who is the next chrome blowup?

[lietuvalabas]

we've seen all chrome, and prizm refractors rise...first LeBron, then Duncan, then dirk, anyone seen tony parkers refractors? wow! I wouldn't have bought one at a show for $10 until I saw those prices. Many of these are that I think the players were underappreciated during their prime and people are getting nostalgic.

who is the next guy to blow up?

[drobfan8]

It has to be Dwyane Wade, he's cheaper than VC, Pierce, Dirk (I would have thought he'd at least be on his level eventually price wise), Nash, R. Allen etc

Add in he's in the class of 03.

I think he's the most affordable lock for a price rise. Full disclosure, yes I have one, but I just don't think it makes this any less true.

[bdrr]

Pau is already a lot higher than I thought he'd get.

But yeah. Wade & Bosh are the only guys left at reasonable prices.

I dunno maybe Brandon Roy makes a comeback lol

[TWard]

Maciej. Freaking. Lampe.

These cards are gonna be $100/pop soon. Stock up while you can!!!

[Kosmo Kards]

Tracy McGrady.

[TWard]

who is the next guy to blow up?


Guy?..... or girl? [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

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[TheVolta]

To be fair Wade and McGrady aren't exactly cheap.
This might not happen for a bit... but I think it's Dwight Howard.
Arguable HOFer on a sharpe decline at the end of his career.

[minnesotachill]

I'm banking on it being Kawhi Leonard.


I bought close to 20 Kevin Durant Chrome Refractors last year for around $300-400 apiece because I thought his cards were underrated.

I've been buying Kawhi Prizm RCs here and there and slowly starting to accumulate a nice collection.

[JMarchand1981]

Guy?..... or girl? [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/06df93400dddc5bbf1bab1279cbe1a04.jpg

She is incredibly attractive.

[Orangejello727]

Kyrie Prizm going to take off

[JayConley]

Kyrie will be the next one, I agree. Ray Allen will continue to go up, DWade will spike and so will Bosh and Howard. Howard is a HOF lock and Bosh is too.

[mindcycle]

Wade. I've been saying it for awhile now and it seems like people aware slowly catching on. When a raw Simmons, a guy who hasn't even played yet, can reach close to $400 for a raw Prizm refractor, yet Wade, a 3x champ, 12x all star, can't even reach $250 for a gem mint refractor, you know something is wrong.

[lietuvalabas]

So are only the refractors worth a buy or will the base rookies be worth it too? Ie Vince and wade etc.

[bblaue1]

Chris Paul chrome and John Wall stuff


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[JayConley]

Chris Paul chrome and John Wall stuff


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John Wall doesn't have one.

[the27guy]

The answer is clearly Rudy gobert. When the jazz win 50 games this year, people will finally realize what's up.... but unlike any other star - he only has a prizm auto rookie.

[rookies]

The answer is clearly Rudy gobert. When the jazz win 50 games this year, people will finally realize what's up.... but unlike any other star - he only has a prizm auto rookie.

LOL

I think AD has some good potential also KAT and Giannis. AD is in a good spot if they suck hes almost a lock to be traded and if they do well I think he shines as well and sees a bump. KAT and Giannis I think both teams are top 4 seeds in conference and both have clear stars on their teams. People want to try and get the next star and we will see that this year now that Giannis and Kat will win more games.

[drobfan8]

To be fair Wade and McGrady aren't exactly cheap.
This might not happen for a bit... but I think it's Dwight Howard.
Arguable HOFer on a sharpe decline at the end of his career.

Wade is so cheap. Under $200 for a guy that was really only 2nd to Kobe at his position, with 3 rings and a finals MVP? You can get ungraded for around the $100 mark.

LeBron sells for what? $1500+
D. Wade has gotta be at least half the player he is. Although never had a great following to begin with.

The Dwight call is great also. $15 for the refractor version? Damn.

I've recently picked up a B. Gordon gold for $15 and an A. Bogut black for $6.

Love it.

Also grabbed Diaw and D. West Golds a while ago for super cheap (I know they aren't gonna blow up, just loved them playing for SA).

There are some incredible finds.

A. Kirilenko is on my wantlist.

[Vinny28]

Chris Paul chrome and John Wall stuff


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I agree. I think Chris Paul is a lock for HOF. Surprised his cards is not getting enough love. If he wins one championship in Houston, his cards will goes up fast.

[Chain]

I know it's not really Topps Chrome, but the same technology: Kevin Garnett Finest RC. Am I the only one who feels this is underrated right now? Unlike later year chromes and Prizms, this is actually a top 20 all-time player's best RC.

[d2t]

Ben Simmons

[derotter]

Ben Simmons

LOL

https://cdnph.upi.com/topic/photo/ss/upi/439628901021c7f9c5964109d09b9109/UTAH-JAZZ-VS-DENVER-NUGGETS_1.jpg

and

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/marion.jpg

and

http://www.trbimg.com/img-51597b37/turbine/chi-wallace2000-photo


Maybe people will realize how good and amazing were these 3 guys.

[drobfan8]

LOL

https://cdnph.upi.com/topic/photo/ss/upi/439628901021c7f9c5964109d09b9109/UTAH-JAZZ-VS-DENVER-NUGGETS_1.jpg

and

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/marion.jpg

and

http://www.trbimg.com/img-51597b37/turbine/chi-wallace2000-photo


Maybe people will realize how good and amazing were these 3 guys.

I'm not sure why people constantly LOL at young talent, some of the time these guys turn out pretty legit. But if you shoot down every guy that's been hyped, you will be right more often than not, which is why I think people take this route.

I loved Kirilenko, but I doubt we'll see his Chrome Refractor ever selling for big $$$ unless Mother Russia jumps in to cards big time. He was a great role player.

Marion was another semi-star. Nice with Phoenix (like any player that had Nash dropping dimes to them) but another role player. Bounced around a bunch of teams, not the kind of guy I think will see huge bumps. Or even mediocre ones.

B. Wallace was legit, but he doesn't even have a Chrome Refractor?

These guys are fan favs for sure. Ben Wallace has the best chance out of these to garner some more love. I still want his 96 Platinum Medallion.

[d2t]

If I was in the hobby in the mid 2000s I would have loaded up on Big Ben, easily my fav player at the time. Seems like I'm always following a Ben

[kukocitb]

I picked up a TON of refractors at the national. To me it almost seems like the kids in their late teens now wanted refractors growing up and now that some can afford to go after them they are starting to pay up. Somewhat similar to what most of us are doing chasing rare 90s stuff.

[mindcycle]

I agree. I think Chris Paul is a lock for HOF. Surprised his cards is not getting enough love. If he wins one championship in Houston, his cards will goes up fast.

His refractors have already gone up 3x or so in price since his move to Houston. I agree though, if he wins a championship who knows what will happen.

Glad I grabbed a refractor for $40 earlier this year, and this one last year..

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35020485893_af476001ae_z.jpg

[derotter]

Kirilenko & Marion role players :eek:?

[IronMonkey415]

John Wall, Chris Paul, and James Harden cards will be at an all time high.

[buckunteer]

I picked up a TON of refractors at the national. To me it almost seems like the kids in their late teens now wanted refractors growing up and now that some can afford to go after them they are starting to pay up. Somewhat similar to what most of us are doing chasing rare 90s stuff.


I assume they were all to add to my 90s refractor chase?? :D :D :D :D

[Jasondr91]

Kirilenko & Marion role players :eek:?

The Matrix's window as a superstar are was larger in my opinion than AK47s, but both ended up role players. They were both however superstars at one time. So I'm with you on this thought.

Both drastically took on the role of role player.

And without a doubt.....DH12 is a first ballot HOF center. Yes, his career on on a sharp decline, and he's with his 50th team, but he was the best center for a decade, and has many NBA awards minus the scoring title and a ring.

[the27guy]

LOL



No LOL. For real.

Here's my case.

It's his team now. No more sharing w Hayward.

He lead the league in both Defensive and offensive efficiency last year, and was All NBA second team as a 4th year player. Only missed out on first team by a few votes.

His Prizm rookies are far far rarer than any current player of similar quality - because they're all autographed. There are probably 40-60x as many prizm rookies of any current player than there are of Gobert.

Don't say I didn't tell you so after his stuff goes up. It's already gone up a ton, I understand that, but you can still get one for $20. Considering all factors, I think that's a steal.

There is however some percentage chance that I'm blinded by my fandom. It's been known to happen. haha.

[mindcycle]

No LOL. For real.

Here's my case.

It's his team now. No more sharing w Hayward.

He lead the league in both Defensive and offensive efficiency last year, and was All NBA second team as a 4th year player. Only missed out on first team by a few votes.

His Prizm rookies are far far rarer than any current player of similar quality - because they're all autographed. There are probably 40-60x as many prizm rookies of any current player than there are of Gobert.

Don't say I didn't tell you so after his stuff goes up. It's already gone up a ton, I understand that, but you can still get one for $20. Considering all factors, I think that's a steal.

There is however some percentage chance that I'm blinded by my fandom. It's been known to happen. haha.

I like Gobert, I hope he gets some hobby love next season. He deserves it IMO. I also wish we hadn't traded him, what were we thinking? :doh:

[the27guy]

I like Gobert, I hope he gets some hobby love next season. He deserves it IMO. I also wish we hadn't traded him, what were we thinking? :doh:

You guys got Erick Greene though! He is legit.

Sorry. Had to. :)

You guys will be good this year. Think we might be fighting each other in that 6-10 area.

[phdbeckett]

Different Sport but the 1996 Topps Chrome Jeter. Same "retail only" pedigree as Kobe. Much more difficult to locate, and grade. Also a Rookie year card(He was ROY in 1996), but not a rookie card.

People have their minds made up on this as it applies to pre-2005 releases, but as time goes on...
Banking these.

[mindcycle]

You guys got Erick Greene though! He is legit.

Sorry. Had to. :)

You guys will be good this year. Think we might be fighting each other in that 6-10 area.

Haha yeah. :p Didn't he actually play with the Jazz for a bit after we waived him?

I do think we'll be right in there with you this season. Nuggets / Jazz games this year should be fun!

[mc1]

Different Sport but the 1996 Topps Chrome Jeter. Same "retail only" pedigree as Kobe. Much more difficult to locate, and grade. Also a Rookie year card(He was ROY in 1996), but not a rookie card.

People have their minds made up on this as it applies to pre-2005 releases, but as time goes on...
Banking these.

Baseball is so odd when it comes to rookies. Didnt he have rookies in 93? He also played some late late in 95. Edit: Actually debuted in May, played some In June and then played few games Sept.

For those who said McGrady, his cards already rose some 3x-4x from the levels they were at 12-18 months. So that may have already happened.

[SteveO21]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/marion.jpg

Maybe people will realize how good and amazing were these 3 guys.

I'm actively looking for the Marion to go along with these 3

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/35380445773_a37ca82d57.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VUs2TK)https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4295/35380448233_2a48b0dcc9.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VUs3Ca)https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4328/36143920436_e51c98057a.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/X4V3j1)

[SteveO21]

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/36143921726_7fa1e9d4c8.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/X4V3Gf)
1999-00 TOPPS CHROME REFRACTORS #113 RON ARTEST (https://flic.kr/p/X4V3Gf) by SMosley21x (https://www.flickr.com/photos/58237108@N06/), on Flickr

[Pennyoka]

From Topps, Westbrook is already high but I could see it following a projection similar to Dirk for gems because the vast majority are cut off center. CP3 and Wade are beginning to rise and I expect them to continue to do so. If the Rockets make a deep playoff run this season, and I think they will, Harden will rise.

Out of Prizm, I think the entire 2012/13 series has room to grow. These are actually scarce compared to lots of the base Topps Chrome refractors and recent Prizm releases (trust me I look for them all the time). Kawhi is already ridiculous at this point but I can see them go higher with sustained winning in SA (and what else would you expect?)... In comparison, Anthony Davis is undervalued at this point. 4 time AS and First Team All NBA already and he's only 24 THROUGH next season. He will eventually find himself in a winning situation and when that happens I expect his stuff to reach Kawhi level. Kyrie can also also grow if he takes Boston to the Finals in the next couple years. Lastly, Giannis from 13-14 is already high but I think he will keep going up as he ascents to one of the top 5 players in the league. I fully expect the Bucks and Celtics to succeed the Cavs as the best teams in the east in the next couple years (or next year when Bron leaves).

[Jpayne7787]

Jameis Winston

[COMCMax]

Michael Jordan 90's refractors. These things have been stashed away. I think I've seen one or two all summer.

1996-97 Topps Chrome Refractors #139 MICHAEL JORDAN Refractor (http://bit.ly/2vR68yp)

[the27guy]

Michael Jordan 90's refractors. These things have been stashed away. I think I've seen one or two all summer.

1996-97 Topps Chrome Refractors #139 MICHAEL JORDAN Refractor (http://bit.ly/2vR68yp)

Jordan Refractors have already taken off so much... but I think I agree that some have a long way to go.

[DajuanWagner]

Jordan Refractors have already taken off so much... but I think I agree that some have a long way to go.



93-94 and 94-95 have a long way to go. They have a lot of room to grow......

[Jasondr91]

93-94 and 94-95 have a long way to go. They have a lot of room to grow......

You're right.....focus on him. That /74 is mightily lonely in your sock drawer. I know a better home.....:)!

[Vinny28]

His refractors have already gone up 3x or so in price since his move to Houston. I agree though, if he wins a championship who knows what will happen.

Glad I grabbed a refractor for $40 earlier this year, and this one last year..

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35020485893_af476001ae_z.jpg

Holy cow! That's a sweet card :)!. I might plan to grab couple of his refractor before Houston goes deep into the playoff. Yet, it's mighty hard to take down the Super Villains GS Warriors :D

[bdrr]

I just realized that Yao is surprisingly cheap.

[yoyosh]

Do you guys forecast base chromes have room to grow or mostly just the refectors and #d?

[2010GBPackers]

we've seen all chrome, and prizm refractors rise...first LeBron, then Duncan, then dirk, anyone seen tony parkers refractors? wow! I wouldn't have bought one at a show for $10 until I saw those prices. Many of these are that I think the players were underappreciated during their prime and people are getting nostalgic.

who is the next guy to blow up?

Yep.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/mosdefmil/0326171122a.jpg

Tracy McGrady.

Yep.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/mosdefmil/0326171121.jpg

I just realized that Yao is surprisingly cheap.

Yep.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/mosdefmil/0326171117a.jpg


This is my favorite though. Can't find them anymore they were SSP'd. Kidd in a 10 is also just as tough. A Kidd sold for around $1500 8ish months ago. Got this for much, much cheaper.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/mosdefmil/0326171118.jpg

[mrmojorisin71]

So do you guys hold or sell a westbrook base chrome rc?

[tjforce]

No LOL. For real.

Here's my case.

It's his team now. No more sharing w Hayward.

He lead the league in both Defensive and offensive efficiency last year, and was All NBA second team as a 4th year player. Only missed out on first team by a few votes.

His Prizm rookies are far far rarer than any current player of similar quality - because they're all autographed. There are probably 40-60x as many prizm rookies of any current player than there are of Gobert.

Don't say I didn't tell you so after his stuff goes up. It's already gone up a ton, I understand that, but you can still get one for $20. Considering all factors, I think that's a steal.

There is however some percentage chance that I'm blinded by my fandom. It's been known to happen. haha.

This all makes sense, but my question that you should know the answer to more than I would, is does Gobert ever become a 20+ ppg scorer?

Right now this guy looks like a less version of Dikembe Mutombo, which is GREAT for the Jazz, but not very good for Rudy's hobby potential. Mutombo stuff doesn't move for much.

My worry is that the hobby just won't latch on to a guy who doesn't score and doesn't win championships.


*Also, the fact that this card is a sticker doesn't help. The whole Refractor movement is in part caused by collectors moving away from sticker and not game worn patch cards.

[the27guy]

This all makes sense, but my question that you should know the answer to more than I would, is does Gobert ever become a 20+ ppg scorer?

Right now this guy looks like a less version of Dikembe Mutombo, which is GREAT for the Jazz, but not very good for Rudy's hobby potential. Mutombo stuff doesn't move for much.

My worry is that the hobby just won't latch on to a guy who doesn't score and doesn't win championships.


*Also, the fact that this card is a sticker doesn't help. The whole Refractor movement is in part caused by collectors moving away from sticker and not game worn patch cards.

Fair points all around.

I would add the following color.

Last year, he was every bit as good as Mutombo ever was. Seriously. Go look at his defensive rating, advanced stats and even basic counting stats. He was unreal. Not a lesser dikembe. A more diverse mutombo.

Then look at what he did offensively. He lead the league in offensive efficiency. He jumped to 14 ppg. Nearly a 5 point jump! Then take into consideration that he averaged over 16 after the AS break, with no great passing point guards. Scoring well into the 20s several times. Now consider they just lost easily their best offensive player and added possibly the best passing point guard in the world.

I think he's a 16-18 ppg guy this season.

Does he ever hit 20? Probably not. But he will be a top 15 player in the league for the foreseeable future. And considering how rare his prizms are, that's nothing to shake a stick at.

Your point about the autograph is also good. But I'd just say that in cases where both autographed and non autographed prizm rookies exist, the autographs are worth about 5x what the non autos are worth - see kyrie, AD, giannis... pretty much everyone. The difference w Gobert? He doesn't have a non-auto. That's not a choice if you want the prizm rookie. You've only got one to choose from if you're a prizm collector.

Bottom line - if Rudy takes that next step and prizm collectors want his rookie.... the laws of supply and demand will certainly make his hoarders happy.

[tjforce]

Fair points all around.

I would add the following color.

Last year, he was every bit as good as Mutombo ever was. Seriously. Go look at his defensive rating, advanced stats and even basic counting stats. He was unreal. Not a lesser dikembe. A more diverse mutombo.

Then look at what he did offensively. He lead the league in offensive efficiency. He jumped to 14 ppg. Nearly a 5 point jump! Then take into consideration that he averaged over 16 after the AS break, with no great passing point guards. Scoring well into the 20s several times. Now consider they just lost easily their best offensive player and added possibly the best passing point guard in the world.

I think he's a 16-18 ppg guy this season.

Does he ever hit 20? Probably not. But he will be a top 15 player in the league for the foreseeable future. And considering how rare his prizms are, that's nothing to shake a stick at.

Your point about the autograph is also good. But I'd just say that in cases where both autographed and non autographed prizm rookies exist, the autographs are worth about 5x what the non autos are worth - see kyrie, AD, giannis... pretty much everyone. The difference w Gobert? He doesn't have a non-auto. That's not a choice if you want the prizm rookie. You've only got one to choose from if you're a prizm collector.

Bottom line - if Rudy takes that next step and prizm collectors want his rookie.... the laws of supply and demand will certainly make his hoarders happy.

Makes some sense....

I say lesser because Mutombo did it for so long that it's hard to put Rudy on that level yet. That being said, if he can keep improving and play at that level for the next 10 years he will be up there.

[the27guy]

Makes some sense....

I say lesser because Mutombo did it for so long that it's hard to put Rudy on that level yet. That being said, if he can keep improving and play at that level for the next 10 years he will be up there.

Oh yeah. I'm with you there. We've gotten one all NBA season out of Gobert....

Interestingly though, mutombo never made all first team and only made all second team once. So Rudy has already tied him there.

Mutombo made 8 all star games though. Woah. That's more than I'd have guessed.

But bottom line, if the jazz aren't at least a competitive team, competing in the tough west, no one will care.

If, on the other hand, they come out and win 48-50 games and we learn that their success was more about Rudy than Gordon.... look out for the prizms.

[Italy61587]

I looked and I don’t think Manu Ginobili has been mentioned yet. I think his chrome refractor is vastly underrated for the role he’s played with the Spurs for so many years

[hermanotarjeta]

I think sealed boxes of topps chrome, virtually any year, and especially if they have serial numbered inserts or key rookies in them.

[phdbeckett]

Fair points all around.

I would add the following color.

Last year, he was every bit as good as Mutombo ever was. Seriously. Go look at his defensive rating, advanced stats and even basic counting stats. He was unreal. Not a lesser dikembe. A more diverse mutombo.

Then look at what he did offensively. He lead the league in offensive efficiency. He jumped to 14 ppg. Nearly a 5 point jump! Then take into consideration that he averaged over 16 after the AS break, with no great passing point guards. Scoring well into the 20s several times. Now consider they just lost easily their best offensive player and added possibly the best passing point guard in the world.

I think he's a 16-18 ppg guy this season.

Does he ever hit 20? Probably not. But he will be a top 15 player in the league for the foreseeable future. And considering how rare his prizms are, that's nothing to shake a stick at.

Your point about the autograph is also good. But I'd just say that in cases where both autographed and non autographed prizm rookies exist, the autographs are worth about 5x what the non autos are worth - see kyrie, AD, giannis... pretty much everyone. The difference w Gobert? He doesn't have a non-auto. That's not a choice if you want the prizm rookie. You've only got one to choose from if you're a prizm collector.

Bottom line - if Rudy takes that next step and prizm collectors want his rookie.... the laws of supply and demand will certainly make his hoarders happy.

His best Select items are spoken for. Most of them have come through me in the past 2 years, and to their PC destination in France. I see a lot of great Goberts. The Select is relatively tough to locate in quantity, and is from a base set, so there is that.

[the27guy]

His best Select items are spoken for. Most of them have come through me in the past 2 years, and to their PC destination in France. I see a lot of great Goberts. The Select is relatively tough to locate in quantity, and is from a base set, so there is that.

Yep. No question. Select is a good substitute for his prizm. You know how some collectors are though.... prizm or bust.

[ThoseBackPages]

I think sealed boxes of topps chrome, virtually any year, and especially if they have serial numbered inserts or key rookies in them.

This. Not only for NBA, but NFL & NHL as well

[JayConley]

Oh yeah. I'm with you there. We've gotten one all NBA season out of Gobert....

Interestingly though, mutombo never made all first team and only made all second team once. So Rudy has already tied him there.

Mutombo made 8 all star games though. Woah. That's more than I'd have guessed.

But bottom line, if the jazz aren't at least a competitive team, competing in the tough west, no one will care.

If, on the other hand, they come out and win 48-50 games and we learn that their success was more about Rudy than Gordon.... look out for the prizms.

Mutombo faced a much, much deeper and historically significant group of big men though (trust me, I'm the biggest advocate of players being better today than ever before - but this is true). Rudy will never roam the same land as Shaq, Ewing, Zo, Admiral, or Hakeem. The lack of All-NBA designations shouldn't irk anyone. He certainly held his own against the golden era of centers.

I love Rudy as a player. He's phenomenal. He certainly has a comparable ceiling to Dikembe. I just think it's just unfair to diminish Dikembe in Rudy's favor on the account of All-NBA designations. The fact that Dikembe got even one nod versus that cast is huge, imo.

[cp3fan]

Fair points all around.

I would add the following color.

Last year, he was every bit as good as Mutombo ever was. Seriously. Go look at his defensive rating, advanced stats and even basic counting stats. He was unreal. Not a lesser dikembe. A more diverse mutombo.

Then look at what he did offensively. He lead the league in offensive efficiency. He jumped to 14 ppg. Nearly a 5 point jump! Then take into consideration that he averaged over 16 after the AS break, with no great passing point guards. Scoring well into the 20s several times. Now consider they just lost easily their best offensive player and added possibly the best passing point guard in the world.

I think he's a 16-18 ppg guy this season.

Does he ever hit 20? Probably not. But he will be a top 15 player in the league for the foreseeable future. And considering how rare his prizms are, that's nothing to shake a stick at.

Your point about the autograph is also good. But I'd just say that in cases where both autographed and non autographed prizm rookies exist, the autographs are worth about 5x what the non autos are worth - see kyrie, AD, giannis... pretty much everyone. The difference w Gobert? He doesn't have a non-auto. That's not a choice if you want the prizm rookie. You've only got one to choose from if you're a prizm collector.

Bottom line - if Rudy takes that next step and prizm collectors want his rookie.... the laws of supply and demand will certainly make his hoarders happy.

I wouldn't count on Rudy being a top 15 player for the froseeable future. He has a lot of up and coming competition at his own position: Towns, Jokic, Porzingis, Embiid (health permitted). Out of that group, I think Embiid (due to health concerns) and Porzingis (due to the dumpster fire that is the Knicks) are the biggest question marks but Towns and Jokic are both on what should be improved teams and I think will be in play for all nba teams next season. I'm not sure Rudy even sniffs first team all nba next year. There's also Cosuins and/or AD (depending on where they put him on the ballot).

[gomiamigo]

Center should be AD, Embiid, Towns for the near future.

[rookies]

No LOL. For real.

Here's my case.

It's his team now. No more sharing w Hayward.

He lead the league in both Defensive and offensive efficiency last year, and was All NBA second team as a 4th year player. Only missed out on first team by a few votes.

His Prizm rookies are far far rarer than any current player of similar quality - because they're all autographed. There are probably 40-60x as many prizm rookies of any current player than there are of Gobert.

Don't say I didn't tell you so after his stuff goes up. It's already gone up a ton, I understand that, but you can still get one for $20. Considering all factors, I think that's a steal.

There is however some percentage chance that I'm blinded by my fandom. It's been known to happen. haha.

For that reason maybe a price spike. But hes pretty much just Deandre Jordan a better defender but not as many highlights like Deandre gets. Also plays in utah. I am also not very high on the Jazz this year with the west how it is. I think west has so many potential 3-10 teams. I dont see how he could emerge as a star. That said again he had a HUGE following with a few people and I know a few guys had like 70 of his NT rpa's and high end stuff locked up and maybe its coming out now and people havent had much of a chance to buy in the past. Who knows! But I would go AD for chromes I think he comes out hot and drops 33 a game and Pels start out like 7-2. And him and Boogie make it work but AD is the Alpha.

[the27guy]

I wouldn't count on Rudy being a top 15 player for the froseeable future. He has a lot of up and coming competition at his own position: Towns, Jokic, Porzingis, Embiid (health permitted). Out of that group, I think Embiid (due to health concerns) and Porzingis (due to the dumpster fire that is the Knicks) are the biggest question marks but Towns and Jokic are both on what should be improved teams and I think will be in play for all nba teams next season. I'm not sure Rudy even sniffs first team all nba next year. There's also Cosuins and/or AD (depending on where they put him on the ballot).

I'd bet on towns being better than Rudy. But he's the only one out of that list. The other guys have real talent, but Gobert still has room to grow, and he's already so good. I wouldn't bet on good health for embiid. Jokic is amazing. But hasn't proven to be a winner or that he can play d.

I know he wasn't great against your clippers, with his one injury of the season coming in the first play of the playoffs. But again.... he led the league in offensive and defensive efficiency.

But as always..... time will tell. :)

[ThoseBackPages]

who was the last "big man" the hobby really went gaga over? (and maintained it)

Ming?

[Jpayne7787]

who was the last "big man" the hobby really went gaga over? (and maintained it)

Ming?

Well KAT is entering his third year now and seems to only be getting stronger

[ThoseBackPages]

Well KAT is entering his third year now and seems to only be getting stronger

Thats true!

AD to some extent too. Having said that, these guys are new

[rookies]

who was the last "big man" the hobby really went gaga over? (and maintained it)

Ming?

Theres never anyone who does until they do. Look at Point guards usually not big in hobby and then BAM look at curry prices.

That said Im a huge KAT fan and he has huge potential based on his play and I think he starts the big man change because hes amazing to watch and never missed a game, but the guy with the most potential HOBBY WISE in my opinion is Embiid. His personality and that team...the sky is the limit for Embiid cards. I can imagine many people will be going crazy at what they sold for during injury times vs what they could sell for if hes healthy and that teams reaches just a bit of its potential. He is VERY popular.

[drobfan8]

Serious question.

What can a Chris Paul raw chrome refractor go to?
How about Dwyane Wade?
Dwight Howard?
Ben Gordon? Ok this one is a joke, but I do have one because I love what he did at the Bulls.

How about Melo?
Rose, K. Love?

Pierce, Vince and Dirk are through the roof.

I've recently picked up a T. Allen and a Bogut black just for fun. Love having these in the pc.

[ThoseBackPages]

Sure the main question here is about Rookie Year Refractors.

having said that, i find it very telling about the lack of interest in the other refractors these guys have, vs the mega-stars

2007 Melo TC Refractors are under $2
2007 Bron TC Refractors are over $70

[TheVolta]

Serious question.

What can a Chris Paul raw chrome refractor go to?
How about Dwyane Wade?
Dwight Howard?
Ben Gordon? Ok this one is a joke, but I do have one because I love what he did at the Bulls.

How about Melo?
Rose, K. Love?

Pierce, Vince and Dirk are through the roof.

I've recently picked up a T. Allen and a Bogut black just for fun. Love having these in the pc.

Gordon is a very curious case. Edit *The Curious Case of Benjamin Gordon*
He didn't win ROY but won 6th man his rookie season. That hasn't ever happened... before or since. I just cannot believe an award winners card won't see at least a small bump in the next few years when kids growing up with that Bulls team start to make real money and want a card of their hero as an adolescent.

[tjforce]

Sure the main question here is about Rookie Year Refractors.

having said that, i find it very telling about the lack of interest in the other refractors these guys have, vs the mega-stars

2007 Melo TC Refractors are under $2
2007 Bron TC Refractors are over $70

That's the way the market is.

Take a look at the disparity in 90's stuff between Jordan and guys like Barkley, Malone, D Robinson. Miles apart.

1993 Finest MJ Refractor: Sells for about $400. David Robinson: you can get for about $10.

Lebron is the MJ of this generation (as is most collectable) so it's no surprise that there is such a gap.

[ThoseBackPages]

That's the way the market is.

Take a look at the disparity in 90's stuff between Jordan and guys like Barkley, Malone, D Robinson. Miles apart.

1993 Finest MJ Refractor: Sells for about $400. David Robinson: you can get for about $10.

Lebron is the MJ of this generation (as is most collectable) so it's no surprise that there is such a gap.

absolutely. and i do not expect that to change.

Tim Duncan is the Derek Jeter of basketball as far as real life goes. Cards? Not even in the same ballpark, unfortunately

[richcowcow]

Maybe Klay Thompson is a good card to pick up. NBA champion and may get traded at some point.

[d2t]

Although I was only semi-serious that Simmons will be next chrome to blowup (I think he will still solid at his current value), I do think that Cauley-Stein / Labissiere will be good bets this coming season. Can't see Zach Randolph being too relevant especially post ASB

[Starman101]

The key rookie cards is what really drives Topps Chrome

If more and more collectors continue to seek them out, refractors will likely follow suit as well

I could see MJs Chrome refractors becoming very expensive down the road

There just are not many out there and there are a TON of MJ collectors out there

[morrison2951]

I agree. I think Chris Paul is a lock for HOF. Surprised his cards is not getting enough love. If he wins one championship in Houston, his cards will goes up fast.

Yep :)!