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RiceBondsMT2Yng
09-11-2018, 04:53 AM
I'm currently trying to find the best possible examples of Barry Bonds' 1986 and 1987 cards for my PC. To that end, I recently picked up a Pristine 1987 Topps Barry Bonds, his only true Topps RC.

When first I took it out of the bubble mailer I thought it looked washed out and dull, nothing like the scan I relied on to buy it. It wasn't until later when I got the chance to compare it to other cards in the 1987 Topps family that I realized why. Turns out, the registration isn't great. Upon magnification, you can see where color from the photograph leaks into the thin white border that frames the right edge of the image. It matches the color leakage in the circle with the team insignia near the top left corner. The magenta/yellow is misaligned, which is why the card - and especially its wooden border - has a green hue compared to cards next to it.

But the major thing I only realized weeks later was that the edges look unnaturally clean to the naked eye and then at who-know-how-many-times magnification from a 1200dpi scan. They don't look cut by the type of blade that chewed up cards in the 80s and left even the mintiest cards with rough, fibrous edges.

I have no idea if I'm being paranoid and this is simply a freakishly well-cut card. After all, it's one of only a handful of copies to earn a BGS 10 out of the thousands that have been submitted and resubmitted to PSA and BGS. And there's one more thing bugging me. When I matched my raw cards against the card in the slab, the slabbed card was taller and a little wider. That's why the border appears fatter up and down as well as side to side. Production quality control was notoriously bad during this era, and this isn't the first 1987 Topps card that sports a noticeably fatter border than is typical. But it's one more factor leaving doubt in my mind about whether this is a pack-pulled card, factory-cut in the 1980s.

What do you think?

I'm going to include the large native scan in the first reply so it doesn't screw up the post. I would include the native scan of the slabbed O-Pee-Chee for comparison, since you can really only see the loose fibers at that magnification, but the one scan may already be obnoxiously big. By comparison, there's not one stray fiber or bumpy edge anywhere along the perimeter of the BGS. Here's a bird's eye view so you can see why my initial impression was what it was even with the naked eye:

Topps Bonds (want to grade) --------- OPC Bonds PSA 10 -------- OPC Bonds (purchased loose to touch and compare)
Tiffany Bonds (from my set) ---------------------------------------- OPC Bonds (purchased loose to study printing errors)
Tiffany Bonilla (from my set) -------- Topps Bonds BGS 10 ------- Tiffany Ray (from my set)

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RiceBondsMT2Yng
09-11-2018, 04:53 AM
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rcmb3220
09-11-2018, 05:48 AM
Which subgrade got 9.5? If it was surface, then yes.

smapdi
09-11-2018, 09:29 AM
What's the question? BGS grades sheet-cut cards. They acknowledged that years ago.

BTW, a 10,000 pixel image is just obnoxious. Please host it elsewhere and provide a link.

RiceBondsMT2Yng
09-12-2018, 06:52 AM
What's the question? BGS grades sheet-cut cards. They acknowledged that years ago.
BTW, a 10,000 pixel image is just obnoxious. Please host it elsewhere and provide a link.
Sorry, I don't know how to create a thumbnail that takes you to the native scan on Flickr. I cut it down to just the card in question so I hope it's better? If it's still annoying I'll take it down altogether. I also heard that BGS admits to grading sheet-cut but I couldn't find much on how you can tell it apart from pack-pulled. What do you think about sheet-cut cards in this context? Without proof, can anyone ever really tell definitively, or only suspect? If it is sheet-cut, would you return it?


Which subgrade got 9.5? If it was surface, then yes.
Yeah, I read somewhere that a 9.5 surface sub-grade is the telltale sign for sheet-cut but I was wondering why a pack-pulled card couldn't also score all 10s but a 9.5 on surface.

smapdi
09-12-2018, 09:41 AM
Spotting a sheet cut is usually a matter of what's missing rather than what you can see. For a set like 1987 Topps, I really don't know. They printed a billion of each card, so it seems strange that someone would cut one from a sheet. It's usually something old where it's an issue, like 1950s-60s cards, and OPC Hockey is also a big deal. When you see an OPC Gretzky rookie with sharp edges, your radar should start pinging, because they are notoriously fuzzy. But the human eye can detect lots of things unconsciously, which would give you that "somethings weird" feeling and you have to then really examine closely. Maybe it's a millimeter too large or too small, or the way the edge sits isn't what you're used to. For BGS to slab them and not differentiate them in some way is pretty much a disservice, but hey, ten bucks is ten bucks.

robert0629
09-12-2018, 03:08 PM
Yeah, I read somewhere that a 9.5 surface sub-grade is the telltale sign for sheet-cut but I was wondering why a pack-pulled card couldn't also score all 10s but a 9.5 on surface.

I agree with smapdi, in the previous post. I don't see much reason for anyone to submit a sheet cut card from 1987 Topps baseball. But with sets that are less common you might see it. I once owned a 1979 OPC Gretzky that was sheet cut, and a 1980 Topps Rickey Henderson that I believed was also sheet cut. One of the issues that I noticed for both of these cards was warping. I believe this is because the sheet come rolled up. Someone might have placed the cards under heavy objects to try and flatten them out, but it's difficult to remove the warping completely. Anyway, due to the slight warping the overall grade for each of these cards was probably lower because of this particular surface issue. Check the sides of your Bonds card to see if it's warped a bit. Another issue with the surface could be fading. If an uncut sheet isn't stored inside of a container, sunlight will fade some of the cards on the outside of the sheet. Other surface issues may arise from not being able to adequately protect an uncut sheet. It's easy to throw a packed pulled card into a penny sleeve and toploader after pulling it, but protecting an uncut sheet is another matter.