so when you say you have TONS of 90s how much are we talking? LOL!

[grindnation]

Amazing find! Some Salty BO members


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[bigcwd2000]

Unbelievable. One of the most amazing finds ever. Congrats.

[patientgambler]

This story is nothing short of nauseating from the sellers perspective and I feel really bad for the guy, but this was a smart and calculated buy. Who doesn't sometimes see auction lots and hope that the seller doesn't realize what he has? There's nothing wrong with that, it's just kind of fun and games. It's only the amount this particular find is worth that has people questioning the OP's character. As bad as this was for the seller, it's the opposite for the buyer, so it's perfectly fine to feel happy for him. Congrats, OP!

[the34truth]

I just don't see how this card is anything under 10k. I mean the Vince Row 3 went for 6. And despite them all being Masterpieces, the Rows do matter to collectors, so Row 2 will be significantly more valuable than Row 3. And this isn't '98. Dirk is far and beyond Vince. Plus a huge international star. I just don't see how this card could ever fetch a penny less than 10k. And I wouldn't be surprised if a bid war ensued and it reached 15k+.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Incredible find. People tend to fire at each other when big money is involved, happens everywhere in a market economy, and that's all good.

Well, as much as I respect you and your collection Matt, I don't get why this is a 10k minimum or whatever card. I also don't understand why people are claiming this card worth 10-20k. Would you personally buy it for 8k or 16k? I mean if you think that's the market price you can make a quick 2-4k profit. I always see posts like oh there is a huge card on ebay natturner will buy it for 10million coming out of nowhere.
:doh:

The Vince Carter row2 and row3 have been listed on ebay since 2010 or even earlier when I first saw it, for 2500, or lower. Then 90s inserts market exploded, exquisite exploded, everything exploded, now carolinablue wants 6k plus for them. If you looked at the completed listings, second best offer was 1k. Someone bite the bullet and paid 6k, a Webber 99-00 masterpiece went for 3k, but does that make the Dirk automatically a 10-20k card? Maybe. But fact was that Dirk row1, the best of all three rows, was listed 10k bin after his championship and final MVP, and there wasn't a buyer at that price. Dirk inscribed logoman auto 1/1 only went for 15k. 90s 1/1 doesn't seems outsell 1/1 modern memorabilia auto these days.

[Deadshot]

The fact that it's a rookie should factor into that price as well.

Awesome story OP. I enjoyed reading all of the details as well. You don't owe the seller anything and you certainly shouldn't have to defend yourself. Enjoy the money - you deserve it!

[vto47]

True Hollywood story by Charlie Murphy! :) My favorite story from Nick yet!

[TheTimeIsNow]

What a find man! Congrats!!!

[TheAnswer03]

That is one heck of a find and story .

[DajuanWagner]

Congratulations Nick. Couldn't happen to a nicer dude in the hobby. Karma finally landed on you (although, TBH, Karma lands on you a lot). Looking forward to hanging out with you at National next month.

[minnesotachill]

1/1s are a very strange market.

I've sold a decent number of 90's 1/1s over the years and I'm always amazed by how little interest there is in comparison to the classic inserts like PMGs, Credentials..


I had a Shaq PMG Red and a 98 flair masterpiece listed around the same time. I had at least 5 people asking me about the Shaq within an hour and I believe I ended up selling it the same day as well.

The Shaq Flair MP took almost a month to get rid of.

Same for a couple of Marcus Camby cards. Sold his PMG Green almost instantly for my asking price of $2500. I had his Ultra Masterpiece available too and ended up taking seemingly forever to sell that one at around 1/3rd of the price of the PMG


Right now the Dirks with the biggest markets seem to be Gem Graded Chrome Refractors and Logomen Autos(more are sure to come in Flawless & Immaculate)

The MP is an insanely tough card but with a very limited market. My guess is just a small handful of people even serious enough to make a legit offer on it.

[eastbayak]

1/1s are a very strange market.

I've sold a decent number of 90's 1/1s over the years and I'm always amazed by how little interest there is in comparison to the classic inserts like PMGs, Credentials..


I had a Shaq PMG Red and a 98 flair masterpiece listed around the same time. I had at least 5 people asking me about the Shaq within an hour and I believe I ended up selling it the same day as well.

The Shaq Flair MP took almost a month to get rid of.

Same for a couple of Marcus Camby cards. Sold his PMG Green almost instantly for my asking price of $2500. I had his Ultra Masterpiece available too and ended up taking seemingly forever to sell that one at around 1/3rd of the price of the PMG


Right now the Dirks with the biggest markets seem to be Gem Graded Chrome Refractors and Logomen Autos(more are sure to come in Flawless & Immaculate)

The MP is an insanely tough card but with a very limited market. My guess is just a small handful of people even serious enough to make a legit offer on it.

That's the beauty of 1/1s, all you need is one serious buyer.

High BIN with BO. I'd set at $29,999 or $34,999 and let the offers roll in.

[DajuanWagner]

This is what the hobby is all about! What an insane hit. Randy must be proud. And I thought HE was the master of all eBay lots.

Move over Randy, you've been retired....you are the head of Robin Ventura, and lietvalabas is the fist of Nolan Ryan.....



I am no longer the King. I have passed the torch to my young jedi, Nick.


Nick enjoy the moment because those are the moments we all live for, and right now, we are all living them through you.........

[Idol]

Its not a $15k-$20k card but I hope the OP gets that for it. All you need is that one person who "NEEDS" it.

All the people who think it's worth $15k-$20k should drop $10k-$12K instantly on this card without blinking an eye.

Talk is cheap is all I'm going to say. OP best of luck to you with this card.

[hairyharold]

lol dude sold jackets for more than that lot. congrats killer steal! IMO the best DIRK RC to have. Absolutely love that design.

[answer3]

1/1s are a very strange market.

I've sold a decent number of 90's 1/1s over the years and I'm always amazed by how little interest there is in comparison to the classic inserts like PMGs, Credentials..


I had a Shaq PMG Red and a 98 flair masterpiece listed around the same time. I had at least 5 people asking me about the Shaq within an hour and I believe I ended up selling it the same day as well.

The Shaq Flair MP took almost a month to get rid of.

Same for a couple of Marcus Camby cards. Sold his PMG Green almost instantly for my asking price of $2500. I had his Ultra Masterpiece available too and ended up taking seemingly forever to sell that one at around 1/3rd of the price of the PMG


Right now the Dirks with the biggest markets seem to be Gem Graded Chrome Refractors and Logomen Autos(more are sure to come in Flawless & Immaculate)

The MP is an insanely tough card but with a very limited market. My guess is just a small handful of people even serious enough to make a legit offer on it.

Couldn't agree more. Honestly I don't see this mp worth more than the first ever dirk logo au with inscriptions at today's market, maybe not even close. Plus the dirk logo au did relisted, so who knows the real ending price.

[the27guy]

Its not a $15k-$20k card but I hope the OP gets that for it. All you need is that one person who "NEEDS" it.

All the people who think it's worth $15k-$20k should drop $10k-$12K instantly on this card without blinking an eye.

Talk is cheap is all I'm going to say. OP best of luck to you with this card.

OP, this guy would know. You know that I agree. I hope you get $15-20k for it, but I would guess that it's probably $6500-$10k. In any case, best of luck!!

[lietuvalabas]

OP, this guy would know. You know that I agree. I hope you get $15-20k for it, but I would guess that it's probably $6500-$10k. In any case, best of luck!!

Well in all fairness and no disrespect to him because I like high asking prices on bin/bo but high asking prices appear to be his thing as well...

[hairyharold]

at what...a $100 investment? might as well hold onto that thing for top dollar

Well in all fairness and no disrespect to him because I like high asking prices on bin/bo but high asking prices appear to be his thing as well...

[the27guy]

Well in all fairness and no disrespect to him because I like high asking prices on bin/bo but high asking prices appear to be his thing as well...

Can't disagree with you there. :) But he undoubtedly knows his stuff.

If I had it, I would BIN OBO for $20k-$25k. Lol. I'd guess Idol is probably in the same boat.

Then I would wait for a reputable and high offer.

If it didn't come in a month or so, I'd send it to PWCC since they sell overseas.

[lietuvalabas]

Can't disagree with you there. :) But he undoubtedly knows his stuff.

If I had it, I would BIN OBO for $20k-$25k. Lol. I'd guess Idol is probably in the same boat.

Then I would wait for a reputable and high offer.

If it didn't come in a month or so, I'd send it to PWCC since they sell overseas.

Yeah after hearing that dudes paypal nightmare on here I want it in cash from a buyer or a check cut from pwcc

[hoopstaj]

so no one bought it originally, if you don't buy it maybe no one else does and he throws those cards away and that Dirk is gone forever? It's good to know that card is in a collector's hands instead of piled up with base cards

[the27guy]

Yeah after hearing that dudes paypal nightmare on here I want it in cash from a buyer or a check cut from pwcc

I just can't understate the value of being paid in cash by a consigner.... I couldn't agree with you more. They get a ton of hate on here... I don't know how to fix the shilling issues, but I know this... I sell almost everything via consignment these days, and I truly enjoy not dealing with the hassles that use to plague me. The high end market is a little different. You can usually get comfortable with high end buyers, but just avoiding all the other drama is really really nice.

[Idol]

Well in all fairness and no disrespect to him because I like high asking prices on bin/bo but high asking prices appear to be his thing as well...

Best of luck :)!

[Dielon]

I'm not sure how this is possible. Why did the auction link disappear?

[MGoBlue]

Incredible find. People tend to fire at each other when big money is involved, happens everywhere in a market economy, and that's all good.

Well, as much as I respect you and your collection Matt, I don't get why this is a 10k minimum or whatever card. I also don't understand why people are claiming this card worth 10-20k. Would you personally buy it for 8k or 16k? I mean if you think that's the market price you can make a quick 2-4k profit. I always see posts like oh there is a huge card on ebay natturner will buy it for 10million coming out of nowhere.
:doh:

The Vince Carter row2 and row3 have been listed on ebay since 2010 or even earlier when I first saw it, for 2500, or lower. Then 90s inserts market exploded, exquisite exploded, everything exploded, now carolinablue wants 6k plus for them. If you looked at the completed listings, second best offer was 1k. Someone bite the bullet and paid 6k, a Webber 99-00 masterpiece went for 3k, but does that make the Dirk automatically a 10-20k card? Maybe. But fact was that Dirk row1, the best of all three rows, was listed 10k bin after his championship and final MVP, and there wasn't a buyer at that price. Dirk inscribed logoman auto 1/1 only went for 15k. 90s 1/1 doesn't seems outsell 1/1 modern memorabilia auto these days.



First, thanks for the kind words! I'm certainly no expert, nor is my opinion anything more than just that. I'll attempt to clarify my thinking.

But I might as well list my biases and short-sightedness right off the bat:

*I really only know the Webber market and don't follow any other card prices except for some 90s stuff.

*I'm a 90s homer who has a huge distaste for Panini and modern cards, sans a few exceptions.

*I know Nick and think he is a genuinely great human being, and I want to see this work out for him in the best way possible.


All that aside, you're correct in saying people tend to fire at each other when big money is involved. I've seen some of the most epic and petty arguments take place on this site over cards. It's just mind boggling to me how upset and personal people take this stuff. And I never get involved. The only reason I'm chiming in on this one is because of the biases listed above.

There always seems to be a few different crowds on threads like these:

*The Jealous types that are bitter they never have stuff like this happen to them. They tend to just attack the morality of the whole situation and try to make the OP feel like a scumbag for being lucky. They also are the ones that try to beat down the card like it's a common.

*The potential buyers who attack the value of the card publicly because they are secretly very interested and are already sending PMs to the OP trying to use every possible angle to rationalize a lesser price.

*The guys who don't care at all but just love the story and want to follow along and see how it plays out.

*The friends of the OP who sometimes push the agenda too far the other direction and hype things up to irrational levels.

*The trouble makers. The forum misanthropes. The usual suspects who bicker on every thread for the sheer joy of trolling and causing discord.



As for my personal thoughts on this card/situation, let me explain my reasoning. First I think about 90s cards and the craze that started back in late 2010 and early 2011. Almost overnight, cards that were previously $40 were selling for $400 or lots more by 2014. They plateaued a bit for a while, but they seem to still be steadily climbing.

To your point about the Dirk Row 1 being listed for 10k after the championship in 2011...perhaps it didn't sell because that was just the start of the 90s craze??? People had not yet endured much Panini at that point and still weren't willing to drop 5 figures on guys not named Jordan or Kobe. That's changed a lot now. Collectors like myself have pretty much sworn off Panini sans a few releases and have focused exclusively on 90s stuff. I'll be doing a mail day post late this month or early July showcasing my purchases just this year......4+ 90s Masterpieces. Three of which I put off buying until this year because I was finally done with Panini. And luckily the original owner had been holding them for me for many years. But that's besides the point. My point is that as a 90s player collector, I coveted those cards and have dropped a stupid amount of money on my player. And there is no way I'm the only player collector willing to drop insane (to bystanders anyway) money to get these cards.

Another point I want to bring up is regarding the true scarcity of 90s Masterpieces. Yes they're 1/1s just the same as any 1/1 Panini produces, but they're finished. There are no more and there will be no more. Each player in the 97-98 and 98-99 Flair sets has exactly 7 Masterpieces to chase. On the other hand, as Panini has proven time and time again with their products, they will whore out the fresh new signers until their cards have lost all their allure and value. Well, maybe not all their value, but greatly diminished. Webber was another great example of this. Try buying a 90s Webber auto for under $200....maybe a a couple of the Ultra ones can be had for $150 now. But the Autographics continue to climb. I bought my first one in 2011 for $290, and now you can't touch them for under $400. Panini has actually caused the rise of 90s cards value, and they continue to do so.

Panini pumped and whored out his autos in 13-14 Flawless. It was all so exciting. People were losing their minds, paying a minimum $300 for any card. And Panini kept them coming. And then the stickers came. And now you can buy Webber NT autos for $40 all day. Even many Flawless autos barely clear $100.

My point is that yes the Dirk 1/1, auto and inscribed, Logoman only went for 15k. But in 5 years, they're might be 20 more across all the products that look just like it. Maybe more. And then it'll be a $1500 card. Speculation, yes. But panini has a proven track record of doing this.

Also, there are so many mid-30s guys who probably coveted these 90s Masterpieces since they were 14 when the product came out. Many of them have the money now. 10k+ money? Maybe not many, but more than you think.

And never underestimate the value of a foreign player. We take our athletes for granted in the states. We've got so many amazing athletes that get so much praise and recognition. Oftentimes we're sick of seeing and hearing about them. Heck, we'll "turn" on our athletes at the drop of a hat because we've got a younger, better version just waiting to take his place.

Foreign stars that make it big in the US are national heroes! These guys are more highly regarded back home than perhaps anyone in their country. Look at the Yao phenomenon in China. Heck, look at even Starbury over there as a foreigner. And Dirk might be the best foreign NBA'er of all time. One of the best players period, regardless of nationality.

I can only imagine how many Germans, and/or Europeans in general who would go for a card like this at all costs.

As for the Carter comparisons, I cannot speak to them in great detail. I've only been back in the hobby since 2010, but I'm well aware of the stories about carolinablue and what a shady character he is. In fact, I'm positive the OP himself had a card stolen from him by none other than carolinablue. My point is that a lot of people also know about this guy and wouldn't buy a $40 card from him, let alone a 4-5 figure card. But someone did apparently buy one for 6k.

It's tough to play the "who's the better player" argument to establish value for these cards. It really doesn't matter. It's the fan base and collectors that matter. Again, look at the recent CWebb auctions. If I came on this board prior to those cards being listed and said that random Hoops 1/1s and Reflections 1/1s from the mid 2000's would sell for 1k, I'd have been laughed off the board and told I was crazy. If I had said Masterpieces would sell for 3k and that the Exquisite would sell for 6k, no one would have believed me either. It's Chris Webber.....possibly never even gonna get in the HOF. Just a really good PF from the 90s. But guess what, his die hard fans REALLY care and continue to show it with their wallets.

I'm sure we can go back and forth, point and counterpoint, for days on end about the perceived value of this card. I can honestly see both sides of the argument. I've been surprised how low and how high cards have sold in the past. But all that is just a bunch of rhetoric. I'm simply trying to explain why I feel the way I do about the potential value. It's just one guys opinion, and biased at that.

I'm just really excited for Nick and can't wait to see how this plays out. I'm not heartless either. It does suck for the seller. I get that. And if I was that guy, I'd rather never know what I'd done (though some of the guys from the "troublemaker" category above have probably already messaged the poor guy just to be jerks). But Nick doesn't owe him anything. If he chooses to send him some money in the end, well, that's just a great human being thing to do. But he should feel absolutely no shame for "winning the lottery." None. Zero.

[BigZigBoom]

I see we have a few communists on this thread. Probably Durant fans.

[TWard]

I'm just really excited for Nick and can't wait to see how this plays out. I'm not heartless either. It does suck for the seller. I get that. And if I was that guy, I'd rather never know what I'd done (though some of the guys from the "troublemaker" category above have probably already messaged the poor guy just to be jerks). But Nick doesn't owe him anything. If he chooses to send him some money in the end, well, that's just a great human being thing to do. But he should feel absolutely no shame for "winning the lottery." None. Zero.


Agreed, 100%. He took advantage of the seller's mistake, not laba's fault whatsoever. There's not one single person on this board, in this scenario, that would return the card to the seller or give the seller half of what they make via auction. The seller should've been more careful and paid more attention to what he had. Lesson learned, albeit an expensive one.

With that said, I wish it happened to me. [emoji17][emoji17][emoji17]

[BigZigBoom]

First, thanks for the kind words! I'm certainly no expert, nor is my opinion anything more than just that. I'll attempt to clarify my thinking.

But I might as well list my biases and short-sightedness right off the bat:

*I really only know the Webber market and don't follow any other card prices except for some 90s stuff.

*I'm a 90s homer who has a huge distaste for Panini and modern cards, sans a few exceptions.

*I know Nick and think he is a genuinely great human being, and I want to see this work out for him in the best way possible.


All that aside, you're correct in saying people tend to fire at each other when big money is involved. I've seen some of the most epic and petty arguments take place on this site over cards. It's just mind boggling to me how upset and personal people take this stuff. And I never get involved. The only reason I'm chiming in on this one is because of the biases listed above.

There always seems to be a few different crowds on threads like these:

*The Jealous types that are bitter they never have stuff like this happen to them. They tend to just attack the morality of the whole situation and try to make the OP feel like a scumbag for being lucky. They also are the ones that try to beat down the card like it's a common.

*The potential buyers who attack the value of the card publicly because they are secretly very interested and are already sending PMs to the OP trying to use every possible angle to rationalize a lesser price.

*The guys who don't care at all but just love the story and want to follow along and see how it plays out.

*The friends of the OP who sometimes push the agenda too far the other direction and hype things up to irrational levels.

*The trouble makers. The forum misanthropes. The usual suspects who bicker on every thread for the sheer joy of trolling and causing discord.



As for my personal thoughts on this card/situation, let me explain my reasoning. First I think about 90s cards and the craze that started back in late 2010 and early 2011. Almost overnight, cards that were previously $40 were selling for $400 or lots more by 2014. They plateaued a bit for a while, but they seem to still be steadily climbing.

To your point about the Dirk Row 1 being listed for 10k after the championship in 2011...perhaps it didn't sell because that was just the start of the 90s craze??? People had not yet endured much Panini at that point and still weren't willing to drop 5 figures on guys not named Jordan or Kobe. That's changed a lot now. Collectors like myself have pretty much sworn off Panini sans a few releases and have focused exclusively on 90s stuff. I'll be doing a mail day post late this month or early July showcasing my purchases just this year......4+ 90s Masterpieces. Three of which I put off buying until this year because I was finally done with Panini. And luckily the original owner had been holding them for me for many years. But that's besides the point. My point is that as a 90s player collector, I coveted those cards and have dropped a stupid amount of money on my player. And there is no way I'm the only player collector willing to drop insane (to bystanders anyway) money to get these cards.

Another point I want to bring up is regarding the true scarcity of 90s Masterpieces. Yes they're 1/1s just the same as any 1/1 Panini produces, but they're finished. There are no more and there will be no more. Each player in the 97-98 and 98-99 Flair sets has exactly 7 Masterpieces to chase. On the other hand, as Panini has proven time and time again with their products, they will whore out the fresh new signers until their cards have lost all their allure and value. Well, maybe not all their value, but greatly diminished. Webber was another great example of this. Try buying a 90s Webber auto for under $200....maybe a a couple of the Ultra ones can be had for $150 now. But the Autographics continue to climb. I bought my first one in 2011 for $290, and now you can't touch them for under $400. Panini has actually caused the rise of 90s cards value, and they continue to do so.

Panini pumped and whored out his autos in 13-14 Flawless. It was all so exciting. People were losing their minds, paying a minimum $300 for any card. And Panini kept them coming. And then the stickers came. And now you can buy Webber NT autos for $40 all day. Even many Flawless autos barely clear $100.

My point is that yes the Dirk 1/1, auto and inscribed, Logoman only went for 15k. But in 5 years, they're might be 20 more across all the products that look just like it. Maybe more. And then it'll be a $1500 card. Speculation, yes. But panini has a proven track record of doing this.

Also, there are so many mid-30s guys who probably coveted these 90s Masterpieces since they were 14 when the product came out. Many of them have the money now. 10k+ money? Maybe not many, but more than you think.

And never underestimate the value of a foreign player. We take our athletes for granted in the states. We've got so many amazing athletes that get so much praise and recognition. Oftentimes we're sick of seeing and hearing about them. Heck, we'll "turn" on our athletes at the drop of a hat because we've got a younger, better version just waiting to take his place.

Foreign stars that make it big in the US are national heroes! These guys are more highly regarded back home than perhaps anyone in their country. Look at the Yao phenomenon in China. Heck, look at even Starbury over there as a foreigner. And Dirk might be the best foreign NBA'er of all time. One of the best players period, regardless of nationality.

I can only imagine how many Germans, and/or Europeans in general who would go for a card like this at all costs.

As for the Carter comparisons, I cannot speak to them in great detail. I've only been back in the hobby since 2010, but I'm well aware of the stories about carolinablue and what a shady character he is. In fact, I'm positive the OP himself had a card stolen from him by none other than carolinablue. My point is that a lot of people also know about this guy and wouldn't buy a $40 card from him, let alone a 4-5 figure card. But someone did apparently buy one for 6k.

It's tough to play the "who's the better player" argument to establish value for these cards. It really doesn't matter. It's the fan base and collectors that matter. Again, look at the recent CWebb auctions. If I came on this board prior to those cards being listed and said that random Hoops 1/1s and Reflections 1/1s from the mid 2000's would sell for 1k, I'd have been laughed off the board and told I was crazy. If I had said Masterpieces would sell for 3k and that the Exquisite would sell for 6k, no one would have believed me either. It's Chris Webber.....possibly never even gonna get in the HOF. Just a really good PF from the 90s. But guess what, his die hard fans REALLY care and continue to show it with their wallets.

I'm sure we can go back and forth, point and counterpoint, for days on end about the perceived value of this card. I can honestly see both sides of the argument. I've been surprised how low and how high cards have sold in the past. But all that is just a bunch of rhetoric. I'm simply trying to explain why I feel the way I do about the potential value. It's just one guys opinion, and biased at that.

I'm just really excited for Nick and can't wait to see how this plays out. I'm not heartless either. It does suck for the seller. I get that. And if I was that guy, I'd rather never know what I'd done (though some of the guys from the "troublemaker" category above have probably already messaged the poor guy just to be jerks). But Nick doesn't owe him anything. If he chooses to send him some money in the end, well, that's just a great human being thing to do. But he should feel absolutely no shame for "winning the lottery." None. Zero.


How dare you come on here and make sense, MGOBOOOOOOOOM.

[lakesidez]

I'm not sure how this is possible. Why did the auction link disappear?

I decided to remove it, in consideration of the seller and buyer.

[beauchampson]

Duuuuuude.. insane find!
You don't owe the seller or anyone anything other than what you paid for the auction btw. Don't let these haters on here have any influence on you Nick.

[oshmeehan]

This story is something that would have happened to the former blowout legend known as Paul

[RandysHobby]

Congratulations! This is quite the story! Very happy for you!

I can't believe people are here saying you owe the seller something. The seller doesn't deserve anything. If anything, he deserves a smack for being stupid.

[CastleBeachCards]

I looked at the auction, and the wording was phrased in a way where the seller knew about 90's cards.........and hyped up the lot in the auction.

I'm actually very surprised this was in there............

This is undoubtedly one of the best stories I've heard on Blowout.
Congrats!

[hairyangryfella]

Sad to see how many of you embody the current mentality of the hobby where 'it's all about me'.

I'm happy for the OP. He took a risk and overpaid for a lot, which contained an insane card. That's incredible and amazing.

Again, I haven't said he has to give the seller anything (somebody even said half??), just that I would, because it's a nice thing to do. His ignorance/stupidity has won OP the lottery. If I was in that position I would give something back, even if anonymously. Wouldn't have to be big, just something.

If anybody has a problem with that, you either don't believe in karma or are just an ______.

[picojim]

wonder why the seller changed his ebay ID yesterday

[jbarnett83]

I looked at the auction, and the wording was phrased in a way where the seller knew about 90's cards.........and hyped up the lot in the auction.

I'm actually very surprised this was in there............

This is undoubtedly one of the best stories I've heard on Blowout.
Congrats!

Yep, pretty sure this was why it was relisted several times over and passed by people like myself. I even remember zooming in on the cards shown in the auction pic but definitely didn't have the eye of the OP. This is the best bargain find I've seen here on BO and maybe will ever see

[Doublexthebeast]

First off, great find and huge card.......OBVIOUSLY.

Second off, you bought some cards and it was in there. You didn't do anything wrong. Would the seller have gave you back money if you sold the cards and lost money? Of course not.

I would definitely send the seller a little something for it. He provided a great deal to you and nothing wrong with showing some appreciation. Are you obligated to do that? Not at all but definitely nothing wrong if you do or don't.

No matter what, it is a legendary find with a floor of $5k in my opinion and would not be surprised to see it bring $10-12k. Awesome!!!!

[DajuanWagner]

Sad to see how many of you embody the current mentality of the hobby where 'it's all about me'.

I'm happy for the OP. He took a risk and overpaid for a lot, which contained an insane card. That's incredible and amazing.

Again, I haven't said he has to give the seller anything (somebody even said half??), just that I would, because it's a nice thing to do. His ignorance/stupidity has won OP the lottery. If I was in that position I would give something back, even if anonymously. Wouldn't have to be big, just something.

If anybody has a problem with that, you either don't believe in karma or are just an ______.




Crap, that sucks because I am an _____. If the OP gave anything to the seller, no matter how small, then obviously the seller would know who it came from and he probably knows by now why. The seller clearly cherry picked the lot, other members saw the same lot and passed (imagine how they are feeling today), so it was the seller who loaded the box to ship. No one else. This is what we all dream about and it is nice that someone we all know and like hit it. I would send the seller positive feedback. That is really all he deserves, right???

[NeilCO]

Holy crap. What a story. Thanks for sharing, OP, and congrats!


Sad to see how many of you embody the current mentality of the hobby where 'it's all about me'.

I'm happy for the OP. He took a risk and overpaid for a lot, which contained an insane card. That's incredible and amazing.

Again, I haven't said he has to give the seller anything (somebody even said half??), just that I would, because it's a nice thing to do. His ignorance/stupidity has won OP the lottery. If I was in that position I would give something back, even if anonymously. Wouldn't have to be big, just something.

If anybody has a problem with that, you either don't believe in karma or are just an ______.

I'm with you. I'm happy for the OP, and definitely don't think he did anything wrong. He doesn't OWE the seller anything, it would just be a nice gesture to send a small token. I would hesitate only because, if the seller doesn't already know about this, it might tip him off. And the seller is probably better off not knowing what he gave up. Chances are, though, that somebody has already contacted him, unfortunately.

[RYBOWSKI97]

congrats op....i am very happy for you. we all put so much time and money into the hobby and its nice to see it giving back! i hope you make a ton of money, and i wold quit listening to the numbers people are putting on this card. there is no real way to even speculate on a price. maybe u can trade it to the guy trying to unload his "daughters" high end jordan collection :)

[NeilCO]

I changed my mind: I choose to believe that the seller knew what was in the box, and is just extremely benevolent. Wouldn't that be something?

[DajuanWagner]

I changed my mind: I choose to believe that the seller knew what was in the box, and is just extremely benevolent. Wouldn't that be something?



^^^^This............

[NeonStatus]

This would definitely make for a great story for the hobby. Think about all of the stashed away or quickly over looked cards that are still missing from the hobby. After reading a story like this, it makes you want to go back and look through stacks of cards that you have not touched in years, just to see what you have and if something was overlooked. There are many collectors still wondering where certain cards are and if this story brings even a single card out of a misplaced or overlooked box break, then it’s a success. The seller could have very well just threw the cards away, thinking that the “best/valuable” cards were cherry picked. This makes you think about how many cards are lost to moves, storm damage, forgotten storage lockers, etc. How many people were searching for this card and can now have the opportunity to purchase it. I am glad that Matt shared his story and didn’t simply keep the story to himself. It’s a great find and this card is going to make someone very happy to own. A story in the Beckett could revive interest in the hobby and have people cracking open their old boxes of long forgotten cards.

[jjohnson814]

Thanks for sharing. What an amazing story! That's what makes this hobby so great.

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[duron]

1/1s are a very strange market.

I've sold a decent number of 90's 1/1s over the years and I'm always amazed by how little interest there is in comparison to the classic inserts like PMGs, Credentials..


I had a Shaq PMG Red and a 98 flair masterpiece listed around the same time. I had at least 5 people asking me about the Shaq within an hour and I believe I ended up selling it the same day as well.

The Shaq Flair MP took almost a month to get rid of.

Same for a couple of Marcus Camby cards. Sold his PMG Green almost instantly for my asking price of $2500. I had his Ultra Masterpiece available too and ended up taking seemingly forever to sell that one at around 1/3rd of the price of the PMG


Right now the Dirks with the biggest markets seem to be Gem Graded Chrome Refractors and Logomen Autos(more are sure to come in Flawless & Immaculate)

The MP is an insanely tough card but with a very limited market. My guess is just a small handful of people even serious enough to make a legit offer on it.

In a way I'm not really surprised when we are talking about masterpieces that aesthetically aren't too different from their /100 or similarly numbered parallel, or even their base card counterpart. The former would apply for stuff like your Camby Ultra example, and the former and latter apply to your Shaq Showcase example.

I'd hazard a guess that something like the 98-99 Metal masterpieces, where there is a marked difference (basically turns a 'standard refractor' into a 'Star Rubies'), wouldn't suffer from what you're describing.

All that being said, the fact it's Dirk aka insta-global demand and essentially an RC could very possibly negate the MP sales trends you already detailed.

[duron]

Don't let these haters on here have any influence

I mean, to be fair, it was literally one dude. Lol.

[lietuvalabas]

I mean, to be fair, it was literally one dude. Lol.

i actually dont even remember who hated? haha

the support from here has been overwhelming, again thanks everyone, i really do appreciate the kind words and everything. any posts that can even be construed as negative were just piled on with compliments. i like when there is a thread where there isnt constant bickering. I hope to meet many of you in chicago next month!

[CubKings]

Over/ under 500 posts for this thread?

[KSterner]

and people say repack products are garbage :)

Nice find OP!

[Archangel1775]

Time to post large lots of 90's cards on eBay..... nice and amazing find!

[YouFold2Me]

I remember the row 3 version of 98-99 showcase 1 of 1 i had of dirk. I found it in a .25c box at a local shop This was back in 99 or 2000. Promptly put it on ebay and was ecstatic to get $400 for it then. Cant imagine what its worth now. Incredible find OP. So awesome.

[the34truth]

First, thanks for the kind words! I'm certainly no expert, nor is my opinion anything more than just that. I'll attempt to clarify my thinking.

But I might as well list my biases and short-sightedness right off the bat:

*I really only know the Webber market and don't follow any other card prices except for some 90s stuff.

*I'm a 90s homer who has a huge distaste for Panini and modern cards, sans a few exceptions.

*I know Nick and think he is a genuinely great human being, and I want to see this work out for him in the best way possible.


All that aside, you're correct in saying people tend to fire at each other when big money is involved. I've seen some of the most epic and petty arguments take place on this site over cards. It's just mind boggling to me how upset and personal people take this stuff. And I never get involved. The only reason I'm chiming in on this one is because of the biases listed above.

There always seems to be a few different crowds on threads like these:

*The Jealous types that are bitter they never have stuff like this happen to them. They tend to just attack the morality of the whole situation and try to make the OP feel like a scumbag for being lucky. They also are the ones that try to beat down the card like it's a common.

*The potential buyers who attack the value of the card publicly because they are secretly very interested and are already sending PMs to the OP trying to use every possible angle to rationalize a lesser price.

*The guys who don't care at all but just love the story and want to follow along and see how it plays out.

*The friends of the OP who sometimes push the agenda too far the other direction and hype things up to irrational levels.

*The trouble makers. The forum misanthropes. The usual suspects who bicker on every thread for the sheer joy of trolling and causing discord.



As for my personal thoughts on this card/situation, let me explain my reasoning. First I think about 90s cards and the craze that started back in late 2010 and early 2011. Almost overnight, cards that were previously $40 were selling for $400 or lots more by 2014. They plateaued a bit for a while, but they seem to still be steadily climbing.

To your point about the Dirk Row 1 being listed for 10k after the championship in 2011...perhaps it didn't sell because that was just the start of the 90s craze??? People had not yet endured much Panini at that point and still weren't willing to drop 5 figures on guys not named Jordan or Kobe. That's changed a lot now. Collectors like myself have pretty much sworn off Panini sans a few releases and have focused exclusively on 90s stuff. I'll be doing a mail day post late this month or early July showcasing my purchases just this year......4+ 90s Masterpieces. Three of which I put off buying until this year because I was finally done with Panini. And luckily the original owner had been holding them for me for many years. But that's besides the point. My point is that as a 90s player collector, I coveted those cards and have dropped a stupid amount of money on my player. And there is no way I'm the only player collector willing to drop insane (to bystanders anyway) money to get these cards.

Another point I want to bring up is regarding the true scarcity of 90s Masterpieces. Yes they're 1/1s just the same as any 1/1 Panini produces, but they're finished. There are no more and there will be no more. Each player in the 97-98 and 98-99 Flair sets has exactly 7 Masterpieces to chase. On the other hand, as Panini has proven time and time again with their products, they will whore out the fresh new signers until their cards have lost all their allure and value. Well, maybe not all their value, but greatly diminished. Webber was another great example of this. Try buying a 90s Webber auto for under $200....maybe a a couple of the Ultra ones can be had for $150 now. But the Autographics continue to climb. I bought my first one in 2011 for $290, and now you can't touch them for under $400. Panini has actually caused the rise of 90s cards value, and they continue to do so.

Panini pumped and whored out his autos in 13-14 Flawless. It was all so exciting. People were losing their minds, paying a minimum $300 for any card. And Panini kept them coming. And then the stickers came. And now you can buy Webber NT autos for $40 all day. Even many Flawless autos barely clear $100.

My point is that yes the Dirk 1/1, auto and inscribed, Logoman only went for 15k. But in 5 years, they're might be 20 more across all the products that look just like it. Maybe more. And then it'll be a $1500 card. Speculation, yes. But panini has a proven track record of doing this.

Also, there are so many mid-30s guys who probably coveted these 90s Masterpieces since they were 14 when the product came out. Many of them have the money now. 10k+ money? Maybe not many, but more than you think.

And never underestimate the value of a foreign player. We take our athletes for granted in the states. We've got so many amazing athletes that get so much praise and recognition. Oftentimes we're sick of seeing and hearing about them. Heck, we'll "turn" on our athletes at the drop of a hat because we've got a younger, better version just waiting to take his place.

Foreign stars that make it big in the US are national heroes! These guys are more highly regarded back home than perhaps anyone in their country. Look at the Yao phenomenon in China. Heck, look at even Starbury over there as a foreigner. And Dirk might be the best foreign NBA'er of all time. One of the best players period, regardless of nationality.

I can only imagine how many Germans, and/or Europeans in general who would go for a card like this at all costs.

As for the Carter comparisons, I cannot speak to them in great detail. I've only been back in the hobby since 2010, but I'm well aware of the stories about carolinablue and what a shady character he is. In fact, I'm positive the OP himself had a card stolen from him by none other than carolinablue. My point is that a lot of people also know about this guy and wouldn't buy a $40 card from him, let alone a 4-5 figure card. But someone did apparently buy one for 6k.

It's tough to play the "who's the better player" argument to establish value for these cards. It really doesn't matter. It's the fan base and collectors that matter. Again, look at the recent CWebb auctions. If I came on this board prior to those cards being listed and said that random Hoops 1/1s and Reflections 1/1s from the mid 2000's would sell for 1k, I'd have been laughed off the board and told I was crazy. If I had said Masterpieces would sell for 3k and that the Exquisite would sell for 6k, no one would have believed me either. It's Chris Webber.....possibly never even gonna get in the HOF. Just a really good PF from the 90s. But guess what, his die hard fans REALLY care and continue to show it with their wallets.

I'm sure we can go back and forth, point and counterpoint, for days on end about the perceived value of this card. I can honestly see both sides of the argument. I've been surprised how low and how high cards have sold in the past. But all that is just a bunch of rhetoric. I'm simply trying to explain why I feel the way I do about the potential value. It's just one guys opinion, and biased at that.

I'm just really excited for Nick and can't wait to see how this plays out. I'm not heartless either. It does suck for the seller. I get that. And if I was that guy, I'd rather never know what I'd done (though some of the guys from the "troublemaker" category above have probably already messaged the poor guy just to be jerks). But Nick doesn't owe him anything. If he chooses to send him some money in the end, well, that's just a great human being thing to do. But he should feel absolutely no shame for "winning the lottery." None. Zero.


As a semi 90s collector I agree to a lot of your points about Panini, flooded market, 90's price, etc. Yes Webber skybox autographic is still expensive, but check out pippen and many other guys with even less autograph produced. Yes Webber masterpiece just ended for record prices, but do you know Shaq/Kobe 98-99 row1 Masterpiece combined sell for less than the Dirk estimate here? (check minnesotachill's post and Idol's post). When it comes down to 1/1 market, everything is hypothetical and you may use some experience from people who actually sell these cards.

When it comes to international market you're right again, Chinese collector pay crazy prices for Yao or European collectors pay crazy prices for Dirk. Even Mcgrady in China have large number of die hard fans. Almost all the high end Mcgrady exquisites showed up in recent years ended up in China. However, 98-99 Mcgrady showcase masterpiece ended for 1500(ask Idol) and 97-98 Mcgrady showcase masterpiece RC ended for less than 3000(ask the other guy who found it in a safe and posted a thread here). Meanwhile Mcgrady limited logos easily go for 1500+ and Mcgrady emblems easily 3000+, let alone 1/1 logoman autograph. There are also many high end and hardcore Kobe collectors around the world and most of them that I know are from Asia. It has nothing to do with international players sometimes. Everyone knows there are only a handful of 90's Masterpiece
but hundreds of panini jumbo patch auto and a few logoman auto produced every year, however you can check out the 00-01 Kobe Showcase masterpiece ending price, of which many include in the 90s category, and compare it to Kobe limited logos or Immaculate Premium Patch. These are just hard facts. As much as we 90's homers love masterpieces, sellers usually move PMG red or limited logos much faster than 90s masterpieces.

Dirk row1 was listed in 2011 for 10k without a buyer, but no one knows whether best offer was 3k or 9k at that time. You're right again 90s stuff went up a lot since 2011, but Dirk prices also jumped up a lot after the finals. In 2008, Paul Pierce ultra platinum was 1k and now it's 200. You never know what is the bigger factor, 90's hype or championship. Dirk Apex xtreme just popped up and was having trouble to move at 2.5k before someone finally bought it. Dirk 99-00 showcase was even lower. Dirk eminence auto patch and easily go over 1k, 1/1 inscribed NT auto 3k, cards like these can be remade and eventually market could be flooded we all know that, but these collectors who are actually paying money don't seem to buy 90s masterpiece for even 1-2k, at least for now. Again these are just hard facts observed.

Now what if someone bought the VC masterpiece for 6k but thinks Dirk only worth 5k because VC highlights is appreciated more than Dirk's title and longevity? Hypothetically someone who actually pays for these types of cards was waiting to buy this Dirk for whatever he thinks is fair, but everyone who won't buy the card say it worth more than the real collectors would pay. It might or might not be the case here, but it seems to happen on this forum a lot. There are always people buying and selling cards being talked about here, but talk is cheap. Being biased is enough said. What's the difference between the potential buyers who attack the value of the card and OP's friend who praises it? When you're biased your every valid point could be flawed.

Enough back and forth that could go on and on forever. This is not attacking you Matt hope you don't take it that way. Reason I figured this is strange is that I thought 90's masterpiece collectors could embrace the fact that masterpiece has a smaller market than patch auto/PMG/Rubies, etc, rather than say something worth 20k and some collectors will buy it for 20k when you have no exact idea who will buy it.

[lietuvalabas]

As a semi 90s collector I agree to a lot of your points about Panini, flooded market, 90's price, etc. Yes Webber skybox autographic is still expensive, but check out pippen and many other guys with even less autograph produced. Yes Webber masterpiece just ended for record prices, but do you know Shaq/Kobe 98-99 row1 Masterpiece combined sell for less than the Dirk estimate here? (check minnesotachill's post and Idol's post). When it comes down to 1/1 market, everything is hypothetical and you may use some experience from people who actually sell these cards.

When it comes to international market you're right again, Chinese collector pay crazy prices for Yao or European collectors pay crazy prices for Dirk. Even Mcgrady in China have large number of die hard fans. Almost all the high end Mcgrady exquisites showed up in recent years ended up in China. However, 98-99 Mcgrady showcase masterpiece ended for 1500(ask Idol) and 97-98 Mcgrady showcase masterpiece RC ended for less than 3000(ask the other guy who found it in a safe and posted a thread here). Meanwhile Mcgrady limited logos easily go for 1500+ and Mcgrady emblems easily 3000+, let alone 1/1 logoman autograph. There are also many high end and hardcore Kobe collectors around the world and most of them that I know are from Asia. It has nothing to do with international players sometimes. Everyone knows there are only a handful of 90's Masterpiece
but hundreds of panini jumbo patch auto and a few logoman auto produced every year, however you can check out the 00-01 Kobe Showcase masterpiece ending price, of which many include in the 90s category, and compare it to Kobe limited logos or Immaculate Premium Patch. These are just hard facts. As much as we 90's homers love masterpieces, sellers usually move PMG red or limited logos much faster than 90s masterpieces.

Dirk row1 was listed in 2011 for 10k without a buyer, but no one knows whether best offer was 3k or 9k at that time. You're right again 90s stuff went up a lot since 2011, but Dirk prices also jumped up a lot after the finals. In 2008, Paul Pierce ultra platinum was 1k and now it's 200. You never know what is the bigger factor, 90's hype or championship. Dirk Apex xtreme just popped up and was having trouble to move at 2.5k before someone finally bought it. Dirk 99-00 showcase was even lower. Dirk eminence auto patch and easily go over 1k, 1/1 inscribed NT auto 3k, cards like these can be remade and eventually market could be flooded we all know that, but these collectors who are actually paying money don't seem to buy 90s masterpiece for even 1-2k, at least for now. Again these are just hard facts observed.

Now what if someone bought the VC masterpiece for 6k but thinks Dirk only worth 5k because VC highlights is appreciated more than Dirk's title and longevity? Hypothetically someone who actually pays for these types of cards was waiting to buy this Dirk for whatever he thinks is fair, but everyone who won't buy the card say it worth more than the real collectors would pay. It might or might not be the case here, but it seems to happen on this forum a lot. There are always people buying and selling cards being talked about here, but talk is cheap. Being biased is enough said. What's the difference between the potential buyers who attack the value of the card and OP's friend who praises it? When you're biased your every valid point could be flawed.

Enough back and forth that could go on and on forever. This is not attacking you Matt hope you don't take it that way. Reason I figured this is strange is that I thought 90's masterpiece collectors could embrace the fact that masterpiece has a smaller market than patch auto/PMG/Rubies, etc, rather than say something worth 20k and some collectors will buy it for 20k when you have no exact idea who will buy it.

The wording in this and examples cited seem very eerily similar to those of an offer I received a few days ago...:rolleyes: I guess friends help friends in both directions in this hobby

Won't name names but after a little digging I think i nailed it ^

[ReggieEvansPC]

Dirk is timeless.

[the34truth]

The wording in this and examples cited seem very eerily similar to those of an offer I received a few days ago...:rolleyes: I guess friends help friends in both directions in this hobby

Won't name names but after a little digging I think i nailed it ^


Btw i was just speaking to someone who I view as a legitimate 90s player collectors, and I don't really feel good or bad about your steal OP. Good job getting a big card in a blind purchase but to me it's all other people's money. Only thing I care about is whether I could continue to collect cards I like, and that happen to include a few class of 98 1/1s. Last thing I want to see is some flipper gets a Paul Pierce masterpiece rc for a dollar and everyone says it worth 20k. Thats my interests and my position, and is also the reason I find posts where people make these comments funny. Keep digging OP but none of my arguments are against you.

[lietuvalabas]

I bought both VC and McGrady I mentioned and also negotiated with the seller who sold the Dirk apex and the seller who sold the 9798 McGrady, that's where I know the information from and I believe in the insights from people who have actual experience buying and selling these stuff. I was also looking for Dirk Row1 that appeared in 2011 but can't locate it. When I first know about this Dirk row2 I was also interested but as soon as I see how things turn out I had to give up. 6k for VC is kinda dumb and impulse buy, and No way I'd pay more than 10k for a Dirk. However you will possibly get that anyway, like others say there is international market, 90s craze, etc.

Btw i was just speaking to someone who I view as a legitimate 90s player collectors, and I don't really feel good or bad about your steal OP. Good job getting a big card in a blind purchase but to me it's all other people's money. Only thing I care about is whether I could continue to collect cards I like, and that happen to include a few class of 98 1/1s. Last thing I want to see is some flipper gets a Paul Pierce masterpiece rc for a dollar and everyone says it worth 20k. Thats my interests and my position, and is also the reason I find posts where people make these comments funny. Keep digging OP but none of my arguments are against you.

I'm not saying you're directly trying to attack me or anything like that, after all its just cardboard...just a small portion of my life that I enjoy. Just saying the arguments you made are very similar to those of someone I do suspect is a friend of yours though I can't say 100% that he is. But I do get that you'd like to sort of protect yourself from a future pierce masterpiece row 2 or 3 from going through the roof...just wish it wasn't at the expense of my card. Like I said not taking offense just wishing to protect my investment, just as you are yours.

[Arianny_Fan]

Easy money right there. Congrads man!

[HBMC]

You sir, have won the lottery, congrats! I am a big Dirk fan (not a serious collector, I do well, but not that well :eek: ) and I do hope you get a boatload for this card! :)!

[kyleuk21]

Thats awesome

[richardstarr]

I know its been a long time, but I'm curious, did this card actually sell?
If so, for how much.

[AbraCalabro]

I know its been a long time, but I'm curious, did this card actually sell?
If so, for how much.

Yes, it sold and it is now a BGS 9. I don't know what it sold for.

[Vinny407]

Any time I’m at a garage sale, this story is still in the front of my mind.

[Orangejello727]

what happen to the OP? Banned?

[RogerGodahell]

what happen to the OP? Banned?

I dunno i saw that and was wondering too. Looks like he was canceled. He seemed like a nice guy whenever i talked to him. Probably something political related.

[bdrr]

I dunno i saw that and was wondering too. Looks like he was canceled. He seemed like a nice guy whenever i talked to him. Probably something political related.

This is correct. He made some wrong side of the line comments that went a little too far to the point they were taken as a personal attack (and which he readily admits to being a bit too much).

[oshmeehan]

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