Chrome centering

[Brian W]

Just curious on the centering...Is this bad for chrome?

[coltsfan23]

My guess is BGS would give that an 8.5 or 9 centering.

[Brian W]

My guess is BGS would give that an 8.5 or 9 centering.

Thank you...you can tell it's off to the left...I am asking because I saw a gem mint graded...that looked off worse than this.

[cking]

Well BGS gave 9.5 centering to these 3 cards....so you have that going for you

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/y6q4xng6x450.png (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/y6q4xng6/n-a)

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/i4jlzj88x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/i4jlzj88/n-a)

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/u7d16258x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/u7d16258/n-a)

If these are 9.5 centering...yours should be a 16 or so

[Brian W]

Well BGS gave 9.5 centering to these 3 cards....so you have that going for you

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/y6q4xng6x450.png (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/y6q4xng6/n-a)

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/i4jlzj88x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/i4jlzj88/n-a)

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/u7d16258x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/u7d16258/n-a)

If these are 9.5 centering...yours should be a 16 or so
Wow that is crazy...I saw something similar..thought it was my eyes playing tricks on me...guess you never know what to expect....lol

[cking]

Wow that is crazy...I saw something similar..thought it was my eyes playing tricks on me...guess you never know what to expect....lol

The funniest part is you can show people these cards and some people will still say the cards are truly gem mint.....because Beckett says so.

I cant make this stuff up.

Some people swear by and trust this company to the end of the earth. They will defend them to the death.

Its like they dont believe you even though you are showing them actual physical proof. Look at the cards above, theres your proof that BGS is clueless.

It cant be anymore crystal clear then that. A jury would take less then 10 minutes to come back with a guilty verdict if any crime they were deciding on had physical proof this strong.

[TWard]

The funniest part is you can show people these cards and some people will still say the cards are truly gem mint.....because Beckett says so.

I cant make this stuff up.

Some people swear by and trust this company to the end of the earth. They will defend them to the death.

Its like they dont believe you even though you are showing them actual physical proof. Look at the cards above, theres your proof that BGS is clueless.

It cant be anymore crystal clear then that. A jury would take less then 10 minutes to come back with a guilty verdict if any crime they were deciding on had physical proof this strong.


You talking bad about BGS?????

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180322/80fd1c124b7f31ae919482be6e57757b.gif

[cking]

You talking bad about BGS?????

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180322/80fd1c124b7f31ae919482be6e57757b.gif

No. The cards I posted above do the talking all by themselves.

[sethc1020]

Thank you...you can tell it's off to the left...I am asking because I saw a gem mint graded...that looked off worse than this.
To me right to left doesn't look too bad but top to bottom is off. Then again judging by the cards above who knows!?

[cking]

To me right to left doesn't look too bad but top to bottom is off. Then again judging by the cards above who knows!?

I said he would get a 16.....thinking more like 18 now

[Brian W]

That Aaron Rodgers card is so obvious...I guess the guy grading it graded it for a relative...lol

[Onepocketj]

PSA does the same thing. Just have to accept that people make mistakes

[cking]

PSA does the same thing. Just have to accept that people make mistakes

My hate for grading is not exclusive to BGS.

I hate PSA as well.

Centering is something that should never be an opinion. It can literally be checked with a multitude of diffrent tools used for measuring things.

Its either centered or its not. There is no in between when you can actually measure both sides. The number on the ruler is either the same on both sides or its not. The ruler dont lie. Someones opinion should not matter when you have the data that the ruler gave you right in front of you.

[cking]

Wow.....I mean just flat out wow is literally all I can come up with


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1187186

[cking]

Found another ridiculous BGS centering grade. I posted it in the Odell thread as well.



https://sportscardalbum.com/c/22e0j799x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/22e0j799/n-a)

[Bassplayah101]

The funniest part is you can show people these cards and some people will still say the cards are truly gem mint.....because Beckett says so.

I cant make this stuff up.

Some people swear by and trust this company to the end of the earth. They will defend them to the death.

Its like they dont believe you even though you are showing them actual physical proof. Look at the cards above, theres your proof that BGS is clueless.

It cant be anymore crystal clear then that. A jury would take less then 10 minutes to come back with a guilty verdict if any crime they were deciding on had physical proof this strong.


Not trying to argue with you, nor am I attempting to stick up for Beckett, but how do you know that the centering of the examples are just within becketts tolerances?
Those could be a 16th or a 32th of an inch within their actual tolerances.

Or they could have hosed those particular examples. :)

[Bassplayah101]

Wow.....I mean just flat out wow is literally all I can come up with


https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1187186


lol, this one is just funny. How in the world can a card with a physical surface scratch that resembles a pubic hair possibly be gem mint.

This was was hosed..
Perhaps grades like this are a result of their current backup due to a lack of graders and we are now seeing their QA suffer because of all the cards you people send in. :)

[socal805]

Found another ridiculous BGS centering grade. I posted it in the Odell thread as well.



https://sportscardalbum.com/c/22e0j799x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/22e0j799/n-a)Ridiculous??? Smh....Find me some PSA and post them. Getting kind of bored with your anti-BGS antics.

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[dfr52]

Ridiculous??? Smh....Find me some PSA and post them. Getting kind of bored with your anti-BGS antics.

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My hate for grading is not exclusive to BGS.

I hate PSA as well.

Centering is something that should never be an opinion. It can literally be checked with a multitude of diffrent tools used for measuring things.

Its either centered or its not. There is no in between when you can actually measure both sides. The number on the ruler is either the same on both sides or its not. The ruler dont lie. Someones opinion should not matter when you have the data that the ruler gave you right in front of you.

I am a PSA collector and they can be generous with centering as well. It is important to remember that 60/40 is still within range for Gem Mint for all the third party graders.

[SleeperCards]

I think I owned that Mack, those Sepia are so nice looking.

[majestik101]

I think I owned that Mack, those Sepia are so nice looking.

You should've kept it. They grade extremely well too!

[Siberian13]

Ridiculous??? Smh....Find me some PSA and post them. Getting kind of bored with your anti-BGS antics.

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It doesn't really matter. If BGS and PSA both do it then grading is a joke. People saying they are backed up and too busy to get the grades correct, is kind of sad. They both want repeat customers to make more money so it's understandable. I know no one is perfect but that's exactly what their job is supposed to be, right? :)

[Siberian13]

You should've kept it. They grade extremely well too!

Maybe I should start grading all my cards. If I do a large bulk order, they will probably give me a ton of sweet grades in hopes I do it again. I have a Derek Carr Topps Chrome Refractor Auto /150 with a surface scratch like the gold Odell that got a sweet grade. I'll send in a copy of the entire thread on the Odell with that Carr and demand a good grade. :)!

[majestik101]

Maybe I should start grading all my cards. If I do a large bulk order, they will probably give me a ton of sweet grades in hopes I do it again. I have a Derek Carr Topps Chrome Refractor Auto /150 with a surface scratch like the gold Odell that got a sweet grade. I'll send in a copy of the entire thread on the Odell with that Carr and demand a good grade. :)!


Sounds good. Keep us posted

Wait a minute... Did you steal them???

[Siberian13]

Sounds good. Keep us posted

How many do you send in at once to get a solid discount?

[Siberian13]

Wait a minute... Did you steal them???

I already sold them to my local card shop. Not my problem anymore :)!

[majestik101]

How many do you send in at once to get a solid discount?

50-75. Also do the non guaranteed service to save a few bucks

[Siberian13]

50-75. Also do the non guaranteed service to save a few bucks

That's the service that takes 1 to 3 years right?

[majestik101]

That's the service that takes 1 to 3 years right?

yea, so Carr will be on his fourth team by the time you get them back. Think of the possibilities

[Siberian13]

yea, so Carr will be on his fourth team by the time you get them back. Think of the possibilities

Yeah I'll stick with raw dogging it then

[socal805]

yea, so Carr will be on his fourth team by the time you get them back. Think of the possibilitiesBlasphemy Blasphemy!!!

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[cking]

Ridiculous??? Smh....Find me some PSA and post them. Getting kind of bored with your anti-BGS antics.

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I will be posting BS grades every time I see them so the ignore feature may be your best bet.

[TheFrenzy]

I don't even know what centered means anymore...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5CMAAOSwZ~hbC2j8/s-l1600.jpg

[Siberian13]

https://i.imgflip.com/mgowk.jpg

[TheFrenzy]

FWIW: I opened the Bell scan in Photoshop.

The top border measures 28 pixels.

The bottom border measures 46 pixels.

In other words, the bottom border is thicker by more than a third.

[Siberian13]

FWIW: I opened the Bell scan in Photoshop.

The top border measures 28 pixels.

The bottom border measures 46 pixels.

In other words, the bottom border is thicker by more than a third.

Is it a Refractor or just the base? Seems they should list Refractor if that’s the case.

[Rabs]

Is it a Refractor or just the base? Seems they should list Refractor if that’s the case.

They did...

Ball in right hand - REF

[Siberian13]

They did...

Ball in right hand - REF

My bad, feels like it should just say refractor instead of all that.

[cking]

I don't even know what centered means anymore...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5CMAAOSwZ~hbC2j8/s-l1600.jpg

LOL-Over and over and over again.

And people will still argue how grading is the way to go.

Brainwashed sheep.

I cant wait for the grading gurus to appear with the usual "People make mistakes, people are human"

[RogerGodahell]

That one looks 60/40 top to bottom to me or very close to it. Im not sure how PSA averages their subgrades to get a final score. I know they don't list them but they must have a formula they use to determine the overall grade.

[Bassplayah101]

Hah, get outta my head.
Literally thought I was the only person that did this. Never told a soul, it was my dirty secret.

P.s. computer nerd.FWIW: I opened the Bell scan in Photoshop.

The top border measures 28 pixels.

The bottom border measures 46 pixels.

In other words, the bottom border is thicker by more than a third.

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[cking]

That one looks 60/40 top to bottom to me or very close to it. Im not sure how PSA averages their subgrades to get a final score. I know they don't list them but they must have a formula they use to determine the overall grade.

If you think that top to bottom centering is 60/40 you need a trip to the eye doctor..like for real

That is way off top to bottom

[rawkstar2k]

Just measured it and it is exactly 60/40, maybe 59/41 top to bottom.

If you think that top to bottom centering is 60/40 you need a trip to the eye doctor..like for real

That is way off top to bottom

[cking]

Just measured it and it is exactly 60/40, maybe 59/41 top to bottom.

That card is not gem mint. The card is off center. Period. There is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.

The top to bottom on this Ertz looks diffrent from the Bell............or is it my imagination?

Yet they have the same grade. That is inconsistent,at best.

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/p6g3qgosx450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/p6g3qgos/n-a)

[rawkstar2k]

I wouldn't purchase that card thinking it is a true gem mint card, but I'm just saying that it is 60/40 from top to bottom. I know PSA has different guidelines with centering than BGS does, so technically it does fall within their guidelines on the bell, but I would not buy it paying a premium.

That card is not gem mint. The card is off center. Period. There is nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.

The top to bottom on this Ertz looks diffrent from the Bell............or is it my imagination?

Yet they have the same grade. That is inconsistent,at best.

[RogerGodahell]

I wouldn't purchase that card thinking it is a true gem mint card, but I'm just saying that it is 60/40 from top to bottom. I know PSA has different guidelines with centering than BGS does, so technically it does fall within their guidelines on the bell, but I would not buy it paying a premium.

Yep that’s what I’m saying as well. 60/40 falls within their tolerance of gem mint.

[RogerGodahell]

If you think that top to bottom centering is 60/40 you need a trip to the eye doctor..like for real

That is way off top to bottom

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1729/27670332037_6805a61a7a_b.jpg





https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1756/27670329957_21cc5aa232_b.jpg



30 pixels on the top
45 pixels on the bottom

30+45=75

45÷75=.6
30÷75=.4
60/40

My eyesight must be pretty good :)

[Bassplayah101]

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1729/27670332037_6805a61a7a_b.jpg





https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1756/27670329957_21cc5aa232_b.jpg



30 pixels on the top
45 pixels on the bottom

30+45=75

45÷75=.6
30÷75=.4
60/40

My eyesight must be pretty good :)Damn.. 2 guys.


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[cking]

If the measurements are not the same, the card is not centered, period.

The centering is totally diffrent on the Ertz yet they have the same grade? Thats what I am not understanding. Put those side by side and look at the diffrence.

If you can look at that Bell and still say its centered then I dont not know what to say to you. That card is not centered. I dont care what you or PSA say.

[burke23]

If the measurements are not the same, the card is not centered, period.

The centering is totally diffrent on the Ertz yet they have the same grade? Thats what I am not understanding. Put those side by side and look at the diffrence.

If you can look at that Bell and still say its centered then I dont not know what to say to you. That card is not centered. I dont care what you or PSA say.

You act as if these are the rules versus the exceptions. Yes - both companies screw up, hence the 'buy the card, not the grade'. BUT to me that is still better than buying something strictly at the seller's word. If you only want to gamble on a random seller's word, by all means be my guest.

[RogerGodahell]

Im not trying to argue with you. Im just showing you that the card is 60/40 and it still meets their criteria of gem mint as long as the rest of the card is gem mint. I completely understand people not wanting to grade cards. I like certain aspects of both grading companies and am not biased towards either of them. What grading does for me personally is provide comfort and peace of mind buying over the internet since there isn't a card shop within 75 miles from me. I buy all of my cards online and never get to hold them in my hand and look them over before hand. So when it has a certain grade that's reassuring to me, or more much more so than if it wasn't graded. I can see the centering, its the other things i can't see very well with a picture.

[JHH]

Well BGS gave 9.5 centering to these 3 cards....so you have that going for you

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/y6q4xng6x450.png (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/y6q4xng6/n-a)

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/i4jlzj88x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/i4jlzj88/n-a)

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/u7d16258x450.jpg (https://sportscardalbum.com/card/u7d16258/n-a)

If these are 9.5 centering...yours should be a 16 or so


Wow that score is.....just wow:flex:

[TheFrenzy]

Hah, get outta my head.
Literally thought I was the only person that did this. Never told a soul, it was my dirty secret.

P.s. computer nerd.

Let me guess, you (like me) are in the minority of collectors who believe that grading cards can absolutely be done by a computer with microscopic precision and consistency if either of the grading companies wanted to devote just a bit of time and money to developing the system.

Of course, if they let the machines measure borders, analyze corners, scan surfaces, and verify ink then they couldn't grant special treatment to high-profile customers.