First Buzz: 2018 Panini Prizm football cards

[BlowoutBuzz]

First Buzz: 2018 Panini Prizm football cards -- get the basics and see a gallery here >> BlowoutBuzz.com (http://bit.ly/2MDfpqz) #collect #NFL

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[The Accountant]

can't wait!

[Gigantor]

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[escapegoat]

I don’t see any mention of the Retail Blue & Red? Is that mentioned in a different retail only release?

[chrisfaceoff]

Looks very sharp. I cant wait. I will be locking in 2 cases from when this goes live, and then trying my luck for an additional case of FOTL.

I would like them to confirm that low parallels would be present this year in thee FOTL boxes as well before committing to them.

[The Accountant]

i like that they change the parallel colors every year

[HeadstrongRSS]

Hmnn...pretty ugly actually. We sure this isn't Score? LOL

[BlowoutBuzz]

I don’t see any mention of the Retail Blue & Red? Is that mentioned in a different retail only release?

Details here are hobby only for now. Will add retail info when I have it.

[RogerGodahell]

Parallels of the base set and rookies will include Prizm, Hyper (/275), Orange (/249), Light Blue (/199), Red Wave (/149), Blue Scope (/99), Green Crystals (/75), Purple Power (/49), Camo (/25), Gold (/10), Gold Vinyl (/5) and 1/1 Black Finite.

Does this mean there will be base cards and silvers for rookies?

[BlowoutBuzz]

Parallels of the base set and rookies will include Prizm, Hyper (/275), Orange (/249), Light Blue (/199), Red Wave (/149), Blue Scope (/99), Green Crystals (/75), Purple Power (/49), Camo (/25), Gold (/10), Gold Vinyl (/5) and 1/1 Black Finite.

Does this mean there will be base cards and silvers for rookies?

Yes, a Prizm parallel.

[RogerGodahell]

Yes, a Prizm parallel.

They haven't done this before with football right? I know they do in basketball and chasing silvers is what drives the product. In football in the past all rookies have been silvers? They didn't have a base card, Is that right?

[Chris P]

They haven't done this before with football right? I know they do in basketball and chasing silvers is what drives the product. In football in the past all rookies have been silvers? They didn't have a base card, Is that right?

Nah.i know 2015 had silver parallels..have a base mariotta

[BlowoutBuzz]

They haven't done this before with football right? I know they do in basketball and chasing silvers is what drives the product. In football in the past all rookies have been silvers? They didn't have a base card, Is that right?

I believe they all had standard Prizms in earliest years and then moved toward the RCs default to Prizms recently.

[chrisfaceoff]

I believe they all had standard Prizms in earliest years and then moved toward the RCs default to Prizms recently.

This is correct

[Siberian13]

2012-2015 had base and silver
2016-2017 had silvers as the base

I think

[Siberian13]

https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-Panini-prizm-NFL-rookie-autos-mayfield.jpg

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[Siberian13]

Maybe these look better in hand???

[bojesphob]

Well, I keep selling off Prizm stuff, and 2018 is previewed. I can say I'm not a fan of that design compared to 2014/2012 (my two favorite designs), just seems like they made 2017 more busy instead of cleaning it up

[cking]

There is die cut parallels this year as well

Rainbows are now going to be double the normal amount and have 2 diffrent 1/1s

Black finite and die cut black finite

[gamboooler]

Looks like a gas pedal.

[twisty571]

There is die cut parallels this year as well

Rainbows are now going to be double the normal amount and have 2 diffrent 1/1s

Black finite and die cut black finite

No just the "hobby only colors" Light Blue & Orange is what I am reading? I also like they made the Scopes Blue this year!

The Basics: There will once again be nine serial-numbered Prizm inserts per box along with 24 Rookie Cards, four inserts and one basic rookie or Prizm parallel per box. ... A hobby-only inclusion this year will be rookie patch auto Prizms with Purple Power (/50 max) parallels as well as Gold (/10) and 1/1 Black Finite cards. These combine to fall one per case. ... New this season will be new Trifecta, the 2018 Hall of Fame Tribute, Grit and Apex inserts as well as Rookie Introductions, Instant Impact, Hype, and Illumination cards. ... Parallels of the base set and rookies will include Prizm, Hyper (/275), Orange (/249), Light Blue (/199), Red Wave (/149), Blue Scope (/99), Green Crystals (/75), Purple Power (/49), Camo (/25), Gold (/10), Gold Vinyl (/5) and 1/1 Black Finite. There also will be diecut parallels with Light Blue and Orange cards only found in hobby packs. ... Other inserts will include Stained Glass wth Gold Mojo (/10) and 1/1 Black Finite versions, which will also be the case for Hype and likely other inserts. ... The Rookie Patch Autos will be limited to 99 copies or less, while standard rookie autos will have Red Wave (/199), Blue Scope (/99), Green Crystals (/75), Purple Power (/49), Camo (/25), Gold (/10), Gold Vinyl (/5) and 1/1 Black Finite versions. ... Boxes will once again carry a suggested retail price of $120 ($10 per pack).

[Earlsnake07]

FUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY

So....if Optic looks good, no need for a Prizm/Optic battle thread this year IMO.

[RogerGodahell]

FUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY

So....if Optic looks good, no need for a Prizm/Optic battle thread this year IMO.

You'll grow to love them as time passes :)

[Earlsnake07]

You'll grow to love them as time passes :)

Lol.....

I am actually a Prizm>Optic person....but this design is hideous!!!!!!

[TWard]

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[phil]

I don’t see any mention of the Retail Blue & Red? Is that mentioned in a different retail only release?


Not sure what they are doing for parallels in Blasters etc. but do know they are not making a 24 count retail box this year.

[nera20]

I really like the design of this, the parallels should look good as well

[The Accountant]

Not sure what they are doing for parallels in Blasters etc. but do know they are not making a 24 count retail box this year.

how do you know that?

[Edreedballhawk]

Lol.....

I am actually a Prizm>Optic person....but this design is hideous!!!!!!

No where near as hideous as those lame posed Rated rookies imo. Not big on this years design either, so hopefully that changes when I see more previews.

[BlowoutBuzz]

No just the "hobby only colors" Light Blue & Orange is what I am reading? I also like they made the Scopes Blue this year!

There could be more. Their preview info is not comprehensive/definitive -- always leaves stuff open to there being more stuff included.

[TheFrenzy]

Looks like a gas pedal.

It’s pronounced “pri-zoom.”

[phil]

how do you know that?


via a retail distributor

[cking]

There could be more. Their preview info is not comprehensive/definitive -- always leaves stuff open to there being more stuff included.

That's they way I took it as well. That there is die cut parallels for all colors but orange and blue were in hobby packs only.

[rmw10]

It sounds stupid but I absolutely hate the stripes the circle around on the left top corner. Other than that, I dig the design this year. Similar feel to the last 2 years, which I've liked.

[twisty571]

There could be more. Their preview info is not comprehensive/definitive -- always leaves stuff open to there being more stuff included.

That's they way I took it as well. That there is die cut parallels for all colors but orange and blue were in hobby packs only.

I sincerely hope they don't, I also don't see anything mentioned for the regular Auto parallel but am reading they are pumping up production of the auto jersey with parallel's?

[Fenway55]

I think it is a good looking card.

[cking]

I sincerely hope they don't, I also don't see anything mentioned for the regular Auto parallel but am reading they are pumping up production of the auto jersey with parallel's?

I agree. For once I actually hope I am wrong. And I like die cut cards but come on already. Its just to much.

[Mitch]

This has sort of blown my excitement for this set to be honest. Don't like the design; seems a little overdone and busy.

Will wait until I see a few actual cards maybe as the mockups aren't always the best representation.

[phil]

via a retail distributor


Of course although no 24 pack retail they will probably do an 18 pack Fast Break "Hobby" box and print 10000 cases.

[deltapi1049]

Someone needs to explain to me why Prizm is the set they choose to make with stickers and the garbage Optic Rated Rookies with those goofy ass pictures get the on card. Should be the other way around. Ill wait for Prizm if I have to, although Im guessing the minimum guarantees due Q3 require a big production like Prizm to get the money up to par where it is.

[OKCthunder]

Longing for the days of Topps and Bowman Finest/Chrome

[blackbears86]

]Longing for the days of Topps and Bowman Finest/Chrome[/B]



Yup...You and about 95% of the collectors on this board, myself included.

[phil]

$150/box now

[Siberian13]

$150/box now

They will continue to rise in price.

[Grid]

Someone needs to explain to me why Prizm is the set they choose to make with stickers and the garbage Optic Rated Rookies with those goofy ass pictures get the on card. Should be the other way around. Ill wait for Prizm if I have to, although Im guessing the minimum guarantees due Q3 require a big production like Prizm to get the money up to par where it is.

If they gave Optic better pics with on card autos and shipped earlier, people would stop buying Prizm and flock to that brand.

Panini is just stretching the heard of shoppers.

I'm sure they are hoping the addicts will end up buying both.

[Siberian13]

If they gave Optic better pics with on card autos and shipped earlier, people would stop buying Prizm and flock to that brand.

Panini is just stretching the heard of shoppers.

I'm sure they are hoping the addicts will end up buying both.

I think that's why they don't want on card autos in prizm. Why give the consumer exactly what they want. It might make them buy less of other ones. They know how to handle their addicts. :)!

[silverandblack]

$150/box now

What did it start at? People are going to get crushed at 150 a box

[phil]

What did it start at? People are going to get crushed at 150 a box


I didn't notice if Blowout actually had any listed yesterday. Competitor had it briefly at $120.

[Siberian13]

What did it start at? People are going to get crushed at 150 a box

MSRP from Panini is usually $120 each year recently. It's what FOTL sells for too.

[KevJo]

They need to start adding the RC on these.

Kevin

[Siberian13]

They need to start adding the RC on these.

Kevin

They are on the non-autos. Just not on the autos I guess.

[chrisfaceoff]

Now at $170.

I was going to buy 2 cases, but this is absurd.

[HogFan87]

Now at $170.

I was going to buy 2 cases, but this is absurd.

Agreed... Was going to grab 2 cases, now its direct from Panini, FOTL and PYT for me. Pretty pissed at the whole preorder process for this right now.

[chrisfaceoff]

The difference we would be paying is almost the price of a 3rd case.

...so much for "Suggested price"

[HogFan87]

The difference we would be paying is almost the price of a 3rd case.

...so much for "Suggested price"

Is the preorder process for baseball like this? I would think they would be at MSRP right out the gate and creep up as it gets closer to release with a "hot product."

[phil]

Is the preorder process for baseball like this? I would think they would be at MSRP right out the gate and creep up as it gets closer to release with a "hot product."

Not anymore on hot products. See 2018 Bowman Chrome.

[The Accountant]

i see its going to be a fun year to open football boxes :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Siberian13]

Now at $170.

I was going to buy 2 cases, but this is absurd.

It’s going higher!!!! Lol

[HogFan87]

I predict FOTL is going to blow up.

[Siberian13]

I predict FOTL is going to blow up.

It already has. Where have you been?

[Siberian13]

Buying singles never felt so good! $170 for that garbage lol

[HogFan87]

It already has. Where have you been?

For Prizm football.. Last year it didn't sell out for a few weeks. :cool:

[chrisfaceoff]

For Prizm football.. Last year it didn't sell out for a few weeks. :cool:

Yep. I got mine so easily. If I can’t get it for a reasonable price, I’m completely out. I love to bust boxes and cases but this is an absolute slaughter at this price.

[phil]

For Prizm football.. Last year it didn't sell out for a few weeks. :cool:



And this year it will sell out in 2 minutes

[Fenway55]

Yep. I got mine so easily. If I can’t get it for a reasonable price, I’m completely out. I love to bust boxes and cases but this is an absolute slaughter at this price.
I will be busting some of this product, but I am not so sure it is a slaughter. I think there will be a lot of value gotten back in selling base sets. I am not quite sure where to price them yet, maybe around $125 or so..... but that's not a bad return on just the base cards before I even start going into parallels and hits....

[HogFan87]

Buying singles never felt so good! $170 for that garbage lol

Singles are going to be the way to go this year. At least we know the product will be busted via group breaks.

[Siberian13]

For Prizm football.. Last year it didn't sell out for a few weeks. :cool:

FOTL was fairly new concept then. Now every product across all sports goes like hot cakes. :cool:

[HogFan87]

FOTL was fairly new concept then. Now every product across all sports goes like hot cakes. :cool:

Whats going to sell out quicker this year, FOTL Prizm football or basketball?

[Siberian13]

Singles are going to be the way to go this year. At least we know the product will be busted via group breaks.

Group breakers are my favorite people in the hobby. The biggest addicts. They bust so we don’t have to. Then we can buy their hits for cheap so they can have more funds to gamble again. Love those guys! :)

[Fenway55]

Group breakers are my favorite people in the hobby. The biggest addicts. They bust so we don’t have to. Then we can buy their hits for cheap so they can have more funds to gamble again. Love those guys! :)
You're welcome. :D

[Siberian13]

Whats going to sell out quicker this year, FOTL Prizm football or basketball?

Depends on if the system crashed again. Basketball took a while since no one could use their website :)

[phil]

Whats going to sell out quicker this year, FOTL Prizm football or basketball?


Probably NFL since the website is more likely to crash with NBA.

[phil]

FWIW Origins FOTL sold out in under 4 minutes, and Prizm will likely have at least double the number of people trying to get it.

[blackbears86]

I was in for 2 boxes of this at $150 or less.


At $170 I am totally out.

[gorillaz]

The most interesting thing:

1 base or rookie prizm per box. Curious how this will go.

[Siberian13]

The most interesting thing:

1 base or rookie prizm per box. Curious how this will go.

So the football silver craziness begins?

[Fenway55]

The most interesting thing:

1 base or rookie prizm per box. Curious how this will go.
That's the part I didn't understand. I thought all RC's are Prizms.

Man I am getting my terminology mixed up. So many releases!! So many parallels!! So confused!!
:D :D

[Siberian13]

That's the part I didn't understand. I thought all RC's are Prizms.

Man I am getting my terminology mixed up. So many releases!! So many parallels!! So confused!!
:D :D

There’s only 37 parallels this year. Should be easy

[chrisfaceoff]

Found them elsewhere for under $150. I usually give Blowout my money if my LCS cant get me what i'm looking for, but I'm not a fan of how they handled this for the few hours today. Thats rather upsetting, so I locked in for 2 cases. I dot mind paying a little bit more, and would keep my business here, but saving myself nearly $500 is a different story.

[chrisfaceoff]

So the football silver craziness begins?

I thought the initial release said 1 per pack?

[Siberian13]

Found them elsewhere for under $150. I usually give Blowout my money if my LCS cant get me what i'm looking for, but I'm not a fan of how they handled this for the few hours today. Thats rather upsetting, so I locked in for 2 cases. I dot mind paying a little bit more, and would keep my business here, but saving myself nearly $500 is a different story.

Could anyone ever get it at $120 a box?

[chrisfaceoff]

That's the part I didn't understand. I thought all RC's are Prizms.

Man I am getting my terminology mixed up. So many releases!! So many parallels!! So confused!!
:D :D

The past 2 years the rookies were all Prizms, before that there was both a base and prizm parallel.

Hope that helps.

[chrisfaceoff]

Could anyone ever get it at $120 a box?

I checked a few times yesterday because they said it was "coming soon" and I never once saw it listed. I didn't get a chance to check too much this morning because i was busy with reports at work.

[Siberian13]

I thought the initial release said 1 per pack?

“There will once again be nine serial-numbered Prizm inserts per box along with 24 Rookie Cards, four inserts and one basic rookie or Prizm parallel per box.”

Not sure what that means.

[chrisfaceoff]

it almost seems like they screwed up in saying box instead of pack

[bedler]

I bought 2 cases myself at $1800 per... It'll be fun either way lol

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[auctionjmm]

For $170 I'd rather buy 17 rack packs or 8 blaster boxes. Another one of those products where you have to give strong consideration to retail over hobby.

[bojesphob]

I will be busting some of this product, but I am not so sure it is a slaughter. I think there will be a lot of value gotten back in selling base sets. I am not quite sure where to price them yet, maybe around $125 or so..... but that's not a bad return on just the base cards before I even start going into parallels and hits....

This will really depend. Some boxes of Prizm have been really good, but most I've either purchased myself or watched in breaks (around 80-85%) are really bad. One case of Jumbo that I bought at the 2015 cheap price of 1000 (it's now at something like 2k) had I'd say one or two cards that were worth more than 5 bucks. It was TERRIBLE. One gold, a couple tie dyed, no finites, and all of the autos were scrubs except one camo bridgewater. I also had a case of hobby from the same year that had 2 gold Teddy Bridgewaters (1 base and 1 auto) and a finite Faulk.... and I paid about 400 for that case. Panini is really bad with Prizm in that either you get enough to cover the case cost 3x with 2 cards, or it's so bad you could sell every card in the case for as much as you could get, and you wouldn't have 1/3 of the price of the case (the latter being far more likely).

[Fenway55]

This will really depend. Some boxes of Prizm have been really good, but most I've either purchased myself or watched in breaks (around 80-85%) are really bad. One case of Jumbo that I bought at the 2015 cheap price of 1000 (it's now at something like 2k) had I'd say one or two cards that were worth more than 5 bucks. It was TERRIBLE. One gold, a couple tie dyed, no finites, and all of the autos were scrubs except one camo bridgewater. I also had a case of hobby from the same year that had 2 gold Teddy Bridgewaters (1 base and 1 auto) and a finite Faulk.... and I paid about 400 for that case. Panini is really bad with Prizm in that either you get enough to cover the case cost 3x with 2 cards, or it's so bad you could sell every card in the case for as much as you could get, and you wouldn't have 1/3 of the price of the case (the latter being far more likely).
That'll be the cases I get. :( :( :(

[phil]

This will really depend. Some boxes of Prizm have been really good, but most I've either purchased myself or watched in breaks (around 80-85%) are really bad. One case of Jumbo that I bought at the 2015 cheap price of 1000 (it's now at something like 2k) had I'd say one or two cards that were worth more than 5 bucks. It was TERRIBLE. One gold, a couple tie dyed, no finites, and all of the autos were scrubs except one camo bridgewater. I also had a case of hobby from the same year that had 2 gold Teddy Bridgewaters (1 base and 1 auto) and a finite Faulk.... and I paid about 400 for that case. Panini is really bad with Prizm in that either you get enough to cover the case cost 3x with 2 cards, or it's so bad you could sell every card in the case for as much as you could get, and you wouldn't have 1/3 of the price of the case (the latter being far more likely).



Blame Garoppolo for the current price of 2014. It wasn't all that long ago Blowout had cases of Hobby as BF doorbusters for $299

[bojesphob]

Blame Garoppolo for the current price of 2014. It wasn't all that long ago Blowout had Hobby cases as BF doorbusters for $299

I got a few at that price! Yeah, I'm kind of hoping that he sucks just so that I can get some more Jumbo stuff cheap to get that stupid Scott Tolzien pink I need!

[blackbears86]

For $170 I'd rather buy 17 rack packs or 8 blaster boxes. Another one of those products where you have to give strong consideration to retail over hobby.





Yes, and Yes.....


Looks like another retail grab.

[RogerGodahell]

So the football silver craziness begins?

Tempting but i have to hold out for basketball. Football is weak compared to the Prizm basketball madness.

[Siberian13]

Tempting but i have to hold out for basketball. Football is weak compared to the Prizm basketball madness.

How many silvers per box in basketball?

[RogerGodahell]

How many silvers per box in basketball?

I don't remember. But the resale value is soo much better. Way better odds of pulling something valuable. I can't wait for FOTL Prizm crash the servers day.

[RogerGodahell]

I'll probably pre order a couple cases. That's a can't go wrong product if you can get in early. 2017 $400 a hobby box now....pffff ha absolute madness.

[mma138]

Hmnn...pretty ugly actually. We sure this isn't Score? LOL

the church window parallel is pretty cool .

[chrisfaceoff]

the church window parallel is pretty cool .

They had them last year as well. They look very nice in hand.

[pazerbaijan]

the church window parallel is pretty cool .

They had them last year as well. They look very nice in hand.

I think they debuted in 2015 Prizm Collegiate Draft Picks, but none of the inserts from that set had any parallels. The Stained Glass inserts this year are supposed to have /10 and 1/1 parallels.

https://img.comc.com/i/Football/2015/Panini-Prizm-Collegiate-Draft-Picks---Stained-Glass/2/Aaron-Rodgers.jpg?id=6fbcf4b6-1cc2-4682-8d89-2e6884c7731d&size=original (https://www.comc.com/Cards/Football/2015/Panini_Prizm_Collegiate_Draft_Picks_-_Stained_Glass/2/Aaron_Rodgers/10439896)
2015 Panini Prizm Collegiate Draft Picks - Stained Glass #2 - Aaron Rodgers
Courtesy of COMC.com (https://www.comc.com)

[bojesphob]

I think they debuted in 2015 Prizm Collegiate Draft Picks, but none of the inserts from that set had any parallels. The Stained Glass inserts this year are supposed to have /10 and 1/1 parallels.

https://img.comc.com/i/Football/2015/Panini-Prizm-Collegiate-Draft-Picks---Stained-Glass/2/Aaron-Rodgers.jpg?id=6fbcf4b6-1cc2-4682-8d89-2e6884c7731d&size=original (https://www.comc.com/Cards/Football/2015/Panini_Prizm_Collegiate_Draft_Picks_-_Stained_Glass/2/Aaron_Rodgers/10439896)
2015 Panini Prizm Collegiate Draft Picks - Stained Glass #2 - Aaron Rodgers
Courtesy of COMC.com (https://www.comc.com)

Stained Glass from 17 had the Gold Mojo /10 and finite as well.

[The Accountant]

im glad they are keeping the stained glass. im almost complete on my 2015 set

[Grid]

im glad they are keeping the stained glass. im almost complete on my 2015 set

At this rate you will have the 2018 set done in 2027

[chrisfaceoff]

Yet another jump...$175 now

[Siberian13]

Yet another jump...$175 now

Come on $200!!! Almost there

[chrisfaceoff]

Ha, if it gets that high, I might just flip my cases. $1200 profit sounds like a lot of fun.

[Siberian13]

Ha, if it gets that high, I might just flip my cases. $1200 profit sounds like a lot of fun.

You better if it gets that high. Wonder how high FOTL prizm boxes will get?

[BlowoutBuzz]

Added a number of new images to the gallery >> BlowoutBuzz.com (https://www.blowoutcards.com/blog/first-buzz-2018-panini-prizm-football-cards/)

https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/panini-america-2018-prizm-football-sam-darnold.jpg

[Siberian13]

Sam Darnold at the barbershop?

[cardmole]

Sam Darnold at the barbershop?

Good one...lol
Barbershop Prizm #ed a hair over 999

[bojesphob]

yay, they brought the old school hologram background they were putting in unparralleled into this...

[majestik101]

Buying singles never felt so good! $170 for that garbage lol

Agreed. I can't see dumping money into boxes. I got 4 of the gold prizm /10 RPA's last year for about the price of a box. lol

[Scottish Punk]

I hope these look better in hand. Not feeling the design at all.

[blackbears86]

Who's in at $175 per???


Be honest! this is a no judgement thread!

[Siberian13]

Who's in at $175 per???


Be honest! this is a no judgement thread!

Staying level at $175 huh. The hype is dying

[cardmole]

Staying level at $175 huh. The hype is dying

I'm only in for FOTL at $120. No way I'm paying more for this stuff.
Unlike basketball, retail of this probably will suck pretty much too.

[RogerGodahell]

Is anyone buying this for $200 box?

[Siberian13]

Is anyone buying this for $200 box?

$189.95 currently

[nera20]

got my case at 117 a box

[Siberian13]

It says October 24th. Is that correct? Or being pushed back? Will they have FOTL?

[RogerGodahell]

It says October 24th. Is that correct? Or being pushed back? Will they have FOTL?

Im down for FOTL if i can get any. That's about it. It's so tough though some people get a bunch and most people get none. They should do a lottery or something i dunno just throwing ideas out there.

[ninjacookies]

Im down for FOTL if i can get any. That's about it. It's so tough though some people get a bunch and most people get none. They should do a lottery or something i dunno just throwing ideas out there.

Same. FOTL only for me. I guess that's sort of the draw of FOTL and why it commands such a secondary market premium, is because it's so hard to attain.

I'm at least thankful they got rid of the instant buy button on the latest immaculate BKB release. Gave more of an even playing field for that....2 and a half minutes or so.

[trixstar]

2300.00 a case for prizm

https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/lol_vladimir_putin.gif

[blackandgold]

Kinda confused on what’s driving the price up Saquon Barkley is legit Maybe Baker Mayfield Who else after that?

[tjforce]

Kinda confused on what’s driving the price up Saquon Barkley is legit Maybe Baker Mayfield Who else after that?

You still have Darnold, Rosen and Josh Allen starting as rookies.

Guys like Sony Michel, Phillip Lindsey and Calvin Ridley have done some stuff on the field also.

[Siberian13]

You still have Darnold, Rosen and Josh Allen starting as rookies.

Guys like Sony Michel, Phillip Lindsey and Calvin Ridley have done some stuff on the field also.

Those guys are driving the price up? Hahahaha. That’s just sad.

[majestik101]

Those guys are driving the price up? Hahahaha. That’s just sad.

All future first ballot HOF'ers

[Siberian13]

All future first ballot HOF'ers

60% markup makes so much sense. Does this mean if one of these QBs starts going crazy then these will be $250-300. Ouch

[RogerGodahell]

I like Prizm but it's too expensive for what it is. It's a topps chrome replacement and that was what $70? And no on card autos.

[Onepocketj]

I like Prizm but it's too expensive for what it is. It's a topps chrome replacement and that was what $70? And no on card autos.

Not to defend Panini but you DO get more autos per box. Plus it's 144 cards (12 packs of 12) instead of 96 cards (24 packs of 4)

[tjforce]

Those guys are driving the price up? Hahahaha. That’s just sad.

I don't know that they are driving up the price per se, but you have Baker and Barkley leading the way with these guys as support.

[daviswr7]

The price is being driven by a format change imho...they’re taking a basketball approach to the silvers. It’s ridiculous but I believe that is a huge factor in these prices

[blackbears86]

still waiting for info on retail. little surprised nothing yet this close to release date.

[TheFrenzy]

R E L E V A N T

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[Fenway55]

The price is being driven by a format change imho...they’re taking a basketball approach to the silvers. It’s ridiculous but I believe that is a huge factor in these prices
I don't follow basketball, so what is the "basketball approach" to silvers that you are talking of here?

[Siberian13]

I don't follow basketball, so what is the "basketball approach" to silvers that you are talking of here?

Last year football base rookies were silvers/refractors. In basketball they have base rookie that don’t refract and the silvers/refractors. Those are highly coveted in basketball. Supposed to be harder to get but seems like they’ve cranked up the presses in basketball on those. There are tons of Mahomes silver refractors from last year since they were base cards.

[oldgoldy97]

I don’t think football collectors are as gullible as basketball collectors.

Or possibly they don’t have as much foresight? Depends how you look at it.

[RogerGodahell]

The price is being driven by a format change imho...they’re taking a basketball approach to the silvers. It’s ridiculous but I believe that is a huge factor in these prices

You're probably right.

I don't follow basketball, so what is the "basketball approach" to silvers that you are talking of here?

If you don't follow basketball, Prizm is nuts in BB. They go bonkers for it. Silvers (refractors) without autos go for several hundred dollars for the top rookies. Resale is very good. It's like when topps chrome was relevant in football except 100x as popular.

[Fenway55]

Last year football base rookies were silvers/refractors. In basketball they have base rookie that don’t refract and the silvers/refractors. Those are highly coveted in basketball. Supposed to be harder to get but seems like they’ve cranked up the presses in basketball on those. There are tons of Mahomes silver refractors from last year since they were base cards.
Thanks for the info. It irritates me to no end that the title of the set is the same as the title of a parallel. If I am looking for a Prizm parallel of Saquon and do a search on "Saquon Barkley Prizm" then I get any card he has from the entire set (not to mention Prizms from other releases)…. and as a seller, I try to be accurate in my listings to avoid confusion, but I just don't know any other way to handle it....

[RogerGodahell]

I actually like that silvers are so sought after in basketball. Im kind of sick of the auto chasing to be honest. It's refreshing.

[daviswr7]

Yea the short and sweet of it is that all rookies in the PAST have been "silvers".

That is not the case anymore. There are BASE rookie cards now. "Silver" parallel's will be much harder to hit. Just like basketball.

It's a clever move by Panini, in an effort to get people to care more about Silver Football RC's. It may work in the beginning, but the reality is that basketball is just so much more collected then football.

[IronMonkey415]

So in other words, I should save my money for another product.

[RogerGodahell]

Yea the short and sweet of it is that all rookies in the PAST have been "silvers".

That is not the case anymore. There are BASE rookie cards now. "Silver" parallel's will be much harder to hit. Just like basketball.

It's a clever move by Panini, in an effort to get people to care more about Silver Football RC's. It may work in the beginning, but the reality is that basketball is just so much more collected then football.

I agree the demand just isn't there for football. But it will be decent for quarterbacks. One day people will look back and wonder why pre 2018 Silvers aren't worth as much as 2018 going forward.

[oldgoldy97]

Pre-bought some for $135. I thought that was a little steep at the time.

[RogerGodahell]

So in other words, I should save my money for another product.

No im not saying that at all. It will still be good, an upgrade over previous years of Prizm. Just not nearly as good as basketball imo. I think it will still be a great product. Overpriced, but one of the best that's available in Football.

[oldgoldy97]

Actually I knew that was a good price.

[RogerGodahell]

Pre-bought some for $135. I thought that was a little steep at the time.

From Blowout? That's a great deal.

[daviswr7]

So in other words, I should save my money for another product.

At the current price point....yea probably.

Let’s remember that cost on this is just a smidge over $90! Chew on that while ur buying the group break spots:)

[RogerGodahell]

Yeah the price has been jacked up by the distributors and 3rd parties. It's a shame too because it is a good product. Who doesn't like Prizm? It's just getting to the point it's absurdly expensive.

[Silverandgold]

Yeah the price has been jacked up by the distributors and 3rd parties. It's a shame too because it is a good product. Who doesn't like Prizm? It's just getting to the point it's absurdly expensive.

It's third party, distributors are under $100

[RogerGodahell]

It's third party, distributors are under $100

So card shop owners can still get them at this price? Someone hook me up. :)

[Silverandgold]

So card shop owners can still get them at this price? Someone hook me up. :)

They are allocated like most products. However, yes your shop definitely got for under 100

[RogerGodahell]

Well i would like to place a very large pre order for Prizm basketball if i had a connection to a dealer.:)

[daviswr7]

So card shop owners can still get them at this price? Someone hook me up. :)

As a shop we were alotted a whopping 8 boxes. That’s the total we get from TWO distributors combined. Gets worse every year...

[oldgoldy97]

As a shop we were alotted a whopping 8 boxes. That’s the total we get from TWO distributors combined. Gets worse every year...

So honestly it’s the distributors shafting everyone?

[JWBlue]

Sharp!

[daviswr7]

So honestly it’s the distributors shafting everyone?

Yes. It is 100% NOT PANINI. They sell at cost to distributors and direct accounts. Whoever gets them second is to blame for high costs.

On MANY occasions (and I have said this before) I get offered hot products a day or so after release from distributors at eBay pricing. I imagine a few days after Prizm football releases at least one of my distributors will magically have some available at $175. At which I will tell them to kick rocks like I do every time.

[oldgoldy97]

Yes. It is 100% NOT PANINI. They sell at cost to distributors and direct accounts. Whoever gets them second is to blame for high costs.

On MANY occasions (and I have said this before) I get offered hot products a day or so after release from distributors at eBay pricing. I imagine a few days after Prizm football releases at least one of my distributors will magically have some available at $175. At which I will tell them to kick rocks like I do every time.

I knew it wasn’t Panini. I don’t see why they even need distributors.

[nera20]

hopefully one day its just all buying straight from the panini or topps websites for everything

[daviswr7]

I knew it wasn’t Panini. I don’t see why they even need distributors.

Yea, I guess the better answer is simply "Whoever gets them Direct from Panini". Whether it's Blowout, DA, SSC, SH, GTS, Direct Accounts that breakers have or LCS have.....

Without upsetting the BO powers that be.... There influence on price is stronger then anywhere else...by alot.

[Siberian13]

hopefully one day its just all buying straight from the panini or topps websites for everything

Would make more sense

[RogerGodahell]

So honestly it’s the distributors shafting everyone?

I've heard the distributors force you to buy their junk products in order to be allocated the good stuff. No junk no good stuff.

[IronMonkey415]

It is true, they do require you to buy many of the lower end or hard to sell product.

That is what I've heard from many people.

[daviswr7]

I've heard the distributors force you to buy their junk products in order to be allocated the good stuff. No junk no good stuff.

This is 100% true. Our prizm, bowman, National treasures are all based on how much garbage we buy the rest of the year. It’s a tough balancing act ur LCSs are doing with this stuff.

[oldgoldy97]

That allows for junk products.

Or, in hockey’s case, 75% of the stuff from UD.

[RogerGodahell]

Panini is perfect for blockchain! No more middleman. Ok...no one knows what im talking about.

[Jackg1980]

hopefully one day its just all buying straight from the panini or topps websites for everything

People only say this about product that goes up. Truth is distributerd lose on a ton of product. So are you willing to buy Vertex, score, prestige in order to get Prizm? Probably not.

Blowout, panini nor distributors dictate the going rate of product. If so, wouldnt you think all products will go up? What sets the prices for products or cards is the secondary market (me, you and rest of Hobby)

[codered]

I love how people complain about distributors/lcs’s making money off popular/hot products, Yet some of these people will be the same to rush to the FOTL boxes so they can flip them on eBay for profit lol. Distributors and lcs’s do take losses on some of the crappy less desirable products so I’m not upset that they make a little extra when they can. The whole model is broke to be honest. Everyone is to blame and no one is to blame.

[oldgoldy97]

People only say this about product that goes up. Truth is distributerd lose on a ton of product. So are you willing to buy Vertex, score, prestige in order to get Prizm? Probably not.

Blowout, panini nor distributors dictate the going rate of product. If so, wouldnt you think all products will go up? What sets the prices for products or cards is the secondary market (me, you and rest of Hobby)

It’s not really setting the market when a product is first listed at 50% or more higher than SRP.

[RogerGodahell]

Why do they need distributors at all?

[Jackg1980]

I love how people complain about distributors/lcs’s making money off popular/hot products, Yet some of these people will be the same to rush to the FOTL boxes so they can flip them on eBay for profit lol. Distributors and lcs’s do take losses on some of the crappy less desirable products so I’m not upset that they make a little extra when they can. The whole model is broke to be honest. Everyone is to blame and no one is to blame.

Yep, people are quick to complain when a product goods up. But it only goes up because of the market which is controlled by the people!

When a profit has to be sold at a huge loss, you don’t hear a peep, and are more then willing to buy a product are your loss.

[Jackg1980]

It’s not really setting the market when a product is first listed at 50% or more higher than SRP.

Is people buy it then yes it is. If they didn’t it will go down.

[cypher]

Bring back MAPP pricing.

[hawkeyecards]

Panini is perfect for blockchain! No more middleman. Ok...no one knows what im talking about.
Blockchain would be great for Panini, maybe VeChain ;)
It'd be good for PSA and BGS to get rid of any fakes.

Pricing on the cases and boxes are ridiculous. Case breakers are definitely ruining and hyper inflating everything. Why do you need distributors at all is the right thing, why can't Panini sell everything on their site and have consistent pricing. I understand it goes up and down but I'm tired of seeing, for example, 2017 Optic Football, which was $900/case at first, advertised for $1720 and cut down from $1850. Not once was it every $1850.

[Maxim104]

Anyone know what the blue retail refractors are numbered out of? They aren’t numbered but does anyone know if they are SSP? And how many?

[chasacar86]

Anyone know what the blue retail refractors are numbered out of? They aren’t numbered but does anyone know if they are SSP? And how many?

Feels like it’s about 10

[Maxim104]

Thanks.

[HeadstrongRSS]

I think more distributor contact info needs to be taken and produced online. It should be pitchfork time. These greedy distributor POS have decided that the value and profit potential of the hobby is for ONLY THEM. So they need to be targeted and made to feel like the scumbags they are IMO. My LCS got HOSED this year. Got zero prizm, only 2 boxes optic, after buying crap product after crap.