Do you ever go back and look at some player stats...

[awz50]

And see how awesome they where/are.

I loved Kenny Lofton but never realized how good he was till now and keeping on the Indians theme how good Grady Sizemore was before injury.

[VandyCards]

And see how awesome they where/are.

I loved Kenny Lofton but never realized how good he was till now and keeping on the Indians theme how good Grady Sizemore was before injury.

I do this with Barry Bonds sometimes, as well as DiMaggio, Lincecum, Albert Belle, tons of guys.

During law school, my buddy and me would watch a game, split a sixer, and look at guys on Baseball Reference trying to find all the guys we didn't appreciate enough.

[awz50]

I do this with Barry Bonds sometimes, as well as DiMaggio, Lincecum, Albert Belle, tons of guys.

During law school, my buddy and me would watch a game, split a sixer, and look at guys on Baseball Reference trying to find all the guys we didn't appreciate enough.

Bonds was a monster roids or not.

Same with belle. His rbi totals are insane

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Ted Williams...BEASTLY.

I look at his 24,25 and 26 year lines and think about what his final numbers would have been if it wasn't for Adolf.

[Peties Army]

Bonds was a monster roids or not.

Same with belle. His rbi totals are insane

Belle was amazing. I often look at his stats and wonder why he retired so young.

Then I realize about the time he roughly got out and you can take a guess why

[awz50]

Belle was amazing. I often look at his stats and wonder why he retired so young.

Then I realize about the time he roughly got out and you can take a guess why

He also had a bum hip

[awz50]

Ted Williams...BEASTLY.

I look at his 24,25 and 26 year lines and think about what his final numbers would have been if it wasn't for Adolf.

Or the Korean war

[Astrodome]

Ed Yost's walk totals. Very weird in context.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Or the Korean war

Yup that war too lol.

[saraceno21]

Barry Bonds stats were so good some years it was laughable. Same with Wayne Gretzky of you can appreciate what he did in hockey.

[bwalter1]

And see how awesome they where/are.

I loved Kenny Lofton but never realized how good he was till now and keeping on the Indians theme how good Grady Sizemore was before injury.

To go with your Indians theme, Travis Hafner. For about a 4 year run he was pretty good just injuries got to him. I remember being a lot younger digging through a quarter box at a show and finding one of his Topps Chrome RCs. This was mid 2000s so it should not have been in the box. My first "steal" that I can remember and I still have the card in my Indians box.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Barry Bonds stats were so good some years it was laughable. Same with Wayne Gretzky of you can appreciate what he did in hockey.

and Bobby Orr as a defenseman. The numbers he put up on D is mind boggling.

[Astrodome]

And of course (I've mentioned him elsewhere) the king of 'weird' pitchers, Wilbur Wood. 3 years leading in games as reliever, 4 years with 300 innings, and a freak injury that messed him up for good just when he was getting off to a great start for the year.

[no10pin]

Ed Yost's walk totals. Very weird in context.

That's a good one, a career .254 hitter who is in the Top 100 all time for OBP.

[texmcpherson]

Tony Gwynn. I knew he was good, but his stats are amazing. Just look at career strikeouts

[coltsnsox07]

Ted Williams at age 22 .406 avg. 27 KO 143 games.
Joe Dimaggio at age 22 .346 avg. 37 KO 151 games
Mike Trout at age 22 .287 avg. 184 KO 157 games.

[awz50]

This guy was an odd one for sure Zeke Bonura

Guy was awesome then fell off a freaking cliff

[awz50]

Tony Gwynn. I knew he was good, but his stats are amazing. Just look at career strikeouts

His eye was amazing. Dude was a master of the strikezone

[awz50]

Double post

[JustinVerlander07]

Do this all the time. I'll do it with players I thought were good that actually sucked. (Craig Monroe, I still don't know why I thought he was awesome)

[tkraft24]

Do this all the time. I'll do it with players I thought were good that actually sucked. (Craig Monroe, I still don't know why I thought he was awesome)

Yeah, Cory Snyder comes to mind for me in this context. I was pretty young in the late 80’s be he was the man in town. Funny to look at his career 0.7 WAR.

[EldoEsq]

Check out Sammy Sosa... Pretty friggin insane...

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[KhalDrogo]

Bonds never should have used. He could have set the all-time HR record without them. I wonder how time will ultimately treat his legacy.

[LCM1223]

The margin at which Vince Coleman lead the league in steals from 1985 to 1987

[BeastMode27]

Who is the only player in MLB history to put up the line of .320/115/35/120/40 ?

Total statline was .324/115/39/126/40

[SirTommyWinAlot]

I forgot julio franco led the league with a .341 avg in 92. He had a pretty good career. Willie McGee also had a good career. Eddie Murray was steady and underrated.

What about Mark Langston? His strikeout totals in the first part of his career is pretty damn impressive.

[Archangel1775]

Gwynn and Puckett, Gonzalez,Belle,Vlad....

[SirTommyWinAlot]

let's not forget mo vaughn. He was David Ortiz before David Ortiz was doing his magic.

[no10pin]

Bill Madlock had 4 batting titles, everyone else with 4 or more is a HOFer (except Miguel Cabrera).

And no, I'm not pushing for Madlock to make the HOF, just someone I remember as a kid because of that.

[tkraft24]

Who is the only player in MLB history to put up the line of .320/115/35/120/40 ?

Total statline was .324/115/39/126/40

My first thought was Soriano but he never hit for that good of average. Second thought was Vlad but he was light on runs/rbi’s.

[callou2131]

Bobby Bonilla had some insane seasons as well

[dhendrix1303]

Pujols. Incredible.

[88horsepower]

I forgot julio franco led the league with a .341 avg in 92. He had a pretty good career. Willie McGee also had a good career. Eddie Murray was steady and underrated.

What about Mark Langston? His strikeout totals in the first part of his career is pretty damn impressive.

Mark Langston was a tremendous strikeout pitcher during the first half of his career. Another guy who had a really nice career and gets almost no love is David Cone. Talk about a really nice stat line during the roid era, he was quite impressive. 2,700 strikeouts, two 20-win seasons, a Cy Young Award and kept his ERA in the mid-3's.

[theflushingmets]

Danny Tartabull.

[BeastMode27]

My first thought was Soriano but he never hit for that good of average. Second thought was Vlad but he was light on runs/rbi’s.

The rest of the team was miserable with the two next highest OPS that season .789 and .755. Making that even more incredible. Only player to do that and did not win MVP. It was in the last 10 years.

[BGT Masters]

Belle was amazing. I often look at his stats and wonder why he retired so young.

Then I realize about the time he roughly got out and you can take a guess why

He was forced to retire because he had degenerative hip and was forced to retire.

[tkraft24]

The rest of the team was miserable with the two next highest OPS that season .789 and .755. Making that even more incredible. Only player to do that and did not win MVP. It was in the last 10 years.

Stupid Ryan Braun!

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Mark Langston was a tremendous strikeout pitcher during the first half of his career. Another guy who had a really nice career and gets almost no love is David Cone. Talk about a really nice stat line during the roid era, he was quite impressive. 2,700 strikeouts, two 20-win seasons, a Cy Young Award and kept his ERA in the mid-3's.

Yeah David Cone was fun to watch. I enjoy him in the booth too. How about Dave Stewart? 4 straight seasons with 20 wins, monster innings eater. Lots of complete games. He was kind of like Bob Gibson with that look, that stare. Can't forget how good he was.

[BeastMode27]

My first thought was Soriano but he never hit for that good of average. Second thought was Vlad but he was light on runs/rbi’s.

Stupid Ryan Braun!

Yep he stole the MVP from Kemp and that once in history season, and then had the failed PED test. What a joke.

[88horsepower]

Yeah David Cone was fun to watch. I enjoy him in the booth too. How about Dave Stewart? 4 straight seasons with 20 wins, monster innings eater. Lots of complete games. He was kind of like Bob Gibson with that look, that stare. Can't forget how good he was.

Absolutely! Growing up here in the Bay Area, I saw quite a bit of Dave Stewart and you're right about that glare he gave hitters from the mound. Very intimidating. He had such an odd career, too. Nothing on the bookends worth noting, but the middle of his career was ridiculous.

[Hollywood42]

2013 Miguel Cabrera

We all still remember Miggy being a god, but seriously, go look at that year

[caflisch78]

Who is the only player in MLB history to put up the line of .320/115/35/120/40 ?

Total statline was .324/115/39/126/40

That's Vlad or Soriano. One went 40/39 and the other 39/40.

[REGGIE206]

I was just looking at Steve Carlton & Jim Palmer’s stats and they’re absolutely incredible.. :eek:

[BeastMode27]

That's Vlad or Soriano. One went 40/39 and the other 39/40.

It's Matt Kemp. They didn't have that high of avg or counting stats. He's the only one to put that line up. I looked up every 35/40 season.

[EricTownsend88]

Albert Belle was the first one that popped into my mind but he's been mentioned a few times. Here are some others:

- Todd Helton
- Larry Walker
- Kenny Lofton
- Luis Gonzalez
- Carlos Delgado
- Derrek Lee
- John Olerud
- Lance Berkman

[EricTownsend88]

You guys want some one hit wonders to guess during this snow day? (for us folks on the east coast anyway)

Player A: .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
Player B: .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
Player C: .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
Player D: .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Players are from the early 2000's.

[Seahawks fan]

[QUOTE=EricTownsend88;13353514]Albert Belle was the first one that popped into my mind but he's been mentioned a few times. Here are some others:

saw the thread title and came to see if Belle had been mentioned.. Dude was a monster.. even in his fading years he was hitting over 100 Rbis he even had a BA of 357 one season.


Richie Sexson when he was in Milwaukee... one of the many 300 home run hitters no one talks about.

[flagshipchromecollector]

Check out career WAR of Bobby Grich. 😳

[carlo16]

let's not forget mo vaughn. He was David Ortiz before David Ortiz was doing his magic.

While they are amazing, steroids are not magic. Give the scientists their due.

[RollTribe]

You guys want some one hit wonders to guess during this snow day? (for us folks on the east coast anyway)

Player A: .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
Player B: .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
Player C: .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
Player D: .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Players are from the early 2000's.

A Darin Erstad
B Ellis Burks
C Dante Bichette
D Vinny Castilla

???

[rockem]

Edgar Martinez in 1995 was the first player I remember as a kid thinking, wow this guy is really good. Larry Walker was the next.

[mainerunr]

Ted Williams...BEASTLY.

I look at his 24,25 and 26 year lines and think about what his final numbers would have been if it wasn't for Adolf.

He lost most of his 33 & 34 yo seasons due to Korea as well...

Figure he lost 4.5 years (closer to 4.75 but w/e).

Probably could have finished around 674 HR, 3464 H, 2673 BB and 2379 RBI. (added 4.5x 36HR, 145BB, 180H and 120RBI to his totals). Would have put him in 1st for BB, RBI and R instead of 4th, 15th and 19th in those categories. 4th in hits instead of 76th and 5th in HR instead of 20th.

Probably would have added about 52 WAR as well (the seasons around those he missed he was 9.9+ WAR each so added 10 for those 3 and around 52-53 he was 7+ so added 12 total those 2 years. That would still leave him second to Babe Ruth with ~175 WAR. (His oWAR would have been 1st by far).

[tkraft24]

Not a great one by any means but remember Tony Batista? He was hitting 25+ bombs with a 240 avg before it was cool!

[IronMonkey415]

Yea I'm looking back at Evan Longoria stats to see if he is the key the Giants have been looking for.

[EricTownsend88]

A Darin Erstad
B Ellis Burks
C Dante Bichette
D Vinny Castilla

???

A is correct!!

[buck724]

Lincecum, Koufax especially...Sandy was a beast. I like looking at Griffey's and wondering what could have been, had he stayed healthy.

[Gatorsmld]

Tony Gwynn. I knew he was good, but his stats are amazing. Just look at career strikeouts

This. I know he played for some bad SD teams but this guy was a hitting machine and I always felt he didn't get the love he deserved.

[Cubsfanp]

Larry Walker had some killer seasons..

for that matter go look at numerous Rockies players; Burks, Castilla, Bichette. They are the 2000's equivalent to Arenado.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

I took the greatness of wade boggs for granted. One of the great hitters of all time.

[klute14]

Greg Maddux won 355 games in his career.

He only had 2 20 win seasons.

[flagshipchromecollector]

Greg Maddux won 355 games in his career.

He only had 2 20 win seasons.


He faced 20,421 batters during his career and only 330 saw a 3-0 count. 177 of those were intentional walks. Some dispute the exact numbers but they are generally regarded as pretty close.

[3AND4]

How has no one mentioned Lou Gehrig?

Look at those numbers and remember he played 154 game seasons & was done at age 35.

Some of the sickest numbers ever.

[3AND4]

Greg Maddux won 355 games in his career.

He only had 2 20 win seasons.


How many wins did he lose playing in the relief pitcher era?

Played in a 5 man rotation era.

He still had a slim outside chance if he hung around at 400 wins.

Slim outside chance of a number that only 2 men ever reached. Reached when guys pitched 40-50 starts a year & finished games so had complete control of the Wins & Losses.

Maddux = Underrated

[88horsepower]

How many wins did he lose playing in the relief pitcher era?

Played in a 5 man rotation era.

He still had a slim outside chance if he hung around at 400 wins.

Slim outside chance of a number that only 2 men ever reached. Reached when guys pitched 40-50 starts a year & finished games so had complete control of the Wins & Losses.

Maddux = Underrated

I couldn’t agree more.

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[Ray27Ray52]

There can't really be anyone in this world that thinks Greg Maddux isn't a top 5 pitcher of all time right?

What he did in the Steroid Era is unparalleled. The only pitchers who could even come close, in that era, would be Randy and Pedro.

[unclemonkey]

Maddux punking Kris Bryant as a camera man throwing BP?

Still had it at age 50

[mainerunr]

He faced 20,421 batters during his career and only 330 saw a 3-0 count. 177 of those were intentional walks. Some dispute the exact numbers but they are generally regarded as pretty close.

How has no one mentioned Lou Gehrig?

Look at those numbers and remember he played 154 game seasons & was done at age 35.

Some of the sickest numbers ever.

Funny that these two ended up here. The coach that works with my son in the offseason has mentioned the Maddux stat multiple times.

And at practice yesterday my son's varsity coach mentioned that if you miss practice for any reason those who are there will be getting better and want to take your job. My son muttered 'Wally Pipp' quietly and the coach heard him and said 'exactly...who here knows who Wally Pipp was?' The only one who knew was my son.

Also, back on topic. Wade Boggs. The chicken man was a machine. I think a lot of Sox fans discount him because he went to the Yankees and I don't think Yankees fans realize just how good he was with the Sox.

[teosdesserts]

Hack Wilson is a fun one

[mfisher27]

He only broke the record by 7 HR's :confused:

Bonds never should have used. He could have set the all-time HR record without them. I wonder how time will ultimately treat his legacy.

[VeedonFleece]

He only broke the record by 7 HR's :confused:

It would have been a lot more than 7 had he not been effectively blackballed from playing. Probably would've got to 800. Of course, it's debatable whether he would have still been playing but for PEDs.

[L35guy]

Delgado is one that blows my mind. Some of the numbers he put up are insane and he was consistent, yet didn't get enough HOF votes to stay on the ballot past year 1. Is he a HOF? Probably not, but the guy still should've been getting enough love to stay on the ballot and be in the discussion. 432 HR, 1500+ RBIs, and 3 40HR/130RBI seasons is damn impressive.

[SDcardguy24]

Pujols. Incredible.

I looked up his stats a few weeks ago just to remind myself how good prime Pujols was.

[Ray27Ray52]

I looked up his stats a few weeks ago just to remind myself how good prime Pujols was.

Some of us are "old" enough to remember that what Mike Trout is doing right now, Pujols already did. Without question the best 10 year start to a career in major league history. It's a cautionary tale that the ravages of time and age catch up with us all.

Edited to add- Pujols should reach 3000 hits by early May. Possibly late April if he gets off to a good start.

[flagshipchromecollector]

Also, back on topic. Wade Boggs. The chicken man was a machine. I think a lot of Sox fans discount him because he went to the Yankees and I don't think Yankees fans realize just how good he was with the Sox.

Wade Boggs once slammed 64 beers on a cross-country flight. Look it up.

[Neo]

Wade Boggs once slammed 64 beers on a cross-country flight. Look it up.

RIP, Wade.

- Charlie

[no10pin]

RIP, Wade.

- Charlie

https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f7f8fc415430b11e2851dfb74553e7b/tumblr_ni8cs1fEio1qglx18o6_r1_250.gif

[Neo]

https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f7f8fc415430b11e2851dfb74553e7b/tumblr_ni8cs1fEio1qglx18o6_r1_250.gif

I got all numbers.

Seriously though - Boggs had a great career.

[mainerunr]

Nomar. Back around 2000, even Jeter and A-Rod knew Nomah was better than them...

The problem was he was made of glass...

[jrosales]

I've always been amazed by Joe Sewell's strikeout total (114 times in his career).

[spuds1961]

Ron Guidry comes to mind for a great 3 year span.

[jmscoggin]

Bonds never should have used.

Agreed.

He could have set the all-time HR record without them.

Not a chance.

I wonder how time will ultimately treat his legacy.

As one hell of a baseball player but also ... a cheater.

[calculusdork]

I heart this thread.

Tony Gwynn. He hit .333 in 480 AB, with 23 Ks, against pitchers who are currently in the HOF. 14 of his 23 Ks came against Nolan Ryan (9) and Randy Johnson (5).

In 129 ABs vs Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez, he hit .388. With ZERO STRIKEOUTS.

[bankdawg]

Here's another insane fact about Gwynn, 10 out of his 15 FULL seasons he had more doubles than strikeouts. That is crazy for a modern player. In comparison, god's gift to baseball Aaron Judge had 24 doubles and 208 strikeouts last year.

[Neo]

I heart this thread.

Tony Gwynn. He hit .333 in 480 AB, with 23 Ks, against pitchers who are currently in the HOF. 14 of his 23 Ks came against Nolan Ryan (9) and Randy Johnson (5).

In 129 ABs vs Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez, he hit .388. With ZERO STRIKEOUTS.

Wow. Those are some crazy numbers.

Dayum.

[GoTribe!!!]

You guys want some one hit wonders to guess during this snow day? (for us folks on the east coast anyway)

Player A: .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
Player B: .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
Player C: .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
Player D: .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Players are from the early 2000's.

B. Juan Gonzalez 2001 Indians ?

[Stifle]

2013 Miguel Cabrera

We all still remember Miggy being a god, but seriously, go look at that year

What was so amazing that season was his CLUTCH hitting. He put up situational stats that no other player this century may never touch. His 2 out W/RISP which has been historically the toughest situation for success 61 AB, 28 H, 9 HR, 47 RBI, 22 BB, 9 SO, .459/.612/.934/1.546 ! His OPS+ was 348 ! Yes a WHOPPING 348 in 2out W/ RISP ! Before he injured himself, Miggy was on a mission for roughly 175 RBI's.
He won the triple crown twice that season in having won the BA, OBP, SLG & OPS while also having the highest OPS for qualified hitters in MLB for situational stats : Runners on Base, RISP & RISP W/2 outs. His high Leverage situations OPS+ was 230.
Cabrera was so dominant in the first half of this decade in the MLB for qualified hitters from 2010-2015 in OPS for Situational stats : Runners on Base 3 times he came in first and didn't finish below 15 ! RISP he had a 1st, 2nd and 7th. RISP W/2 outs twice finished First a 3rd and a 7th.
This could be the capper, from 2011-2013 in 2 out W/RISP :
AB 187, H 78, HR 20, RBI 112, .417/.553/.770/1.323 OPS+ 280.

[88horsepower]

Delgado is one that blows my mind. Some of the numbers he put up are insane and he was consistent, yet didn't get enough HOF votes to stay on the ballot past year 1. Is he a HOF? Probably not, but the guy still should've been getting enough love to stay on the ballot and be in the discussion. 432 HR, 1500+ RBIs, and 3 40HR/130RBI seasons is damn impressive.

He had an OPS of at least .900 for nine consecutive years. Let that sink in for a bit. That’s ridiculous. He actually had 473 HR’s, too. I have no clue why a person with zero suspicion of PED use and numbers so awesome didn’t last past one ballot. It’s stupid. Plain and simple. The guy deserved far better than that. Meanwhile, there are far less superior players in Cooperstown.

[no10pin]

I heart this thread.

Tony Gwynn. He hit .333 in 480 AB, with 23 Ks, against pitchers who are currently in the HOF. 14 of his 23 Ks came against Nolan Ryan (9) and Randy Johnson (5).

In 129 ABs vs Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez, he hit .388. With ZERO STRIKEOUTS.

Yeah, Gwynn had some crazy numbers against the best pitchers in the game. He hit .381 against Atlanta's Big 3, and despite playing 20 years, no pitcher has double digit Ks on him.

[corndog]

Steve Carlton won the Cy Young Award in 1972 while playing for the awful Phillies. The Phillies record that year was 59 - 97 and Carlton was 27 - 10 with a 1.97 ERA and 310 strikeouts. He accounted for 46% of the teams wins which is a modern day record.

[EricTownsend88]

B. Juan Gonzalez 2001 Indians ?

right year - wrong player. The Indians played against this players team in the playoffs that year.

[jstasyk1121]

You guys want some one hit wonders to guess during this snow day? (for us folks on the east coast anyway)

Player A: .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
Player B: .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
Player C: .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
Player D: .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Players are from the early 2000's.

randomly one name popped into my head...and i think it could be right...not sure...

D. Richard Hildalgo??

now im gonna go look and see if its right...

[jstasyk1121]

You guys want some one hit wonders to guess during this snow day? (for us folks on the east coast anyway)

Player A: .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
Player B: .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
Player C: .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
Player D: .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Players are from the early 2000's.

B. Miguel Tejada??

feel like he had that one year where he was monster with the huge RBI total

[37Jetson]

And see how awesome they where/are.

I loved Kenny Lofton but never realized how good he was till now and keeping on the Indians theme how good Grady Sizemore was before injury.

I have a suspicion that Grady Sizemore was roid induced performance.

Kenny Lofton is definitely underrated.

[EricTownsend88]

randomly one name popped into my head...and i think it could be right...not sure...

D. Richard Hildalgo??

now im gonna go look and see if its right...

Hidalgo is correct! he had an eye popping year in 2000. Him and Erstad have been guessed correctly....Tejada isn't B but the other two are middle infielders

[Orange October]

I was looking back at some stats the other day and saw a few that stood out to me.

In 1974, Mike Marshall threw 208.1 IP as a relief pitcher! Zero starts made. Also had a 141 ERA+ for that season and won the NL Cy Young.

[no10pin]

Dan Quisenberry was the king of putting the ball in play. In 1043 innings over 12 years, he only walked 162 and struck out 379. He had 4 WPs in his career, and only 7 hit batters (including 2 in back to back games).

He finished Top 5 in the Cy Young voting 5 times, including 2 2nd place and 2 3rd place finishes. He was Top 10 in the MVP voting 4 times, plus an 11th place finish, but dropped off the HOF voting after the first ballot.

[Bassman2014]

You guys want some one hit wonders to guess during this snow day? (for us folks on the east coast anyway)

Player A: .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
Player B: .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
Player C: .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
Player D: .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Players are from the early 2000's.

B. Looks like Bret Boone with his monster year with the Mariners.

[Boo]

In over 500 PA, Rusty Kuntz only hit 5 homers.

[BostonNut]

The Splendid Splinter.

I firmly believe his numbers would be untouchable had he not served our country during his prime years.

[Bassman2014]

You guys want some one hit wonders to guess during this snow day? (for us folks on the east coast anyway)

Player A: .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
Player B: .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
Player C: .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
Player D: .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Players are from the early 2000's.

C. Rich Aurilia ?

[Boo]

The Splendid Splinter.

I firmly believe his numbers would be untouchable had he not served our country during his prime years.

Judgeheads believe that A-aron would have hit 80 homers last year if he had not hurt himself in the HR Derby. The world will never know.

[mainerunr]

The Splendid Splinter.

I firmly believe his numbers would be untouchable had he not served our country during his prime years.

I disagree. I've looked at the numbers and even filling in with numbers similar to the years surrounding his two stints in the service, I think he would have fallen short of 700HR. I do think he would have been top 5 in a few more categories (hits, runs, rbi, HR, BB) though.

[Orange October]

Even though it wasn't too long ago, I was reading some articles about Zach Britton's 2016 season. He finished with a 0.57 ERA, RA/9 of 0.98, and an ERA+ of 803. At least the first two are single season records for pitchers with 60+ IP. He also averaged 9.56 ground balls for every fly ball.

[flagshipchromecollector]

Craig Kimbrel/Aroldis Chapman/Kenley Jansen's greatness in numbers. We are witnessing three of the most dominant (arguably the three most dominant) relief pitchers of all-time. The below numbers are for relievers with at least 400 IP.

Kimbrel xFIP = 2.04. Kenley Jansen is #2 at 2.21. Chapman 3rd at 2.27. For perspective, Mariano Rivera comes in at #9 with a 2.99 xFIP.

K/9 - Chapman #1 at 14.85. Kimbrel #2 at 14.77. Jansen is #3 at 13.98.

K% - 1, 2 and 3 are Kimbrel (42%), Chapman (41.4%) and Jansen (40.1%).

Left on Base % - Kimbrel #1 all-time at 84.3%! Jansen #3 at 83.8%. Chapman #12 at 80.4%.

WHIP - Jansen is #2 all-time at 0.87 and Kimbrel #3 at 0.91. Koji Uehara (who knew?) is #1 at 0.83. Chapman is #8.

K/BB% - Jansen, Kimbrel and Chapman are 1-3.

Batting Avg Against - Kimbrel, Chapman and Jansen are 1-3.

ERA- - Kimbrel is 54! points below the league average, which ties him at #1 with Mariano Rivera. Chapman is #4 and Jansen #5. Kimbrel, Jansen and Chapman similarly dominate xFIP- at 1, 2 and 3 respectively.

While nobody serious really looks at ERA any more, Kimbrel is #1 all-time at 1.80. Next closest is Mariano Rivera at 2.06. Jansen is 3rd at 2.08 and Chapman 4th at 2.21.

[Gatorsmld]

Here's another insane fact about Gwynn, 10 out of his 15 FULL seasons he had more doubles than strikeouts. That is crazy for a modern player. In comparison, god's gift to baseball Aaron Judge had 24 doubles and 208 strikeouts last year.

I'm unable to find it but I have seen a video in the past with Gwynn and he was asked why he hit so well against Maddux. His reply was that he knew that everything Maddux would throw would be a strike so he didn't have to worry about going outside of his (Gwynn's) strikezone. This is not verbatim of course!:)!

[Chicosbailbonds]

A couple of early 70's pitchers who had great starts to their careers - Vida Blue and Frank Tanana.

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It's amazing how much the game has changed since the late 2000's. In 2010 the number of relievers used was twice as much as in 2008. Situational hitting is much tougher this decade than the previous and going back to the 40's and 50's it's a entirely different game. Today's hitters would love to go back in time.
Pitchers are not rubber armed by going every 3rd or 4th day after throwing 150+ pitches. They are stronger throughout the year.
Some players have the misfortune of playing in a ball park with monster dimensions - Stanton and especially Cabrera who has to deal with cold weather hurting the length of flight. They probably have the most 400 foot outs in baseball.

[no10pin]

It's amazing how much the game has changed since the late 2000's. In 2010 the number of relievers used was twice as much as in 2008. Situational hitting is much tougher this decade than the previous and going back to the 40's and 50's it's a entirely different game. Today's hitters would love to go back in time.


That doesn't sound quite right. Obviously relief pitching has become a much bigger part of the game, but I seriously doubt it changed that much in 2 years.

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That doesn't sound quite right. Obviously relief pitching has become a much bigger part of the game, but I seriously doubt it changed that much in 2 years.

Amazingly baseball had changed that much. The number of pitching changes by utilizing pitchers for one batter has become the norm today. I can remember when nearly every team had x number of position players and x number of pitchers. Since 2008 nearly every team now has 2 less position players and more situational pitchers. Teams are searching for utility players who can play a abundance of positions to carry more pitchers.
That is why many baseball people want to create rules to help the offense in situational opportunities. I realize that the balls are juiced but the batter has to make contact first and with the number of strikeouts increasing at dramatic rates. The game may be seeing relievers forced to pitch to more than 1 batter or have to create a out before another change can be made.
No10pin There is data to support the increase, I'll try to find it tomorrow.

[calculusdork]

Craig Kimbrel/Aroldis Chapman/Kenley Jansen's greatness in numbers. We are witnessing three of the most dominant (arguably the three most dominant) relief pitchers of all-time. The below numbers are for relievers with at least 400 IP.

Kimbrel xFIP = 2.04. Kenley Jansen is #2 at 2.21. Chapman 3rd at 2.27. For perspective, Mariano Rivera comes in at #9 with a 2.99 xFIP.

K/9 - Chapman #1 at 14.85. Kimbrel #2 at 14.77. Jansen is #3 at 13.98.

K% - 1, 2 and 3 are Kimbrel (42%), Chapman (41.4%) and Jansen (40.1%).

Left on Base % - Kimbrel #1 all-time at 84.3%! Jansen #3 at 83.8%. Chapman #12 at 80.4%.

WHIP - Jansen is #2 all-time at 0.87 and Kimbrel #3 at 0.91. Koji Uehara (who knew?) is #1 at 0.83. Chapman is #8.

K/BB% - Jansen, Kimbrel and Chapman are 1-3.

Batting Avg Against - Kimbrel, Chapman and Jansen are 1-3.

ERA- - Kimbrel is 54! points below the league average, which ties him at #1 with Mariano Rivera. Chapman is #4 and Jansen #5. Kimbrel, Jansen and Chapman similarly dominate xFIP- at 1, 2 and 3 respectively.

While nobody serious really looks at ERA any more, Kimbrel is #1 all-time at 1.80. Next closest is Mariano Rivera at 2.06. Jansen is 3rd at 2.08 and Chapman 4th at 2.21.

Dude, thank you for this. Incredible stuff.

[Jmort23]

Denny McClain’s 1968 Tiger Season

[no10pin]

Amazingly baseball had changed that much. The number of pitching changes by utilizing pitchers for one batter has become the norm today. I can remember when nearly every team had x number of position players and x number of pitchers. Since 2008 nearly every team now has 2 less position players and more situational pitchers. Teams are searching for utility players who can play a abundance of positions to carry more pitchers.
That is why many baseball people want to create rules to help the offense in situational opportunities. I realize that the balls are juiced but the batter has to make contact first and with the number of strikeouts increasing at dramatic rates. The game may be seeing relievers forced to pitch to more than 1 batter or have to create a out before another change can be made.
No10pin There is data to support the increase, I'll try to find it tomorrow.

I'm not sure how you are measuring, but if you are talking total relief appearances, it actually dropped from 2008 to 2010.

The total number of appearances is the GR column. In 2008 it was 14,156, in 2010 it was 13,924. You have to go back quite a bit farther to get that big of a discrepancy.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2008-reliever-pitching.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2010-reliever-pitching.shtml

[Brian48]

Clemens. I think I have over a 1000 different cards. Didn't hate him because of the steroids, but rather when he went for the money and became a Yankee for the second time.

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I'm not sure how you are measuring, but if you are talking total relief appearances, it actually dropped from 2008 to 2010.

The total number of appearances is the GR column. In 2008 it was 14,156, in 2010 it was 13,924. You have to go back quite a bit farther to get that big of a discrepancy.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2008-reliever-pitching.shtml

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2010-reliever-
pitching.shtml

You are correct. After checking charts it was the OPS+ chart from 97 to 2011 that had the historically highest jump ever in effectiveness from starters to relievers. In 97 Fangraphs shows the chart at roughly a 2% difference as to 2011 it was at it highest percentage of effectiveness ever, roughly a 10% difference in effectiveness. The 3 largest percentages in effectiveness "Fangraph chart is from 64-2014" was 2011-2013. During this period was the toughest situational hitting ever.

How Miguel Cabrera performed during 2011-2013 in situational hitting is monumental. Thank you No10pin for making me uncover what is even more of a accomplishment for what could be a historical feat of Clutch hitting.

[EricTownsend88]

C. Rich Aurilia ?

yessir!!! you guessed the last two correctly (Boone was also right) congrats!!!

[EricTownsend88]

These have all been guessed correctly now:

'00 Darin Erstad .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
'01 Brett Boone .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
'01 Rich Aurilla .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
'00 Richard Hidalgo .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

[IgnatiusJReilly]

1994 Frank Thomas

In 113 games (damn strike), 38 HR, 101 RBI, .353. Led league in runs, walks, OBP, SLG, OPS (obviously), and struck out 61 timed (109 walks). I loved Griffey in those days but big Frank’s stats are insane.


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These have all been guessed correctly now:

'00 Darin Erstad .355/.409/.541 25 HR, 28 SB
'01 Brett Boone .331/.372/.578 37 HR, 141 RBI
'01 Rich Aurilla .324/.369/.572 37 HR, 114 R
'00 Richard Hidalgo .314/.391/.636 44 HR, 122 RBI, 118 R

Those are some significant seasons for players who were averaging much less success. Some notable comparisons in the 60's : 1961 Norm Cash and Jim Gentile had OPS+ of 201 & 187. A 52 and 42 point increase over their second best season. Rico Petrocelli 1969 had a 45 point OPS+ difference from this season to his second best ever.
Gentile .302/.423/.646/1.069. 46 HR 141 RBI
Cash .361/.487/.661/1.148. 41 HR 132 RBI leader in BA/OBP/OPS/Hits/IBB/times on base
Petrocelli .297/.403/.589/.992. 40 HR 97 RBI 98 BB 68 SO

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[QUOTE=IgnatiusJReilly;13362596]1994 Frank Thomas

In 113 games (damn strike), 38 HR, 101 RBI, .353. Led league in runs, walks, OBP, SLG, OPS (obviously), and struck out 61 timed (109 walks). I loved Griffey in those days but big Frank’s stats are insane.

Double Post

Thought the world of Frank Thomas and would be in awe of his hitting prowess.

113 games into 2013 season. 38 HR. 115 RBI .359 BA 1.130 OPS. then injury where he played on one leg for rest of season. Miguel Cabrera after 123 games was 43 HR 130 RBI .359 BA 1.137 OPS and then literally needed a walker to play. His last 25 games were performed needing surgery. He performs through pain but it wasn't the same Cabrera.

[hatchd]

I came here to post Frank Thomas but someone already did that (although I'd look at the first 7-8 years of his career and not just 94). Instead I'll throw out Ray Lankfords 96 and 97 seasons. Not the best in history, but I suspect very few people ever knew he was that good of a player.

[3AND4]

Nick Markakis at age 34 (Wont turn 35 till nov) has 2056 Career hits!

That one was a shocker for me.

Not impossible to 1 day be talking about Nick Markakis in the 3000 hit club.