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trixstar
09-01-2018, 07:44 AM
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1035869745655029760?s=21

@AdamSchefter
Sources to ESPN: Raiders and Bears have an agreement in place to trade Khalil Mack to Chicago. Still working through it, but Raiders now planning to send Mack to Chicago.

whynotme012
09-01-2018, 07:46 AM
:Popcorn:

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goodole13
09-01-2018, 07:49 AM
I said in another post, the way the Rams handled Aaron Donald makes me love the Rams that much more.

ajlaxmn
09-01-2018, 07:51 AM
As a chargers fan, I’m all for the move.


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AnthonyCorona
09-01-2018, 07:53 AM
Gruden had better win big this year


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Cavaliercards
09-01-2018, 07:54 AM
Fantastic franchise for Mack to go to

nickha2
09-01-2018, 07:56 AM
Fantastic franchise for Mack to go to

lol what a fantastic franchise

Art Vandelay
09-01-2018, 07:57 AM
https://media1.tenor.com/images/4e57efecb0ef9ebdd8d762726c6e2c53/tenor.gif?itemid=5660406

Cavaliercards
09-01-2018, 07:58 AM
lol what a fantastic franchise

Butkus, Urlacher, Mack?

oldgoldy97
09-01-2018, 07:59 AM
Butkus, Urlacher, Mack?

Singletary.

2010GBPackers
09-01-2018, 08:03 AM
F my life. Now they have Mack and Roquan Smith. :eek:

nickha2
09-01-2018, 08:04 AM
Butkus, Urlacher, Mack?

Big deal. He wont sign there after this year. Complete waste for the Bears.

Big
09-01-2018, 08:06 AM
Big deal. He wont sign there after this year. Complete waste for the Bears.

According to reports he’s expected to sign a long term deal by the end of the day. So it doesn’t sounds like a waste to me.

aaron2
09-01-2018, 08:09 AM
Any word on compensation? NFC North looking stout this year.

Davis
09-01-2018, 08:20 AM
Lions have the most inept pass rush in the league. I don’t understand why they didn’t go after him. And to make it worse for them, now they face Mack 2x per year. But even with Mack, I think bears are 4th in the division.

Dacubs
09-01-2018, 08:22 AM
yeah....NFC north is going to be tough to win in....but should make the games more fun to watch....

and just in case, I just added the bears defense to both my fantasy teams...lo

Cavaliercards
09-01-2018, 08:22 AM
Singletary.

Studs

Cavaliercards
09-01-2018, 08:23 AM
Big deal. He wont sign there after this year. Complete waste for the Bears.

This deal is happening because he probably will sign. Complete success for Bears.

CC_123
09-01-2018, 08:30 AM
Remember when Packer fans thought they were gonna land Mack after the year?

IronMonkey415
09-01-2018, 08:31 AM
Bears defense just moved a few notches up.

92% Madden style rating.

Cavaliercards
09-01-2018, 08:37 AM
Two first rounders and maybe more

He is definitely signing an extension for that

ucLAkers
09-01-2018, 08:39 AM
Rodgers vs. Mack!!
Battle of the rubberbands $$$

trixstar
09-01-2018, 08:43 AM
Yeah there’s no way that the bears are trading for him without getting a long-term deal. That just doesn’t make any sense.

PrimeTimeScott
09-01-2018, 08:46 AM
As a chargers fan, I’m all for the move.


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As a Broncos fan, I agree!!

Cavaliercards
09-01-2018, 08:48 AM
Saints traded 2 first rounders for Marcus Davenport let that sink in

whynotme012
09-01-2018, 08:50 AM
Min. Two 1st rounders....Hope Mack get his $$ at Chicago.

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KhalDrogo
09-01-2018, 08:52 AM
Two unproven future draft picks or one of the best defensive players in the league in the middle of his prime? Really tough choice.

The Accountant
09-01-2018, 09:17 AM
good for the bears!

TimBuckTwo
09-01-2018, 10:11 AM
Guess I made the right call in getting exchanges for my Mack Raiders auto cards that will never be fulfilled.

Raidaz89
09-01-2018, 10:19 AM
Im glad he is gone!!!! He signed a contract to play and he was already whining, play out your contract and then run your mouth.... Good riddance!!

duwal
09-01-2018, 10:37 AM
Bears defense just moved a few notches up.

92% Madden style rating.

Maybe, Mack was great but also very overrated. Made spectacular plays that showed on highlight reels but Raiders fans will let you know he is a non factor in most of the games with them aside from a few plays

goodole13
09-01-2018, 10:48 AM
Im glad he is gone!!!! He signed a contract to play and he was already whining, play out your contract and then run your mouth.... Good riddance!!

I would tend to agree, but he was playing under his rookie contract. Rookies can only deal so much when they come into the league. It’s not like a free agent where they can break the bank. I’m sure everyone can agree that Mack more than outplayed his rookie deal and deserved an extension...... Like Aaron Donald, Go Rams!!!!

Raidaz89
09-01-2018, 10:49 AM
Maybe, Mack was great but also very overrated. Made spectacular plays that showed on highlight reels but Raiders fans will let you know he is a non factor in most of the games with them aside from a few plays

U would be correct in this statement...:

cyndeeg3
09-01-2018, 10:52 AM
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1035869745655029760?s=21

@AdamSchefter
Sources to ESPN: Raiders and Bears have an agreement in place to trade Khalil Mack to Chicago. Still working through it, but Raiders now planning to send Mack to Chicago. he needs to be a PACKER!

Raidaz89
09-01-2018, 10:52 AM
I would tend to agree, but he was playing under his rookie contract. Rookies can only deal so much when they come into the league. It’s not like a free agent where they can break the bank. I’m sure everyone can agree that Mack more than outplayed his rookie deal and deserved an extension...... Like Aaron Donald, Go Rams!!!!

Donald cried his way into a new contract too... Let me ask one question, would the Patriots have paid these players.... Nope they would have been gone at the first sign of displeasure of their contract... Next man up!!!

goodole13
09-01-2018, 11:13 AM
Donald cried his way into a new contract too... Let me ask one question, would the Patriots have paid these players.... Nope they would have been gone at the first sign of displeasure of their contract... Next man up!!!

Yeah, next man up, since the Raiders have the personnel to do that. I'm so glad I'm not a Raiders fan. NEXT MAN UP! Giants extended Odell, Rams extended Donald, Jaguars haha extended Bortles, and so on. It happens every year, teams work with and communicate with their players to offer extensions if they outplayed their rookie deals. The Raiders dropped the ball on this one, they weren't communicating with Mack at all. So hopefully your "Next man up" statement works with the Raiders. The Raiders want to give a $100 million contract to a coach that hasn't coached in years, but they don't want to pay a former Defensive Player of the Year and the best player on their team :doh: The Patriots can do that because they have one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

Raidaz89
09-01-2018, 11:30 AM
Yeah, next man up, since the Raiders have the personnel to do that. I'm so glad I'm not a Raiders fan. NEXT MAN UP! Giants extended Odell, Rams extended Donald, Jaguars haha extended Bortles, and so on. It happens every year, teams work with and communicate with their players to offer extensions if they outplayed their rookie deals. The Raiders dropped the ball on this one, they weren't communicating with Mack at all. So hopefully your "Next man up" statement works with the Raiders. The Raiders want to give a $100 million contract to a coach that hasn't coached in years, but they don't want to pay a former Defensive Player of the Year and the best player on their team :doh: The Patriots can do that because they have one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

So you dont believe that a player should play outtheir contract?.. Mack didnt show up to camp, he threatened to sit out games, why not just show up do your job, show your teamates that you are a pro and a team player. This was all about Mack and thats it, he didnt care about the team, but whatever think what you want bro... Hopefully the Rams win the Superbowl soon because they will be cap strapped here before too long.... Best of luck to the LA Rams or Chargers or whatever. I root for the Raiders not a player

pgisback
09-01-2018, 11:33 AM
So you dont believe that a player should play outtheir contract?.. Mack didnt show up to camp, he threatened to sit out games, why not just show up do your job, show your teamates that you are a pro and a team player. This was all about Mack and thats it, he didnt care about the team, but whatever think what you want bro... Hopefully the Rams win the Superbowl soon because they will be cap strapped here before too long.... Best of luck to the LA Rams or Chargers or whatever. I root for the Raiders not a player

Agree. Can't stand players who hold their team hostage demanding an extension instead of playing out their contract. Good for the Raiders. Finally a team with balls.

trixstar
09-01-2018, 11:35 AM
Donald cried his way into a new contract too... Let me ask one question, would the Patriots have paid these players.... Nope they would have been gone at the first sign of displeasure of their contract... Next man up!!!

lol "cried his way" what is with this attitude that players should just surrender to billionaire owners and play for the least amount of money possible.

Oh it's also nice that the "players should play through their contract" crowd has shown up. Why do you guys go missing when teams cut these players before their contracts are up?

goodole13
09-01-2018, 11:36 AM
Im glad he is gone!!!! He signed a contract to play and he was already whining, play out your contract and then run your mouth.... Good riddance!!

So you dont believe that a player should play outtheir contract?.. Mack didnt show up to camp, he threatened to sit out games, why not just show up do your job, show your teamates that you are a pro and a team player. This was all about Mack and thats it, he didnt care about the team, but whatever think what you want bro... Hopefully the Rams win the Superbowl soon because they will be cap strapped here before too long.... Best of luck to the LA Rams or Chargers or whatever. I root for the Raiders not a player

HE WAS ON HIS ROOKIE DEAL. He more than outplayed that and deserved an extension. Again, rookies are not able to deal like a free agent can. There are restrictions for rookies. It’s not like he was a free agent and was able to break the bank like rookies used to prior to 2011. I don’t know if you know that or not, but there are restrictions on rookie contracts now.

rman112
09-01-2018, 11:39 AM
HE WAS ON HIS ROOKIE DEAL. He more than outplayed that and deserved an extension. Again, rookies are not able to deal like a free agent can. There are restrictions for rookies. It’s not like he was a free agent and was able to break the bank like rookies used to prior to 2011. I don’t know if you know that or not, but there are restrictions on rookie contracts now.

Wasn't he going to be a FA in 1 year anyway?

Raidaz89
09-01-2018, 11:39 AM
lol "cried his way" what is with this attitude that players should just surrender to billionaire owners and play for the least amount of money possible.

Oh it's also nice that the "players should play through their contract" crowd has shown up. Why do you guys go missing when teams cut these players before their contracts are up?

I have been a Raiders fan since 1982 brother, I have never gone missin as you state here... I am sure mack would have struggled with his 7mil this year and 10mil next year... lmao

Raidaz89
09-01-2018, 11:44 AM
HE WAS ON HIS ROOKIE DEAL. He more than outplayed that and deserved an extension. Again, rookies are not able to deal like a free agent can. There are restrictions for rookies. It’s not like he was a free agent and was able to break the bank like rookies used to prior to 2011. I don’t know if you know that or not, but there are restrictions on rookie contracts now.

Again had he come to camp and acted like a professional and a good teammate he probably would have gotten a contract extension, but whats next, in 2 years when another player is making more than him he just decides that he wont play under the new contract? There is no way that Mack should be getting a contract that is more than Aaron Donalds.... thats being reported at 6 yr 135 million and 87 million guaranteed.... Come on

trixstar
09-01-2018, 11:44 AM
I have been a Raiders fan since 1982 brother, I have never gone missin as you state here... I am sure mack would have struggled with his 7mil this year and 10mil next year... lmao

It's not about "struggling" it's about getting fair market value. People sit on their couch and say "man for 7 million id be out there in a heart beat". Its real easy to feel that way when you're working a 9-5 job making 40 grand a year. There's absolutely nothing wrong with players getting paid what they've earned and what they deserve. Mack is a top 2 non QB talent in this league and just because you think 7 mil a year is good money doesnt' mean that's what he's worth. My comment about going missing was not about your fandom it was about when owners cut players before their contracts are up. No one says a thing about it then except, well the team made a smart decision. It goes both ways, if you want players to play out their deals then give them guaranteed contracts and stop allowing teams to cut them when they're most valuable year of their deal is around the corner.

rman112
09-01-2018, 11:45 AM
It's not about "struggling" it's about getting fair market value. People sit on their couch and say man for 7 million id be out there in a heart beat. Its real easy to feel that way when you're working a 9-5 job making 40 grand a year. There's absolutely nothing wrong with players getting paid what they've earned and what they deserve. Mack is a top 2 non QB talent in this league and just because you think 7 mil a year is good money doesnt' mean that's what he's worth. My comment about going missing was not about your fandom it was about when owners cut players before their contracts are up. No one says a thing about it then except, well the team made a smart decision. It goes both ways, if you want players to play out their deals then give them guaranteed contracts.

That ain't gunna happen.

trixstar
09-01-2018, 11:52 AM
That ain't gunna happen.

Maybe not but I don't think it's too much to ask for people to not be complete hypocrites when the team does the same thing players do

MeteoriteGuy
09-01-2018, 11:56 AM
Maybe not but I don't think it's too much to ask for people to not be complete hypocrites when the team does the same thing players do

Exactly. If I am one of the 2000 or so players I don't want to be the guy cut two years into my five year contract, which is a good share of them. The 50 or so combined owners (some teams have multiple owners) will get their 51%.

rman112
09-01-2018, 11:58 AM
Maybe not but I don't think it's too much to ask for people to not be complete hypocrites when the team does the same thing players do

All he had to do was wait 1 more year to hit FA though, no?

goodole13
09-01-2018, 12:02 PM
Again had he come to camp and acted like a professional and a good teammate he probably would have gotten a contract extension, but whats next, in 2 years when another player is making more than him he just decides that he wont play under the new contract? There is no way that Mack should be getting a contract that is more than Aaron Donalds.... thats being reported at 6 yr 135 million and 87 million guaranteed.... Come on

Or, the Raiders could have communicated with Mack while this was going on. Gruden could have reached out, the owner could have reached out, the GM could have reached out, but none of them did. And don't give me that "good teammate" BS, this isn't High School football. I guarantee every single one of the players in that Raiders locker room were behind Mack and felt he should get a new deal.

But yeah, players should honor their contracts, like owners honor the contracts when they cut players midway through a contract...right?

goodole13
09-01-2018, 12:04 PM
All he had to do was wait 1 more year to hit FA though, no?

What happens if he got a significant injury this year and wasn't able to play again? It's about security, players want to feel secure, especially with not having guaranteed contracts.

rman112
09-01-2018, 12:04 PM
What happens if he got a significant injury this year and wasn't able to play again? It's about security, players want to feel secure, especially with not having guaranteed contracts.

I understand that. The flipside is.. he should be getting paid guaranteed money to sit out with an injury?

Siberian13
09-01-2018, 12:05 PM
I understand that. The flipside is.. he should be getting paid guaranteed money to sit out with an injury?

How dare you side with the billionaire owners. Your a monster!

rman112
09-01-2018, 12:10 PM
How dare you side with the billionaire owners. Your a monster!

Honestly though, it's complicated. You've got the rookie pay scale (thanks, Sam Bradford!), so a guy like Mack is always going to be underpaid since he outperformed his contract. But like any sport contract, what are you paying for? Is it past performance? Future performance?

BGT Masters
09-01-2018, 12:14 PM
I understand that. The flipside is.. he should be getting paid guaranteed money to sit out with an injury?

Yes, if you get hurt on the job why wouldn't you? Maybe the league should have fully guaranteed contracts and if you're injured you make a certain percentage of your contract while you are missing games?

rman112
09-01-2018, 12:23 PM
Yes, if you get hurt on the job why wouldn't you? Maybe the league should have fully guaranteed contracts and if you're injured you make a certain percentage of your contract while you are missing games?

I understand your point. I really don't see fully guaranteed contracts, though. The % thing is an interesting idea.

I haven't seen the production part brought up. Only injuries. Not specific to Mack really, but we've seen guys bust their ass to get that big deal and just coast; Haynesworth probably the most notable example.

coltsnsox07
09-01-2018, 12:29 PM
I see more cart rides for someone in the future...
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goodole13
09-01-2018, 12:30 PM
I understand your point. I really don't see fully guaranteed contracts, though. The % thing is an interesting idea.

I haven't seen the production part brought up. Only injuries. Not specific to Mack really, but we've seen guys bust their ass to get that big deal and just coast; Haynesworth probably the most notable example.

This is very true. It can happen.

Dielon
09-01-2018, 12:31 PM
well this certainly makes them more competitive. The north should be interesting

Rip67vdub
09-01-2018, 05:37 PM
Dude got paid.

oldgoldy97
09-01-2018, 05:45 PM
I see more cart rides for someone in the future...
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You shut your mouth!

Hollywood42
09-01-2018, 05:48 PM
I dunno, obviously Mack is a great piece, but even with him, are the Bears really going to be that much?

lambeauleap87
09-01-2018, 05:52 PM
I dunno, obviously Mack is a great piece, but even with him, are the Bears really going to be that much?

I posted in the other thread, but Mack got both a record setting deal in terms of his new contract, but the Bears also paid the highest acquisition cost in the history of the league for a defensive player. They have two picks before day three of the draft over the next two seasons.

I think the Bears are going to be good, and I think Mack helps a lot. But they really, really leveraged their future with that trade.

Siberian13
09-01-2018, 05:52 PM
I dunno, obviously Mack is a great piece, but even with him, are the Bears really going to be that much?

They are young but have some solid pieces on defense.

Hollywood42
09-01-2018, 06:46 PM
Yeah I mean I don't think they'll be terrible by any means, but I don't really see them as being a huge threat either. I'm a little bit surprised to see them make this big of a move, I didn't think they were nearly as close as you would want to be to sell off the future like that

I posted in the other thread, but Mack got both a record setting deal in terms of his new contract, but the Bears also paid the highest acquisition cost in the history of the league for a defensive player. They have two picks before day three of the draft over the next two seasons.

I think the Bears are going to be good, and I think Mack helps a lot. But they really, really leveraged their future with that trade.

They are young but have some solid pieces on defense.

CoolG
09-01-2018, 08:49 PM
Big deal. He wont sign there after this year. Complete waste for the Bears.

Pretty sure that’s why Packers didn’t make the move.
He wouldn’t commit to playing in GB long term.
Great move by the Bears.

JHH
09-03-2018, 12:05 AM
Two first rounders....wow Hopefully it won;t come back and hunt the Bears...

SearchPatrol
10-26-2021, 11:52 AM
Raiders won this trade. How much is Chicago playing a guy to make 1 tackle?

jplarson
10-26-2021, 12:34 PM
Raiders won this trade. How much is Chicago playing a guy to make 1 tackle?

Gotta bring better evidence if you are gonna troll. Here's the facts:

Raiders sent:
Khalil Mack - 1 All Pro, 3 Pro Bowls /w Chicago. 36 sacks, 52 QB hits in 3+ years.
2020 2nd rnd pick - became Cole Kmet, an okay TE for the Bears
2020 7th rnd pick - became Hambright, practice squad OL

Bears sent:
2019 1st rnd pick -became RB Josh Jacobs, 1 Pro Bowl /w Raiders. Currently in a time share
2019 6th rnd pick - became Blessuan Austin (traded to the Jets)
2020 1st rnd pick - became CB Damon Arnette, 7 career starts
2020 3rd rnd pick - became WR Bryan Edwards, 9 career starts, 29-539-2 stat line for his career


Maybe Chicago could have done more with those first rounders. Based on the existing track record I think it was better spent on a known quantity like Mack. Raiders absolutely squandered their haul. I'd rather have Mack, Kmet, and Hambright vs Jacobs, Arnette, and Edwards.

Viking6
10-26-2021, 12:51 PM
Gotta bring better evidence if you are gonna troll. Here's the facts:

Raiders sent:
Khalil Mack - 1 All Pro, 3 Pro Bowls /w Chicago. 36 sacks, 52 QB hits in 3+ years.
2020 2nd rnd pick - became Cole Kmet, an okay TE for the Bears
2020 7th rnd pick - became Hambright, practice squad OL

Bears sent:
2019 1st rnd pick -became RB Josh Jacobs, 1 Pro Bowl /w Raiders. Currently in a time share
2019 6th rnd pick - became Blessuan Austin (traded to the Jets)
2020 1st rnd pick - became CB Damon Arnette, 7 career starts
2020 3rd rnd pick - became WR Bryan Edwards, 9 career starts, 29-539-2 stat line for his career


Maybe Chicago could have done more with those first rounders. Based on the existing track record I think it was better spent on a known quantity like Mack. Raiders absolutely squandered their haul. I'd rather have Mack, Kmet, and Hambright vs Jacobs, Arnette, and Edwards.

When you add in the extra 20 mil in cap space saved per year for the Raiders... It is basically a wash.

SearchPatrol
10-26-2021, 12:53 PM
Where Mack's cap hit will be $30,344,200 in 2022.

After restructured his 2021 contract to help free up cap space.

Niels50
10-26-2021, 01:01 PM
Gotta bring better evidence if you are gonna troll. Here's the facts:

Raiders sent:
Khalil Mack - 1 All Pro, 3 Pro Bowls /w Chicago. 36 sacks, 52 QB hits in 3+ years.
2020 2nd rnd pick - became Cole Kmet, an okay TE for the Bears
2020 7th rnd pick - became Hambright, practice squad OL

Bears sent:
2019 1st rnd pick -became RB Josh Jacobs, 1 Pro Bowl /w Raiders. Currently in a time share
2019 6th rnd pick - became Blessuan Austin (traded to the Jets)
2020 1st rnd pick - became CB Damon Arnette, 7 career starts
2020 3rd rnd pick - became WR Bryan Edwards, 9 career starts, 29-539-2 stat line for his career


Maybe Chicago could have done more with those first rounders. Based on the existing track record I think it was better spent on a known quantity like Mack. Raiders absolutely squandered their haul. I'd rather have Mack, Kmet, and Hambright vs Jacobs, Arnette, and Edwards.


Gotta bring better evidence if you are gonna troll.


That cap space savings is massive.

Grid
10-26-2021, 03:45 PM
Gotta bring better evidence if you are gonna troll.

That cap space savings is massive.

I don't think any of that was trolling. For what the Raiders got with the Bears picks, isn't a whole lot more than the production the Bears are getting out of Mack.

I wouldn't say Mack isn't worth the money, the whole team pretty much sucks right now. But Mach does what he always has. Draws double teams and creates general havoc. That doesn't always show up in the stat lines.

The Bears had what the raiders needed. And that was a rookie QB on a crazy cheap contract. That allowed them to sign and pay Mack. The Raiders were giving Derek Car Mack money. They couldn't afford both.

I dont see a clear winner or loser in this one. Even though I love to point out flaws in the silly things the Bears do.

Eagle
10-26-2021, 05:02 PM
I don't think any of that was trolling. For what the Raiders got with the Bears picks, isn't a whole lot more than the production the Bears are getting out of Mack.

I wouldn't say Mack isn't worth the money, the whole team pretty much sucks right now. But Mach does what he always has. Draws double teams and creates general havoc. That doesn't always show up in the stat lines.

The Bears had what the raiders needed. And that was a rookie QB on a crazy cheap contract. That allowed them to sign and pay Mack. The Raiders were giving Derek Car Mack money. They couldn't afford both.

I dont see a clear winner or loser in this one. Even though I love to point out flaws in the silly things the Bears do.
My Raiders buddy tells me it was more that Mark Davis was actually cash strapped and literally couldn't afford to pay the signing/GTD $$ required than it was the fact the salary cap was being a hindrance. But what do I know.

djdevon
10-26-2021, 06:10 PM
My Raiders buddy tells me it was more that Mark Davis was actually cash strapped and literally couldn't afford to pay the signing/GTD $$ required than it was the fact the salary cap was being a hindrance. But what do I know.

How in the world can you be the sole owner of an NFL franchise, the Raiders no less and be cash strapped? It just doesn't make sense to me.

My bad, he and his mother own 47% of the team.

JWBlue
10-27-2021, 12:03 AM
Watched plenty of Bears games. Never really thought Mack impacted the game based on his salary.

Based on his cap hit, he should be playing like LT.

Grid
10-27-2021, 08:48 AM
My Raiders buddy tells me it was more that Mark Davis was actually cash strapped and literally couldn't afford to pay the signing/GTD $$ required than it was the fact the salary cap was being a hindrance. But what do I know.

Which may very well be true. But still feeds into the "Who won" debate. If the Raiders couldn't move Mack, then they couldn't have paid Carr. And which one helps the team more?

So many variables when dissecting something like this. And who is to say the Raiders wouldn't have picked Johnson with their own draft pick, had they not had the bears pick as well?

Plenty of what if's, that no one will have the answers to.

At the end of the day, the Raiders added draft value and the money to pay for Carr. The Bears got a generational talent at LB, who has gone to the Pro Bowl for them every year since they got him, and even All pro just last season.

I dont think anyone is looking back at this trade as one sided. They both did OK

KevJo
10-27-2021, 11:12 AM
Bears giving Mack the week off this week makes me think he might be going to a contender at the trade deadline. He has been red hot this season and has to be coveted by several teams looking to bolster their pass rush for a run to the playoffs.

Kevin

rman112
10-27-2021, 11:15 AM
Bears giving Mack the week off this week makes me think he might be going to a contender at the trade deadline. He has been red hot this season and has to be coveted by several teams looking to bolster their pass rush for a run to the playoffs.

Kevin

He's still owed a lottt of money. Look at those cap hits:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/khalil-mack-14414/

KevJo
10-27-2021, 11:16 AM
Watched plenty of Bears games. Never really thought Mack impacted the game based on his salary.

Based on his cap hit, he should be playing like LT.

See this is a casual statement here, Pagano was inept and floundered Mack on the edge exclusively with double and triple teams often. Now that Desai is the DC and Mack and Quinn are being moved around they are one of the best pass rush duos in the game right now. Pagano dropping Mack in pass coverage vs Alvin Kamara last year should give an idea to his ineptness, c'mon now.

Kevin

rman112
10-27-2021, 11:17 AM
You'd have to restructure.

thewesdub
10-27-2021, 11:19 AM
Bears giving Mack the week off this week makes me think he might be going to a contender at the trade deadline. He has been red hot this season and has to be coveted by several teams looking to bolster their pass rush for a run to the playoffs.


He sure would look nice in a Cowboys uni next to Tank Lawrence and Randy Gregory.

KevJo
10-27-2021, 11:20 AM
You'd have to restructure.

For sure. I have watched every game this season, Nagy is horrendous. Fields is NOT ready and they have him playing with a bad foot. With Hicks perpetually injured and zero passing game, its not looking good for my Bears. I have been a Mack fan since the combine 2014. I want him to go somewhere where he will compete and Chicago ain't it for a while.

Kevin

IlliniBear
10-28-2021, 12:33 PM
Bears giving Mack the week off this week makes me think he might be going to a contender at the trade deadline. He has been red hot this season and has to be coveted by several teams looking to bolster their pass rush for a run to the playoffs.

Kevin

As a Bear fan I was concerned this injury blew their chance to trade him. Hopefully the injury is minor and the idiots running the franchise realize they have no chance at winning a playoff game this year and we should trade our aging talent to help the rebuild.

Mack and Quinn could be important pieces for a contender.

IlliniBear
10-28-2021, 12:33 PM
For sure. I have watched every game this season, Nagy is horrendous. Fields is NOT ready and they have him playing with a bad foot. With Hicks perpetually injured and zero passing game, its not looking good for my Bears. I have been a Mack fan since the combine 2014. I want him to go somewhere where he will compete and Chicago ain't it for a while.

Kevin

I’d love to see Mack on a contender. Shame he’s been wasting his talents in Chicago.

Grid
10-28-2021, 02:05 PM
As a Bear fan I was concerned this injury blew their chance to trade him. Hopefully the injury is minor and the idiots running the franchise realize they have no chance at winning a playoff game this year and we should trade our aging talent to help the rebuild.

Mack and Quinn could be important pieces for a contender.

Everyone knows the Bear need to rebuild. But the Bears still wont admit to that.

They have the talent, even with this coaching staff, to stay a .500 team. What good is that?

Next year, Mack is a $30MIl hit to the cap. Quinn is $17MIL. Eddie Jackson certainly didn't live up to his extension, and is $15MIL. Eddie Goldman flamed out fast, and that is $12MIL. Trevathan is getting slow, and he is $6MIL. Outside of Roquan, no one is earning their money.

The Bears are so upside down on these contracts, their highest paid players (not named above) are a kicker (Santos), a tailback that cant stay healthy(Cohen).

A pair of DE's that no one has heard of (Edwards and Blackson) 2 journeymen QB's that they dont use (Dalton and Foles) and a tackle that has yet to see the field (Teven Jenkins)

Its ugly!

KevJo
10-29-2021, 01:12 AM
As a Bear fan I was concerned this injury blew their chance to trade him. Hopefully the injury is minor and the idiots running the franchise realize they have no chance at winning a playoff game this year and we should trade our aging talent to help the rebuild.

Mack and Quinn could be important pieces for a contender.

Only a sprain, he has been playing through it at a high level. Highly HIGHLY doubt it would sway a team away from acquiring him. The $$$ would be more the factor why.

Kevin

KevJo
10-29-2021, 01:13 AM
I’d love to see Mack on a contender. Shame he’s been wasting his talents in Chicago.

Yup, along with Allen Robinson, Hicks and their other talented players.

Kevin