Brady Rookie steals

[king47sooners]

Elite /2000 and Elite Die Cut /500 at $250 and $400 are steals. Bowman Base Rookies could be $500 after a Super Bowl today and another one next year. If you have any Contenders, SP Authentic, SPx, Limited, anything and everything Bowman Chrome is going to skyrocket. Non sports cards collectors will have an interest in these forever much in the way they do Jordan rookies. Brady is the Jordan of this era.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Brady is up there with Ruth, Jordan, Mantle. He's great for the modern sports card hobby.

[Dnic]

Elite /2000 and Elite Die Cut /500 at $250 and $400 are steals. Bowman Base Rookies could be $500 after a Super Bowl today and another one next year. If you have any Contenders, SP Authentic, SPx, Limited, anything and everything Bowman Chrome is going to skyrocket. Non sports cards collectors will have an interest in these forever much in the way they do Jordan rookies. Brady is the Jordan of this era.

Jordan is basketball, Brady is football each the tops in their respective sports:)!

[MFaulkCollector]

Elite /2000 and Elite Die Cut /500 at $250 and $400 are steals. Bowman Base Rookies could be $500 after a Super Bowl today and another one next year. If you have any Contenders, SP Authentic, SPx, Limited, anything and everything Bowman Chrome is going to skyrocket. Non sports cards collectors will have an interest in these forever much in the way they do Jordan rookies. Brady is the Jordan of this era.

brady will never be the ultimate global icon that jordan has become..... jordan won 6 rings (basically in a row) in which a game 7 never happened. he dominated and nobody else was close or had a chance

every one of bradys sb wins was a potential one play game........ plus he has now lost 3.... and football is meaningless in probably 200 countries

brady will forever be the pinnacle of football collecting......... but the jordan brand will never be matched

[ninjacookies]

brady will never be the ultimate global icon that jordan has become..... jordan won 6 rings (basically in a row) in which a game 7 never happened. he dominated and nobody else was close or had a chance

every one of bradys sb wins was a potential one play game........ plus he has now lost 3.... and football is meaningless in probably 200 countries

brady will forever be the pinnacle of football collecting......... but the jordan brand will never be matched

Yeah, Jordan's influence went far beyond the court. He singlehandedly brought basketball to the global phenomenon it currently is and his brand will probably never be eclipsed. He basically made it possible for all these current athletes to sign these multi million dollar endorsement deals.

[TheFrenzy]

jordan won 6 rings (basically in a row) in which a game 7 never happened. he dominated and nobody else was close or had a chance

Across 8 Super Bowls:

Brady-led Patriots = 202 points
Patriots opponents = 198 points

If there is one thing Brady has NOT done in Super Bowls, it's dominate.

Heck, without a good kicker it's possible Brady goes 0-8 in Super Bowls.

[MFaulkCollector]

Yeah, Jordan's influence went far beyond the court. He singlehandedly brought basketball to the global phenomenon it currently is and his brand will probably never be eclipsed. He basically made it possible for all these current athletes to sign these multi million dollar endorsement deals.

yea..... i mean just his shoe empire is unbelievable.... jordan was the perfect storm really.... talent, timing, success...... something like that can never be replicated, even if they are a better player

[TheFrenzy]

Another aspect of Jordan is that he played before the internet and the 24/7 sports news cycle. There were fewer fans who hated him and less opportunities for his own "fans" (investors) to poison the well and make other fans hate him.

Overall, the 90s were a more innocent time.

[BirdLaw]

Heck, without a good kicker it's possible Brady goes 0-8 in Super Bowls.
Sure...if they missed literally every field goal and extra point in all 8 Super Bowls then maybe. And then still only maybe.

[TheFrenzy]

Sure...if they missed literally every field goal and extra point in all 8 Super Bowls then maybe. And then still only maybe.

Do you even know the margins of victory in each of the Pats’ Super Bowl wins????

For all of the Pats jokes being thrown around tonight, the assertion that poor kicking could have easily cost the Pats any one of their wins is absolutely factual.

[BirdLaw]

Do you even know the margins of victory in each of the Pats’ Super Bowl wins????

For all of the Pats jokes being thrown around tonight, the assertion that poor kicking could have easily cost the Pats any one of their wins is absolutely factual.

I do. I would love to know how a game where the Patriots won 28-24 and scored only touchdowns somehow turns into a loss, or a game when Vinatieri went 1-3 (missing two field goals under 40 yards) would have become a loss without a "good kicker". Or even the one where they won by 3 but Vinatieri just had a single 22 yard field goal.

[playsanity]

It's just not logical to compare a basketball player to football. Basketball is setup for 1-2 stars to run the show and have everything funnel through them. Football is dependant on everyone doing a good job regardless of position. Patriots lost because of defense and a guard blowing his block. Brady had an incredible game and should have been mvp regardless of outcome. What Brady & the Pats have done is substantially better than the Bulls run any day.

[Lothar52]

I’d agree with that. This should have been the one super bowl where Someone on the losing team got the MVP. Well... maybe.... if a RB would have fumbled and not him...

[Rabs]

Don't forget Brady's dropped pass. That's why he didn't win MVP!

[MFaulkCollector]

I’d agree with that. This should have been the one super bowl where Someone on the losing team got the MVP. Well... maybe.... if a RB would have fumbled and not him...

the losing qb on the favored team shouldn't win the mvp when they get the ball down 5 with 2 minutes and change left. whoever the blame may fall on, that turnover cost them the game. they hadn't been stopped in the entire second half, they weren't going to be stopped then unless it was by a fumble or interception

and before everyone blames the defense of new england or the coaching....... let's just call it what it is.... 33-38 brady with the ball 2 minutes and change left. it was in his hands at that point, however everything unfolded to get there was a moot point when he stepped under center with a golden opportunity to work his magic

[MFaulkCollector]

I do. I would love to know how a game where the Patriots won 28-24 and scored only touchdowns somehow turns into a loss, or a game when Vinatieri went 1-3 (missing two field goals under 40 yards) would have become a loss without a "good kicker". Or even the one where they won by 3 but Vinatieri just had a single 22 yard field goal.

i think it's just more of a principle dealing with how important kicking has been to the patriots in the playoffs..... the rams game was tied so ot was on the horizon if he missed...... but the kick in the snow against the raiders was probably the best kick ive ever seen......... kicking was huge in 01

and vinatieri and gostkowski are two of the greatest kickers in nfl history...... so playing with the confidence of knowing a 3 is pretty much automatic can certainly ease the pressure. but as always it is a team game...... so everyone helps each other

[BirdLaw]

i think it's just more of a principle dealing with how important kicking has been to the patriots in the playoffs..... the rams game was tied so ot was on the horizon if he missed...... but the kick in the snow against the raiders was probably the best kick ive ever seen......... kicking was huge in 01

and vinatieri and gostkowski are two of the greatest kickers in nfl history...... so playing with the confidence of knowing a 3 is pretty much automatic can certainly ease the pressure. but as always it is a team game...... so everyone helps each other

It only really speaks to how important kicking was in that first Super Bowl run. The second one was Vinatieri undoing the fact that he choked earlier in the game, the third relied on a single chip shot field goal, the fourth had no field goals at all and the fifth is arguable I guess but still just had two pretty routine kicks.

[ck6599]

Across 8 Super Bowls:

Brady-led Patriots = 202 points
Patriots opponents = 198 points

If there is one thing Brady has NOT done in Super Bowls, it's dominate.

Heck, without a good kicker it's possible Brady goes 0-8 in Super Bowls.

He also could be 8-0 if he had a defense that could make a play in any of those 3 losses.............bottom line is that he got 5, is the greatest, and just won MVP at age 40. He's not Jordan, but that's because it's basketball vs football. He threw for over 500 yards last night at age 40. People that don't like Brady are going to minimize the great things he has done, and Brady fans are going to try to maximize the things he has done. Clearly you are not a Brady fan, so basically your opinion of him doesn't matter in the big picture. I clearly am a fan, so the same goes for me.
To keep it to the point of this thread, Jordan's influence worldwide will always exceed Brady's, but that is because it is basketball vs football.......but in the hierarchy of their individual sports they are at the top.

[CaptainUgly]

He also could be 8-0 if he had a defense that could make a play in any of those 3 losses.............bottom line is that he got 5, is the greatest, and just won MVP at age 40. He's not Jordan, but that's because it's basketball vs football. He threw for over 500 yards last night at age 40. People that don't like Brady are going to minimize the great things he has done, and Brady fans are going to try to maximize the things he has done. Clearly you are not a Brady fan, so basically your opinion of him doesn't matter in the big picture. I clearly am a fan, so the same goes for me.
To keep it to the point of this thread, Jordan's influence worldwide will always exceed Brady's, but that is because it is basketball vs football.......but in the hierarchy of their individual sports they are at the top.

Actually...the OP never mentioned anything about Brady v. Jordan.

Well, he did...so I stand corrected!

[NickM]

Jordan has 1 rookie (Star doesn't count, because most people don't consider it a real company).
Brady has lots of rookies.
That makes a big difference in card values.

[callou2131]

I was talking with a friend with how lucky us 40 plus people are when it comes to sports. We got to see the careers of Montana, Rice, Brady, Sanders, Wayne gretzky, Patrick Roy, Mario lemiuex, Dominik Hasek, Mike Tyson, Jordan, LeBron, Bonds (even though he was juiced) etc.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Jordan has 1 rookie (Star doesn't count, because most people don't consider it a real company).
Brady has lots of rookies.
That makes a big difference in card values.

True, but there might be more of those Fleer Jordan's out there than all the Brady rookie cards combined.

[BirdLaw]

Jordan has 1 rookie (Star doesn't count, because most people don't consider it a real company).
Brady has lots of rookies.
That makes a big difference in card values.

Kinda sorta. There was also way more production for the single rookie cards a player would have back in the day, so it kind of balances out at least to some extent. Not sure what total rookie production would be for the two players.

[ninjacookies]

Jordan has 1 rookie (Star doesn't count, because most people don't consider it a real company).
Brady has lots of rookies.
That makes a big difference in card values.

Tough to compare due to the high production of cards back in the 80's and 90's.

However, it just speaks to how valuable a hypothetical numbered or auto'd insert Jordan rc would have been.


I'd say a more apt comparison would be Jordan's much rarer 84 star xrc. Which is quite expensive in 8.5 or 9 form. Only issue there is that it was released in sealed team bags and not randomly into packs.

[ninjacookies]

He's not Jordan, but that's because it's basketball vs football.

That's kind of the point of the argument, though. Neither the game of basketball or its collector landscape was globalized when he first came into the league. But it soon became that after his first 2-3 years in the league.

It's tough to compare Jordan to any other sports figure because his impact went so much further than a playing court/field. He was/is a cultural icon.

The closest thing I can compare Jordan's influence to was Michael Jackson during that same span. They were littering tv commercials, movie screens, music videos...you just couldn't get away from either.

Will probably never see another Jordan ever again, regardless of how good the player is or how many rings they attain.

[jasonm2121]

Brady had a kicker, how can anyone think he is actually good?

[bedler]

Across 8 Super Bowls:

Brady-led Patriots = 202 points
Patriots opponents = 198 points

If there is one thing Brady has NOT done in Super Bowls, it's dominate.

Heck, without a good kicker it's possible Brady goes 0-8 in Super Bowls.Exactly.... GOAT... Not a chance. The GOAT don't lose 3 SBs. Can't imagine the points a Rodgers/Brees/P. Manning led Patriots team puts up in those 8 SBs... Well over 300-350 pts.

Brady has played great and excelled when the other teams play that soft conservative D or when he has to rely on his kicker to win but take that away along with the bone head calls by Seattle and Atlanta (which my grandmother could've coached better) the Pats break the Bills record for losses in SBs by double and would never be mentioned as a dynasty.... You can add the fact that since brady has been there the AFC east has been the crappiest division in football leading to the Pats homefield advantage run.... If only every team had a division like that [emoji6]

It's time to get off Bradys sack folks [emoji16]

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[nepatsfan12dt]

Exactly.... GOAT... Not a chance. The GOAT don't lose 3 SBs. Can't imagine the points a Rodgers/Brees/P. Manning led Patriots team puts up in those 8 SBs... Well over 300-350 pts.

Brady has played great and excelled when the other teams play that soft conservative D or when he has to rely on his kicker to win but take that away along with the bone head calls by Seattle and Atlanta (which my grandmother could've coached better) the Pats break the Bills record for losses in SBs by double and would never be mentioned as a dynasty.... You can add the fact that since brady has been there the AFC east has been the crappiest division in football leading to the Pats homefield advantage run.... If only every team had a division like that [emoji6]

It's time to get off Bradys sack folks [emoji16]

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Except Rodgers, Brees, and Manning didn't get to those super bowls. You act like the opposing team in the super bowl is the worst team in the NFL. It's a championship game. Both teams are there because they played better than the rest of the NFL to get there.

[nepatsfan12dt]

Brady had a kicker, how can anyone think he is actually good?

You don't remember when they played the rams? It was a touch back and vinatieri kicked the 96 yard fg to win the game..cmon maaaaan.

[MFaulkCollector]

Except Rodgers, Brees, and Manning didn't get to those super bowls. You act like the opposing team in the super bowl is the worst team in the NFL. It's a championship game. Both teams are there because they played better than the rest of the NFL to get there.

they didn't get to the super bowl because the patriots were too busy cheating to get their wins.............. not to mention a patriots coaching staff that produced like 10 nfl head coaches over the years and the greatest front office in sports history

manning was his own offensive coordinator, he coached the offense......... mccarthy is about as useful as a bag of feces

i don't think ive seen you post much on here...... maybe your should reconsider writing down your bonehead statements, they are foolish :D

[MFaulkCollector]

You don't remember when they played the rams? It was a touch back and vinatieri kicked the 96 yard fg to win the game..cmon maaaaan.

moving the ball 40 yards or so on a prevent defense is hardly grounds for "he won that game"

the defense who shut down an all time great offense was the reason the patriots won that game

the kick was on a tied game.... so not as much pressure as being down 3........ but the kick against the radiers two weeks earlier was/is to this day the best kick i have ever seen

[nepatsfan12dt]

they didn't get to the super bowl because the patriots were too busy cheating to get their wins.............. not to mention a patriots coaching staff that produced like 10 nfl head coaches over the years and the greatest front office in sports history

manning was his own offensive coordinator, he coached the offense......... mccarthy is about as useful as a bag of feces

i don't think ive seen you post much on here...... maybe your should reconsider writing down your bonehead statements, they are foolish :D

They're just facts. Everyone plays the what if and this guy has this or has that. Point is if Brady had Jerry Rice, Rob Gronkowski, Randy Moss, and there was no defense on the field he could put up 800 yards in a game. It's very comical and a good laugh.

[MFaulkCollector]

They're just facts. Everyone plays the what if and this guy has this or has that. Point is if Brady had Jerry Rice, Rob Gronkowski, Randy Moss, and there was no defense on the field he could put up 800 yards in a game. It's very comical and a good laugh.

brady has had 3 first team all pro receving weapons who have spanned over 11 years of his 17 year career........ most people dont realize that

and yesterday there was no defense on the field..... no moss or rice though.... just 150 of gronk, amendola, hogan

[nepatsfan12dt]

moving the ball 40 yards or so on a prevent defense is hardly grounds for "he won that game"

the defense who shut down an all time great offense was the reason the patriots won that game

the kick was on a tied game.... so not as much pressure as being down 3........ but the kick against the radiers two weeks earlier was/is to this day the best kick i have ever seen

Moving the ball in the super bowl, being huge under dogs, first year starting...never said he won them the game. People said the kicker did. He didn't kick a 90+ yard fg.

[nepatsfan12dt]

brady has had 3 first team all pro receving weapons who have spanned over 11 years of his 17 year career........ most people dont realize that

and yesterday there was no defense on the field..... no moss or rice though.... just 150 of gronk, amendola, hogan

And that's his fault? I'd bet that he had a lot to do with their success too.

[MFaulkCollector]

And that's his fault? I'd bet that he had a lot to do with their success too.

go to bed troll........... it's past your bedtime

[nepatsfan12dt]

go to bed troll........... it's past your bedtime

Haha goodnight sweetie.

[TWard]

:coffee:

[majestik101]

And this is why I stay up late. The posts some people make late at night when they've had a long day or have been drinking, or whatever the case may be, are worth the price of admission.