Brett Favre and his value in the hobby (undervalued?)

[rawkstar2k]

Wanted to hear some opinions on whether you think Brett Favre is under appreciated and undervalued in the hobby. For what he has accomplished, I think he is so undervalued. I rarely hear his name mentioned among the best QBs ever.

1 ring
3 MVPs
3 first team all pro selections
3 second team all pro selections
11x pro bowler
71,838 passing yards
508 passing touchdowns

[joem1cha3l]

In before someone brings up all time interception leader


(I’m a Packers fan haha)

[deemsterz33]

Wanted to hear some opinions on whether you think Brett Favre is under appreciated and undervalued in the hobby. For what he has accomplished, I think he is so undervalued. I rarely hear his name mentioned among the best QBs ever.

1 ring
3 MVPs
3 first team all pro selections
3 second team all pro selections
11x pro bowler
71,838 passing yards
508 passing touchdowns

As far as his peers from the same era in the hobby (Marino, Rice, Sanders, Smith, Aikman, etc) he commands the highest prices.

[JUNKWAX]

I am assuming you are talking about higher end stuff like autos. I collect his low end stuff and it sells for double what Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman low end stuff sells for. I collect all 3 players and usually buy lots of 100+ cards at a time. I aint won a Favre lot in awhile because in my opinion his low end stuff sells too high, not too low. LOL

[nabzy28]

Just start buying and stashing away. If you're looking at it from purely an auto'd card perspective, take advantage of his willingness to sign. I still say Jim Brown is a textbook example of a HOF player who signed a lot for years then, suddenly, stopped for many years and his auto's more than tripled in many instances. You could buy them for $30-$45 all day in '06-'09. I remember $12 Peyton Manning autos in the early '00s and winning Larry Fitzgerald Exquisite auto's for under $20 dlvd. It's amazing how unaware people, in general, seem to be as to what's been getting bought up the last 3-5 years in football cards. Cards of HOFers, especially QBs, from mid-top range UD sets have become non-existant. The same thing that's happening with Brees will eventually come to other top NFL players. It takes time, while the money buys up everything before guiding the market. I cannot fathom that the collectors who've driven up other sports cards/markets haven't begun the process on the opportunities in the NFL card market. Maybe I'm way off. I doubt it, from what I've been tracking and buying up over the last 6-8 years. There's still huge opportunity consistently overlooked.

[TheVolta]

The whole inappropriate text scandal didn’t do his values or public perception any favors.
Especially since it was after he retired. So it’s one of the last things people remember.

[starfox]

Favre is the man. I wish I had one of his autos. Nobody took more punishment, not even Big Ben.

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[Siberian13]

The whole inappropriate text scandal didn’t do his values or public perception any favors.
Especially since it was after he retired. So it’s one of the last things people remember.

Feel like that helped his case :)

[marinocollector]

As far as his peers from the same era in the hobby (Marino, Rice, Sanders, Smith, Aikman, etc) he commands the highest prices.

Depends on the card. The right rice barry or emmitts will blow the Favre is price away.

[deemsterz33]

Depends on the card. The right rice barry or emmitts will blow the Favre is price away.

I'm curious to hear any examples of this. Not saying you're wrong, just can't think of any version of those players' cards that would sell for the same or more than Favre.

[rman112]

Is he planning another comeback?

[burke23]

I'm curious to hear any examples of this. Not saying you're wrong, just can't think of any version of those players' cards that would sell for the same or more than Favre.

97 pmg red for sure. Favre would sell quite a bit lower than Sanders or Emmitt there.

[MFaulkCollector]

Wanted to hear some opinions on whether you think Brett Favre is under appreciated and undervalued in the hobby. For what he has accomplished, I think he is so undervalued. I rarely hear his name mentioned among the best QBs ever.

1 ring
3 MVPs
3 first team all pro selections
3 second team all pro selections
11x pro bowler
71,838 passing yards
508 passing touchdowns

favre was certainly on track to be among the top 3-5 qb's ever... however; he became extremely careless with that ball and threw 330 plus interceptions, he held a franchise hostage for years with the "will i come back" shenanigans..... and his pick against the giants to miss a super bowl appearance and the saints were downright awful...... i just think the carelessness and interceptions stand out a little more than how great he was. when you adjust for time period and what peers were doing his 95-97 seasons could be considered the best 3 year window in history. i would have him in the top 15..... elway, marino would be higher for me... steve young about the same..... aikman and kelly much lower

[starfox]

favre was certainly on track to be among the top 3-5 qb's ever... however; he became extremely careless with that ball and threw 330 plus interceptions, he held a franchise hostage for years with the "will i come back" shenanigans..... and his pick against the giants to miss a super bowl appearance and the saints were downright awful...... i just think the carelessness and interceptions stand out a little more than how great he was. when you adjust for time period and what peers were doing his 95-97 seasons could be considered the best 3 year window in history. i would have him in the top 15..... elway, marino would be higher for me... steve young about the same..... aikman and kelly much lowerFavre is top-ten, top-five when it comes being all football player and all man.

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[starfox]

Depends on the card. The right rice barry or emmitts will blow the Favre is price away.80% of the time, this is not the case.

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[Grid]

Feel like that helped his case :)

Not when you consider he did it behind the back of his wife who was not only a pillar of her community, but also battling cancer...

[ninjacookies]

Well, if this thread reaches 3 pages, I guarantee his prices will sneak up on Ebay 'mysteriously....'

Seems to be the going trend around here.

[titletowncards]

As far as 90's/00's guys I think his value is up there with everyone else. His value's are helped because he's a Packer of course. His career interceptions and the fact he didn't win another SB and then after get to another SB later in his career because of ill-timed interceptions don't help. I grew up with Favre as my QB, he started out so wild then calmed down and won 3 straight MVP's. He'll take you to the greatest of heights with some of the most exciting plays ever, then gut you with a heart-wrenching interception. I loved his passion and grit and how exciting he was to watch. His last great season with Packers in 2007 was so fun and exciting and I really thought we were going to the SB, then it happened again...the OT interception. It was so cold that game that some think he just wanted to get out of there and go home. Idk, I don't want to believe that is the case. When he went and played for the Vikings in 2009 I think that year was a great illustration of his whole career. The ups, downs, crazy game-winning TD's and ultimately the INT he shouldn't have thrown. I'll post my 2 favorite Favre cards here just for show.
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[starfox]

As far as 90's/00's guys I think his value is up there with everyone else. His value's are helped because he's a Packer of course. His career interceptions and the fact he didn't win another SB and then after get to another SB later in his career because of ill-timed interceptions don't help. I grew up with Favre as my QB, he started out so wild then calmed down and won 3 straight MVP's. He'll take you to the greatest of heights with some of the most exciting plays ever, then gut you with a heart-wrenching interception. I loved his passion and grit and how exciting he was to watch. His last great season with Packers in 2007 was so fun and exciting and I really thought we were going to the SB, then it happened again...the OT interception. It was so cold that game that some think he just wanted to get out of there and go home. Idk, I don't want to believe that is the case. When he went and played for the Vikings in 2009 I think that year was a great illustration of his whole career. The ups, downs, crazy game-winning TD's and ultimately the INT he shouldn't have thrown. I'll post my 2 favorite Favre cards here just for show.
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[marinocollector]

Favre is top-ten, top-five when it comes being all football player and all man.

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Not really. Favre was the best young QB in an era between legendary QB eras. I honestly think he’s a great of the game, but not a top 10 all time. Nowhere close.

80% of the time, this is not the case.

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Did you just quote me and say the same thing I said?

[marinocollector]

I'm curious to hear any examples of this. Not saying you're wrong, just can't think of any version of those players' cards that would sell for the same or more than Favre.

Pretty much ALL the rare Fleer cards. Emmitt, barry, rice would sell for double the Favre cards. Marino sells for more in some cases.

The issue you have is that there is so many Favre cards. He has a lot to collect. It’s like “why isn’t Peyton Manning worth more?”

Well, they both have double the amount of cards made of him. Plus, the Packers followed Favre up by having Rodgers. A better QB with much more limited availability, so a lot of potential Favre value got tied up in Rodgers. If Rodgers went the way of David Klinger, you’d see MUCH more expensive Favre product, and cheeseheads clamoring on about Favres greatness.

But it’s hard for Packer fans to say Favre is the greatest QB of all time when someone better is playing now.

[scotthenrichs]

I hope they stay nice and low, I’m buying up all the cheap good looking inserts on Comc, I’ve got a stash of around 100 different ones already in my account, all under $2 each!

[Idol]

Peyton Manning autos were NEVER $12 bro

Just start buying and stashing away. If you're looking at it from purely an auto'd card perspective, take advantage of his willingness to sign. I still say Jim Brown is a textbook example of a HOF player who signed a lot for years then, suddenly, stopped for many years and his auto's more than tripled in many instances. You could buy them for $30-$45 all day in '06-'09. I remember $12 Peyton Manning autos in the early '00s and winning Larry Fitzgerald Exquisite auto's for under $20 dlvd. It's amazing how unaware people, in general, seem to be as to what's been getting bought up the last 3-5 years in football cards. Cards of HOFers, especially QBs, from mid-top range UD sets have become non-existant. The same thing that's happening with Brees will eventually come to other top NFL players. It takes time, while the money buys up everything before guiding the market. I cannot fathom that the collectors who've driven up other sports cards/markets haven't begun the process on the opportunities in the NFL card market. Maybe I'm way off. I doubt it, from what I've been tracking and buying up over the last 6-8 years. There's still huge opportunity consistently overlooked.

[HeadstrongRSS]

As a lifetime Packer fan who lives in WI, I can easily tell you why.

While the state has pretty much forgiven him, he had several issues that I think impacted his long-term collectability:

end-of-career diva actions
going to the Vikings
sexting fiasco


At the end of his career, we saw him avoid practicing, constantly kept us in retirement limbo and held the team hostage on personnel, he had his own office-like locker by himself. He left and intentionally joined the mortal enemy in order to get payback for some ish that HE CAUSED by creating the circus of repeatedly retiring and unretiring, and sending D pics out while his wife was battling cancer isn't a good look.

All those things have an impact. ESPECIALLY when next-in-line is one of the GOATs in Aaron Rodgers. There was no letdown or time to miss and get nostalgic. We rolled right into having a top-3 QB in the league while he was out behaving like a little b***h.

He still has a good small-town, blue-collar, redneck fanbase that really loves him. They idolize him still. But it's just not that way for everyone. He turned a lot of fans off. Including me.

[marinocollector]

Peyton Manning autos were NEVER $12 bro

LOL.... I was trying to remember what those Finite autos and Spx autos /900 and /1200 were bringing at their lowest in 2003-2005.

[88horsepower]

Peyton Manning autos were NEVER $12 bro

Yeah, there’s no way that ever happened. I would know.

[Siberian13]

Not when you consider he did it behind the back of his wife who was not only a pillar of her community, but also battling cancer...

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[bojesphob]

As a lifetime Packer fan who lives in WI, I can easily tell you why.

While the state has pretty much forgiven him, he had several issues that I think impacted his long-term collectability:

end-of-career diva actions
going to the Vikings
sexting fiasco


At the end of his career, we saw him avoid practicing, constantly kept us in retirement limbo and held the team hostage on personnel, he had his own office-like locker by himself. He left and intentionally joined the mortal enemy in order to get payback for some ish that HE CAUSED by creating the circus of repeatedly retiring and unretiring, and sending D pics out while his wife was battling cancer isn't a good look.

All those things have an impact. ESPECIALLY when next-in-line is one of the GOATs in Aaron Rodgers. There was no letdown or time to miss and get nostalgic. We rolled right into having a top-3 QB in the league while he was out behaving like a little b***h.

He still has a good small-town, blue-collar, redneck fanbase that really loves him. They idolize him still. But it's just not that way for everyone. He turned a lot of fans off. Including me.

I liken Brett to Pete Rose to a certain degree. Both of them had their off field issues, but they still were amazing on it. I doubt you could could find many much bigger Favre fans than myself, and even though all that end of his career drama soured me on him at that point, I'm still a fan of his. Maybe it's because I don't live anywhere near WI, but whatever it is, I actually have quite a few of his cards in both Jets and Vikings uniform that have come out the last several years. Everyone makes mistakes and bad decisions (although, *most* people do that when they're young), so I don't hold those things against him. I enjoyed every game I watched him play for the Packers, and have many fond memories of watching him play in person. No matter what he did off the field (or for other teams), that will never change.

As to value, most of his stuff came out when the mass production of cards makes Panini's saturation of the market right now look tame. The fact that his cards are the only ones from each set he was in from 1991 that are worth over 5 cents shows he still has value. There are countless sets and subsets where his card is the most valuable (by a large margin) from the 90's. Unfortunately, he's had a LOT of autos through the years, so his auto prices are relatively cheap. That being said, that's not really a bad thing or a knock on him, it just shows that if you have a player who signs a LOT, his auto values are going to be fairly in expensive. If you look at the sets that are in demand (like Prizm) where he has low numbered autos, those prices are actually pretty high compared to other old school guys, so he still has some demand.

[bewareof94]

Plain and simple - it's football cards. There's just not as much money going into buying/investing football cards (period), compared to other sports, let alone for the proven, HOF greats. People buy into hype in the football card market hoping to hit on the next big thing and make a bunch of money - which is why rookie sticker autos of guys like Mahomes and Trubisky who have accomplished nothing in the NFL to date, regularly outsell autos of legends like Favre, Staubach etc whose on-card autos can regularly be had for <$100. Not saying that's the only reason, but it's one of the main.

Also, off-the-field shenanigans have nothing to do with prices of any retired/HOF players, especially something as minor as a texting scandal. To reiterate, and before someone pounces on this statement, I'm talking about silly minor stuff like a texting scandal which is not even in the same universe as guys like Aaron Hernandez, OJ, etc. (who by the way still sell fairly decent given their actions). There's been guys that have done far worse (Kobe, Big Ben) whose cards are still in very high demand

[Ray27Ray52]

When I leave this Earth I firmly believe that Favre will be the one NFL player that I witnessed with my own two eyes do something that couldn't be done and then on the very next play make a mistake that a rookie QB wouldn't make.

When he was on, he was the best of all time. When he was off, it was ugly. Meld the two together and you have the fearless gunslinger that Favre will always be remembered for. He didn't care if it ended badly, he just did it.

None of this has anything to do with his card values. I just love the opportunity to wax poetic about a childhood football hero.

[scotthenrichs]

As a lifetime Packer fan who lives in WI, I can easily tell you why.

While the state has pretty much forgiven him, he had several issues that I think impacted his long-term collectability:

end-of-career diva actions
going to the Vikings
sexting fiasco


At the end of his career, we saw him avoid practicing, constantly kept us in retirement limbo and held the team hostage on personnel, he had his own office-like locker by himself. He left and intentionally joined the mortal enemy in order to get payback for some ish that HE CAUSED by creating the circus of repeatedly retiring and unretiring, and sending D pics out while his wife was battling cancer isn't a good look.

All those things have an impact. ESPECIALLY when next-in-line is one of the GOATs in Aaron Rodgers. There was no letdown or time to miss and get nostalgic. We rolled right into having a top-3 QB in the league while he was out behaving like a little b***h.

He still has a good small-town, blue-collar, redneck fanbase that really loves him. They idolize him still. But it's just not that way for everyone. He turned a lot of fans off. Including me.

Agreed, although I've mostly forgiven him (other than the Vikings thing) and the problem with Rodgers is all his inserts are boring looking Panini cards and mostly look all the same. Favre has some awesome looking inserts (mostly for cheap, if you don't have the auto/GU stuff) with his career going right through the middle of the insert design golden age. Love some of those old Fleer, UD, and even Collector's Edge cards.

[scotthenrichs]

LOL.... I was trying to remember what those Finite autos and Spx autos /900 and /1200 were bringing at their lowest in 2003-2005.

Some of those rookie Collector's Edge Auto's were as low as maybe $20. You can still get them around $50.

[norskarv]

Brett who?

[twisty571]

When I leave this Earth I firmly believe that Favre will be the one NFL player that I witnessed with my own two eyes do something that couldn't be done and then on the very next play make a mistake that a rookie QB wouldn't make.

When he was on, he was the best of all time. When he was off, it was ugly. Meld the two together and you have the fearless gunslinger that Favre will always be remembered for. He didn't care if it ended badly, he just did it.

None of this has anything to do with his card values. I just love the opportunity to wax poetic about a childhood football hero.

The game when his Father died was legendary!

[HToutlaws]

The game when his Father died was legendary!

I agree.

The wrong head does the thinking for all of us at one time or another. Not a excuse for what he did...
But it happened.

Exciting player to watch. No doubt about it.

[titletowncards]

Took me like 10 years to find these. One color, not too hard, 3-clr. patches almost impossible.
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