We are closing in on the Quarter Mark , Who is your MVP as of now ?

[broncomanning18]

My top 3 would be Giannis, Embiid, Lebron
Who do you guys have ?
Would love to hear your thoughts

[rhigh2390]

Giannis

[ChampCards]

Lebron the King James

[the27guy]

Marc Gasol.

How on earth are they first in the West?

[rhigh2390]

Marc Gasol.

How on earth are they first in the West?

Haha true that! CRAZY!! Just looked at the standings and thought it was an error.

[the27guy]

Haha true that! CRAZY!! Just looked at the standings and thought it was an error.

For real.

Jazz have played them three times and were fortunate to get one. Marc is friggin incredible.

[ballhawkdawk]

I watch Embiid on a regular basis... dude can play, like, for real. I don’t know if he’s MVP, but he’s up there. Unstoppable on offense and can lock down all 5 positions on defense.

[the27guy]

In all seriousness.... this is how I’d vote today.

1. Giannis.
2. Marc
3. AD
4. Embiid
5. Steph

[broncomanning18]

I watch Embiid on a regular basis... dude can play, like, for real. I don’t know if he’s MVP, but he’s up there. Unstoppable on offense and can lock down all 5 positions on defense.

I feel like his rebound totals are up, I always see him with like 15, or 19, is he trying harder ???

[broncomanning18]

In all seriousness.... this is how I’d vote today.

1. Giannis.
2. Marc
3. AD
4. Embiid
5. Steph

Not bad at all, I like the Gasol pick, I had no idea

[theLUCKYshow]

Man everyone's in love with Embiid this year for MVP. Why?! How did Embiid and the 76ers do his "rookie" year without Simmons? What did the 76ers do when Embiid went down last year? Ben Simmons might not be able to shoot, but he creates pace, finds the open man, doesn't take too many bad shots, defends, and just plays winning basketball. Without Simmons, Embiid and the 76ers would be mediocre.

Ok, my top 3 for MVP so far:

1) Giannis - the signature win against a healthy GSW seals it for me
2) Kemba - no love but so deserving
3) Steph - his injury actually helps make this case because of how poor GSW looks right now


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[broncomanning18]

Man everyone's in love with Embiid this year for MVP. Why?! How did Embiid and the 76ers do his "rookie" year without Simmons? What did the 76ers do when Embiid went down last year? Ben Simmons might not be able to shoot, but he creates pace, finds the open man, doesn't take too many bad shots, defends, and just plays winning basketball. Without Simmons, Embiid and the 76ers would be mediocre.

Ok, my top 3 for MVP so far:

1) Giannis - the signature win against a healthy GSW seals it for me
2) Kemba - no love but so deserving
3) Steph - his injury actually helps make this case because of how poor GSW looks right now


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true on steph, but draymond has hardly played any, of course they are a lot worst with 2 of the superstars out

[kingmogul]

Giannis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GreatAlbert]

In all seriousness.... this is how I’d vote today.

1. Giannis.
2. Marc
3. AD
4. Embiid
5. Steph

I think this is a good list. Weird not thinking LeBron should be in here, but will likely be at season's end.

Its amazing to watch what Giannis does every game. I don't really realize how great it is to have him on your team until I watch other teams play.

[broncomanning18]

Man everyone's in love with Embiid this year for MVP. Why?! How did Embiid and the 76ers do his "rookie" year without Simmons? What did the 76ers do when Embiid went down last year? Ben Simmons might not be able to shoot, but he creates pace, finds the open man, doesn't take too many bad shots, defends, and just plays winning basketball. Without Simmons, Embiid and the 76ers would be mediocre.

Ok, my top 3 for MVP so far:

1) Giannis - the signature win against a healthy GSW seals it for me
2) Kemba - no love but so deserving
3) Steph - his injury actually helps make this case because of how poor GSW looks right now


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t


the 76ers are the 3rd team in the East and embiid is averaging 28/13 and 2 blocks per game. What are you not understanding about why everyone thinks he has been great

[theLUCKYshow]

t


the 76ers are the 3rd team in the East and embiid is averaging 28/13 and 2 blocks per game. What are you not understanding about why everyone thinks he has been great

My point is that Ben Simmons is a bigger part of the winning formula than Joel Embiid. The 76ers rattled off ten straight wins when Embiid went down at the end of last year. 10 straight! Maybe I'm focusing a bit too much on that in my own head but how do you rattle off 10 wins in a row without your MVP? I get he's having a great season and he's putting up gaudy numbers but I also watched a lot of that with DeMarcus Cousins when he was a King.

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[jjohnson814]

How is LeBron not on everyone's list. I know I'm biased but come on. Are people just tired of seeing him on top?

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[gameissued]

1. Embiid - Big numbers while locking down the other team's big.. AD had how many points today? And Whiteside, Drummond?
2. Giannis - Could easily be #1 too but leaning toward Embiid for his dominance.
3. LeBron - True MVP always.. simply the most valuable player!

Steph not playing, and KD is not carrying the team. Kemba seems to lack the IT factor, whatever it is. Still too early to give real MVP consideration to Marc and the Grizzlies.

[drobfan8]

How is LeBron not on everyone's list. I know I'm biased but come on. Are people just tired of seeing him on top?

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You're not watching the other teams enough.

Giannis for me is the clear no. 1.

Kemba has dragged a team of absolute scrubs to a respectable record. Dude has been crazy.

AD has dominated either side of his injury.

Embiid!!!

I'd actually go Conley over Gasol.

But if Steph didn't go down he would be my favorite.

LeBron is in the mix for sure.

[drobfan8]

My point is that Ben Simmons is a bigger part of the winning formula than Joel Embiid. The 76ers rattled off ten straight wins when Embiid went down at the end of last year. 10 straight! Maybe I'm focusing a bit too much on that in my own head but how do you rattle off 10 wins in a row without your MVP? I get he's having a great season and he's putting up gaudy numbers but I also watched a lot of that with DeMarcus Cousins when he was a King.

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That was a huge part of their season last, but Ben has not been like that yet this season for whatever reason.

Embiid has gone to another level.

[jjohnson814]

I didn't say he has to be number 1. But for a guy in his 17th season with a brand new team of young guys... It's incredibly impressive. I'm watching every team. Lots of great players all over the league. It's an exciting time for the NBA!You're not watching the other teams enough.

Giannis for me is the clear no. 1.

Kemba has dragged a team of absolute scrubs to a respectable record. Dude has been crazy.

AD has dominated either side of his injury.

Embiid!!!

I'd actually go Conley over Gasol.

But if Steph didn't go down he would be my favorite.

LeBron is in the mix for sure.

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[theLUCKYshow]

How is LeBron not on everyone's list. I know I'm biased but come on. Are people just tired of seeing him on top?

Sent from my Pixel 3 using TapatalkYeah you're right. He's probably been screwed out of the MVP three or four times, just like Jordan. And no this not a Jordan vs Lebron thing.

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[ninjacookies]

Yeah you're right. He's probably been screwed out of the MVP three or four times, just like Jordan. And no this not a Jordan vs Lebron thing.

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Could be. I don't really take much issue with Lebron not winning more MVP's.


There was a lot more parity in talent back when Jordan was playing. A pretty large gap between him and most of his peers.

These days the lines have really blurred, especially with all these new positionless stretch players.

It means higher utilization and bigger numbers in more categories. Almost all the top guys are a triple double threat any given night.

[drobfan8]

I didn't say he has to be number 1. But for a guy in his 17th season with a brand new team of young guys... It's incredibly impressive. I'm watching every team. Lots of great players all over the league. It's an exciting time for the NBA!

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Yeah I had to re-read yours. He should be on every list for sure.

I'm not sure I'm crazy impressed that arguably the 2nd (or 1st to some) greatest player of all time has his talented squad in 7th place.

[the27guy]

I didn't say he has to be number 1. But for a guy in his 17th season with a brand new team of young guys... It's incredibly impressive. I'm watching every team. Lots of great players all over the league. It's an exciting time for the NBA!

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I don’t have him on my list because I don’t think he’s a top 5 guy so far. How many years he’s played is irrelevant in terms of this years MVP. He still blows me away. I’m definitely impressed with him. But he’s not higher than 7 or 8 so far.

Having said that, we’ve got about 80% of the season to play... and he could still get in the conversation and even win it. But the reason he’s in it now has more to do with who he is than what he’s actually accomplished this season.

[theLUCKYshow]

That was a huge part of their season last, but Ben has not been like that yet this season for whatever reason.

Embiid has gone to another level.Ben Simmons is the exact same player he was last season. Critics have been harsh on him this season because he hasn't expanded his game offensively but lets not frown at 15.3pts 9.2reb 7.7asts 1.3stla .7blks. Let's also not forget how bad this team was before Simmons stepped on the court for the 76ers. They were 28-54 in 16-17 even with Embiid (albeit as a rookie) playing 31 games (13-18 when playing).

Embiids numbers are up across the board partly because he's improved but also because he's playing nearly 5 more minutes per game. I'm not downplaying his numbers because 28pts 13reb 3.6asts is nasty, just trying to shed light why they've spiked so much.

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[hofcollector2]

I don’t have him on my list because I don’t think he’s a top 5 guy so far. How many years he’s played is irrelevant in terms of this years MVP. He still blows me away. I’m definitely impressed with him. But he’s not higher than 7 or 8 so far.

Having said that, we’ve got about 80% of the season to play... and he could still get in the conversation and even win it. But the reason he’s in it now has more to do with who he is than what he’s actually accomplished this season.

This, the lakers are in 7th place, that's not MVP worthy. Not only that Giannis and Embid, 2 of the front Runners play defense.

I would also add Kawhi to the MVP conversation over lebum

[jjohnson814]

He's averaging 29, 8 and 7 on 52% shooting. He had 51 the other night. I'd argue people are actually diminishing his play this season because of what we expect of him.


I don’t have him on my list because I don’t think he’s a top 5 guy so far. How many years he’s played is irrelevant in terms of this years MVP. He still blows me away. I’m definitely impressed with him. But he’s not higher than 7 or 8 so far.

Having said that, we’ve got about 80% of the season to play... and he could still get in the conversation and even win it. But the reason he’s in it now has more to do with who he is than what he’s actually accomplished this season.



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[drobfan8]

Ben Simmons is the exact same player he was last season. Critics have been harsh on him this season because he hasn't expanded his game offensively but lets not frown at 15.3pts 9.2reb 7.7asts 1.3stla .7blks. Let's also not forget how bad this team was before Simmons stepped on the court for the 76ers. They were 28-54 in 16-17 even with Embiid (albeit as a rookie) playing 31 games (13-18 when playing).

Embiids numbers are up across the board partly because he's improved but also because he's playing nearly 5 more minutes per game. I'm not downplaying his numbers because 28pts 13reb 3.6asts is nasty, just trying to shed light why they've spiked so much.

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You can keep going all you want but Embiid has been better than Simmons.

Just today Simmons had a chance to seal the game, got in to the paint and looked to pass and ended up taking a shot he didn't want to. Sorry but he's lacking there and Embiid isn't.

In saying that, I have my top 3 currently the same as yours.

Giannis

Kemba

Steph

[tjforce]

Kevin Durant.......


Hahah. I kid. Funny how this guys rep has been hurt so far this year.

But really, Giannis, LeBron and Embiid are my top 3 right now.

Arguing that Lebron doesn't deserve it because the Lakers are 7th is silly when the wear is clustered, with the lake show being only 2 games out of the first spot.


Curry is great but you don't win MVP by not playing based on what your team would have done had you played. Otherwise MJ would have won the years he sat out.

[theLUCKYshow]

Could be. I don't really take much issue with Lebron not winning more MVP's.


There was a lot more parity in talent back when Jordan was playing. A pretty large gap between him and most of his peers.

These days the lines have really blurred, especially with all these new positionless stretch players.

It means higher utilization and bigger numbers in more categories. Almost all the top guys are a triple double threat any given night.Good points. The last few seasons it's almost as if the media makes up their mind pretty early on (not lebron again) and dont waiver from it. Two seasons ago the talk was "Can Harden steal the MVP from Westbrook" not even halfway through the season when OKC was barely above .500. Last season the media anointed Harden as the favorite following the Rockets hot start. Hey, some years there are definitely clear-cut MVPs like Steph in 2015 but I think most years it really could go to 2-4 guys. Look at the Cavs this year. Hard to say LBJ didnt deserve MVP last year.

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[theLUCKYshow]

You can keep going all you want but Embiid has been better than Simmons.

Just today Simmons had a chance to seal the game, got in to the paint and looked to pass and ended up taking a shot he didn't want to. Sorry but he's lacking there and Embiid isn't.

In saying that, I have my top 3 currently the same as yours.

Giannis

Kemba

StephIm not actually disagreeing with you. Embiid hits big buckets when they need it, and is a closer. Simmons does none of those things, and is far from a complete player. I just personally think Embiid needs Simmons more to win than Simmons needs Embiid to win. That belief makes it impossible for me to put Embiid in the MVP discussion.

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[PKIPP]

1. Giannis
2. AD
3. Embiid
4. Lebron
5. Kawhi- have him lower than Lebron because he's missed some games
6. Kemba
7. Steph- lower than Lebron and Kemba because he's missed a lot of games
8. Gasol
9. Kyle Lowry- numbers maybe not mind blowing but he's the leader of the raptors, has led them to many wins without Leonard on the court
10. Blake Griffin- Putting up big numbers, playing unreal ball. Pistons are only 1 game over .500 but with the way he's playing right now in my opinion that is enough for him to crack the top 10... For now!

Honorable mentions for Kyrie, KD, Harden, Simmons.. I'm probably missing somebody but oh well.

[KhalDrogo]

Lebron Lebron Lebron

But because people have become immune to how valuable he is, I would go with Embiid or Giannis.

[smalltown]

Kyle Lowry- numbers maybe not mind blowing but he's the leader of the raptors, has led them to many wins without Leonard on the court

Dude is absolutely balling. He's the engine of this Raptors team. Leading the league in Assists and Charges drawn. His hustle is incredible.

[rhigh2390]

This, the lakers are in 7th place, that's not MVP worthy. Not only that Giannis and Embid, 2 of the front Runners play defense.

I would also add Kawhi to the MVP conversation over lebum

Very good point. Don't know how anyone could have lebron first right now considering he's literally one of the worst defenders in the league now. Meanwhile Giannis, Kawhi, and other MVP candidates so far this season play top notch on both sides of the ball. I agree with 27guy. If you took the name away from lebron's stats, people wouldn't have him as their MVP right now. I think more people are impressed that lebron is still this good in his 16th year, which is still impressive, but not MVP worthy when he has completely given up on the other end. Doesn't anyone find it strange that any team he has been on the last 5 years are always horrible defensively? I just don't see how you can credit him for how he is playing offensively in his 16th year, and give him a pass for being one of the worst defensive players because he's in his 16th year.

[clipperboy24]

You're not watching the other teams enough.

Giannis for me is the clear no. 1.

Kemba has dragged a team of absolute scrubs to a respectable record. Dude has been crazy.

AD has dominated either side of his injury.

Embiid!!!

I'd actually go Conley over Gasol.

But if Steph didn't go down he would be my favorite.

LeBron is in the mix for sure.

Kemba has to be top 3 right now, he literally is that team, good point.

I have watched some Grizzlies games and Conley I think is just as important as Gasol he looks great.

[rats60]

The top 3 are LeBron, Giannis and Curry with Curry being 3rd because of games missed. So, take your pick of LeBron or Giannis.

[yiguiri2002]

My top 5:

1. LeBron
2. Jokic
3. Lillard
4. Giannis
5. AD

It's amazing Jokic hasn't been mentioned at all so far.

[bdoody42]

1. Giannis
2. Embiid
3. Lebron
4. Davis
5. Gasol

[ljandkg]

Vucevic!

Ok not really but he's playing awesome.
I'd be picking Greek Freak currently but it's very early days.

[pingbling23]

Kawhi is 60th in defensive win shares and Lebron is 98 (ahead of some that people say are great defenders). Could be better but not near as bad as some make it seem. He’s also got the lakers 2 games outside of the top spot in the west averaging 29/8/7 52% shooting with a per just under 29 (second in the league) and leads the nba in impact rating. To say he shouldn’t be considered is comical. Anyway, my vote would go to giannis right now.

[gomiamigo]

Embiid
Giannis
AD

[ballhawkdawk]

Kawhi is 60th in defensive win shares and Lebron is 98 (ahead of some that people say are great defenders). Could be better but not near as bad as some make it seem.

JJ Redick is 5th and Gobert is 34th. I can’t take these made up stats seriously. Redick is a defensive liability.

[rhigh2390]

JJ Redick is 5th and Gobert is 34th. I can’t take these made up stats seriously. Redick is a defensive liability.

Exactly. I'm not just going off of defensive win shares. I'm going off of watching the games. Players like Kawhi and Giannis go against the other teams' best player every night, while lebron now always guards the worst player on the floor for the other team. He was guarding David Nwaba all night last night, which od course means he didn't need to guard him. That is a luxury that only lebron has. He hasn't played defense in 5 years, but he gets a pass since he has played his best offensively the last 2 years. Why are his teams always at the bottom of the league defensively now?

[tjforce]

LeBron does take some plays off, but he is far from one of the worst defenders in the league.

It's a switch league, and there's a reason you don't see teams force the switch off to LeBron.

Plus you have the chase down blocks, steals, etc.

He's not one of the top few players in the league during the regular season at this point, but calling him one of the worst is foolish.

[nfunk]

Looks like everyone has been wrong on the top 3 thus far.

Boban !

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

[rasclat]

Embiid
Giannis
AD

this.

[tjforce]

Looks like everyone has been wrong on the top 3 thus far.

Boban !

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Interesting...

LeBron is 1st in Value Added, 1st in Expected Wins Added, 2nd in PER.


The Boban point proves that any one metric can be misleading, but combined they are great for triangulating.

[Joan p]

Until the day he retires it's LeBron

[daeve]

Lebron has been great but Giannis is #1 in Defensive Rating, DBPM, tied with Gasol and PG in Defensive Win Shares, and 2nd only to Jokic in BPM

[tjforce]

Lebron has been great but Giannis is #1 in Defensive Rating, DBPM, tied with Gasol and PG in Defensive Win Shares, and 2nd only to Jokic in BPM

I thing you could argue Giannis or LeBron at this point.

FWIW, NBA.com came out with it's latest MVP ladder this week.

1. Giannis
2. LeBron
3. Embiid.

Pretty much the same as I have it.

[goldkobe]

#1. Giannis
#2. Stephen
#3. Kawhi

[regularp]

Curry. I know he's not the favorite because of all the missed games, but that team doesn't function without him. If he kills it when he comes back and plays the rest of the season, I really do think he should win it.

[regularp]

My top 5:

1. LeBron
2. Jokic
3. Lillard
4. Giannis
5. AD

It's amazing Jokic hasn't been mentioned at all so far.

Because Jokic is Harden-bad defensively and bigs who can't defend the paint hurt the team more. He also doesn't shoot enough.

[pingbling23]

Curry. I know he's not the favorite because of all the missed games, but that team doesn't function without him. If he kills it when he comes back and plays the rest of the season, I really do think he should win it.

its just hard to vote for him when durant averages 28/8/6 and third option klay averages 22/4/2. you put any star in that situation and good things are going to happen so it doesnt increase curry's value imo.

[daeve]

Because Jokic is Harden-bad defensively and bigs who can't defend the paint hurt the team more. He also doesn't shoot enough.

...you haven't been watching this season then.

Jokic is 9th in Defensive Rating, 6th in Defensive Win Shares, 5th in Defensive BPM, [Harden not listed top 20 in anything].
And he's #1 in VORP and BPM.

Bring some statistics and less bias next time.

Edit- and he doesn't shoot enough because his coach is horrible. He's likely not going to be a Harden-like chucker, he prefers to get his in the flow of the offense, and if the offense isn't working properly, he works to get the best shot, which often means he settles for passing/deferring. A better coach with a better offensive system would do wonders for his PPG

[tjforce]

its just hard to vote for him when durant averages 28/8/6 and third option klay averages 22/4/2. you put any star in that situation and good things are going to happen so it doesnt increase curry's value imo.

I disagree...


He's impossible to vote for because he's missed 40% of his team's games.

Why he is even in the discussion.


Out of 20 games would you rather have:

A. LeBron for 20 games
B. Giannis for 19 games
or.
C. Curry for 12 games.


It's a no brainer.

[cp3fan]

I disagree...


He's impossible to vote for because he's missed 40% of his team's games.

Why he is even in the discussion.


Out of 20 games would you rather have:

A. LeBron for 20 games
B. Giannis for 19 games
or.
C. Curry for 12 games.


It's a no brainer.

I agree with this. It's hard to be the most valauble player when you're on the bench in a suit nearly half the games

[theLUCKYshow]

I agree with this. It's hard to be the most valauble player when you're on the bench in a suit nearly half the gamesYou guys are right and I'll switch out Curry for Lebron at 3.

I will say his absence has made it pretty clear who the MVP of that team is.

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[tjforce]

You guys are right and I'll switch out Curry for Lebron at 3.

I will say his absence has made it pretty clear who the MVP of that team is.

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At this point it's going to be hard for Curry to have a chance for MVP at all this year.

Tonight's game is his 10th missed, with a few more to comes.

With his track record of getting nicked up, and probable maintenance days, it'd likely that he'll sit out at least 15-20 games this year. Unless guys like Giannis and LeBron miss serious time, I can't really see a scenario where he wins MVP while missing a quarter of the season.

[nickha2]

I think its going to come down to Giannis vs Lebron and the team with the better record wins it. Giannis is putting up monster stats and has sat out at least 4 4th quarters that I know of. He sat out the entire 4th vs the blazers and he was 1 assist away from a triple-double.

[RandyC]

LABron

[daeve]

bbref's MVP probability in graph form. It's Giannis head-and-shoulders above the crowd right now

https://i.imgur.com/ULrBAFm.jpg

[NeedChapmans]

NBA values team success so much in the MVP vote ... will be hard for anyone not in the top 4 of each conference to win.

(Westbrook and Harden not even on the chart above / they should be).

I think it's all but guaranteed you'll get one of the following 10 players

Giannis
LeBron
Embiid
Westbrook
Harden
Durant
Kawhi
Irving
Lillard
Jokic

I think as the season progresses, the dust will settle and Giannis or Embiid will win. Going to come from the East this year; we're 25% of the season in and the West has yet to separate itself.

[yiguiri2002]

Giannis has standout from the pack in the last couple of weeks averaging 30 point, over 13 rebound and almost 7 assists while shooting 60% from the field. Unless he cools down, the discussion might end up shifting to who should be number 2.

[daeve]

NBA values team success so much in the MVP vote ... will be hard for anyone not in the top 4 of each conference to win.

(Westbrook and Harden not even on the chart above / they should be).

I think it's all but guaranteed you'll get one of the following 10 players

Giannis
LeBron
Embiid
Westbrook
Harden
Durant
Kawhi
Irving
Lillard
Jokic

I think as the season progresses, the dust will settle and Giannis or Embiid will win. Going to come from the East this year; we're 25% of the season in and the West has yet to separate itself.

Curry and AD were looking good earlier, but Curry's lack of playing time is going to take him out of the race and the Pels probably won't get the Wins/Seeding to get AD a real shot. [Definitely possible though]

[ballhawkdawk]

I think as the season progresses, the dust will settle and Giannis or Embiid will win. Going to come from the East this year; we're 25% of the season in and the West has yet to separate itself.

Giannis and Embiid are definitely out in front, and for good reason. They’re straight dominating games, and not just from a singular standpoint. Redick has a career high PPG going for him so far thanks to the work him and Embiid do as a tandem. They’re brilliant together. Embiid is so crafty and has a seemingly unlimited tool set, and Giannis makes it look like he’s playing against middle schoolers.

[NeedChapmans]

Curry and AD were looking good earlier, but Curry's lack of playing time is going to take him out of the race and the Pels probably won't get the Wins/Seeding to get AD a real shot. [Definitely possible though]

I don't think AD has a shot. He's already got a bad hip and it's going to keep him out of games down the road. Same w/ Curry and his issues (which is why I left him off). I suppose you should never really count out AD; but he's already down 4 games this year and has never played more than 75 in a season.

Almost positive it comes from the list of 10.

[daeve]

Shaq on the Stephen A Show: "The Greek Freak is the MVP and also I never given up my name before but I'm giving it to him. He's the new Superman. You heard it here first"

https://streamable.com/i7rua

[asujbl]

Colin Sexton

[SirVolan]

Why is Leonard getting no love? I'd take him over Embiid all day every day, and his team has the best record in the NBA with a new coach.

[drobfan8]

NBA values team success so much in the MVP vote ... will be hard for anyone not in the top 4 of each conference to win.

(Westbrook and Harden not even on the chart above / they should be).

I think it's all but guaranteed you'll get one of the following 10 players

Giannis
LeBron
Embiid
Westbrook
Harden
Durant
Kawhi
Irving
Lillard
Jokic

I think as the season progresses, the dust will settle and Giannis or Embiid will win. Going to come from the East this year; we're 25% of the season in and the West has yet to separate itself.

Why is Leonard getting no love? I'd take him over Embiid all day every day, and his team has the best record in the NBA with a new coach.

The West is yet to separate itself because the best team started hot and then lost their MVP and the DPOY. Kind of a big deal.

MIL are 7 and 4 vs the West compared to 8 and 2 vs the East. The massive advantage to the East is still clearly there.

For me it's still Giannis 1, Embiid 2 and I probably have to give Kawhi 3. But that's easily debatable.

[Ferg1945]

bbref's MVP probability in graph form. It's Giannis head-and-shoulders above the crowd right now

https://i.imgur.com/ULrBAFm.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/es0frkU.jpg