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sportscardsguy
08-21-2017, 07:57 PM
I bought this card for $220 back in 1990. It's been in my parent's safe ever since in a lucite holder and out of sunlight.

I always take a look around to see what a PSA 10 gets for this card is getting these days. I've read that one went for over $94k in March.

This auction: https://goo.gl/WCkwyG as of this post has about an hour and a half to go and is currently priced at just over $64k. PSA gave this card a 10 which I disagree with.

If you look at the middle panel, it is shifted way over to the right side. Also, the top blue line of the first panel and the green in the 2nd panel do not line up straight across. The first panel itself is also slightly shifted to the right side. These three can be see with the naked eye.

My card, which I don't have pics of because I am in Florida and my parents safe is in NY, has the black dash of ink in the 3rd panel underneath the 'O' in Johnson. But my centering is perfect on both the front and the back. I have all the perforations, and the print on the card of all 3 panels is perfectly square. It is not rotated like you can see on most of all the other cards. This black dash is a well known printing error and is seen on most of the cards.

I have seen only 1 PSA GEM MINT 10 with this dash of ink. Some argue that it can't take away from the cards value because it's not part of the 4 criteria used to grade a card because it is a printer's flaw.

Centering is the first in line and therefore the most important of the 4 criteria. This card in the auction is clearly not centered. Mine, trust me, is perfectly centered but has the black dash.

Is it possible for me to get a 10 from PSA or am I stuck with a 9 that is worth 1/10 of the value because of this printing ink flaw?

I really don't think the card in the auction deserved a 10 and feel that it is one of those cards that has been submitted many many times until the card owner got his 10. And that is a flaw with PSA.

I could be wrong but how else can you explain giving this card a 10 when it is clearly off center?

I would really appreciate anybody's input.

ThoseBackPages
08-21-2017, 08:03 PM
Welcome back to the boards!

Its a great card in any grade. slab immediately

nman84
08-21-2017, 08:03 PM
Would need to know a lot more about the card besides centering and the black underscore.

Don't think you will get much helpful input without pics.

sportscardsguy
08-21-2017, 08:21 PM
I'm not really asking anyone to grade my card. I'm just in shock that this card got a 10 with such bad centering. And more importantly, can this card get a 10 with the black dash of ink that is a well known printing plate error?

ThoseBackPages
08-21-2017, 08:25 PM
i doubt yours would 10 if it has the black line

you overpaid for it in 1990, but you should be good to grade it regardless

sportscardsguy
08-21-2017, 08:38 PM
Maybe I did overpay for it, I don't really care. It was the first standalone card I ever bought. Rookie mistake.

Next time I am in NY I am going to take it over to NJ directly to PSA and get it graded while I wait.

sportscardsguy
08-21-2017, 08:48 PM
Winning bid:US $68,988.00

This card would have gone for a lot more had it been centered the way you would expect a PSA of 10 to be. No doubt in my mind.

ThoseBackPages
08-21-2017, 08:50 PM
Winning bid:US $68,988.00

This card would have gone for a lot more had it been centered the way you would expect a PSA of 10 to be. No doubt in my mind.

Glad you were able to land it!

Yes, i agree a copy with the perf's better centered would have gone for more

aggie4ever
08-21-2017, 08:53 PM
I think you are making way too much out of where the perforations are on the card, those apparently having nothing to do with the centering of the card when grading. If it had been separated into three pieces, then yes, the centering for each piece would be off. Since it is a complete three piece card, then the centering is based only on the printed borders and the outside edge of the card. And based on those, the centering looks great.

6celtics33
08-22-2017, 08:00 AM
I agree, it definitely looks better when each mini card is centered as well but I've looked at plenty of high grades in all 3 holders and it doesn't seem to be a point of emphasis for grading.

MJGOAT23
08-22-2017, 08:14 AM
I think you are making way too much out of where the perforations are on the card, those apparently having nothing to do with the centering of the card when grading. If it had been separated into three pieces, then yes, the centering for each piece would be off. Since it is a complete three piece card, then the centering is based only on the printed borders and the outside edge of the card. And based on those, the centering looks great.

This is true but I get what the OP is saying, once you fixate on the Erving and Magic panels, its hard to unsee.

Murphy8276
08-22-2017, 03:42 PM
Just submit the card and find out. My guess is they won't even grade yours unless you take it out of that Lucite holder that RUINS cards. They usually say they can see the card has been pressed and is determined Altered Stock. I have gotten them to grade after months of being out of the slab, but I present the best example you will ever see why you need to remove from that hunk of s___ slab immediately! :D

Your 10 could be a 1 when you're finally ready to submit! (in my case a lock for 7 into a 1)

http://i67.tinypic.com/zoj8lx.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/eaqgds.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/ildu6e.jpg

ThoseBackPages
08-22-2017, 03:59 PM
Love that MJ!

sportscardsguy
08-22-2017, 07:04 PM
Just submit the card and find out. My guess is they won't even grade yours unless you take it out of that Lucite holder that RUINS cards. They usually say they can see the card has been pressed and is determined Altered Stock. I have gotten them to grade after months of being out of the slab, but I present the best example you will ever see why you need to remove from that hunk of s___ slab immediately! :D

Your 10 could be a 1 when you're finally ready to submit! (in my case a lock for 7 into a 1)

http://i67.tinypic.com/zoj8lx.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/eaqgds.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/ildu6e.jpg

:doh:
Thanks for scaring the hell outta me, lol.

sportscardsguy
08-23-2017, 03:21 PM
I called up North. It's not in a lucite holder. :)!

ThoseBackPages
08-23-2017, 03:22 PM
I called up North. It's not in a lucite holder. :)!

NICE!

saraceno21
08-23-2017, 03:26 PM
Call back up north and ask them to text you a picture?