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Thor34
09-04-2018, 06:53 PM
I have not seen posted anywhere on the internet what the total card count is for each one of the 1993 Topps Finest basketball Refractors.
Anybody got a clue on this or seen published accounts of the totals?
This subject has been addressed with baseball but I can find no such discussion or math calculations involving this product and the few resulting refractors.
Would be interested in any posting to this topic or postulations.
Thanks.
ThoseBackPages
09-04-2018, 06:54 PM
i wouldnt think more then a few thousand of each
Myerburg311
09-04-2018, 07:24 PM
nvm..
Thor34
09-04-2018, 07:25 PM
nvm..
241?
Can this be substantiated anywhere?
Please share how you came about this number?
Thanks.
Myerburg311
09-04-2018, 07:30 PM
saw 1993 finest and went to baseball right away.. didn't realize till after I fully read your post you meant basketball
slum22
09-04-2018, 07:43 PM
Well there are 429 Jordan Refractors graded by PSA and 319 graded by BGS. Even if there is overlap with crackouts and crosses, etc. I would think we are in the thousands. What percent of his refractors have been graded by this point? 5%, 10%, 25%... Based on the number of cards graded I would say Eric's estimate above is probably close.
Anyway, thanks for posting. I am curious to see if anyone on here has a good idea or can reverse engineer a good estimate. At any rate, this seems likes a good excuse to whip out my MJ Refractor :D I love this card.
https://i.imgur.com/T7JIZ5Cl.jpg
Thor34
09-04-2018, 07:49 PM
Steve - Gorgeous. Would love to acquire one myself.
Thanks for posting your scan.
drobfan8
09-04-2018, 08:06 PM
You could guess that half have been graded, but maybe more.
I would think there's 1500 - 2000 of them. Maybe as many as 3000, that would seem high though.
phdbeckett
09-04-2018, 08:10 PM
My estimate is 1000, maybe a bit more. I have owned and do own a lot of these, and know of several sets built and being built.
ThoseBackPages
09-04-2018, 08:10 PM
Well there are 429 Jordan Refractors graded by PSA and 319 graded by BGS. Even if there is overlap with crackouts and crosses, etc. I would think we are in the thousands. What percent of his refractors have been graded by this point? 5%, 10%, 25%... Based on the number of cards graded I would say Eric's estimate above is probably close.
Anyway, thanks for posting. I am curious to see if anyone on here has a good idea or can reverse engineer a good estimate. At any rate, this seems likes a good excuse to whip out my MJ Refractor :D I love this card.
https://i.imgur.com/T7JIZ5Cl.jpg
only a 9??? burn it!!!!! Send it to me, i will >:)
yaoming
09-04-2018, 09:20 PM
My favorite refractor, the very first and the best looking of them all
For those who started collecting in early 90s, this was the absolute first high end cards ever
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rdleifriaf
09-04-2018, 09:29 PM
Love these cards
http://www.callmefairf.com/basketball_cards/pictures/wilkins/93-94_Finest_Refractors_163.jpg http://www.callmefairf.com/basketball_cards/pictures/wilkins/93-94_Finest_Refractors_102.jpg
duron
09-04-2018, 09:37 PM
The god, the oak tree
https://i.imgur.com/Kaytuij.jpg
CastleBeachCards
09-04-2018, 09:53 PM
Good thing i have the whole set.........;)
Brantscard
09-04-2018, 10:10 PM
I managed a card shop then, and we had maybe 4-5 boxes that had one refractor per pack. This was out of 3-4 dozen boxes we had in stock over a few months. My best guess is at least 2000 of each.
Thor34
09-05-2018, 02:57 PM
Great info, thanks.
Has anyone come up with any substantive evidence of print run?
My Google searches have produced very little.
yaoming
09-05-2018, 03:20 PM
I don't think that card company ever release info/estimate on print run back in the early 90s.
However, from observation on ebays over lots of years, the 93/94 finest refractor is more rare then 94/95 Jordan finest refractor
the27guy
09-05-2018, 03:22 PM
However, from observation on ebays over lots of years, the 93/94 finest refractor is more rare then 94/95 Jordan finest refractor
This I agree with.
I like Phdbeckett's estimate most but admittedly, I don't really know. i was around in those days and never actually saw one in person.
shrevecity
09-05-2018, 03:26 PM
I managed a card shop then, and we had maybe 4-5 boxes that had one refractor per pack. This was out of 3-4 dozen boxes we had in stock over a few months. My best guess is at least 2000 of each.
I remember many boxes that did not have any either. We also got some boxes of I believe one of the Wild Card sets that every pack had 12 insert cards and 3 base cards was supposed to be the other way around.
If we could get overall odds on them and the approximate case production you could figure out a ballpark guess, but without that its just a guess. I would say somewhere in the 1500 range is close.
SteveO21
09-05-2018, 04:01 PM
Well there are 429 Jordan Refractors graded by PSA and 319 graded by BGS. Even if there is overlap with crackouts and crosses, etc. I would think we are in the thousands. What percent of his refractors have been graded by this point? 5%, 10%, 25%... Based on the number of cards graded I would say Eric's estimate above is probably close.
Anyway, thanks for posting. I am curious to see if anyone on here has a good idea or can reverse engineer a good estimate. At any rate, this seems likes a good excuse to whip out my MJ Refractor :D I love this card.
https://i.imgur.com/T7JIZ5Cl.jpg
Well then I'll bust out one of MJ's rivals from the 90's
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1842/43785065044_6c35c5cd67_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/29H8Uoy)
1993-94 FINEST REFRACTORS #11 REGGIE MILLER SP (PSA 9) (https://flic.kr/p/29H8Uoy) by SMosley21x (https://www.flickr.com/photos/58237108@N06/), on Flickr
duron
09-05-2018, 04:45 PM
I don't think that card company ever release info/estimate on print run back in the early 90s.
However, from observation on ebays over lots of years, the 93/94 finest refractor is more rare then 94/95 Jordan finest refractor
Ya, people here have confirmed a few times that the 94-95 MJ ref was overprinted to a point, more so than other players in the set.
Here's a post from gator naming all the SP's from the first 2 years:
Thanks, and yes, that is true. According to Beckett, these are the SPs:
93-94
3. Shaquille O'Neal*
7. Victor Alexander*
10. Don MacLean*
11. Reggie Miller*
12. Sarunas Marcuilionis*
28. Detlef Schrempf*
33. Pooh Richardson*
35. Pervis Ellison*
36. Jeff Malone*
40. Mark Aguirre*
41. Danny Ainge*
47. Anthony Mason*
48. Chris Morris*
49. Todd Day*
53. Muggsy Bogues*
56. Michael Adams*
57. Spud Webb*
64. Gary Grant*
66. Greg Anthony*
74. Clyde Drexler*
78. Kevin Willis*
84. Calbert Cheaney*
89. Horace Grant*
91. Clarence Weatherspoon AF*
105. Scottie Pippen CF*
106. Reggie Miller CF*
107. Mark Price CF*
113. Dennis Rodman MF*
116. Jim Jackson MF*
118. David Robinson MF*
128. Detlef Schrempf PF*
133. Chris Mills*
139. Vin Baker*
140. Gary Payton*
142. Orlando Woolridge*
147. Vernon Maxwell*
155. Wayman Tisdale*
165. Patrick Ewing*
170. Bill Cartwright*
173. Dennis Rodman*
180. Lee Mayberry*
182. Rick Fox*
190. Rex Walters*
204. Lloyd Daniels*
208. Scottie Pippen*
211. Hubert Davis*
212. Chris Webber*
217. Dale Ellis*
218. Harold Miner*
94-95
1. Chris Mullin CY*
2. Anthony Mason CY*
4. Jamal Mashburn CY*
18. Rodney Rogers*
27. Carl Herrera*
38. Rik Smits*
39. Brian Williams*
102. Glen Rice CY*
104. Chris Webber CY*
106. Tim Hardaway CY*
120. Chris Webber*
135. Dan Majerle*
138. Will Perdue*
139. Gheorghe Muresan*
140. Kendall Gill*
143. Willie Anderson*
149. Robert Horry*
150. John Stockton*
153. Elden Campbell CY*
155. Reggie Miller CY*
156. George Lynch*
162. Joe Kleine*
164. Steve Kerr*
scotthenrichs
09-05-2018, 05:27 PM
Here’s what I wonder, why are 95-96 refractors almost worthless compared to 93 and 94? Did they crank them off the presses like crazy that year? (And yes, I ask cause I have a 95-96 Jordan :D )
slum22
09-05-2018, 05:29 PM
Steve - Gorgeous. Would love to acquire one myself.
Thanks for posting your scan.
Thanks for the kind words. I am glad my scan has led to more. Threads are always better with pictures of cards in them :)!
I have both the 93 and 94 Jordan Refractors and when I was looking for them the 93 was definitely harder to find. I believe the odds in 1993 were supposed to be 1 refractor per hobby box and 2 per jumbo box. I suppose that is the easy part. Estimating case production is probably the challenge now.
duron
09-05-2018, 09:12 PM
Here’s what I wonder, why are 95-96 refractors almost worthless compared to 93 and 94? Did they crank them off the presses like crazy that year? (And yes, I ask cause I have a 95-96 Jordan :D )
Don't they go for more or less what the 94-95's do? If I'm wrong about that I'd just attribute it to the combination of the photo used and one of the weaker Finest base designs of the 90s.
The only year I've heard about them specifically pumping out more mj refractors than other players is 94-95. Someone had cited him appearing multiple times on the same sheets before they were cut.
yaoming
09-05-2018, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the kind words. I am glad my scan has led to more. Threads are always better with pictures of cards in them :)!
I have both the 93 and 94 Jordan Refractors and when I was looking for them the 93 was definitely harder to find. I believe the odds in 1993 were supposed to be 1 refractor per hobby box and 2 per jumbo box. I suppose that is the easy part. Estimating case production is probably the challenge now.
The regular hobby 24 pack box odds is 1:9 for refractors, most box has 3
The jumbo box , also has 24 packs, the odd is 1:4, you should get 6 a box
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Jasondr91
09-06-2018, 11:31 AM
I recently cracked a sealed 93/94 Finest box, hit x3 refractors from it from a x24 pack box.
I remember these originally being basically 1:12 packs early on, or typically x2 per box. Jumbos yielding more.
However, I'm seeing comments made about 94/95 being more plentiful than the original year. I believe this isn't accurate.. 94/95 was created in 2 series, and the print run was short. Just try to find sealed boxes online, any series. Of course the ones with the Kidd, Hill and Jordan are the better boxes. But there are series 1 refractors that are pretty rough to locate. I can believe that the Jordan #45 was double printed in the refractor version. This very thing happened the following year with 95/96, and when Magic Johnson briefly returned. His base refractor was most definitely double printed.
There are some tough 93/94 refractors, and there are some really tough 94/95 ones. I have found far more 93/94 refractors when searching over the various 94/95 refractors.
Print runs? Tough call....some seem x500, x100, x1500
Now......want to find some bizarre refractors? Look for certain checklist versions!
duron
09-06-2018, 02:42 PM
However, I'm seeing comments made about 94/95 being more plentiful than the original year.
Have people claimed that in other threads? The only thing I've referred to is the MJ specifically, not the overall run.
As for the specific short prints, I believe gatorboy is more or less spot on with his SP list I quoted on the previous page.
I recently cracked a sealed 93/94 Finest box, hit x3 refractors from it from a x24 pack box.
I remember these originally being basically 1:12 packs early on, or typically x2 per box. Jumbos yielding more.
However, I'm seeing comments made about 94/95 being more plentiful than the original year. I believe this isn't accurate.. 94/95 was created in 2 series, and the print run was short. Just try to find sealed boxes online, any series. Of course the ones with the Kidd, Hill and Jordan are the better boxes. But there are series 1 refractors that are pretty rough to locate. I can believe that the Jordan #45 was double printed in the refractor version. This very thing happened the following year with 95/96, and when Magic Johnson briefly returned. His base refractor was most definitely double printed.
There are some tough 93/94 refractors, and there are some really tough 94/95 ones. I have found far more 93/94 refractors when searching over the various 94/95 refractors.
Print runs? Tough call....some seem x500, x100, x1500
Now......want to find some bizarre refractors? Look for certain checklist versions!
The Magic refractor was 6 Printed as per a story in Beckett back in the day. They confirmed it was inserted at 1:216 which was approximately 6 times easier than any other individual card in series 2.
Jasondr91
09-06-2018, 04:07 PM
Have people claimed that in other threads? The only thing I've referred to is the MJ specifically, not the overall run.
As for the specific short prints, I believe gatorboy is more or less spot on with his SP list I quoted on the previous page.
That's why I bolded the MJ part specifically. Over the past 20+ years, yes, I have heard talk that people assumed the Finest print runs increased every year (thus the refractors were more plentiful), specifically with the buzz Grant Hill and Jason Kidd had coming out of college. 94/95 overall was an overproduced year, but Finest was not.
Since we are talking about the Jordan, there seriously needs to be more talk about the Jordan Finest, with peel....that shows him in the #23 jersey, using the same photo that's depicted on the #45 jersey.
That is one interesting card.
rats60
09-06-2018, 04:54 PM
The first year was by far the most heavily printed refractor. There were Jumbo cases that were nothing but Refractors. I believe the print run is many times the numbers being thrown out. 94/95 Finest series 1 was the shortest printed. There were no rookies in series 1, so it was lightly ordered. The print run for series 2 was much higher for series 2, probably on the order of 93/94 without the all refractor boxes. By the 3rd year, both series were heavily order with rookies in series 1 and the Jordan, Magic and first Rodman with Bulls in series 2.
I put together sets of Finest Refractors each of the 1st 5 years, I slowed down with the strike and Jordan retiring. 93/94 was by far the easiest set to make. There were plenty of all refractor boxes and Refractors were all over the place. 94/95 was the most difficult to make because of series 1 and short prints within the series. Series 2 was easy to find. 95/96 was about the same as 94/95 Series 2, maybe even easier because there were all refractor boxes, but they were much rarer than 93/94 Finest all refractor boxes. 96/97 and 97/98 were difficult because of the gold Refractors, but still not as tough as 94/95 Series 1 SPs.
I think there are tons of 93/94 Finest Refractors stored away in inactive collections. Looking at populations by PSA and BGS won't give you an idea of the true populations.
Thor34
09-06-2018, 05:24 PM
The information here has been amazing but really no one has done a mathematical study as to just what that means in reference to the original question about exactly what was the print run on 93/94 refractors.
Jordan being a good reference point; I am fascinated by this topic.
RayB
yaoming
09-06-2018, 09:06 PM
Agree with thor
Rats... thank you for those info
So you can have a “hot” box both in jumbo and regular hobby boxes?
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rats60
09-06-2018, 09:56 PM
Agree with thor
Rats... thank you for those info
So you can have a “hot” box both in jumbo and regular hobby boxes?
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I know a dealer who got 2 cases of 93 Finest Jumbos and every card was a refractor.
yaoming
09-06-2018, 10:04 PM
I know a dealer who got 2 cases of 93 Finest Jumbos and every card was a refractor.
[emoji33][emoji33][emoji50][emoji33]. Wow
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Giantrobot
09-06-2018, 11:12 PM
I agree with rats60....I don’t think the 93-94 refractors are particularly hard to find. I was collecting back in the ‘90s when they were new. I also think that set is the least attractive of the early Finest sets, but I digress.
deemsterz33
09-06-2018, 11:42 PM
Love this thread, wish they didn't all turn green though!
CastleBeachCards
09-07-2018, 12:31 AM
All refractor boxes is nuts........I heard about 95/96 series 1 hot boxes, but very rare. never heard of any others. I feel there's a lot of opinions here but not concrete facts..........guess that's part of the fun of it.
Although, I guess it's cool that I have a sealed case of 94/95 series 1 after reading rats comments
Thor34
09-13-2018, 09:17 AM
Figured I'd bump this in case any new readers wanted to chime in on the conversation.
phdbeckett
09-13-2018, 01:56 PM
That's why I bolded the MJ part specifically. Over the past 20+ years, yes, I have heard talk that people assumed the Finest print runs increased every year (thus the refractors were more plentiful), specifically with the buzz Grant Hill and Jason Kidd had coming out of college. 94/95 overall was an overproduced year, but Finest was not.
Since we are talking about the Jordan, there seriously needs to be more talk about the Jordan Finest, with peel....that shows him in the #23 jersey, using the same photo that's depicted on the #45 jersey.
That is one interesting card.
I didn't even know of these until PWCC had one last year. Overall there has to be an incredibly low print of these, or they were "insider only" (not samples) and the Topps people who have them are holding them.
2010GBPackers
09-15-2018, 08:32 AM
Since we are talking about the Jordan, there seriously needs to be more talk about the Jordan Finest, with peel....that shows him in the #23 jersey, using the same photo that's depicted on the #45 jersey.
That is one interesting card.
I didn't even know of these until PWCC had one last year. Overall there has to be an incredibly low print of these, or they were "insider only" (not samples) and the Topps people who have them are holding them.
At the 2017 Nationals in Chicago, I traded for the one pictured below. The seller was Evan Mathis. He said that he and his business partner acquired the entire print run from a gentleman whose company created the "Chrome technology" for Topps. My guess is that this is a prototype they created on-the-fly, once Jordan announced his return. Remember, he announced his return during the season, on March 18th! They had no reason to believe he'd wear a different number, so this was their mock-up. The next day, March 19th, he played for the Bulls wearing the #45. We can assume that they most likely only made one print run of these because they found out the next day he switched numbers. The #45 on the hobby-issued series 2 card is merely airbrushed on.
If you search by serial # on Beckett (I did) you'll find that:
A bundle of these were all graded on August 29th, 2016 and contain the following serial numbers:
0009430233
through
0009430254
for a total of 22 cards
I was told by Evan that they put a "minimum grade" when they were submitted (I think BGS 8) and most didn't achieve that status so they were slabbed authentic. I believe they were cut short. There is one PSA 9 that slipped through their grading. I say "slipped through" because they won't grade this issue because of it's mysterious origins. I have the highest graded BGS example and won't be letting go anytime soon. The one Probstein has up for BIN is a steal, I believe.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/mosdefmil/IMG_3074.jpg
If anyone has more information (or speculation), I'd love to hear it.
There is some information on it here as well:
https://jordancards.com/blog/1994-95-jordan-finest-wearing-23/
duron
09-05-2022, 10:32 PM
Bumping instead of making a new thread...
Been dm'ing back and forth with a former Beckett mag analyst who says the definitive number of the standard, non-sp refractors is 500.
Now I know that in baseball the number usually cited is 241, has anyone ever heard of a similarly low number in basketball?
Have these cards just been crossed and/or regraded so much that it explains the pops?
He also mentioned how the Mayberry is the most short printed of all, found that really interesting.
hermanotarjeta
09-05-2022, 11:29 PM
Bumping instead of making a new thread...
Been dm'ing back and forth with a former Beckett mag analyst who says the definitive number of the standard, non-sp refractors is 500.
Now I know that in baseball the number usually cited is 241, has anyone ever heard of a similarly low number in basketball?
Have these cards just been crossed and/or regraded so much that it explains the pops?
He also mentioned how the Mayberry is the most short printed of all, found that really interesting.
The basketball refractor print run was WAY higher than the baseball one. Topps announced a print run of 4000 cases for 1993 finest baseball. No print run was ever announced for the basketball product, but i'm sure it ran 10,000 plus cases. The cards were everywhere and easy to find. And as people alluded to above, refractor hot boxes and hot cases were not unusual, and i've seen plenty of completed 1993-94 refractor basketball sets in my life, and even in boonie towns. I would estimate that there are at least 1000-1500 of each 1993-94 finest basketball refractor.
To clarify on the 1994-95 finest jordan refractor, it was definitely rarer than the 1993-94. There is no way it was double-printed. I bought several copies at $350 apiece back in 1997, whereas the easier to find 1993-94 finest refractor was selling at about $250 at the time.
I'm also not convinced that there are any TRUE sp 1993-94 finest basketball refractors. I believe it was more of a collation/regional issue. I've seen many sp's get pulled in certain batches, whereas in other batches they are hard to get. It's all conjecture, as with the baseball sp's.
gymratcards
09-05-2022, 11:37 PM
I'm also not convinced that there are any TRUE sp 1993-94 finest basketball refractors. I believe it was more of a collation/regional issue. I've seen many sp's get pulled in certain batches, whereas in other batches they are hard to get. It's all conjecture, as with the baseball sp's.
I recall buying boxes at Walmart in the mid-90s that were repacks of basketball cards from various sets. The boxes were produced by Excel or some such card distributor. They were loaded with 93-94 refractors, many of which were the ‘SPs’. Based upon the availability of refractors in quantity at Walmart, I suspect that 500 is a vast under-estimate of the actual print run.
duron
09-06-2022, 12:47 AM
The basketball refractor print run was WAY higher than the baseball one. Topps announced a print run of 4000 cases for 1993 finest baseball. No print run was ever announced for the basketball product, but i'm sure it ran 10,000 plus cases. The cards were everywhere and easy to find. And as people alluded to above, refractor hot boxes and hot cases were not unusual, and i've seen plenty of completed 1993-94 refractor basketball sets in my life, and even in boonie towns. I would estimate that there are at least 1000-1500 of each 1993-94 finest basketball refractor.
To clarify on the 1994-95 finest jordan refractor, it was definitely rarer than the 1993-94. There is no way it was double-printed. I bought several copies at $350 apiece back in 1997, whereas the easier to find 1993-94 finest refractor was selling at about $250 at the time.
I'm also not convinced that there are any TRUE sp 1993-94 finest basketball refractors. I believe it was more of a collation/regional issue. I've seen many sp's get pulled in certain batches, whereas in other batches they are hard to get. It's all conjecture, as with the baseball sp's.
I know they never stated a case print run like they did in baseball, so the conjecture about basketball really intrigues me.
He seemed very sure of his information, but I still took it with a grain of salt even before he tried saying greening wasn’t really a big issue in 93, and that it was more of an issue 95-02. I’m sure most of us recognize that that’s completely backwards, and that hulking stopped right around 98. It almost goes without saying how heavily affected 93 was.
That part boggled my mind because he said he put together 15 total 93-94 refractor sets. How could you not notice the issue?
I recall buying boxes at Walmart in the mid-90s that were repacks of basketball cards from various sets. The boxes were produced by Excel or some such card distributor. They were loaded with 93-94 refractors, many of which were the ‘SPs’. Based upon the availability of refractors in quantity at Walmart, I suspect that 500 is a vast under-estimate of the actual print run.
I first started opening boxes around this time too but it was nothing but Fleer and skybox until around 95.
How exactly did such an sp list even materialize in the first place?
That would be pretty wild if this same person was the guy designating the sp’s in Beckett.
I recall buying boxes at Walmart in the mid-90s that were repacks of basketball cards from various sets. The boxes were produced by Excel or some such card distributor. They were loaded with 93-94 refractors, many of which were the ‘SPs’. Based upon the availability of refractors in quantity at Walmart, I suspect that 500 is a vast under-estimate of the actual print run.
I know they never stated a case print run like they did in baseball, so the conjecture about basketball really intrigues me.
He seemed very sure of his information, but I still took it with a grain of salt even before he tried saying greening wasn’t really a big issue in 93, and that it was more of an issue 95-02. I’m sure most of us recognize that that’s completely backwards, and that hulking stopped right around 98. It almost goes without saying how heavily affected 93 was.
That part boggled my mind because he said he put together 15 total 93-94 refractor sets. How could you not notice the issue?
I first started opening boxes around this time too but it was nothing but Fleer and skybox until around 95.
How exactly did such an sp list even materialize in the first place?
That would be pretty wild if this same person was the guy designating the sp’s in Beckett.
I'll dig out the Beckett that ran a story on this in, maybe, 95. Had Penny and Lil Penny on the cover but they confirmed that a large quantity were distributed via Walmart and the origins of the short print list were here. I believe it was only ever speculation and never confirmed/proven.
1980bust
09-06-2022, 05:47 AM
Bumping instead of making a new thread...
Been dm'ing back and forth with a former Beckett mag analyst who says the definitive number of the standard, non-sp refractors is 500.
He also mentioned how the Mayberry is the most short printed of all, found that really interesting.
Wow - I'd always thought that the print run on these was 1000 for the non-SPs, and obviously less for the SPs.
The Mayberry makes sense to me - when I was putting together this set a while back, the Mayberry very, very rarely ever showed up anywhere, and ALWAYS went for a price that seemed super high.
2010GBPackers
09-06-2022, 11:44 AM
The basketball refractor print run was WAY higher than the baseball one. Topps announced a print run of 4000 cases for 1993 finest baseball. No print run was ever announced for the basketball product, but i'm sure it ran 10,000 plus cases. The cards were everywhere and easy to find. And as people alluded to above, refractor hot boxes and hot cases were not unusual, and i've seen plenty of completed 1993-94 refractor basketball sets in my life, and even in boonie towns. I would estimate that there are at least 1000-1500 of each 1993-94 finest basketball refractor.
To clarify on the 1994-95 finest jordan refractor, it was definitely rarer than the 1993-94. There is no way it was double-printed. I bought several copies at $350 apiece back in 1997, whereas the easier to find 1993-94 finest refractor was selling at about $250 at the time.
I'm also not convinced that there are any TRUE sp 1993-94 finest basketball refractors. I believe it was more of a collation/regional issue. I've seen many sp's get pulled in certain batches, whereas in other batches they are hard to get. It's all conjecture, as with the baseball sp's.
The 1994-95 Finest Jordan was not double-printed, that is correct. It was printed on it's own sheet (see below). It's tough to say if it was SP'd or how SP'd it was because of its late entry into Series 2 (link to the #45 Finest Jordan's history) - https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1518115
I'm with you, though. I think the 1994-95 Finest Jordan is rarer than the 1993-94 copy, it's just difficult to estimate how much rarer it is because of its unique history.
1994-95 Finest Jordan sheet:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52066898890_44c2772b62.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2njYt4h)
hermanotarjeta
09-06-2022, 12:04 PM
The 1994-95 Finest Jordan was not double-printed, that is correct. It was printed on it's own sheet (see below). It's tough to say if it was SP'd or how SP'd it was because of its late entry into Series 2 (link to the #45 Finest Jordan's history) - https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1518115
I'm with you, though. I think the 1994-95 Finest Jordan is rarer than the 1993-94 copy, it's just difficult to estimate how much rarer it is because of its unique history.
1994-95 Finest Jordan sheet:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52066898890_44c2772b62.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2njYt4h)
Why do I get such a nice, fuzzy warm feeling when I see that uncut sheet?
Yes, it was inserted later into the product after notice of his return.
I'll dig out the Beckett that ran a story on this in, maybe, 95. Had Penny and Lil Penny on the cover but they confirmed that a large quantity were distributed via Walmart and the origins of the short print list were here. I believe it was only ever speculation and never confirmed/proven.
That article is in the March 1996 issue.
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