BGS Grading current/future market value-prices

[brios8]

Hi, wanted to see what you think regarding the future market for BGS graded cards.
They decided to cancel 10 day services about 3 months ago. Prices were about $11.50+ $1 autos for 10 day service. Now the best option is 20 day service at $15+ $2 autos.

If you send bulk orders of 100+cards you immediately notice the increase in $ and double the grading time..

I believe if the market adjusts and people pay more for a BGS card then its worth grading as you would see that money you paid for, but as of this past 3 months, I havent seen people pay more for graded cards even though now its more expensive..

Any thoughts as to what we can ecpect in the next few months? Will people pay more for them? Will Beckett be forced to lower prices again? Will grading only be worth it for collectors and not reselling? Or would it only be worth to send expensive cards to be graded?

I dont know what to do.. love grading, but this prices tell me to stay away :(

[jrg1128]

The higher the value of the card, the bigger the gap between price of a graded 9.5 vs raw. I have bought a lot of $5-$10 bowman autos in bgs 9.5 or psa 10 form for $20ish. The lower priced cards aren't worth grading IMO unless it is a card that's tough to get a good grade or you are one of the first to grade.

[brios8]

Exactly. Now a $10 card gets $20bgs 9.5

While it costs $17 to grade, plus shipping both ways/insurance/time etc

When it was $10 to grade then at least you broke even. Now unless you get a BGS10 you will loose $

[marlinsmaniac20]

Psa all the way

[speedyjg13]

Psa all the way

Why?.......

[Dacopps]

I stopped using Beckett almost a year ago for many of the reasons you mentioned. Plus their customer service is terrible and nobody there seems to care at all. Unless you want to buy their price guide services which are an absolute joke anyway in terms of actual market value.

I went to PSA and bought the Platinum level which came with 15 grading certificates. Used those vouchers to see if I would like them and see what their service was like. I’m never going back to BGS.

PSA did a great job for me. They shipped my order before it was due and didn’t charge my credit card until my order was ready to ship. The one thing I will say is they take anywhere between 7-12 days on average to check their received packages into their database. So the clock won’t start until they put your order into their system.

I also find that PSA 10 (Gem Mint) sell for a premium over a BGS 9.5. And you don’t have to pay the extra money to have the autograph graded. I never understood why people want to pay more when you are “guaranteed” the Auto is Authentic from the card company regardless. I can use my eyes to see if an Auto is clean or not. I don’t need somebody to up charge me to tell me it is streaky.

It should also be noted that if you sign up for the PSA club, you can have access to bulk pricing which takes it down to $10 per card if you submit 50 cards or more. Next discount drops it to $8 per card if you submit 100 cards. Both are a 65 day submission. They are getting rid of their ten day bulk service as of 09/01/18. But they also offer two different club grading specials a month and those are nice as well.

I also love their registry. I build sets typically and like getting a PSA 10 graded copy to add to my collections and uploading the images and serial numbers to my database. Just another “fun” part of the hobby to me. This is not for everybody though. Beckett’s registry is a joke. I have been after them for over a year to release certain serial numbered cards so I can add them to my database and they could give a crap about helping me. So I chose not to give a crap about them in the future.

Good luck to you with whatever you decide.


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[IndySportsCards]

Beckett has lost me as well, never going back. PSA for me.

[rngrdanny22]

Why?.......


Considerably cheaper and you don't have to pay for the auto grade if you don't want to.

Bulk orders are like $7/card. Sure, there's a 65-day window. My last three or four orders (100+ cards each) have popped on average around 30-35 days.

[IndySportsCards]

Considerably cheaper and you don't have to pay for the auto grade if you don't want to.

Bulk orders are like $7/card. Sure, there's a 65-day window. My last three or four orders (100+ cards each) have popped on average around 30-35 days.

Well at $20 a card, Beckett is currently running 325 days for me, so 65 days doesn't look too bad at all. :)

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[Bowman1951]

Why?.......I don't own a single BGS card and have 10x more respect for PSA than I do BGS. They sell better on the open market, it costs less to grade with them and the turnaround time is faster.

[KhalDrogo]

There’s no 20 day service at BGS. Unless you’ve miraculously worked out a group deal with them.

[Scottish Punk]

The problem with the line of thinking that BGS cards will bring in more money because it cost more to grade is flawed a bit. I fully get that the grader will try (and need) to pass the additional $10 to the buyer. The problem is your ceiling is for any 9.5 graded card is going to be around whatever a psa 10 is. More than likely, a bit less. Higher value cards, the extra $10 is absorbed a lot easier.

If you have a card that sells now for $50 psa 10, $40 for BGS 9.5. You raise the price for BGS 9.5 to $50, now it is the same price as a PSA 10. Many collectors will just opt for the PSA "top" grade. BGS submitters will need to be very selective on cards they submit going forward. This will only increase the market dominance for PSA and move BGS further into a "niche" brand.

[jewcer2k5]

There’s no 20 day service at BGS. Unless you’ve miraculously worked out a group deal with them.

At some shows they’ve been offering 20 day for full 10 day sheet pricing.

[brios8]

I like the look of BGS over PSA, and was willing to sacrifice a bit of $ because of that as PSA is cheaper and cards sell for more in PSA10 than Bgs9.5

Honestly I only keep BGS10s long term/for my collection. All others i try to sell for a profit.. but with this huge price increase and service time for the first time im considering submitting to PSA and just buying BGS10s

Say if you were sending in 100 Acuna mega box refractors to BGS
Which I did. At the moment They sell for $40 raw and about $60 graded bgs 9.5
Whe a PSA10 goes for $70 yet costa $8 to grade compared to $15

Apart from looks nothing else seems to be going Becketts way, and even that is probably 60% psa to 40% bgs

There’s no 20 day service at BGS. Unless you’ve miraculously worked out a group deal with them.

:)
But im still thinking its too expensive for it to be worth it

The problem with the line of thinking that BGS cards will bring in more money because it cost more to grade is flawed a bit. I fully get that the grader will try (and need) to pass the additional $10 to the buyer. The problem is your ceiling is for any 9.5 graded card is going to be around whatever a psa 10 is. More than likely, a bit less. Higher value cards, the extra $10 is absorbed a lot easier.

If you have a card that sells now for $50 psa 10, $40 for BGS 9.5. You raise the price for BGS 9.5 to $50, now it is the same price as a PSA 10. Many collectors will just opt for the PSA "top" grade. BGS submitters will need to be very selective on cards they submit going forward. This will only increase the market dominance for PSA and move BGS further into a "niche" brand.

I agree.. would have to be more selective

[brios8]

I think its been discussed before.. but why dont they hire more graders?

Or are they trying to make BGS be more exclusive, less cards graded so they would sell for more?

If thats the case then I would opt for BGS.. but how long before we start to see that value...
Im thinking it might not happen

Whike PSA keeps getting more customers

[ThoseBackPages]

I dont know what to do.. love grading, but this prices tell me to stay away :(

PSA is the way :)

[vetting82]

Im prepping a 150 card bulk order for PSA before the end of the month. The only thing Im not going to send to PSA is a bunch of 2014 Bowman Chrome Autos since I have so many of my PC from that year in BGS cases already. I would have gone all BGS if it werent for the long delays. So I know its not all profit, but BGS lost out on a $1000+ plus bulk order from me.

[tke1600]

I think its been discussed before.. but why dont they hire more graders?

Or are they trying to make BGS be more exclusive, less cards graded so they would sell for more?

If thats the case then I would opt for BGS.. but how long before we start to see that value...
Im thinking it might not happen

Whike PSA keeps getting more customers

Instead of hiring more staff to meet the demand for an increase in card grading at past or current rates, they just continue raising prices, which lowers the demand for their services, but steadies or increases profits for the amount of demand they still get. There will be some equilibrium for how much they can charge current submitters and keep the same profits, but we haven't hit the ceiling where prices are too high to price enough people out yet.

[hawkfandan]

I stopped using Beckett almost a year ago for many of the reasons you mentioned. Plus their customer service is terrible and nobody there seems to care at all. Unless you want to buy their price guide services which are an absolute joke anyway in terms of actual market value.

I went to PSA and bought the Platinum level which came with 15 grading certificates. Used those vouchers to see if I would like them and see what their service was like. I’m never going back to BGS.

PSA did a great job for me. They shipped my order before it was due and didn’t charge my credit card until my order was ready to ship. The one thing I will say is they take anywhere between 7-12 days on average to check their received packages into their database. So the clock won’t start until they put your order into their system.

I also find that PSA 10 (Gem Mint) sell for a premium over a BGS 9.5. And you don’t have to pay the extra money to have the autograph graded. I never understood why people want to pay more when you are “guaranteed” the Auto is Authentic from the card company regardless. I can use my eyes to see if an Auto is clean or not. I don’t need somebody to up charge me to tell me it is streaky.

It should also be noted that if you sign up for the PSA club, you can have access to bulk pricing which takes it down to $10 per card if you submit 50 cards or more. Next discount drops it to $8 per card if you submit 100 cards. Both are a 65 day submission. They are getting rid of their ten day bulk service as of 09/01/18. But they also offer two different club grading specials a month and those are nice as well.

I also love their registry. I build sets typically and like getting a PSA 10 graded copy to add to my collections and uploading the images and serial numbers to my database. Just another “fun” part of the hobby to me. This is not for everybody though. Beckett’s registry is a joke. I have been after them for over a year to release certain serial numbered cards so I can add them to my database and they could give a crap about helping me. So I chose not to give a crap about them in the future.

Good luck to you with whatever you decide.


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This is great info, thank you.

I've always been a BGS guy, but have been toying with the idea of PSA for reasons that have already been stated here. I've been considering a platinum membership as well. I really prefer the look of BGS cases, but it just doesn't seem to be practical to grade with them in bulk anymore. Their "price guides" are an absolute joke at this point (who uses still uses these in 2018?). You'd think they'd be doubling down on the grading side of the house, but sadly this doesn't appear to be the case.

[Scottish Punk]

Or are they trying to make BGS be more exclusive, less cards graded so they would sell for more?



If that is the strategy, then they are doomed. When a new collector goes to ebay and sees a 9 to 1 or 10 to 1 ratio psa to beckett cards, they will think beckett stinks. PSA is already at 5 to 1 or better ratio and growing.

As it has been stated multiple times before, the registry drives everything. If beckett is niche, that means no registry.

[imbluestreak23]

Hi, wanted to see what you think regarding the future market for BGS graded cards.
They decided to cancel 10 day services about 3 months ago. Prices were about $11.50+ $1 autos for 10 day service. Now the best option is 20 day service at $15+ $2 autos.

If you send bulk orders of 100+cards you immediately notice the increase in $ and double the grading time..

I believe if the market adjusts and people pay more for a BGS card then its worth grading as you would see that money you paid for, but as of this past 3 months, I havent seen people pay more for graded cards even though now its more expensive..

Any thoughts as to what we can ecpect in the next few months? Will people pay more for them? Will Beckett be forced to lower prices again? Will grading only be worth it for collectors and not reselling? Or would it only be worth to send expensive cards to be graded?

I dont know what to do.. love grading, but this prices tell me to stay away :(

Savvy people will realize that for *most cards, BGS premiums will not justify the cost of grading. Key word is *most. The savy grader will identify which cards are suitable for BGS vs PSA. For the unsavvy grader, it will take a couple tough love subs —> resales to realize the old formula for grading with BGS isn’t cutting it in 2018.

[griffan15]

Can we stop giving out all this free advice to the BGS lovers and keep their 1 year backlog to themselves?

PSA is getting backed up already and they don't need more, lol.

[Zauron]

I honestly prefer the slabs of BGS, but really don't understand why BGS 9.5's carry almost the same weight of PSA 10's. As well, it seems most of the baseball prospects are BGS graded.

[Rookiemonster]

I really like BGS cars that they use. My favorite thing is the grade subs since those are gone it kinda changes the way I feel about BGS.

You know you send a card to psa and it gets a 8. But you probably have a card or two that looks worst or thebsame that graded a nine. You have no way of know why your card graded what it did. I think that is a bit odd in regards to all the top graders out there.

I’m spending a lot of cash for you to GRADE my cards not just put a number on it with out justification. For the longest time this is how I viewed PSA. Now it’s all of the graders. If PSA started to use subs it would be over for BGS. I would pay PSA a dollar more for subs. Just saying you heard it here first.

[brios8]

I really like BGS cars that they use. My favorite thing is the grade subs since those are gone it kinda changes the way I feel about BGS.

You know you send a card to psa and it gets a 8. But you probably have a card or two that looks worst or thebsame that graded a nine. You have no way of know why your card graded what it did. I think that is a bit odd in regards to all the top graders out there.

I’m spending a lot of cash for you to GRADE my cards not just put a number on it with out justification. For the longest time this is how I viewed PSA. Now it’s all of the graders. If PSA started to use subs it would be over for BGS. I would pay PSA a dollar more for subs. Just saying you heard it here first.

BGS still uses Subgrades if you paythe full amount. If you dont want the subs then its a bit cheaper. This past 3 months they had some deals without subs, so lots of people were paying for those since the fullprice is now quite expesive..

*ON A NOTE.. whats good about PSA cases aswell is if you sell bulk you also pay less shipping since the weight for every 1 BGS is about 2.5 PSA and space wise
You can fit 2 PSAs for every BGS

[ThoseBackPages]

I really like BGS cars that they use. My favorite thing is the grade subs since those are gone it kinda changes the way I feel about BGS.

You know you send a card to psa and it gets a 8. But you probably have a card or two that looks worst or thebsame that graded a nine. You have no way of know why your card graded what it did. I think that is a bit odd in regards to all the top graders out there.

I’m spending a lot of cash for you to GRADE my cards not just put a number on it with out justification. For the longest time this is how I viewed PSA. Now it’s all of the graders. If PSA started to use subs it would be over for BGS. I would pay PSA a dollar more for subs. Just saying you heard it here first.

:confused:

[Rjk214]

Anyone paying exponentially more for a subjective graded card (Any print run later than 2000) is a fool. Plain and simple.

I believe the market will start to adjust towards paying closer to the same for raw as graded especially with the new releases or until a time where the process isn’t subjective anymore and the actual results can be truly verified card by card.

[ThoseBackPages]

Anyone paying exponentially more for a subjective graded card (Any print run later than 2000) is a fool. Plain and simple.

I believe the market will start to adjust towards paying closer to the same for raw as graded especially with the new releases or until a time where the process isn’t subjective anymore and the actual results can be truly verified card by card.

oh my

[Archangel1775]

Anyone paying exponentially more for a subjective graded card (Any print run later than 2000) is a fool. Plain and simple.


When people fork out $1000's for a Pujols,Ichiro and Trout, peace of mind goes a long way. Have you seen those Tom Brady 2000 fakes?

[WhyMarinersWhy]

Honest question for everyone -- I always read on here that PSA is favored over BGS, but if that's case why is it that you hardly ever see newer cards graded by PSA? It seems like every newer graded prospect card I see is in a BGS slab. I know PSA/SGC are definitely favored for vintage, and with the more recent cards (90s, 00s) you see a fair amount of both PSA and BGS, but why do you rarely see PSA grades on newer cards? Is it because of the auto grading? Is it an age/demographic thing? Is this site a bit of an outlier when it comes to PSA popularity?

Just curious. I've asked before but never really gotten an answer.

[Scottish Punk]

Honest question for everyone -- I always read on here that PSA is favored over BGS, but if that's case why is it that you hardly ever see newer cards graded by PSA? It seems like every newer graded prospect card I see is in a BGS slab. I know PSA/SGC are definitely favored for vintage, and with the more recent cards (90s, 00s) you see a fair amount of both PSA and BGS, but why do you rarely see PSA grades on newer cards? Is it because of the auto grading? Is it an age/demographic thing? Is this site a bit of an outlier when it comes to PSA popularity?

Just curious. I've asked before but never really gotten an answer.

My two cents.

BGS has always had two things going for them in the newer market - subgrades and graded autos.

PSA has always been the "standard" and the registry drives their business.

The old adage was anything new (90's and forward) goes to BGS unless the auto was bad, than it goes to PSA. With all of the "old" style cards like heritage and archives and even topps/bowman flagship being made, those are being favored in PSA cases. PSA registry collectors are migrating to current locks for HOF like Trout, Pujols, Ichiro, etc. They will want all those cards in PSA slabs and will cross over BGS. Couple this with the fact the auto grade seems less important now and Beckett's struggle and you got more cards going to PSA.

Prospecting use to be exclusive to BGS, but I have seen more and more posts here with prospects in PSA slabs this year.

[oddstuff]

Honest question for everyone -- I always read on here that PSA is favored over BGS, but if that's case why is it that you hardly ever see newer cards graded by PSA? It seems like every newer graded prospect card I see is in a BGS slab. I know PSA/SGC are definitely favored for vintage, and with the more recent cards (90s, 00s) you see a fair amount of both PSA and BGS, but why do you rarely see PSA grades on newer cards? Is it because of the auto grading? Is it an age/demographic thing? Is this site a bit of an outlier when it comes to PSA popularity?

Just curious. I've asked before but never really gotten an answer.

I don't think I've seen any mention of BGS 10s and the black label BGS 10. BGS 10s sell for quite a bit more than PSA 10s as a BGS 10 is like a PSA 10++++ and the black BGS 10s (the golden ticket in graded cards it seems) even rarer. So people who have modern cards may chose to go with Beckett to chase those 10 grades in hope of adding additional value above a PSA 10 to their modern cards. Some modern cards do look better in the PSA labels (such as the Heritage cards) so they show up in PSA cases more than BGS cases. There are other variables in terms of why people go with BGS over PSA but I think the BGS 10 is the main one (though with the recent pricing changes and LONG return time, many appear to be moving over to PSA).

[WhyMarinersWhy]

My two cents.

BGS has always had two things going for them in the newer market - subgrades and graded autos.

PSA has always been the "standard" and the registry drives their business.

The old adage was anything new (90's and forward) goes to BGS unless the auto was bad, than it goes to PSA. With all of the "old" style cards like heritage and archives and even topps/bowman flagship being made, those are being favored in PSA cases. PSA registry collectors are migrating to current locks for HOF like Trout, Pujols, Ichiro, etc. They will want all those cards in PSA slabs and will cross over BGS. Couple this with the fact the auto grade seems less important now and Beckett's struggle and you got more cards going to PSA.

Prospecting use to be exclusive to BGS, but I have seen more and more posts here with prospects in PSA slabs this year.

Great points! I've definitely noticed that most Heritage cards are PSA graded. I hadn't thought about the fact that they are "older" looking cards, but that totally makes sense.

[WhyMarinersWhy]

I don't think I've seen any mention of BGS 10s and the black label BGS 10. BGS 10s sell for quite a bit more than PSA 10s as a BGS 10 is like a PSA 10++++ and the black BGS 10s (the golden ticket in graded cards it seems) even rarer. So people who have modern cards may chose to go with Beckett to chase those 10 grades in hope of adding additional value above a PSA 10 to their modern cards. Some modern cards do look better in the PSA labels (such as the Heritage cards) so they show up in PSA cases more than BGS cases. There are other variables in terms of why people go with BGS over PSA but I think the BGS 10 is the main one (though with the recent pricing changes and LONG return time, many appear to be moving over to PSA).

Also a great point. The more recent cards should theoretically have a better chance of getting a pristine grade over older cards.

[ThoseBackPages]

also, prior to this year, PSA's turnaround times were much longer then BGS's

since "prospects" are usually sold by flippers, they want their product ASAP to sell ASAP
that would mean BGS

yes, BGS 10s sell for more (as they should), and BGS has certainly handed them out more often the last few years

[WJCIII]

also, prior to this year, PSA's turnaround times were much longer then BGS's

since "prospects" are usually sold by flippers, they want their product ASAP to sell ASAP
that would mean BGS

yes, BGS 10s sell for more (as they should), and BGS has certainly handed them out more often the last few years

With the way manufacturing is these days if there weren't more 10's than ever before then there would be something VERY wrong going on at BGS. 2017 Bowman Chrome and Topps Chrome are 2 of the cleanest sets ever manufactured. We've been through this before but your PSA bias won't allow you to admit that there are more 10's than ever before because there are more cards deserving of 10's than ever before.

[hermanotarjeta]

At the current grading price point, my threshold for what I send in to beckett grading goes higher, ie, if slabbing increases the value of the card by a certain amount, that amount must be more than I paid for grading the card. Thus, I may send in less volume to beckett.

On the flip side, for those who are sending to psa and boycotting beckett, the psa card population increases for the cards you are sending in and in effect makes the beckett card scarcer. So ironically by submitting to psa you may be helping the BGS pop report and thus helping the value of bgs cards.

Unless there is a huge increase in demand for psa graded cards, market forces will still make it a wash, regardless which company you go with.

Granted, the Beckett auto grade is BS, though what I will forever be skeptical about psa graded cards are that most of the older issues don't have an auto grade and most of those cards sent to psa were in fact auto-rejects from BGS. Those "best of" leaf products are flooded with high-graded PSA cards with truly sub-standard autograph quality.

I can see the bulk "lower value" card volume BGS graders being hurt the most by this. Well, send those bulk orders to PSA and shoot your values down even more by flooding the pop reports.

[oddstuff]

With the way manufacturing is these days if there weren't more 10's than ever before then there would be something VERY wrong going on at BGS. 2017 Bowman Chrome and Topps Chrome are 2 of the cleanest sets ever manufactured. We've been through this before but your PSA bias won't allow you to admit that there are more 10's than ever before because there are more cards deserving of 10's than ever before.

In theory there should be more BGS 10s...but some factors still keep that population relatively low. In terms of autos, those cards have been handled by the person signed by the card plus whoever inserts them into the packs....so at least twice handled since originally manufactured. Even autos where it's a sticker auto, that's at least one extra person who has handled the card in applying the sticker. There are also a lot of cards being broken by breakers...though most are pretty good at handling the chrome cards in trying to protect them from the chrome finish getting scratched. Even with modern cards, getting a 10 on centering is still difficult, let alone the chrome surface. So not sure if getting a BGS 10 today is a lot easier than say 10-15 years ago as more and more chrome cards are made and submitted for grading.

[blackbears86]

I don't think I've seen any mention of BGS 10s and the black label BGS 10. BGS 10s sell for quite a bit more than PSA 10s as a BGS 10 is like a PSA 10++++ and the black BGS 10s (the golden ticket in graded cards it seems) even rarer. So people who have modern cards may chose to go with Beckett to chase those 10 grades in hope of adding additional value above a PSA 10 to their modern cards. Some modern cards do look better in the PSA labels (such as the Heritage cards) so they show up in PSA cases more than BGS cases. There are other variables in terms of why people go with BGS over PSA but I think the BGS 10 is the main one (though with the recent pricing changes and LONG return time, many appear to be moving over to PSA).



I know as a buyer, I will take a BGS 10 or black label 10 over a PSA 10 all day every day (if I can afford it) Like it or not, they are the cream of the crop.

This alone makes BGS with all it's bumps and warts still very relevant in the grading world.

[ThoseBackPages]

I know as a buyer, I will take a BGS 10 or black label 10 over a PSA 10 all day every day (if I can afford it) Like it or not, they are the cream of the crop.

i would hope so, as they are not the same grade! lol

[blackbears86]

i would hope so, as they are not the same grade! lol


TBP.. You left out the second part of my statement my friend!

[ThoseBackPages]

TBP.. You left out the second part of my statement my friend!

that part is debateable :)

i will say that a monopoly would be bad for Third Party Grading though

[imbluestreak23]

Can we stop giving out all this free advice to the BGS lovers and keep their 1 year backlog to themselves?

PSA is getting backed up already and they don't need more, lol.

Agree, should have kept my mouth shut in 2015/16. Driving up my own competition. From now on will let others figure it out the hard way and monetize off their ignorance.

[cardmole]

With the way manufacturing is these days if there weren't more 10's than ever before then there would be something VERY wrong going on at BGS. 2017 Bowman Chrome and Topps Chrome are 2 of the cleanest sets ever manufactured. We've been through this before but your PSA bias won't allow you to admit that there are more 10's than ever before because there are more cards deserving of 10's than ever before.

Yes, and pop reports don't take into account the 1000s of these that will be graded some day or never will be graded. People like a false sense of rarity for newer/common cards I guess.

[clocsta2323]

Really no reason to grade with BGS. I've been looking at 9.5s and they really don't get much of a premium anymore. PSA 10s carry a significant premium over 9.5 (even true gem) and it's not even close. Chasing 10s and black labels is a fools errand. As far as the PSA 10 autograph card being a BGS 9 auto reject, in many cases that is true but it doesn't take a jewelers loupe to discern a 9 autograph.

[IndySportsCards]

FYI, got my card I submitted on 12/5 today.

https://img.comc.com/i/Hockey/2017-18/Upper-Deck---Portraits/P-58/Rookies---Brock-Boeser.jpg?id=7aa51d67-b8e9-4550-9f74-f9a4fd6e96d2&size=zoom

[clocsta2323]

FYI, got my card I submitted on 12/5 today.

https://img.comc.com/i/Hockey/2017-18/Upper-Deck---Portraits/P-58/Rookies---Brock-Boeser.jpg?id=7aa51d67-b8e9-4550-9f74-f9a4fd6e96d2&size=zoom

How much did it cost to grade that? Its a 3 dollar card ungraded, 9.5 does it even sell for the cost to grade it? If that was a PSA 10 submitted on the 7$ bulk rate you would probably make money on it.

[IndySportsCards]

How much did it cost to grade that? Its a 3 dollar card ungraded, 9.5 does it even sell for the cost to grade it? If that was a PSA 10 submitted on the 7$ bulk rate you would probably make money on it.

It's for my PC, don't care really. Plus, I only grade with PSA now, so maybe in the future, I can become a millionaire selling all my $3 cardz!!!

[WJCIII]

Really no reason to grade with BGS. I've been looking at 9.5s and they really don't get much of a premium anymore. PSA 10s carry a significant premium over 9.5 (even true gem) and it's not even close. Chasing 10s and black labels is a fools errand. As far as the PSA 10 autograph card being a BGS 9 auto reject, in many cases that is true but it doesn't take a jewelers loupe to discern a 9 autograph.

Terrible advice. Like TBP said earlier, there has never been more BGS 10's coming out and quad 9.5's and over are selling higher and higher. If you're a guy like me that does Chrome, Young Guns, Prizm, etc. you'd be an idiot to abandon BGS completely.