2001 Topps Chrome Drew Brees /999 has gone nuclear

[rexvos]

Has anyone seen the trend on this? Raws hitting over a grand, PSA 9s 2500. That is a 10x jump in less than 2 years. Disclaimer I have one, I am a Saints fan and I collect QB rcs, but this even has me considering selling. I already have a buyer with a strong offer. I know he is about to hold every career passing mark and he did the impossible (win a Super Bowl in New Orleans). I am just shocked at the jump and wonder if it will spike then fall back down

[GatorPie]

Those are ridiculous prices that can't be sustained.

[Siberian13]

Sell it during the pump and buy it back during the dump :)

[edisto]

Those are ridiculous prices that can't be sustained.

Have to agree.

[RAV2773]

Buyers group

[twisty571]

Sexy Rexy is still around! How's it going man? Wish I had 1, probably flip for a Brady! But all I have is his Score SP RC :(

[packerfan4200]

Makes me regret selling a very clean, nicely centered copy for the standard (at the time ) $150 a few years back. I believe it was 070/999

[Lothar52]

i picked up a nicely centered BGS 9 last year for 650 I think... whats BGS bringing down?

[DaaaaBears]

Lol lets see how many maroons fall for this bs :doh:

[rexvos]

i picked up a nicely centered BGS 9 last year for 650 I think... whats BGS bringing down?

Probably close to the 2500 psa is. Yeah Twist I am still around. Just don’t post much. My SPA PSA 9 Brady (his key card for PSA Registries)goes in the 7k range
It is /1250. Brees is /999. This price might last. There are not many graded mint or better. 106 9s 6 10s

[rexvos]

Lol lets see how many maroons fall for this bs :doh:

I have seen the market manipulated before. This could be it, or the new normal. It is his best key card like the SP Authentic Brady which had 1/4 larger population. In a PSA 9 it is between 7-8k. Yes I know it is Brady and Brees is not Brady but still. The Brees card has major centering and scratch issues being an early chrome refractor release. So it could be a sustainable price for the card. I honestly do not know. I want to keep the card in my collection because he is my favorite player, but I feel like I almost have to sell at this price.

[dfr52]

The price seems on par with Brees accomplishments and its limited availability.

[rexvos]

The price seems on par with Brees accomplishments and its limited availability.

I think the reaction is due to that people have seen manipulation before. As well as this is not what they collect. The modern FB collector usually has no clue about the registry and huge prices on key RCs that fill holes in Registry sets. Most are more concerned with their player/team collections and chasing autos / patches and wondering why their collections never gain significant value. Like my extensive Tim Rattay collection. I love it but I will never recoup 1/50 th of the money I spent on it

[RogerGodahell]

"The Brady effect"

[mcgahee21nfl]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=229350

You guys are all getting duped right and left for years.

[rexvos]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=229350

You guys are all getting duped right and left for years.

So is what you are saying is that these few people are behind every card spike? Trout? Brady? Betts? Now with Brees? Because it is every 2001 issue jumping. Like i said I am not saying it isn’t manipulation. I am just wondering if you are saying every major spike is.

[mcgahee21nfl]

So is what you are saying is that these few people are behind every card spike? Trout? Brady? Betts? Now with Brees? Because it is every 2001 issue jumping. Like i said I am not saying it isn’t manipulation. I am just wondering if you are saying every major spike is.

Yes, all of those to some degree. Brady & Trout a lot more-so than Betts. Betts not so much, but you must remember that 1 market will effect another market. You pump 1 PMG the rest of the prices fluctuate with it.

And no its not a few people. Its a lot of people.

[MFaulkCollector]

2001 Topps Chrome is the most limited chrome release in history for RC’s. You have 999 base (which feature a refractor front) and 100 Black which are the true “refractors” if you go by strict definition. Brees is a player who has a super bowl, has a sb mvp, has the best few conpleyion percentage seasons in history, will have possibly 78k yards or more, 500-550 td passes... and he was a first team all pro in the prime of manning and Brady.

It’s a perfect storm for a card to grossly appreciate, and quickly. Brees is a very unique case. With Brees we have seen both gross market correction (for being significantly undervalued for years) and new hype/investment buying almost simultaneously. It’s a combo unseen by any player in the modern history (except possibly Larry Fitzgerald but to a much lesser extent)

So although prices may be getting a bit crazy it’s very unlikely prices will plummet or fall off very much. Market correction has fixed his value and he is now among potentially the top 8-20 qbs in history depending on who you ask.

His top notch rc autos like dynagon, ex, elite... they are extremely limited in production and they are on card. Good luck to those waiting for prices to drop on them too. As prices seen turn from surprise to the norm; many of these will be sitting in collections and won’t be available much 2,3,4 years from now

Add in Brees is a good guy, good for his community, contributes to charities..... I can only see his collecting base getting larger. I personally know for a fact that many high end dealers who reserved their football table space to only high end Rodgers and Brady have included Brees as well.

[rexvos]

I read most of your other post. I have sold many high end cards on eBay and other places and maybe had 5 NPB in 20 years. I think individuals you pointed out were doing bad stuff for sure but I do not think it is as far reaching as you claim

[Archangel1775]

In a passing league geared toward longevity for quarterbacks, whatever passing records he is going to break, although nice, dont hold the same weight as older quarterbacks. Dont get me wrong, I like Brees but this is a case of FOMO.

[rexvos]

In a passing league geared toward longevity for quarterbacks, whatever passing records he is going to break, although nice, dont hold the same weight as older quarterbacks. Dont get me wrong, I like Brees but this is a case of FOMO.

I do not think many will match Brees longevity and production. I bet he holds them for the rest of my lifetime. I agree with your premise however. Yards for the most part are meaningless.

[mcgahee21nfl]

I read most of your other post. I have sold many high end cards on eBay and other places and maybe had 5 NPB in 20 years. I think individuals you pointed out were doing bad stuff for sure but I do not think it is as far reaching as you claim

Has absolutely nothing to do with NPBs. I don't think you understand this at all. I know you want to believe one thing. You can continue to believe it.

There are enough individuals who own a lot of a particular card and have vested interest in the card going up. It is very easy to do. You don't need to ruin auctions.

[rexvos]

Has absolutely nothing to do with NPBs. I don't think you understand this at all. I know you want to believe one thing. You can continue to believe it.

There are enough individuals who own a lot of a particular card and have vested interest in the card going up. It is very easy to do. You don't need to ruin auctions.

Well that’s what I read in your post. I did not read the entire thread. I agree that market manipulation exists. I am just not sure if this is it.

[Archangel1775]

Market manipulation is easy:

The 1990 Fleer Jose Uribe has gone up immensely in price. It was a .02 common. It's gone up to the point that they routinely sell for $5 or more and uneducated people/jokesters are sending them in for grading......

[MFaulkCollector]

I do not think many will match Brees longevity and production. I bet he holds them for the rest of my lifetime. I agree with your premise however. Yards for the most part are meaningless.

I could see a guy like Stafford getting 70k plus yards, most all of which could be meaningless...... I would be shocked if any qb post 2005 rc year ever sniffs 500 td passes.

To think brees could call it a career in two years with 75k plus yards and 525 td passes is amazing..... Brady, manning, and Brees will likely never be matched in that statistical top tier

[mcgahee21nfl]

Well that’s what I read in your post. I did not read the entire thread. I agree that market manipulation exists. I am just not sure if this is it.

Sorry but then you're incredibly naive. Go have your buddy list your Brees and BIN it for $3000.00. You might get someone to make a post like you are now saying they are now worth $3000.00. Someone else who is watching might want to make some easy money when he sees one put up for sale at $2500.00. Or maybe he wants to invest @ $3000.00.

Its just too easy to do. You never even notice. If it makes sense, buy. But its just too funny how people don't want a card at all until they see it moving. Thats just how people operate. Usually when its moving, its nothing more than manipulation, with buyer rationalization going bazurk. FOMO for sure.

Great card. Just was never worth this money and wouldn't have gotten here naturally.

[rexvos]

Has absolutely nothing to do with NPBs. I don't think you understand this at all. I know you want to believe one thing. You can continue to believe it.

There are enough individuals who own a lot of a particular card and have vested interest in the card going up. It is very easy to do. You don't need to ruin auctions.

I think we are talking about two different ends of the hobby anyway. I don’t deal I’m the patch auto newer stuff. I tend to be into high end rcs. Like Jim Brown Joe Namath, Unitas, Starr. Their prices spiked a few years ago and sales have shown prices have held strong on all of those. I am wondering if this Brees Key Registry RC is falling more in line with those or is it going to spike then have a major pull back.

[mcgahee21nfl]

I think we are talking about two different ends of the hobby anyway. I don’t deal I’m the patch auto newer stuff. I tend to be into high end rcs. Like Jim Brown Joe Namath, Unitas, Starr. Their prices spiked a few years ago and sales have shown prices have held strong on all of those. I am wondering if this Brees Key Registry RC is falling more in line with those or is it going to spike then have a major pull back.

No, we aren't. I'm talking about the hobby in general. Been around a long time. Followed all the trends for all cards for decades now. Not sure where you are getting any of that from.

[mcgahee21nfl]

Market manipulation is easy:

The 1990 Fleer Jose Uribe has gone up immensely in price. It was a .02 common. It's gone up to the point that they routinely sell for $5 or more and uneducated people/jokesters are sending them in for grading......

My idiot friend when he was 13 used to do fake sales on eBay to manipulate cards and get more for his.

The Jose Uribe example is so funny.

[enoch47]

I love the Brees stuff and have looked for a nice Reggie Wayne Raw for a long long time on the Topps chrome....I also love how people who miss the boat want to call out market manipulation and want to try to prove it happens...guess what it probably does happen get over it ...this is a discussion asking if anybody has seen the values ...

plenty of cards I've looked for only to never find and some for a few years that are never listed....some that I honestly would pay a mint for and can never find...but that's the hobby.....I can't imagine any 80s player having a 999 count refractor RC.....let's imagine the price...a 1981 Montana Topps Chrome Refractor RC #/999 ( how much) , a 1984 Marino , a 1984 Elway , a 1986 Topps Chrome Refractor RC #/999 Jerry Rice, etc...it is so hard to price any iconic card..BUT I think you absolutely have to look at moving the card if you can get close to the last sales price, and look like crazy for a black refractor . Side note--- All the talk about Juan Uribe is hilarious and that is not market manipulation cause most all the masses know the card is worth a penny or less. That's the definition of stupidity and people who should not participate in the hobby.

[rexvos]

My card is not on eBay someone knew I had the card and offered ito buy it When you say the sports card market in general not sure if you deal in Vintage because the return on investment on it unlike modern has not been as volatile. There was some major manipulation a few summers ago, but you have to have major deep pockets to move those cards significantly. I am not talking about Andrew McCutclheom Phillip Rivers or Stafford cards. My dilemma is I really like the card and want to keep it. I have been offered a lot for it but once I sell I am afraid the bubble does not burst and iI have to pony up more than what I sold it for to buy back. If you understood how the Regustry works you would understand what I am talking about and would not insult me. I do not want the fall prey to something like that. I bought my Brady before the last spike but not when I should.

[mcgahee21nfl]

My card is not on eBay someone knew I had the card and offered it. When you say the sports card market in general not sure if you deal in Vintage because the return on investment on it unlike modern has not been as volatile. There was some major manipulation a few summers ago, but you have to have major deep pockets to move those cards significantly. I am not talking about Andrew McCutclheom Phillip Rivers or Stafford cards. My dilemma is I really like the card and want to keep it. I have been offered a lot for it but once I sell I am afraid the bubble does not burst and iI have to pony up more than what I sold it for to buy back. If you understood how the Regustry works you would understand what I am talking about and would not insult me. I do not want the fall prey to something like that. I bought my Brady before the last spike but not when I should.

Did you not notice the Tom Brady in there with the Rivers and McCutchen?

I know vintage all too well, and my buddy who has very deep pockets was in the middle of the manipulation storm (you are probably referring to) a few years back. I had probably more information than I would've otherwise been able to gather, from someone who was a big prospective buyer and was in danger of getting cheated.

Sorry if you feel like you're being insulted, but you are implying way too much and not understanding the situation as well as someone who would recognize what is going on. The Tom Brady and Drew Brees cards act no different than any of the other cards. Vintage included.

If you want to know if you should sell it... I'd say that Brees long time prospects for having people kill for his card are relatively low. $2,500 for his /999 Chrome, I think you can pick a lot better spots.

I love Drew Brees, and I think he's an incredible player and the card is an absolutely incredible card. I had some, as well as the Tomlinson Black 21/ Black. Always under-appreciated and always kinda expensive.

[lesternatty]

I'd buy once they go down. I sold ungraded Ohtani Heritage for 400 and rebought a psa 10 for 300 a month later.

[MFaulkCollector]

I'd buy once they go down. I sold ungraded Ohtani Heritage for 400 and rebought a psa 10 for 300 a month later.

Ohtani... prospect; less than 100 career games

Brees..... 17 year career, sb mvp, 70k plus yards and 490 td passes

To compare the two is nonsense from any standpoint

Manning had dipped or become very stagnant, that could be a great Brees comp.... or maybe such low production of his key rcs keeps the prices up. It will be a tough call

[boston12]

Not gonna lie I'm blown away by this. It's very interesting to hear the base card is numbered /999. Not sure where the card goes from here, but I like hearing about this stuff.

[rexvos]

Did you not notice the Tom Brady in there with the Rivers and McCutchen?

I know vintage all too well, and my buddy who has very deep pockets was in the middle of the manipulation storm (you are probably referring to) a few years back. I had probably more information than I would've otherwise been able to gather, from someone who was a big prospective buyer and was in danger of getting cheated.

Sorry if you feel like you're being insulted, but you are implying way too much and not understanding the situation as well as someone who would recognize what is going on. The Tom Brady and Drew Brees cards act no different than any of the other cards. Vintage included.

If you want to know if you should sell it... I'd say that Brees long time prospects for having people kill for his card are relatively low. $2,500 for his /999 Chrome, I think you can pick a lot better spots.

I love Drew Brees, and I think he's an incredible player and the card is an absolutely incredible card. I had some, as well as the Tomlinson Black 21/ Black. Always under-appreciated and always kinda expensive.

Did not read that far. Understood. What you are saying is actually what I am hedging against. So you and I are not as far off as I originally thought.

[MeteoriteGuy]

The rise is Brees prices have been very steady the last year. This is not our first discussion on such either. All his numbered rookies have basically tripled in price, with the Chrome leading the wagon. While some may be manipulation, very little of it appears such to those following the cards. (We have had a few discussions on this.)

An example how little is likely manipulation is we saw all the decent priced rcs in stores sell first, followed by seeing them selling for a more in auction, and a steady rise from that. They have spiked, and almost at a crazy rate, but it has been very consistent throughout the year with store sales matching and beating auction prices.

[rexvos]

The rise is Brees prices have been very steady the last year. This is not our first discussion on such either. All his numbered rookies have basically tripled in price, with the Chrome leading the wagon. While some may be manipulation, very little of it appears such to those following the cards. (We have had a few discussions on this.)

An example how little is likely manipulation is we saw all the decent priced rcs in stores sell first, followed by seeing them selling for a more in auction, and a steady rise from that. They have spiked, and almost at a crazy rate, but it has been very consistent throughout the year with store sales matching and beating auction prices.

Mark collects on both sides. He knows something. Yes he does a lot of modern stuff with Tony Gonzalez and Marcus Allen but he has done a bunch with PSA in the past and knows what kind of drug the Regisrty is. What it does with prices. Case in point I had a pop 2 2000 Fleer Lechler / Janikowski RC PSA 10. The other one never came up for auction. Mine was sitting in my Team of the Decade set of the 2000s on the Registry. Out of the blue I get an email asking if I will sell. I respond of course. I then have an hour and a half drive for work. I get 3 emails in that time all with offers. The last one $500 PayPal a 1981 Topps Kellen Winslow PSA 10 and a 1965 Philadelphia Paul Warfileld PSA 8 RC. Roughly a deal worth under 1k. I take the deal. That is how the Registry works with High grade key cards. This is what the Chrome Brees is in particular and that is why I am reluctant to sell.

[dfr52]

The card is attractive to registry collectors and those who collect raw as well.

[blackandgold]

The rise is Brees prices have been very steady the last year. This is not our first discussion on such either. All his numbered rookies have basically tripled in price, with the Chrome leading the wagon. While some may be manipulation, very little of it appears such to those following the cards. (We have had a few discussions on this.)

An example how little is likely manipulation is we saw all the decent priced rcs in stores sell first, followed by seeing them selling for a more in auction, and a steady rise from that. They have spiked, and almost at a crazy rate, but it has been very consistent throughout the year with store sales matching and beating auction prices.

I’ve followed his cards since the New Orleans Saints picked him up First 2 autos I bought was contenders autos I payed $100 a piece for both I also picked up 2 Chrome card /999 for $15 apiece Of course I sold them couple years back but you are right his cards have steadily been on the rise and not sure if they peaked yet I still have some of his key rookie cards that I will sell when the time is right for me. I bought a contenders auto about 4 years ago for $500 That card right now is consistently selling in the $1500-$2000 range Not sure where market manipulation fits in there

[mcgahee21nfl]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Playoff-Contenders-Autographed-Drew-Brees-Auto-ROOKIE-RC-124-PSA-8-NM-MT/142897707709?hash=item21455dfabd%3Ag%3AREUAAOSwMv5baj7B&_sop=1&_sacat=0&_nkw=drew+brees+contenders+auto&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_TitleDesc=0%7C0

LOL let the Drew Brees hyping begin.

[RogerGodahell]

A 17-20 year career is really pushing the boundaries of how long someone will play and achieving career passing statistics. That's why Favre, Manning, Brady, and Brees are all at the top of the echelon.

[RogerGodahell]

Everyone knows shilling exists, that's not something new. I don't think every listing of all the big names in every sport are being shilled. Most of them are legitimate buyers.

The Brees refractor is not surprising to me at all. I looked into picking up one last year but never followed through with it. Some of the same people buying these are the same ones who bought, or are buying Brady cards. And if you compare price wise this is just a simple market correction. What do you think a 2000 Bowman Brady refractor is worth? One sold a few months ago, a BGS 9.5 $20K. A Brees for $2500 doesn't seem overpriced when you compare the two.

[rexvos]

Everyone knows shilling exists, that's not something new. I don't think every listing of all the big names in every sport are being shilled. Most of them are legitimate buyers.

The Brees refractor is not surprising to me at all. I looked into picking up one last year but never followed through with it. Some of the same people buying these are the same ones who bought, or are buying Brady cards. And if you compare price wise this is just a simple market correction. What do you think a 2000 Bowman Brady refractor is worth? One sold a few months ago, a BGS 9.5 $20K. A Brees for $2500 doesn't seem overpriced when you compare the two.

According to Willis the Brady is being manipulated as well. He may be right but if so the manipulation has not lead to a bursting bubble on Brady yet. My question is will the bubble bust on Brees or will prices continue to rise or stabilize near this point. That is why I started the thread. Because I believe it may hold I have been called naive and clueless. I fund my entire collection on buying and selling cards and only make PC purchases from my profits. Been doing this for years but I am clueless to how the market works now. Anyway I thought I would post here to see what others thought, clearly most do not believe prices will hold. The Ohtani argument and Urine argument do not apply. I sold 2 17 Heritage ROA Benintendi RCs PSA 10s 1 for $450 next for $350. Could have bought back for $150 that is how new stuff works. I am just curious if the Brees will hold like Brady has. That iis it. K legitimately do not know.

[Lothar52]

I saw a base topps RC of his in psa 10.. go for 290.00 at auction a day or so ago. THATS IMPRESSIVE considering i bought a BGS 9 /999 refractor for 650 BIN last year.

Has there been a run on his early topps chrome non-rc refractors yet like brady?

[RogerGodahell]

According to Willis the Brady is being manipulated as well. He may be right but if so the manipulation has not lead to a bursting bubble on Brady yet. My question is will the bubble bust on Brees or will prices continue to rise or stabilize near this point. That is why I started the thread. Because I believe it may hold I have been called naive and clueless. I fund my entire collection on buying and selling cards and only make PC purchases from my profits. Been doing this for years but I am clueless to how the market works now. Anyway I thought I would post here to see what others thought, clearly most do not believe prices will hold. The Ohtani argument and Urine argument do not apply. I sold 2 17 Heritage ROA Benintendi RCs PSA 10s 1 for $450 next for $350. Could have bought back for $150 that is how new stuff works. I am just curious if the Brees will hold like Brady has. That iis it. K legitimately do not know.

No one can say for sure. If they could they'd put every penny into it because they're that confident. But no one really knows what the future will hold. I thought the sports card market was dead 30 years ago when i got out in the early 90's. I said a lot of the same things i hear from people today. Cards are too expensive, too many products, can't keep up, etc. It's still here though.

I would say for rookies and young players the market is very volatile. It's all about who's hot at the moment. For a guy like Brees who's been around for 20 years i don't think he's going to tank overnight. I think what we're seeing is people realizing he's about to break a couple large records comparable to the HR record in baseball etc. That's my take on it.

[DaaaaBears]

Lol Brees was always projected to most likely break all these records anyways, no? Think about it, this was known for how many years? Now, all of a sudden his cards are sooooo popular that they are selling at these higher levels, when he has never really sold for that much considering he plays a prime position and one of the only positions in football that are considered worth a squat? This is nonsense and how many Super Bowls has he even won? Sorry, this just reeks of bogusness even though I have always loved Brees

[rexvos]

Lol Brees was always projected to most likely break all these records anyways, no? Think about it, this was known for how many years? Now, all of a sudden his cards are sooooo popular that they are selling at these higher levels, when he has never really sold for that much considering he plays a prime position and one of the only positions in football that are considered worth a squat? This is nonsense and how many Super Bowls has he even won? Sorry, this just reeks of bogusness even though I have always loved Brees

Walter Payton was always great. I bought his RC in PSA 9 for $500 in 2004. 5 years after his death. Now it is $1500 card and had been for years. There are 6x the amount of PSA 9 Payton’s as there are Brees and 10x on 10s. This Brees will be a key card in many registrys sets. You have no clue about the factor that plays apparently.

[DaaaaBears]

Ok, go ahead and pay these prices for Brees then and enjoy the profits you make lol

[rexvos]

Ok, go ahead and pay these prices for Brees then and enjoy the profits you make lol

Reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit. I have one already. I am just arguing both sides to try to come to grips if it is a good idea to sell a PC Card I may never replace. Say like if I would have sold my 200” SP Authentiic Brady when it was 2K thinking I could buy it back when the price can’t back down. Only problem is what if the Brees stays strong like the Brady?

[blackandgold]

Reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit. I have one already. I am just arguing both sides to try to come to grips if it is a good idea to sell a PC Card I may never replace. Say like if I would have sold my 200” SP Authentiic Brady when it was 2K thinking I could buy it back when the price can’t back down. Only problem is what if the Brees stays strong like the Brady?

As far when’s the right time to sell I’d wait and see how the season pans out New Orleans should make a strong push for the Super Bowl Plus the fact he will break the all time Passing Yardage most likely on Monday night football week 5

[MeteoriteGuy]

For a great example of cards selling with little or no manipulation, check eBay completed sales for 2001 Brees BGS. I made a note about how the store sales are leading prices, but I am guessing few have actually looked. Not sure how all these high store sales can possibly be fraudulent in some manner.

Examples, 2001 SP Authentic 9.5 for $4000, a BGS 10 Victory for $700, a Bowman Chrome Auto BGS 9/10 for $4500, among others, and these are just from this month.

[Archangel1775]

Walter Payton was always great. I bought his RC in PSA 9 for $500 in 2004. 5 years after his death. Now it is $1500 card and had been for years. There are 6x the amount of PSA 9 Payton’s as there are Brees and 10x on 10s. This Brees will be a key card in many registrys sets. You have no clue about the factor that plays apparently.

If the PSA Hall of Fame registry is your only angle, then you should be comparing a PSA 10 2001 Chrome Brees to a PSA 10 1976 Topps Payton......

There is probably over 100 Brees to choose from in 2001, if you include variations....only 1 Payton, either way , its not a wise comparison.

[rexvos]

If the PSA Hall of Fame registry is your only angle, then you should be comparing a PSA 10 2001 Chrome Brees to a PSA 10 1976 Topps Payton......

There is probably over 100 Brees to choose from in 2001, if you include variations....only 1 Payton, either way , its not a wise comparison.

Nope there is also the greatest all time passes set. The Super Boel MVPs Set. All Time Saints set come back player of the year set. AP Offensive Player of the Year Set as well as others. Some very highly collected. There are only 6 PSA 10 Brees 01 Chrome. Not sure what your angle is. They would be quite pricey

[rexvos]

If the PSA Hall of Fame registry is your only angle, then you should be comparing a PSA 10 2001 Chrome Brees to a PSA 10 1976 Topps Payton......

There is probably over 100 Brees to choose from in 2001, if you include variations....only 1 Payton, either way , its not a wise comparison.

All of those sets only use the 01 Topps Chrome Brees. Including the HOF Rookies set. So your statement is false

[Archangel1775]

You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. My point is, you're basing everything on the PSA registry. If you're going to compare a Top 3 Running Back to, maybe, a Top 10 quarterback then compare a PSA 10 Payton to a PSA 10 Brees. Huge difference in price and PSA registry weight.

Outside of the PSA registry, the Topps Chrome card isnt even his most wanted.

[Archangel1775]

If the PSA Hall of Fame registry is your only angle, then you should be comparing a PSA 10 2001 Chrome Brees to a PSA 10 1976 Topps Payton......

There is probably over 100 Brees to choose from in 2001, if you include variations....only 1 Payton, either way , its not a wise comparison.

All of those sets only use the 01 Topps Chrome Brees. Including the HOF Rookies set. So your statement is false

Those other sets are cute but the HOF registry is the primary PSA registry set. Either way, there is nothing untrue about anything I stated.There are over 100 plus Brees to choose from in 2001, in general. His Top 2 mainstream cards are his Bowman Chrome Auto and Contenders Auto. There are a plethora of other limited autos and serial numbered cards.

[rexvos]

You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. My point is, you're basing everything on the PSA registry. If you're going to compare a Top 3 Running Back to, maybe, a Top 10 quarterback then compare a PSA 10 Payton to a PSA 10 Brees. Huge difference in price and PSA registry weight.

Outside of the PSA registry, the Topps Chrome card isnt even his most wanted.

No you do not understand it is the card used in the Registry for all the major sets. You have no clue what you are talking about

[rexvos]

Those other sets are cute but the HOF registry is the primary PSA registry set. Either way, there is nothing untrue about anything I stated.There are over 100 plus Brees to choose from in 2001, in general. His Top 2 mainstream cards are his Bowman Chrome Auto and Contenders Auto. There are a plethora of other limited autos and serial numbered cards.

The HOF Rookie Card set is the biggest one and it only uses the Chrome. The set you mentioned you can use any card of any HOF player. It does not even have to be a RC.

[dfr52]

Those other sets are cute but the HOF registry is the primary PSA registry set. Either way, there is nothing untrue about anything I stated.There are over 100 plus Brees to choose from in 2001, in general. His Top 2 mainstream cards are his Bowman Chrome Auto and Contenders Auto. There are a plethora of other limited autos and serial numbered cards.

The Chrome rookie is considered the key non autographed rookie card. It also has a limited number and some condition issues as others have pointed out.

[rexvos]

The Chrome rookie is considered the key non autographed rookie card. It also has a limited number and some condition issues as others have pointed out.

Which means this is the card the Registry collectors want. A lot of people do not collect autos believe it or not. They want the best non auto non gu card. Per PSA standards to be the official card of Registry sets it has to be non auto, non gu true RC with 999 or more copies of the card produced

[Rock_47802]

Most consider Aaron Rodgers to be a very elite QB, he hasn’t played nearly as long as Brees though. His Topps Chrome Rookie Refractor has a PSA 9 pop of 77 I believe and a pop 7 in a PSA 10. If you wanna look at BGS, 200ish BGS 9’s and about (35) 9.5 or 10. If Brees is $2500 in a PSA 9, and the pop is higher than Rodgers, why does Rodgers sell for 1/3 of Brees? I’ve seen comments about Peyton vs Brees as well. The PSA 9 pop on his TC refractor is 198 with 18 of those having a qualifier, pop 40 on the PSA 10. Since we comparing PSA 9’s (apples to apples), why is a Manning PSA 9 in the $300-400 range? Remember the pop on the Brees is 106 in a PSA 9. Is it strictly stats? Is it the market manipulation spoken of in this thread hasn’t reached Rodgers? I’d love to hear everyone’s opinion.

[rexvos]

Most consider Aaron Rodgers to be a very elite QB, he hasn’t played nearly as long as Brees though. His Topps Chrome Rookie Refractor has a PSA 9 pop of 77 I believe and a pop 7 in a PSA 10. If you wanna look at BGS, 200ish BGS 9’s and about (35) 9.5 or 10. If Brees is $2500 in a PSA 9, and the pop is higher than Rodgers, why does Rodgers sell for 1/3 of Brees? I’ve seen comments about Peyton vs Brees as well. The PSA 9 pop on his TC refractor is 198 with 18 of those having a qualifier, pop 40 on the PSA 10. Since we comparing PSA 9’s (apples to apples), why is a Manning PSA 9 in the $300-400 range? Remember the pop on the Brees is 106 in a PSA 9. Is it strictly stats? Is it the market manipulation spoken of in this thread hasn’t reached Rodgers? I’d love to hear everyone’s opinion.

Well one reason is his refractor version is not his key registry card. There was no base version of the 2001 Brees. Just the Refractor. Rodgers will also not retire holding every major career passing mark.

[rexvos]

Well one reason is his refractor version is not his key registry card. There was no base version of the 2001 Brees. Just the Refractor. Rodgers will also not retire holding every major career passing mark.

Also Manning’s key card is an SP Authentic. Not his Topps Chrome. Once again Manning has a Base Chrome as well.

[Rock_47802]

Also Manning’s key card is an SP Authentic. Not his Topps Chrome. Once again Manning has a Base Chrome as well.

So because Manning and Rodgers have base TC RC’s? That’s the major reason why these “others “ can be had at a super discount even considering pop reports?

[rexvos]

So because Manning and Rodgers have base TC RC’s? That’s the major reason why these “others “ can be had at a super discount even considering pop reports?

That is part of it. There is a segment of high end collectors that do not touch modern until they reach a certain threshold. I would contend Brees reached it long ago and I found this spike shocking. That segment does not collect autos, but primarily the key RC. The question you should be asking is why is the 1998 SP Authentic Manning so undervalued. There are 2000 copies and almost 500 9s and almost 100 10s but it can be had for under $1000. He is top tier of top tier no doubt but this Brees is currently dwarfing it. That will have to correct somewhat in my opinion

[BlowoutBuzz]

I think we'll see more of this for key players with rarer cards from the 2000s.

Why? Finding the wax isn't an option in many instances and that helps the market for the singles. (Things like this just don't happen with Tom Brady RCs.)

[MFaulkCollector]

Ok, go ahead and pay these prices for Brees then and enjoy the profits you make lol

People fail to actually think... the bubble will always burst on cards that are not highly desired. Non rc autos, non rc refractors.... they will turn to crap. Brady stuff cooled off significantly after the huge boom and Brees will do the same

Lower to middle tier rc’s.... they will settle, prices will drop. Too many exist and time is infinite. Nobody can or will artificially hold up prices rcs for cards with endless copies.

Good rc’s for brees... pacific auto, topps debut, serial numbered stuff in the 500-1500 range if it’s populsr will stay high longer as people can protect an asset longer if it’s not available 10 times a week

The elite rc autos will rise and market manipulation prices will be the norm. The dynagon hobby auto /199 is an elite card, raws went from 150 to 525 in 6 months and I’d pay 600 now, probably more later. The ex /125 went from 200 to 1000. Elite turn of the century is up to 1000 /50... spx /250 is up from 150-750. Numerous other rc autos /50 are close to a grand. There may only be 2000-2500 of these top tier rc autos of Brees to be had across all 01 sets. That number is minuscule. The prices won’t plummet, the supply is too low. The demand will be strong enough to support the relative infrequency of the availability

Topps Chrome and contenders are iconic sets. The Rodgers chrome has an estimated 1500-2500 refractors and sells raw at 600 plus. Brees /999 at 800-1000 isn’t the end of the world for the lowest print run chrome rc set ever made. Contenders is the anomaly. Prices are much higher than they should be. But at 500 copies manipulation can keep the prices few right where they are. Making sure one card /500 stays at a price point is doable.

Elite low numbered rcs like quantum leaf infinity green, red, ex credentials, leaf longevity, whatever else /75 or less will rise due to basically no supply and thousands of player, team, q.b collectors... and investors.

People should stop thinking so hard about this.. a little common sense will go a long way

[Rock_47802]

People fail to actually think... the bubble will always burst on cards that are not highly desired. Non rc autos, non rc refractors.... they will turn to crap. Brady stuff cooled off significantly after the huge boom and Brees will do the same

Lower to middle tier rc’s.... they will settle, prices will drop. Too many exist and time is infinite. Nobody can or will artificially hold up prices rcs for cards with endless copies.

Good rc’s for brees... pacific auto, topps debut, serial numbered stuff in the 500-1500 range if it’s populsr will stay high longer as people can protect an asset longer if it’s not available 10 times a week

The elite rc autos will rise and market manipulation prices will be the norm. The dynagon hobby auto /199 is an elite card, raws went from 150 to 525 in 6 months and I’d pay 600 now, probably more later. The ex /125 went from 200 to 1000. Elite turn of the century is up to 1000 /50... spx /250 is up from 150-750. Numerous other rc autos /50 are close to a grand. There may only be 2000-2500 of these top tier rc autos of Brees to be had across all 01 sets. That number is minuscule. The prices won’t plummet, the supply is too low. The demand will be strong enough to support the relative infrequency of the availability

Topps Chrome and contenders are iconic sets. The Rodgers chrome has an estimated 1500-2500 refractors and sells raw at 600 plus. Brees /999 at 800-1000 isn’t the end of the world for the lowest print run chrome rc set ever made. Contenders is the anomaly. Prices are much higher than they should be. But at 500 copies manipulation can keep the prices few right where they are. Making sure one card /500 stays at a price point is doable.

Elite low numbered rcs like quantum leaf infinity green, red, ex credentials, leaf longevity, whatever else /75 or less will rise due to basically no supply and thousands of player, team, q.b collectors... and investors.

People should stop thinking so hard about this.. a little common sense will go a long way

If the estimates are 1500-2000 TC Rodgers Refractors, then why is the population report lower on this card than the Brees? I’m just wondering where this estimate came from...

[MFaulkCollector]

Well one reason is his refractor version is not his key registry card. There was no base version of the 2001 Brees. Just the Refractor. Rodgers will also not retire holding every major career passing mark.

Favre had the records first, and nobody thought he was better than Montana, elway. Brees will have the records and nobody will think he’s better than Rodgers. Stats alone don’t define a place in history. In fact Favre and Brees both are outside of my top 10 and a lot of people agree.

Rodgers is a generational talent and football icon that Brees couldn’t match with 600 td passes or 90k yards.

[blackbears86]

2001 Topps Chrome is the most limited chrome release in history for RC’s. You have 999 base (which feature a refractor front) and 100 Black which are the true “refractors” if you go by strict definition. Brees is a player who has a super bowl, has a sb mvp, has the best few conpleyion percentage seasons in history, will have possibly 78k yards or more, 500-550 td passes... and he was a first team all pro in the prime of manning and Brady.

It’s a perfect storm for a card to grossly appreciate, and quickly. Brees is a very unique case. With Brees we have seen both gross market correction (for being significantly undervalued for years) and new hype/investment buying almost simultaneously. It’s a combo unseen by any player in the modern history (except possibly Larry Fitzgerald but to a much lesser extent)

So although prices may be getting a bit crazy it’s very unlikely prices will plummet or fall off very much. Market correction has fixed his value and he is now among potentially the top 8-20 qbs in history depending on who you ask.

His top notch rc autos like dynagon, ex, elite... they are extremely limited in production and they are on card. Good luck to those waiting for prices to drop on them too. As prices seen turn from surprise to the norm; many of these will be sitting in collections and won’t be available much 2,3,4 years from now

Add in Brees is a good guy, good for his community, contributes to charities..... I can only see his collecting base getting larger. I personally know for a fact that many high end dealers who reserved their football table space to only high end Rodgers and Brady have included Brees as well.



I agree with this.

People knock on him for the "Dome effect" but, if he remains healthy, he's going to be breaking some pretty big passing records over the next few years.


Plus, compared to today's print runs, he has relatively few auto's out there.
I'd say his values still have room to climb, especially with New Orleans finally having a defense again.

[MFaulkCollector]

If the estimates are 1500-2000 TC Rodgers Refractors, then why is the population report lower on this card than the Brees? I’m just wondering where this estimate came from...

Someone did the math for me on estimated hobby boxes and a projected retail run across a few stores. It’s a pretty dirty estimate but the 05 refractors are a higher print run than 01.... exactly how much will never be known

[Rock_47802]

I think we'll see more of this for key players with rarer cards from the 2000s.

Why? Finding the wax isn't an option in many instances and that helps the market for the singles. (Things like this just don't happen with Tom Brady RCs.)

I tend to agree with this across the major 3 sports. Brees has a ton of base numbered RCs.

[rexvos]

Favre had the records first, and nobody thought he was better than Montana, elway. Brees will have the records and nobody will think he’s better than Rodgers. Stats alone don’t define a place in history. In fact Favre and Brees both are outside of my top 10 and a lot of people agree.

Rodgers is a generational talent and football icon that Brees couldn’t match with 600 td passes or 90k yards.

I agree with most of what you have said, but I disagree here. Favre has a huge following but s true junk era RC. His best regular edition card is from 92. Favre’s following is as strong as Rodgers. The guy sat for 4 years, I agree he is Top tier but Brees was on that same level. He won a Super Bowl in New Orleans which is something I thought I would never see in my lifetime. When healthy Rodgers has been the best of the last 5 years though

[RogerGodahell]

Venture into the basketball or baseball forum sometime. If you think football cards are pricey you haven't seen anything. All it takes is a few big money basketball/baseball collectors to jump into football and start buying up a player. Football prices look cheap comparatively.

[MFaulkCollector]

I agree with most of what you have said, but I disagree here. Favre has a huge following but s true junk era RC. His best regular edition card is from 92. Favre’s following is as strong as Rodgers. The guy sat for 4 years, I agree he is Top tier but Brees was on that same level. He won a Super Bowl in New Orleans which is something I thought I would never see in my lifetime. When healthy Rodgers has been the best of the last 5 years though

If you think brees is/was on the same level as Rodgers at any point in the last 7-8 years then there is no reason to continue having a discussion about this

[rexvos]

If you think brees is/was on the same level as Rodgers at any point in the last 7-8 years then there is no reason to continue having a discussion about this

Definitely not the last 3-4 as I believe Brees has taken a step back as Rodgers has continued to be incredible when healthy. Before that they were dang close

[MFaulkCollector]

Definitely not the last 3-4 as I believe Brees has taken a step back as Rodgers has continued to be incredible when healthy. Before that they were dang close

They were never close. Even most Brady guys think Rodgers is the most talented complete package to ever play the position. Add to that Rodgers is the most efficient qb in history in terms of td to int ratio and rating. He just doesn’t have the team accomplishments of a Montana or Brady

Brees is a high volume passer who throws a lot of interceptions. He has had a lot of losing record seasons. He’s a great player but even mention him in the same sentence as Rodgers is laughable. Marino, Elway, Montana, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Young, even Favre... we are talking league MVPs and most of which did it more than once. Brees is not a league MVP calibur player. He doesn’t make the saints a playoff team every year by himself

The gap is huge... really all I have to say about it.

[rexvos]

They were never close. Even most Brady guys think Rodgers is the most talented complete package to ever play the position. Add to that Rodgers is the most efficient qb in history in terms of td to int ratio and rating. He just doesn’t have the team accomplishments of a Montana or Brady

Brees is a high volume passer who throws a lot of interceptions. He has had a lot of losing record seasons. He’s a great player but even mention him in the same sentence as Rodgers is laughable. Marino, Elway, Montana, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Young, even Favre... we are talking league MVPs and most of which did it more than once. Brees is not a league MVP calibur player. He doesn’t make the saints a playoff team every year by himself

The gap is huge... really all I have to say about it.

We can just disagree. Your boy has 2 MVPs well deserved, but to say Brees is not MVP caliber is just plain dumb. He was runner up more than once . You like Rodgers better and I am not disagreeing. You must also talk to different Brady people because none of the ones I know concede anything to Rodgers or Manning

[MFaulkCollector]

We can just disagree. Your boy has 2 MVPs well deserved, but to say Brees is not MVP caliber is just plain dumb. He was runner up more than once . You like Rodgers better and I am not disagreeing. You must also talk to different Brady people because none of the ones I know concede anything to Rodgers or Manning

Rodgers isn’t my boy... I don’t have “boys”. I use facts along with knowledge to form an opinion

If anything brees is my “boy”. I like him more than any other player

[DaaaaBears]

People aren't getting what I was saying: Brees chrome Rc/999 is a great card to get, but, not at artificially inflated prices - Also, anyone should be cautious when it comes to spending big $$$ on any chrome cards imo - No one seems to actually know what causes them to hulk out yet, right? It's all theories and not a specific answer - Someone should ask Topps if they can provide an answer to this as it would maybe help to avoid it

[blackandgold]

If you think brees is/was on the same level as Rodgers at any point in the last 7-8 years then there is no reason to continue having a discussion about this

Their was nobody better than Brees 2009-2011 To say he’s not on the same level of Rodgers is flat out wrong. Even with Rodgers big arm Brees was still better last year throwing the deep ball

[oldgoldy97]

People aren't getting what I was saying: Brees chrome Rc/999 is a great card to get, but, not at artificially inflated prices - Also, anyone should be cautious when it comes to spending big $$$ on any chrome cards imo - No one seems to actually know what causes them to hulk out yet, right? It's all theories and not a specific answer - Someone should ask Topps if they can provide an answer to this as it would maybe help to avoid it

So what you’re saying, and please correct me if I’m wrong, is that Rodgers is better than Brees.

[oldgoldy97]

Their was nobody better than Brees 2009-2011 To say he’s not on the same level of Rodgers is flat out wrong. Even with Rodgers big arm Brees was still better last year throwing the deep ball

He was also better at avoiding the rush.


Yeah, I said it.

[Siberian13]

He was also better at avoiding the rush.


Yeah, I said it.

You referring to this?

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2017/10/17/d5f0ae7f-1034-490a-bc27-a776dfef9a60/resize/670x377/a6d81d7315b33eac8de0bcff47fedd6b/ezgif-com-video-to-gif.gif

[packerfan4200]

People aren't getting what I was saying: Brees chrome Rc/999 is a great card to get, but, not at artificially inflated prices - Also, anyone should be cautious when it comes to spending big $$$ on any chrome cards imo - No one seems to actually know what causes them to hulk out yet, right? It's all theories and not a specific answer - Someone should ask Topps if they can provide an answer to this as it would maybe help to avoid it

I don't think the prices are artificially inflated. They are the new norm, that's all there is to it. I'm not in here to debate Rodgers vs brees or anyone else for that matter. There is no debating that 2001 chrome was the most limited of all time though. The standard "base" RC fell one per box, not 2 per pack, was a refractor front limited to /999 copies. Throw in the black /100 and there's only 1,099 Brees (or any other rookie in '01) chrome rookies. Add in the psa registry thing and the fact that brees is about to break a bunch of records, and you see the new norm. Close this thread up now, everything has been covered and it seems like it's about to devolve into a pissing match like most of these types of threads tend to do.

[oldgoldy97]

You referring to this?

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2017/10/17/d5f0ae7f-1034-490a-bc27-a776dfef9a60/resize/670x377/a6d81d7315b33eac8de0bcff47fedd6b/ezgif-com-video-to-gif.gif

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/JohnCampanelli/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif

[rexvos]

I don't think the prices are artificially inflated. They are the new norm, that's all there is to it. I'm not in here to debate Rodgers vs brees or anyone else for that matter. There is no debating that 2001 chrome was the most limited of all time though. The standard "base" RC fell one per box, not 2 per pack, was a refractor front limited to /999 copies. Throw in the black /100 and there's only 1,099 Brees (or any other rookie in '01) chrome rookies. Add in the psa registry thing and the fact that brees is about to break a bunch of records, and you see the new norm. Close this thread up now, everything has been covered and it seems like it's about to devolve into a pissing match like most of these types of threads tend to do.

Yep. I think I will keep mine

[Archangel1775]

No you do not understand it is the card used in the Registry for all the major sets. You have no clue what you are talking about

I do understand and I guarantee that the top dogs in the registry already secured their copies before they voted on the what card to use. But that's a different beast.


The HOF Rookie Card set is the biggest one and it only uses the Chrome. The set you mentioned you can use any card of any HOF player. It does not even have to be a RC.

That is the one I am referring to,the Rookie Card registry,not the cute ones.

[rexvos]

I do understand and I guarantee that the top dogs in the registry already secured their copies before they voted on the what card to use. But that's a different beast.




That is the one I am referring to,the Rookie Card registry,not the cute ones.

It has to be the 01 Topps Chrome. It is a key card registry. Not multiple choice

[rexvos]

I do understand and I guarantee that the top dogs in the registry already secured their copies before they voted on the what card to use. But that's a different beast.




That is the one I am referring to,the Rookie Card registry,not the cute ones.

If you understood then you would know that you can not pick any card you like to compete in that set in your original post saying the Payton RC example did not line up. Not that important just pointing out the facts since I have participating in these sets for over a decade

[dfr52]

That is part of it. There is a segment of high end collectors that do not touch modern until they reach a certain threshold. I would contend Brees reached it long ago and I found this spike shocking. That segment does not collect autos, but primarily the key RC. The question you should be asking is why is the 1998 SP Authentic Manning so undervalued. There are 2000 copies and almost 500 9s and almost 100 10s but it can be had for under $1000. He is top tier of top tier no doubt but this Brees is currently dwarfing it. That will have to correct somewhat in my opinion

The pop is so low on Brees that I don't know if the price falls. It is nearly a 5 times lower pop than Manning and 3 times lower than Brady.

[dfr52]

They were never close. Even most Brady guys think Rodgers is the most talented complete package to ever play the position. Add to that Rodgers is the most efficient qb in history in terms of td to int ratio and rating. He just doesn’t have the team accomplishments of a Montana or Brady

Brees is a high volume passer who throws a lot of interceptions. He has had a lot of losing record seasons. He’s a great player but even mention him in the same sentence as Rodgers is laughable. Marino, Elway, Montana, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Young, even Favre... we are talking league MVPs and most of which did it more than once. Brees is not a league MVP calibur player. He doesn’t make the saints a playoff team every year by himself

The gap is huge... really all I have to say about it.

The most talented QB might be Tarkenton who posted career stats that seem like decades ahead of his time.

Brees is the resason the Saints have remained relevant and at least have a shot at the Playoffs every year. He also has not had the benefit of a defense that has featured Peppers, Matthews, or Woodson.

[marinocollector]

The most talented QB might be Tarkenton who posted career stats that seem like decades ahead of his time.

Brees is the resason the Saints have remained relevant and at least have a shot at the Playoffs every year. He also has not had the benefit of a defense that has featured Peppers, Matthews, or Woodson.

So much fail....

I could go on... but yeah....

No one here understand quarterbacks, print runs, Topps Chrome, generational price bumps, the power of investors and collectors, the difference between projections and reality, and how bad of good Drew Brees really is.

I’ll just say this.... continue these threads and have fun... but realize as the NFL packs stadiums full of 50,000 people who spend $1000s to go to every game every season, spending $1000 on the best RC seems low by comparison.

Maybe rather than berate it like everyone did with Brady, learn from it. And pay attention because Roethlisberger is going to make Brees look like Matt Stafford.

[rittdk01]

I wouldn’t put a lot in Brees as an investment. I don’t care what his numbers are, he’s just never going to be as collectible as manning or Brady. A lot of should have seasons and one
Dirty championship run. He’s ran his mouth too much for a lot of fans as well.

[mcgahee21nfl]

They were never close. Even most Brady guys think Rodgers is the most talented complete package to ever play the position. Add to that Rodgers is the most efficient qb in history in terms of td to int ratio and rating. He just doesn’t have the team accomplishments of a Montana or Brady

Brees is a high volume passer who throws a lot of interceptions. He has had a lot of losing record seasons. He’s a great player but even mention him in the same sentence as Rodgers is laughable. Marino, Elway, Montana, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Young, even Favre... we are talking league MVPs and most of which did it more than once. Brees is not a league MVP calibur player. He doesn’t make the saints a playoff team every year by himself

The gap is huge... really all I have to say about it.

Game, set, match. From easily the biggest Drew Brees fan on the board.

[marinocollector]

I wouldn’t put a lot in Brees as an investment. I don’t care what his numbers are, he’s just never going to be as collectible as manning or Brady. A lot of should have seasons and one
Dirty championship run. He’s ran his mouth too much for a lot of fans as well.

I think Brees is a better investment than p Mann. Not Eli mann. Eli mann is definitely the best investment of the 3. One day the NY market will appreciate Eli.
Brees RC stuff is in such smaller supply. Plus the best “RC” of p mann is so expensive, it makes investing difficult. That and the SPA was a great card on everyone’s radar from day 1 makes it a dealers dream. You’ll never see a surge on p mann. He had his last one in 2006. Here Brees has hid behind p mann and brady and Rodgers and OH MY GOSH HES ACTUALLY HAD A GREAT CAREER AND ALL HIS 2001 CARDS ARE SCARCE.

Eli will get a bump one day once people realize playing in NY stadium destroys all QBs.

Game, set, match. From easily the biggest Drew Brees fan on the board.

I’m mad. It’s taken me 2 years to drill that stuff into his head, and in turn I miss out of the Brees boom. Looks like both of us were right Kyle!

[blackandgold]

They were never close. Even most Brady guys think Rodgers is the most talented complete package to ever play the position. Add to that Rodgers is the most efficient qb in history in terms of td to int ratio and rating. He just doesn’t have the team accomplishments of a Montana or Brady

Brees is a high volume passer who throws a lot of interceptions. He has had a lot of losing record seasons. He’s a great player but even mention him in the same sentence as Rodgers is laughable. Marino, Elway, Montana, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Young, even Favre... we are talking league MVPs and most of which did it more than once. Brees is not a league MVP calibur player. He doesn’t make the saints a playoff team every year by himself

The gap is huge... really all I have to say about it.
So many wrong statements in this synopsis I’ll just point out 1 MARINO in 16 seasons threw 252 interceptions to Brees 228

[MFaulkCollector]

So many wrong statements in this synopsis I’ll just point out 1 MARINO in 16 seasons threw 252 interceptions to Brees 228

So in a span of 20 years difference between the two.... where the league went from 30 tds and 17 picks being a great year to Rodgers,Brady,manning having seasons of like 45 and 8...... the fact the difference is only 25 is a HUGE indictment on Bree’s lack of td to pick efficiency in a league where q b efficiency has seen third tier guys go for 30 and 10.

Don’t bother thinking about era.. let’s just compare overall efficiency from the 80s, early 90s to the late 00s and 10s..... laughable

[Scottish Punk]

I am so late to the party for getting a Brees RC. I don't have a Brady or Rodgers yet either. Spending most of your money on vintage will do that. ;). I am not surprised his cards are spiking. He is set to pass some hallowed records. All the media attention is Brady v Peyton. Brees has always been right there with them as one of the best QBs in the league. He is way more than a "volume" passer. That is nonsense. He has carried his team just like Rodgers, Brady, or Peyton. I have seen all of them play insane football for 2 month stretches and reel of wins. Those four will be considered the "golden age of QBs". You can argue all of them being top ten-fifteen all time.

[cking]

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY

Its sad to see the obsession of some people. Shallow and empty.

[rexvos]

I am so late to the party for getting a Brees RC. I don't have a Brady or Rodgers yet either. Spending most of your money on vintage will do that. ;). I am not surprised his cards are spiking. He is set to pass some hallowed records. All the media attention is Brady v Peyton. Brees has always been right there with them as one of the best QBs in the league. He is way more than a "volume" passer. That is nonsense. He has carried his team just like Rodgers, Brady, or Peyton. I have seen all of them play insane football for 2 month stretches and reel of wins. Those four will be considered the "golden age of QBs". You can argue all of them being top ten-fifteen all time.

This I agree with. I cannot slam Rodgers, Manning or Brady. My only knock on Brees in recent years is he has been more careless with the ball under pressure.

[deemsterz33]

Glad I snagged a Rodgers TC Refractor about a month ago. With these Brees prices it seems like it's only a matter of time until that one blows up.

[blackandgold]

So in a span of 20 years difference between the two.... where the league went from 30 tds and 17 picks being a great year to Rodgers,Brady,manning having seasons of like 45 and 8...... the fact the difference is only 25 is a HUGE indictment on Bree’s lack of td to pick efficiency in a league where q b efficiency has seen third tier guys go for 30 and 10.

Don’t bother thinking about era.. let’s just compare overall efficiency from the 80s, early 90s to the late 00s and 10s..... laughable

Drew Brees is the all time leader in efficiency percentage He’s thrown 936 more passes than Marino with 24 less interceptions. The point I am making is for you say that Brees isn’t is the same category of Brady Manning Rodgers is completely false and laughable

[MFaulkCollector]

For people unable to comprehend my point of view. In the golden age of efficiency where guys are throwing more tds and less picks... we have Rodgers at roughly 4:1 overall where only two seasons did the throw double digits.... both of which he was still better than 2:1 and one of those was his first year as a starter. He has years of 45-6, 40-7, 35-9, the list goes on

Brady transformed from the early 00s to a guy who has thrown 50-8, 32-4, 28-2... the list goes on and on

Brees has not sniffed this trend and has years of 22 and 19 interceptions. He has led the league in interceptions while in his age 30’s. Someone referenced 09-11... yea in 10 he threw 33 tds and 22 picks. If a few extra td passes are worth double or triple the interceptions then ok

To compare Brees stat wise directly with Marino, elway, Montana... it’s foolish. The style of play wasn’t the same and efficiency wasn’t the same.... yet in a less efficient league Montana was putting up efficiency numbers at or above Brees throughout the 80s. Marino threw 48-18 in 84, similar to what brees has done in his best seasons. So let’s put brees in perspective to his era and understand guys did what brees has done some seasons almost 30 years ago. Nobody has ever done what Brady and Rodgers have done... EVER

Brees is a first ballot hall of famer and a great QB....but to mention him among Rodgers and Brady is laughable. He does not take care of the ball enough and is not efficient enough to be mentioned among the two

And I think brees is a top 15ish all time q.b... it’s not his fault Brady and Rodgers just happen to fall much higher on the list from an efficiency and statistical standpoint... plus both have way more hardware and Rodgers has 2 mvp awards in 7 less seasons as a starter. Not to mention both play games in frigid weather as the norm and Brees plays in a dome. Brees is great, the other guys are just clearly better

[blackbears86]

For people unable to comprehend my point of view. In the golden age of efficiency where guys are throwing more tds and less picks... we have Rodgers at roughly 4:1 overall where only two seasons did the throw double digits.... both of which he was still better than 2:1 and one of those was his first year as a starter. He has years of 45-6, 40-7, 35-9, the list goes on

Brady transformed from the early 00s to a guy who has thrown 50-8, 32-4, 28-2... the list goes on and on

Brees has not sniffed this trend and has years of 22 and 19 interceptions. He has led the league in interceptions while in his age 30’s. Someone referenced 09-11... yea in 10 he threw 33 tds and 22 picks. If a few extra td passes are worth double or triple the interceptions then ok

To compare Brees stat wise directly with Marino, elway, Montana... it’s foolish. The style of play wasn’t the same and efficiency wasn’t the same.... yet in a less efficient league Montana was putting up efficiency numbers at or above Brees throughout the 80s. Marino threw 48-18 in 84, similar to what brees has done in his best seasons. So let’s put brees in perspective to his era and understand guys did what brees has done some seasons almost 30 years ago. Nobody has ever done what Brady and Rodgers have done... EVER

Brees is a first ballot hall of famer and a great QB....but to mention him among Rodgers and Brady is laughable. He does not take care of the ball enough and is not efficient enough to be mentioned among the two

And I think brees is a top 15ish all time q.b... it’s not his fault Brady and Rodgers just happen to fall much higher on the list from an efficiency and statistical standpoint... plus both have way more hardware and Rodgers has 2 mvp awards in 7 less seasons as a starter. Not to mention both play games in frigid weather as the norm and Brees plays in a dome. Brees is great, the other guys are just clearly better




You make great points, but right now Rodgers has the stigma of getting "injured"----He needs to stay healthy this year to further cement his status as one of the greats. I do agree with you on stats Rodgers for sure, but value wise in regards to cards, Brees has more upside




I collect//like both players and hope they both do well this year.

[Cavaliercards]

Has anyone in the thread had a confirmed Brees sale since the spike?

[cking]

Has anyone in the thread had a confirmed Brees sale since the spike?

Probably not. They would rather argue who is better and derail the thread as usual. Every thread, time after time turns into this type of thing.

[blackbears86]

Has anyone in the thread had a confirmed Brees sale since the spike?



I just checked ebay.


His auto's across the board are all significantly increased. (his rookie auto's)


I bought his 2001 sp authentic auto years ago. I thought I over paid. Now I see that was a bargain.

[MFaulkCollector]

You make great points, but right now Rodgers has the stigma of getting "injured"----He needs to stay healthy this year to further cement his status as one of the greats. I do agree with you on stats Rodgers for sure, but value wise in regards to cards, Brees has more upside




I collect//like both players and hope they both do well this year.

I have heard some guys with concerns about Rodgers being fragile. Brees is built like a tank and Rodgers would surely benefit by adding some upper body mass. If for no other reason than to protect those shoulder girdles and collarbone area. I think there is huge upside for both but only with certain items. I’m with you, I like both a lot and hope they stay healthy and play forever

[rexvos]

Has anyone in the thread had a confirmed Brees sale since the spike?

I was offered $2500 for a PSA 9 Brees and ironically 2005 Topps Chrome PSA 9 Rodgers from a solid buyer in a Facebook group I am in. I decided to keep the Brees and Rodgers. I collect PSA graded Qb rcs. If I sold the Brees I would likely not buy it back unless the price crashed. I started this thread because of the offer.

[rexvos]

I have heard some guys with concerns about Rodgers being fragile. Brees is built like a tank and Rodgers would surely benefit by adding some upper body mass. If for no other reason than to protect those shoulder girdles and collarbone area. I think there is huge upside for both but only with certain items. I’m with you, I like both a lot and hope they stay healthy and play forever

Agree

[coltsfan23]

Has anyone in the thread had a confirmed Brees sale since the spike?Yeah, I've sold a few grand worth in the past few weeks. It's real from what I can tell - not 100% sure on some of the recent graded contenders sales and auctions though.

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[MFaulkCollector]

Yeah, I've sold a few grand worth in the past few weeks. It's real from what I can tell - not 100% sure on some of the recent graded contenders sales and auctions though.

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Honestly the contenders is the only card that truly seems fishy. Other sales make sense and have trended up for 18 months or more. Market correction and FOMO simultaneously is dangerous.

[packerfan4200]

Glad I snagged a Rodgers TC Refractor about a month ago. With these Brees prices it seems like it's only a matter of time until that one blows up.

Um, that card sold for about $150-200 a few years ago. At the same time the brees were selling in that range. Safe to say it already has to a certain extent.

[MeteoriteGuy]

Like I noted check completed ebay, especially the BGS graded rookies. When I do this I see store sales which appear to be from about 100 different sellers to 100 different buyers, during the last couple of months. Sales are an average three times higher then cards that use to set in stores at this time last year. You have to subscribe to a crazy conspiracy theory to come up with most of these not being real sales, as store sales have pretty much been the leaders.

You also have to ignore this was not overnight as some seem to think. But a very steady rise the whole last year (and really, the last two years).

[DaaaaBears]

So what you’re saying, and please correct me if I’m wrong, is that Rodgers is better than Brees.

#@#@#@#@ Rodgers lol he's a fudge packer for crying out loud!!! What happens if Brees' chrome cards turn fricken green?!?! :eek:

And by the way, I never saw Brees destroy a team that was considered to be one of the best ever and make it look easy!!! You guys are all dumb.....Vinny Testaverde is the GOAT!!!

[mcgahee21nfl]

Drew Brees SOTT Gold Auto $15k BIN. Guy buys it from Probstein for $5k. Week later $15k BIN. Totally legit. #'d to 25 SOTT. No one wants that card.

1 1st Team All-Pro. No MVPs. Brees has a lot of love from some fans. But he isn't anyone who anyone needs to have his card. His fanbase has always been niche.

Prices are so funny. People are such fools.

[MFaulkCollector]

Like I noted check completed ebay, especially the BGS graded rookies. When I do this I see store sales which appear to be from about 100 different sellers to 100 different buyers, during the last couple of months. Sales are an average three times higher then cards that use to set in stores at this time last year. You have to subscribe to a crazy conspiracy theory to come up with most of these not being real sales, as store sales have pretty much been the leaders.

You also have to ignore this was not overnight as some seem to think. But a very steady rise the whole last year (and really, the last two years).

People fail to realize they were wrong or missed something so grossly obvious that cost them literally thousands and thousands of dollars.... so they blame it away on this that or the other. Contenders are fishy... the rest follow proper patterns to show legit sales (up to this point). I’ve been a buyer for the bowman chrome xfractor over the last 2 years. I steadily paid up for each of the 4 over that period. I’ve done the same on a few rc autos that will go unnamed... sane two year period, same thing... each was more than the last.

Moving forward I think we see some manipulation... but prices over the last few months besides contenders seem on point

[MFaulkCollector]

Drew Brees SOTT Gold Auto $15k BIN. Guy buys it from Probstein for $5k. Week later $15k BIN. Totally legit. #'d to 25 SOTT. No one wants that card.

1 1st Team All-Pro. No MVPs. Brees has a lot of love from some fans. But he isn't anyone who anyone needs to have his card. His fanbase has always been niche.

Prices are so funny. People are such fools.

Stop that... I like brees... I may or may not be a fool

[pejc300]

I have the perfection analogy for this situation. The people buying Brees at these prices will be begging to return them the same way an NFL QB might overpay for jewelry and then try to sue the jeweler when he finds out he got duped.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

[MeteoriteGuy]

Better chance they continue to rise the next several months, as Brees closes in and breaks a record or two, and then they drop a little....still ending higher then they are today. That is if the Saints have a bad season, which they are unlikely to have...now that they have a real rb.


Its extremely unlikely anyone will be dumping his rcs short anytime soon, and to have any real effect you need a few hundred to start dumping.

[deemsterz33]

Um, that card sold for about $150-200 a few years ago. At the same time the brees were selling in that range. Safe to say it already has to a certain extent.

You're joking right?

.....$2500 > $750.......

[dfr52]

So much fail....

I could go on... but yeah....

No one here understand quarterbacks, print runs, Topps Chrome, generational price bumps, the power of investors and collectors, the difference between projections and reality, and how bad of good Drew Brees really is.

I’ll just say this.... continue these threads and have fun... but realize as the NFL packs stadiums full of 50,000 people who spend $1000s to go to every game every season, spending $1000 on the best RC seems low by comparison.

Maybe rather than berate it like everyone did with Brady, learn from it. And pay attention because Roethlisberger is going to make Brees look like Matt Stafford.

On Tarkenton's stats or that the Saints would have no chance at the Playoff's most years without Brees?

[packerfan4200]

You're joking right?

.....$2500 > $750.......

Joking about what? You could get Aaron Rodgers chrome refractors 2 years ago for less than $200. In June of '16 I won a gold /50 for $600 on eBay.

And I don't see any raw brees chromes going for $2500, seems to be more like half of that and that's being generous for the most part.

Edit: Also, you can't really compare the 2 cards. There is a total of 1,099 Drew Brees chrome rookie cards. There's well over 5-6K Rodgers copies. But my point still stands, a card that has quadrupled in value in 2 years, has pretty much "blown up"

[dfr52]

For people unable to comprehend my point of view. In the golden age of efficiency where guys are throwing more tds and less picks... we have Rodgers at roughly 4:1 overall where only two seasons did the throw double digits.... both of which he was still better than 2:1 and one of those was his first year as a starter. He has years of 45-6, 40-7, 35-9, the list goes on

Brady transformed from the early 00s to a guy who has thrown 50-8, 32-4, 28-2... the list goes on and on

Brees has not sniffed this trend and has years of 22 and 19 interceptions. He has led the league in interceptions while in his age 30’s. Someone referenced 09-11... yea in 10 he threw 33 tds and 22 picks. If a few extra td passes are worth double or triple the interceptions then ok

To compare Brees stat wise directly with Marino, elway, Montana... it’s foolish. The style of play wasn’t the same and efficiency wasn’t the same.... yet in a less efficient league Montana was putting up efficiency numbers at or above Brees throughout the 80s. Marino threw 48-18 in 84, similar to what brees has done in his best seasons. So let’s put brees in perspective to his era and understand guys did what brees has done some seasons almost 30 years ago. Nobody has ever done what Brady and Rodgers have done... EVER

Brees is a first ballot hall of famer and a great QB....but to mention him among Rodgers and Brady is laughable. He does not take care of the ball enough and is not efficient enough to be mentioned among the two

And I think brees is a top 15ish all time q.b... it’s not his fault Brady and Rodgers just happen to fall much higher on the list from an efficiency and statistical standpoint... plus both have way more hardware and Rodgers has 2 mvp awards in 7 less seasons as a starter. Not to mention both play games in frigid weather as the norm and Brees plays in a dome. Brees is great, the other guys are just clearly better

Brees' aggressiveness lends itself to INT's but it also gives the Saints a chance in every game they play. His stats are quite similar to Brady and Rodgers with INT's being the only real difference. Brees and Brady have led the league in passing TD's four times each (Rodgers has done it once). Brees has the highest career completion percentage of the three at 66.9% but Rodgers (65.1%) and Brady (63.9) are close. Rodgers leads the way with a QB Rate of 103.8 but again Brady (97.6) and Brees (96.7) are not that far apart.

The Playoff Number are similar as well:

Brady: 71 TD:31 INT, 62.8%, 90.9 (37 Games)
Rodgers: 36 TD:10 INT, 63.5%, 99.4 (16 Games)
Brees: 29 TD: 9 INT, 65.9%, 100.7 (13 Games)

I do agree that it is impossible compare QB (and WR) play across decades due to the difference in style of play and rule changes.

[jstephens24]

so if a psa 9 is 2000-2500 what would a 9.5 go for these days since it is a pop 6 along with pop 6 PSA 10? 4k?

[bradical]

so if a psa 9 is 2000-2500 what would a 9.5 go for these days since it is a pop 6 along with pop 6 PSA 10? 4k?

I would guess closer to $5k.

[packerfan4200]

so if a psa 9 is 2000-2500 what would a 9.5 go for these days since it is a pop 6 along with pop 6 PSA 10? 4k?

$4K+ for a BGS 9.5 and probably $6K+ for psa 10

[Archangel1775]

so if a psa 9 is 2000-2500 what would a 9.5 go for these days since it is a pop 6 along with pop 6 PSA 10? 4k?

He'll be the considered GOAT once he breaks the stats record. $20K card, all day, every day! Move over Brady! ;)

[deemsterz33]

Joking about what? You could get Aaron Rodgers chrome refractors 2 years ago for less than $200. In June of '16 I won a gold /50 for $600 on eBay.

And I don't see any raw brees chromes going for $2500, seems to be more like half of that and that's being generous for the most part.

Edit: Also, you can't really compare the 2 cards. There is a total of 1,099 Drew Brees chrome rookie cards. There's well over 5-6K Rodgers copies. But my point still stands, a card that has quadrupled in value in 2 years, has pretty much "blown up"

I disagree. When it reaches $1500-2000, then we can say it's blown up. Also, there are way less than 5-6k copies. If that was true there wouldn't be twice as many Brees Refractors on eBay, as is the case right now.

[packerfan4200]

I disagree. When it reaches $1500-2000, then we can say it's blown up. Also, there are way less than 5-6k copies. If that was true there wouldn't be twice as many Brees Refractors on eBay, as is the case right now.

Well as far as total Aaron Rodgers 2005 chrome cards, yes there is 5-6k of them (entire print run) and there is 1,099 Brees. That we know.

As far as "blown up", well I think a card you could buy for $100-200 for 7 years ('10-16), that now costs 500-1000% what it used to, has blown up. I guess we have different opinions on the definition of that, which is fine.

And as I'm typing this, there is a Rodgers copy (not particularly well centered either) ending in 29m, and look at that, it's at exactly $1,250 right now.

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/2m4vy25b.jpeg?0

[deemsterz33]

Well as far as total Aaron Rodgers 2005 chrome cards, yes there is 5-6k of them (entire print run) and there is 1,099 Brees. That we know.

As far as "blown up", well I think a card you could buy for $100-200 for 7 years ('10-16), that now costs 500-1000% what it used to, has blown up. I guess we have different opinions on the definition of that, which is fine.

And as I'm typing this, there is a Rodgers copy (not particularly well centered either) ending in 29m, and look at that, it's at exactly $1,250 right now.

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/2m4vy25b.jpeg?0

Saw that, pretty sure that one isn't getting paid for.

[packerfan4200]

Saw that, pretty sure that one isn't getting paid for.

Would tend to agree with you there at least

[deemsterz33]

Would tend to agree with you there at least

Ended at $1500 lol. Totally makes sense, since there are 2 BGS 9.5s available for $1350 OBO.

[packerfan4200]

Ended at $1500 lol. Totally makes sense, since there are 2 BGS 9.5s available for $1350 OBO.

Yeah that makes a ton of sense lol. That'll be relisted this weekend

[deemsterz33]

Wow, Contenders PSA 9 has been bid up to almost $9000. That's approaching Brady level.

[starvela]

Wow, Contenders PSA 9 has been bid up to almost $9000. That's approaching Brady level.

Isn't there a PSA 9 for $10K with but it now..? Why not just buy that one, instead of bidding $9K, etc.

[deemsterz33]

So I guess the Raw TC Refractor is now a $4000 card?!!!

[MFaulkCollector]

Isn't there a PSA 9 for $10K with but it now..? Why not just buy that one, instead of bidding $9K, etc.

i think it was moved up to 14,999...... probably part of "the plan"

[hawkeyecards]

It's simpler than that. eBay just needs to adjust any NPB auctions to show up as unsold. Or remove them. Not that they have any motivation to do so, but it's an easy fix.

Damn still true today

[deemsterz33]

Aaaand raw Mint copy just sold for $1875. Looks like the pumpers have moved on lol.

[mcgahee21nfl]

3k and counting.... wow thats a steal!!! his bowman chrome golds /99 are only 8grand? sheesh

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Topps-Chrome-Refractor-229-Drew-Brees-Chargers-RC-Rookie-91-999/382548134255?hash=item5911a5496f:g:MukAAOSwI2xbfcZg

[Lothar52]

3700 in a psa 9 with 5 hrs and 18 min to go!!! WOWZA!!!

[pejc300]

Just picked up a base refractor /999 ungraded for $24,000. Feel pretty good about the upside.

[blackandgold]

At the end of the day whoever invested in Drew Brees for the long term -Congrats - you are surely cashing in even if it’s not 1 bajallion million dollars as some trolls on here have pointed out

[cardsharkk]

I bought a PSA 10 contender Rodger this off seaon for $3500! Off season always time to buy! It amazes me how people let these cards go soncheap off season- then when football rolls around they pay double or triple for the SAME CARD

[jstephens24]

9.5 hasn't officially been paid for yet. he has my number and we have been texting. he said he finally got the money yesterday to pay but asking to part trade/cash. Im holding out still just paypal. NPB case already opened and deadline is tomorrow afternoon

[blackandgold]

[QUOTE=jstephens24;13868446]9.5 hasn't officially been paid for yet. he has my number and we have been texting. he said he finally got the money yesterday to pay but asking to part trade/cash. Im holding out still just paypal. NPB case already opened and deadline is tomorrow afternoon[/QUOT

I’m assuming you sold a Topps Chrome ref. If you want to disclose how much we talking?

[jstephens24]

The topps chrome. 10k


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[blackandgold]

The topps chrome. 10k


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Wow! Good luck on him paying for it

[MeteoriteGuy]

At the end of the day whoever invested in Drew Brees for the long term -Congrats - you are surely cashing in even if it’s not 1 bajallion million dollars as some trolls on here have pointed out

Perhaps Mfaulkfan (msp)?

When I put my 2001 UD Graded set together the most expensive cards were the Brees cards. The four Brees cards are now going for about what I have in the whole set, and maybe a little over.

[jstephens24]

Wow! Good luck on him paying for it

yea not holding my breath. obviously I know his name and in text he sent me his work business card. He says he will 100% pay for it. If not Ill be posting his info in members feedback section.

he bought it within the first hour or 2 of listing it after sending a 7k offer and 9k offer. I also received an offer over 5k within that time frame and was told if this guy backs out then to contact him

[MFaulkCollector]

trending on contenders and topps chrome generally leads to huge gains in other areas as well

there is usually a buying pocket in any spike, regardless of what it is...... as people are paying 3k for raw chrome, 5-6k for 8 or 8.5 contenders, 1 k for 8.5 bowman chrome base..... you have cards like the fleer legacy postmark /100 (on card auto, chargers uni) psa 10 that went for 1200 a few nights ago; you have the upper deck ovation /250 (on card auto, pro uni) psa 10 that went for 1450......... there was a fleer game time extra /201 psa 10 that went for just 160 last week......those are all amazing buys in my opinion. there are some great steals to be had for long term holds while everyone is playing grabass with the topps chrome and contenders; also people don't generally pay premiums on psa 9 modern items... we are getting to a point where brees rc's are nearly 20 years old, many are condition sensitive, and he didn't enter the league like manning/moss with sky high expectations. most of his cards were/are being graded 6,8,15 years after product release...... a psa 9 in particular is a great long term grade, bgs is also worth significantly more than raw

players trend similarly.... you only have to be a few weeks ahead of a curve that may have been visible for a year or more to cash in

[MFaulkCollector]

Perhaps Mfaulkfan (msp)?

When I put my 2001 UD Graded set together the most expensive cards were the Brees cards. The four Brees cards are now going for about what I have in the whole set, and maybe a little over.

i sold a lot of my brees collection a few years ago..... but since have built it up again and i'm still looking to buy some of the items i still need

sometime in 2010 i bought a psa 9 brees chrome black /100..... i hated graded cards at this time so i cracked it, held the card for 7 years and then started getting to a point where i wanted to do graded only... so i sent it in with my free psa 2017 subs and it came back a 9 once again... i'm glad that one didn't leave my side

the worse sell was a brees contenders roy auto /50...... got maybe 250 for it, i have to assume that is a 3-4k loss at this point.... i traded and sold 2 different brees chrome /999.... for nothing really, so that's another 6k or so hit

[MeteoriteGuy]

MFaulkCollector...that's who I meant above. Anyway, giving you credit for being way ahead of the curve on Brees.

[rexvos]

I sold everything back in 2010 after Super Bowl to focus on vintage. Thankfully I bought an 01 Chrome bacj around 11. I had an insane collection of RC autos but I am not necessarily an auto collector. I collect cards primarily rcs and vintage.

[jrg1128]

I only invest in baseball, but after checking this thread...Why doesn't Peyton Manning sell for more?

[Siberian13]

I only invest in baseball, but after checking this thread...Why doesn't Peyton Manning sell for more?

Because he sat on that lady's face

[wadedaniel84]

I sold a Score Scoreboard a few years ago for $25 : (

[Boo]

Because he sat on that lady's face

Don't forget he also put his brain on her face.

[DJP73]

Why hasn't his 2002 Sp Authentic took off like Brady's did, there's 3 versions, 2 are numbered.

[Siberian13]

Don't forget he also put his brain on her face.

Something you're all to familiar with. Sorry about the abuse you had to endure :)

[Siberian13]

Why hasn't his 2002 Sp Authentic took off like Brady's did, there's 3 versions, 2 are numbered.

Give it time. They can only pump and dump so many at a time.

[jstephens24]

Well the case closed on my 9.5 chrome and he never paid. About 30 min after it closed he sent me a text and said he bought the other 9.5 listed today for 8K.


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[deemsterz33]

Well the case closed on my 9.5 chrome and he never paid. About 30 min after it closed he sent me a text and said he bought the other 9.5 listed today for 8K.


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What a dbag

[salthill]

Well the case closed on my 9.5 chrome and he never paid. About 30 min after it closed he sent me a text and said he bought the other 9.5 listed today for 8K.


Post his username.

How’d he get your number? I assume you’re comfortable in general doing side deals on eBay listings? Sounds like he knew what he was doing too, because there’s no record of the above message for eBay to review.

[jstephens24]

I posted username in feedback section and more info. He asked through message for my number. We would have completed deal through eBay. Not off of it.


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[deemsterz33]

No surprise that the raw one from Probstein that went for $3000 is already relisted. Such a joke.

[deemsterz33]

Raw and BGS 9 bid up by same buyer about 5 days ago just ended. No more bids after that, doubt they get paid for.

[deemsterz33]

Biggest screw up I've seen by a seller maybe ever. Sold a BGS 8.5 for $19.99.... along with a couple other high end Brees RCs for ridiculous prices.

[SleeperCards]

Biggest screw up I've seen by a seller maybe ever. Sold a BGS 8.5 for $19.99.... along with a couple other high end Brees RCs for ridiculous prices.

Chances it actually goes out to the original purchaser? Probably 0.2%, I'm sure he was hammered with offers as soon as it sold.