Flawless checklist is out

[NickM]

http://www.paniniamerica.net/dspFullChecklistbyID.cfm?prod=657
GBC will have a team and player breakdown shortly.

[Siberian13]

So 35,602 total cards / 10 = 3,560.2 boxes or 1,780.1 cases. Not sure why there isn't an even number of cards divided by 10. But my match may be off

[Siberian13]

2017 Panini Flawless NFL Football Cards delivers (6) Autographed Cards, (2) Gem Cards and (2) Memorabilia Cards in Every Box! 2017 Flawless NFL Football is LOADED with NEW CONTENT! In addition, ALL cards are #’d to 25 or less, ALL Autographs are signed ON-CARD (or Cut Signatures) and 2017 Flawless will feature MORE Patch Autographs than ever before!

[NickM]

Good luck to anyone trying to complete the base Flawless Patches set this year. Ray Lewis is #d to 2.

[jasonm2121]

Wow, no auto Brady? Or am I searching wrong? Do not think he had any in NT too, save me some money at least.

[Hawksmack]

So 35,602 total cards / 10 = 3,560.2 boxes or 1,780.1 cases. Not sure why there isn't an even number of cards divided by 10. But my match may be off

1780 cases. I wonder how many Blackrose will break.

[craigjdudley]

Wow, no auto Brady? Or am I searching wrong? Do not think he had any in NT too, save me some money at least.


Not even a Brady patch this year.

[dacaptain37]

Wow, no auto Brady? Or am I searching wrong? Do not think he had any in NT too, save me some money at least.

His on card autos are drying up fast... it's why i'm very hesitant to get rid of my 4 color flawless patch auto unless I get the price I want...

although it doesn't compare to your profile pic :cool::eek:

[jasonm2121]

Not even a Brady patch this year.

I have not seen 1 card from 2017 that I have wanted at all. Have not bought or bid on one single card. Designs are pretty weak. Always like Flawless, surprised.

[NYGiants72]

I have not seen 1 card from 2017 that I have wanted at all. Have not bought or bid on one single card. Designs are pretty weak. Always like Flawless, surprised.

For me Flawless is always a great card to pick up secondary market cards of vets for cheap when box breaking is at its height. Everyone goes in for the rookies, and its great to nab a few of the mid-tier HOF or notable retired guys with not a lot of cards on the cheap. Targeting Dawkins and Alstott based on my read of this year's list.

[dcarado]

I'm really not a fan of Panini rewards points, but it's even more ridiculous that they put past year's cards in a high-end product like Flawless and call them "updates" instead of actually using them in their rewards points system. Just my opinion.

[cking]

Not even a Brady patch this year.

Walmart run out of Brady knockoffs?

[NickM]

Not even a Brady patch this year.

He's on a triple patch card with Gronk and Edelman.

[craigjdudley]

He's on a triple patch card with Gronk and Edelman.

Ah you’re right. I overlooked that somehow. Now I remember seeing the 1/1 variation.

[craigjdudley]

I have not seen 1 card from 2017 that I have wanted at all. Have not bought or bid on one single card. Designs are pretty weak. Always like Flawless, surprised.

I agree and my wallet thanks me. 2016 wasn’t very good either, I believe immaculate had a few autos low #’d (I had rings /4 but regrettably sold).

2015 has to be Brady’s best year for patches and autos and not sure if it’ll be matched again.

[ssbledsoe]

Great. Bledsoe has a bunch of the stupid faux gem parallels :mad::mad::mad:

[jasonm2121]

I agree and my wallet thanks me. 2016 wasn’t very good either, I believe immaculate had a few autos low #’d (I had rings /4 but regrettably sold).

2015 has to be Brady’s best year for patches and autos and not sure if it’ll be matched again.

Pretty much, most designs have been pretty bad. I got most of the ones I wanted and am all set with any non RC or early on card auto (02,04). Still waiting for a NT redemption from 2015.

[jasonm2121]

Walmart run out of Brady knockoffs?

no idea what this means, sure?

[PrimeTimeScott]

Why is there a Brock Osweiler card in this set? I'm sometimes amazed at who they choose to include when each team gets three or four base cards (not than anyone probably cares about the base cards, just thought it was the worst choice they could make for one of the three Broncos base cards).

[deltapi1049]

Sad, no Adam Thielen on card. Thought there might be a chance.

[sethc1020]

1780 cases. I wonder how many Blackrose will break.
Does anyone know who Blackrose actually is? I've seen this guy on Ebay for Years and he has some really nice stuff but list everything at ridiculous prices. I've always wondered how in the world he sells anything.

[Tarheelsfan2012]

:eek: Panini finally got one :eek:

Sean Taylor Flawless Cuts

[Siberian13]

:eek: Panini finally got one :eek:

Sean Taylor Flawless Cuts

Only one correct? 1/1?

Wonder how much that would sell for.

[ck6599]

Wow, no auto Brady? Or am I searching wrong? Do not think he had any in NT too, save me some money at least.

Not even a Brady patch this year.

There's 1 Brady auto /1, and a couple patches

[Tarheelsfan2012]

Only one correct? 1/1?

Wonder how much that would sell for.

No certified autos so 1K+ will not surprise me.

[craigjdudley]

Pretty much, most designs have been pretty bad. I got most of the ones I wanted and am all set with any non RC or early on card auto (02,04). Still waiting for a NT redemption from 2015.


Damn, I thought they fulfilled all those already? I've been trying to pick up a NT Colossal but they're hard to come by.

[jasonm2121]

His on card autos are drying up fast... it's why i'm very hesitant to get rid of my 4 color flawless patch auto unless I get the price I want...

although it doesn't compare to your profile pic :cool::eek:

Thanks. It is my overall Brady Auto Patch, ever.

[craigjdudley]

Thanks. It is my overall Brady Auto Patch, ever.

I'm still dying to see your entire Brady PC online. It's gotta be one of the best :)

[jasonm2121]

I'm still dying to see your entire Brady PC online. It's gotta be one of the best :)

I need to do that at some point, been super lazy about it. I like it but there are nicer ones here for sure. Happy to have what I have but mostly done I think.

[jasonm2121]

Damn, I thought they fulfilled all those already? I've been trying to pick up a NT Colossal but they're hard to come by.

No, they did one of them (link below) that they fulfilled quickly but there is still one that never did, not even sure what it is.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/National-Treasures-On-Card-Autograph-Jersey-Patriots-Tom-Brady-05-15-2015/222895439243?hash=item33e59a7d8b:g:ReIAAOSw0UdXtOzl

[DalliLlama11]

Am i see it right that Matt Ryans only has 2 autos and both are only 1/1s?

[jasonm2121]

There is an /10 that has not been signed yet.

[craigjdudley]

No, they did one of them (link below) that they fulfilled quickly but there is still one that never did, not even sure what it is.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/National-Treasures-On-Card-Autograph-Jersey-Patriots-Tom-Brady-05-15-2015/222895439243?hash=item33e59a7d8b:g:ReIAAOSw0UdXtOzl


Ah, Yeah I have one of those. Beautiful card... you must be waiting on one of these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Andrew-Luck-2015-National-Treasures-Signatures-Auto-Autograph-SSP-7-25-Colts/142712827192?hash=item213a58ed38:g:vIwAAOSwRS9Xf83g

Are you able to get a replacement Brady auto or going to hold out for this one. Strange that he didn't sign everything from that set together. :confused:

[LALeakers]

lolol at the vet cards in this not even game worn anymore.

[chrisfaceoff]

lolol at the vet cards in this not even game worn anymore.

I don't really follow Flawless, because its way too rich for my blood, btu if this is true then honestly why do people buy this? While it sucks, I totally understand player worn in lesser products, but if you are delivering a product at this price point, encasing cards with diamonds" and putting it in a briefcase you better be putting all game used stuff in there.

[NickM]

lolol at the vet cards in this not even game worn anymore.

Which vets in this are not game-used? I know last year most of the 2014 and 2015 rookie classes used player-worn (primarily leftover rookie premiere) stuff.
I would be very unhappy if they start using non-game memorabilia for older players.

[pazerbaijan]

Which vets in this are not game-used? I know last year most of the 2014 and 2015 rookie classes used player-worn (primarily leftover rookie premiere) stuff.
I would be very unhappy if they start using non-game memorabilia for older players.

Give me about 10 minutes and I'll have my preliminary list posted in a new thread. Prepare to be unhappy.

[LALeakers]

Which vets in this are not game-used? I know last year most of the 2014 and 2015 rookie classes used player-worn (primarily leftover rookie premiere) stuff.
I would be very unhappy if they start using non-game memorabilia for older players.


Ha, don't be so naive....Panini loves when people are. :)!

[LALeakers]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Panini-FLAWLESS-Football-AUTO-STAR-SWATCH-SIGNATURE-RUSSELL-WILSON-SP-1-5/352322270002?hash=item52080b3332:g:lW0AAOSwQqdaxQx7


https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Panini-FLAWLESS-Football-AUTO-JERSEY-PATCH-SHORT-PRINT-EDGERRIN-JAMES-13-15/372268775717?hash=item56acf2b925:g:faEAAOSwMEBaxP0O

[jasonm2121]

Ah, Yeah I have one of those. Beautiful card... you must be waiting on one of these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Andrew-Luck-2015-National-Treasures-Signatures-Auto-Autograph-SSP-7-25-Colts/142712827192?hash=item213a58ed38:g:vIwAAOSwRS9Xf83g

Are you able to get a replacement Brady auto or going to hold out for this one. Strange that he didn't sign everything from that set together. :confused:

That must be it. I called and they said he has not signed them yet. Yea, it does not make sense that they were not signed with the others, who knows how long it will be. Really want it, especially after getting hosed on the Topps Expos 5 Star that never was.

[cking]

If they put player worn stuff for vets in a $1500 a box product, they should be abolished from the business.

I still dont get the whole Andrew Luck player worn stuff?????

They have full game used jerseys of his for sale on thier website so they cannot claim they cant get any?

WTF is that?

If that is not a slap in the face to collectors then I dont know what is. WOW. That is a terrible thing to do.

That is flat out insulting.

[Ferg1945]

:eek: Panini finally got one :eek:

Sean Taylor Flawless Cuts

Only one correct? 1/1?

Wonder how much that would sell for.

Open your wallets......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Panini-Flawless-Football-1-1-Sean-Taylor-Autograph-Card/152972035003?hash=item239dd803bb:g:ZeMAAOSw6jNaxYtm

[MeteoriteGuy]

Very happy to see Gonzalez get a couple different cards. He was in National Treasures also. Kind of cool to see Gonzo cards again after several years with no new ones.

[kookoox10]

I think I'm a bigger fan of the NT RPAs than the Flawless type. I've seen enough breaks so far to know it's can be a bloodbath. Probably less than 5% of the entire run will get your money back on a case.

[Siberian13]

Open your wallets......

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Panini-Flawless-Football-1-1-Sean-Taylor-Autograph-Card/152972035003?hash=item239dd803bb:g:ZeMAAOSw6jNaxYtm

That looks like crap. What the hell is that thing?

[jasonm2121]

That looks like crap. What the hell is that thing?

Looks like they cut an already signed card from his rookie year and stuck it in. Looks awful but will get some serious money regardless.

[craigjdudley]

That looks like crap. What the hell is that thing?

A card within a card? lmao... and how can they guarantee that thing is actually signed by him? Where did they find it...

[Eckstein197]

Alstott in this is going to make my wallet cry.

But glad he has new cards coming out

[Ferg1945]

That looks like crap. What the hell is that thing?

Looks like they cut an already signed card from his rookie year and stuck it in. Looks awful but will get some serious money regardless.

A card within a card? lmao... and how can they guarantee that thing is actually signed by him? Where did they find it...


And the sad thing... they had plenty of room to trim the bottom and keep his name and team logo in the window... but they trimmed off the top edge of his auto. :doh:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZeMAAOSw6jNaxYtm/s-l1600.jpg

[jasonm2121]

And the sad thing... they had plenty of room to trim the bottom and keep his name and team logo in the window... but they trimmed off the top edge of his auto. :doh:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZeMAAOSw6jNaxYtm/s-l1600.jpg

Reminds me of those Leaf cuts from 5 or 10 years ago

[FBallHobbies]

Sean Taylor is at $4500. Chances it gets relisted?

[cking]

A card within a card? lmao... and how can they guarantee that thing is actually signed by him? Where did they find it...

Panini...LOL. Hackler probably signed it.

[LALeakers]

Seller has 1 feedback....seems fair.