What should happen to Russell Westbook?

[Boo]

After the verbal altercation last night, what should happen to Russell Westbrook?

[JustinVerlander07]

Definitely something for threatening a female. Regardless what was said, a grown man shouldn't be threatening to fight a woman.

[Boo]

Definitely something for threatening a female. Regardless what was said, a grown man shouldn't be threatening to fight a woman.

That's how I feel, especially in today's environment. I say $50k fine.

[the mesiah]

***NSFW***

https://youtu.be/tsdBp95amow

[theleica]

The whole situation all around is grotesque.

If you believe Westbrook, what instigated it was the fan and his wife repeating “Get down on your knees like you’re used to.”

I'm not defending Westbrook threatening to fight the woman or threatening a female.

[Boo]

The whole situation all around is grotesque.

If you believe Westbrook, what instigated it was the fan and his wife repeating “Get down on your knees like you’re used to.”

I'm not defending Westbrook threatening to fight the woman or threatening a female.

And he should have laughed it off. Things said back in the day to players were much worse...bunch of cupcakes.

[ballhawkdawk]

Don’t go to the zoo and poke the bear. That said, Russ ain’t doing a damn thing to anybody.

[NeedChapmans]

Feels like across basketball and football ... players are responding much more often toward fans who "verbally abuse" them. You can call it heckling or whatever other term you want but we've now crossed into the realm where coaches are even asking fans to stop chants during the game if they're focused on one single player.

"You are Ugly (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/03/04/michigans-ignas-brazdeikis-loved-maryland-fans-you-are-ugly-chants-mark-turgeon-did-not/?utm_term=.d1251cfe65a5)" toward a UM player ...

What's happening here? Any particular reason why you hear stories about NBA and NFL players getting into it with the fans, while in the NHL, a player is meeting his heckler to give him signed merchandise because he was impressed with all the things he came up with? Feels to me like more than ever, NBA and NFL players have more control about where they play, whom they play with, whom they play for ... and the power is bleeding into the "not gonna take crap from anyone" arena.

[spurs50fan]

He deserves a fine and nothing else. Shame is that what was reported isn’t new coming from Jazz fans in Utah but the league needs to step in because this has the potential to turn ugly quick considering what they’ve discovered about the fans

https://twitter.com/_Ericbritt/status/1105337157152067584?s=20

[TheRoundMound]

Somebody get him that shirt and he should wear in the next game :D

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/w1600/pict/382826969855_/Not-a-Role-Model-Nike-T-Shirt-Size.jpg

Joke aside ...normally a fine or game suspending is regular for this kind of behaviour but imo would be better if sby teach him how to be above it all for such stupid fans

[Chris P]

He deserves a fine and nothing else. Shame is that what was reported isn’t new coming from Jazz fans in Utah but the league needs to step in because this has the potential to turn ugly quick considering what they’ve discovered about the fans

https://twitter.com/_Ericbritt/status/1105337157152067584?s=20

The guy is predictably deleting all of his tweets.

[JustinVerlander07]

Yea, the guy is racist, clearly. However, a professional athlete threatening to 'f up' a woman is grounds for suspension.

[KhalDrogo]

The whole situation all around is grotesque.

If you believe Westbrook, what instigated it was the fan and his wife repeating “Get down on your knees like you’re used to.”

I'm not defending Westbrook threatening to fight the woman or threatening a female.
What part of the game is that for the fans? Seriously. These are two grown adults saying this to him.

I support Russ. Fans want to say something like that, he gets to dish it right back.

[theleica]

And he should have laughed it off. Things said back in the day to players were much worse...bunch of cupcakes.

Based on the guy's Twitter account and his apparent comment to Westbrook, the 'fan(s)' shouldn't be allowed back in the arena. To me, this isn't one of the 'cupcake' situations.

[Boo]

Based on the guys twitter and his apparent comment to Westbrook, the 'fan' shouldn't be allowed back in the arena. To me, this isn't one of the 'cupcake' situations.

It actually is, I'm fine with banning the fan as well. Just because someone says something to you doesn't make it right to threaten them but more importantly a woman. Grow up and learn to control yourself.

[theleica]

It actually is, I'm fine with banning the fan as well. Just because someone says something to you doesn't make it right to threaten them but more importantly a woman. Grow up and learn to control yourself.

Everyone's line in the sand is different. Russ took the comments as racial and I agree with his assessment. It is confirmed by the guy's senseless comments on Twitter. At the end of the day it never gives Russ the right to threaten the woman but the fans do deserve to be confronted.

[rats60]

Racist fans should be confronted. In the end, it is only talk. Some fans go to games to taunt the opponents. If you are going to give it, you should expect it to come back. Don't go crying to social media like a child. In the end he just publicly exposed himself as a racist.

[jlzinck]

The whole situation all around is grotesque.

If you believe Westbrook, what instigated it was the fan and his wife repeating “Get down on your knees like you’re used to.”

I'm not defending Westbrook threatening to fight the woman or threatening a female.

In the story I saw he claimed that phrase was "racial"

Good God:doh:

[ballhawkdawk]

If the woman wants to pipe up and talk sh** she can get it too. I don’t give a free pass to anybody if they’re saying abhorrent things to another person.

Tasteful heckling is fine. If you want to talk about Russ getting sent home in the playoffs or his rough shooting or his clothes, cool, but don’t be racist.

[Lklk52]

This has been on ongoing issue in Utah, easy to say “take the high road” but there is no place for fans to be allowed to say racist things to a player!! Patrick Patterson And Ray Felton backed up what Russ was saying the fan said! NBA should do nothing to Russ and say this kind of behavior from fans is NOT gonna be tolerated!!! If we are gonna make true social change in USA things like this Must be stopped! And I am not a person of color just a 40 year old white dude who goes to many NBA games

[Chris P]

Everyone's line in the sand is different. Russ took the comments as racial and I agree with his assessment. It is confirmed by the guy's senseless comments on Twitter. At the end of the day it never gives Russ the right to threaten the woman but the fans do deserve to be confronted.

I agree with this..he really shouldn't have threatened his wife ,defenitely crossed the line..just a poor look for him and more fuel for those who can't stand him

[Boo]

Everyone's line in the sand is different. Russ took the comments as racial and I agree with his assessment. It is confirmed by the guy's senseless comments on Twitter. At the end of the day it never gives Russ the right to threaten the woman but the fans do deserve to be confronted.

Get down on your knees is no where near racial. Maybe he said something else that was racial but that is sexual. His Twitter on the other hand is racial but that had nothing to do the confrontation.

[KhalDrogo]

The guy deleted his Twitter already.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/872289541541044225/X6vI_-xq_400x400.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1byKXDWoAUhgGO.jpg

[spurs50fan]

Let Stephen Jackson speak to it to hear from someone who has gone through it. Patrick Patterson said the fan said something worse

I don’t follow RW but he said in 11 years of similar verbal abuse he has handled it with no problems. And you know out of all the players he probably gets it the most. So what was different this one time? and now that I have some history on both....guess who’s story I’m going to believe?

[Kingofkings1281]

He may be an angry dude, but what the fan said to him isn’t acceptable. He saw red for a second and I don’t blame him. Give him a “red card” like the fan and move on.

[cnewby]

lol @ making it about maga.

[spurs50fan]

they are saying five fans got warnings for violating the NBA’s fan code of conduct? Is that correct? This is why the league is in a tough position because they are to protect both the players and the fans

Or maybe he can use that “only human” line the league likes to reserve for its refs lol

[bradical]

Looking forward to that fan's invitation to the White House later this week.

[bradical]

I agree with this..he really shouldn't have threatened his wife ,defenitely crossed the line..just a poor look for him and more fuel for those who can't stand him

**Wives**

[mrchipz]

Nothing should happen to him and the fan should be banned from any nba arena for life.

[LeonfromNC]

If fans have the free right to speak to players anyway they want them players should have the same right.

Don’t play with fire if you can’t take the heat.

[LeonfromNC]

Also the guy deleting his twitter account already shows he is covering up his tracks...

[Orangejello727]

I think Russ should get fined. I think the fan should be fined just as much as Russ is. If he cant pay, he goes to jail. You slap people with financial penalties and this garbage stops right away!!

[Siberian13]

Make the fan and Westbrook have a 3 point competition. 20 shots each. Whoever makes the most can continue to go to games. The other is banned for life.

[Boo]

Make the fan and Westbrook have a 3 point competition. 20 shots each. Whoever makes the most can continue to go to games. The other is banned for life.

Westbrook would be in trouble...:eek::eek::eek:

[cnewby]

Thread fail with OP trying to make every option negative. OP should be banned for such dumb choices.

[GeechQuest]

Slap Russ with a fine, the fan(s) are banned from NBA arenas.

Simple and easy.

[the27guy]

There’s so much to unwrap here.

Things that I’m pretty sure about -

1. The fan said something extremely reprehensible and inappropriate.
2. Fans say things during most games that are not appropriate but we don’t typically hear about it because what makes this situation different is that Russ said what he said.

Things that I’m 100% certain about.
3. Number 2 does not make number 1 acceptable.
4. What the fan said does not make what Russ said okay in any way.

In short, both guys acted inappropriately and both need to be corrected.

[codered]

In light of what happened to the Aston villa player and reading about the “fan” in Utah I’m on Westbrooks side. Buying a ticket doesn’t give you the right to act like a moron and not treat people with respect. The wife doesn’t automatically get a pass cause she’s a woman either.

[GeechQuest]

There’s so much to unwrap here.

Things that I’m pretty sure about -

1. The fan said something extremely reprehensible and inappropriate.
2. Fans say things during most games that are not appropriate but we don’t typically hear about it because what makes this situation different is that Russ said what he said.

Things that I’m 100% certain about.
3. Number 2 does not make number 1 acceptable.
4. What the fan said does not make what Russ said okay in any way.

In short, both guys acted inappropriately and both need to be corrected.


Ding Ding Ding.

I'm sure this particular fan said something to Russ that set him off, at least that's what is being reported. Doesn't excuse Russ, but this isn't indicative of a systemic problem between fan and player interactions. The truth is some fans should be banned from attending these sporting events and that when the players snap back the players should be fined.

[Rareairx23]

In light of what happened to the Aston villa player and reading about the “fan” in Utah I’m on Westbrooks side. Buying a ticket doesn’t give you the right to act like a moron and not treat people with respect. The wife doesn’t automatically get a pass cause she’s a woman either.

bingo

[Rareairx23]

every action should expect a reaction, dude is not above the law because he is in the stands. reminds me of the marcus peters situation

[Siberian13]

Thread fail with OP trying to make every option negative. OP should be banned for such dumb choices.

The romance between you and Boo continues :) Don't you tease us about Boo being banned though. Bnut would be sad and have no one to comfort him :)!

[Cervantes]

Not a damn thing.

Russ should ignore it and brush it off, why? Because he's rich?

lol if someone came into an office and started berating an employee with the same words that idiot did last night, he'd be arrested. But because he paid for tickets, he can verbally abuse a player, and Russ should just ignore it?

In most cases, sure...''Russ, you suck! You'll never win without KD! You can't shoot! You're soft!'' - ok, fine. The things some of these idiots say should warrant some kind of punishment, if we want to punish the player.

And seriously, guys...a fine? A fine. $50k for Russell Westbrook. That's laughably stupid.

That's like sentencing the convicted armed robber to 1 hour of sitting in the corner before you release him.

The fan's an a-hole and a racist dirtbag. His social media showed his true colors, and he'll have a hard time for a while. Then we'll forget about him, and he'll go back to guzzling Natty Light while eating cheetos puffs and scratching his butt while he screams at the 65" TV he bought at Walmart with his income tax return.

God Bless.

[tier1dc]

this thread by op is tainted hater trash.

racist heckler deletes twitter account.

all you need to know.

[pejc300]

I am so confused about the world today. Society keeps telling me that gender is fluid or that there is actually no such thing as gender and that everyone should be treated the same but everyone is making this about a "woman." Is there even such thing as a "woman?" I don't know what to believe anymore.

[Luni]

All of this aside I voted for the $25 dollar option because I'm sure you meant 25k but it made me chuckle thinking of it as an official 25 dollar fine.

[ensbergcollecto]

guy should be banned...actions have consequences

russ should be fined...anothers mans comments don't excuse yours.

[AnthonyCorona]

There was a customer who asked me to look at a remodel and give him a price. I gave him the price on site and he said wow, that’s more than you make in the fields right? My dad is Mexican and worked in the fields when he first came to the US. It looks every fiber of my being to not punch the POS in the mouth. People cannot tell other people how to react in any situation, especially one as emotional as race can be. If that fan said something racist to Russ, then I say Russ should have gotten right in his face and started a go fund me for the fine

[jstephens24]

Get down on your knees is no where near racial. Maybe he said something else that was racial but that is sexual. His Twitter on the other hand is racial but that had nothing to do the confrontation.



that's how I saw it too

[Boo]

guy should be banned...actions have consequences

russ should be fined...anothers mans comments don't excuse yours.

And that is what will happen. Good thing the NBA has a good commissioner and not some from BO.

[pejc300]

I love these threads because we get to see who all the racists on the board are.

[hofcollector2]

What did the fan say at the game? Not his twitter account.

[NoleinJax]

I lost whatever respect I had for Westbrook after watching his tirade. Is he a Professional basketball player or a gangster because it seems like he confused the 2 last night. I knew he was always a little off, but he's very thin-skinned and I wouldn't doubt if there is some mental illness there.

[NoleinJax]

He deserves a fine and nothing else. Shame is that what was reported isn’t new coming from Jazz fans in Utah but the league needs to step in because this has the potential to turn ugly quick considering what they’ve discovered about the fans

https://twitter.com/_Ericbritt/status/1105337157152067584?s=20

Well isn't that guy cool doxxing the man.

Edit: It was someone who replied to that tweet who doxxed the fan.

[imbluestreak23]

Can’t take the hood out of ya soul

He talk to me and my wife like that he’s saying hello to a lead pipe in his head

[SHowley2003]

The fan needs to be banned from all NBA events and if he said anything racist then a civil rights complaint should be filed. Westbrook still deserves a hefty punishment. He threatened to assault a female and he was the professional at work. What would happen to any of us if we were at work and threatened a client, customer, patient, etc.? There are different standards & expectations for the person who is in their professional role versus the person who is just being an individual at any given moment. I want to say the behavior in isolation warrants a suspension, but in this instance I think a fine is most appropriate. It is the warning to a player and I would be hesitant to reinforce the ignorant behavior of fans. If these clowns knew they could get a player suspended for a verbal altercation it may reinforce their behavior.

[DajuanWagner]

guy should be banned...actions have consequences

russ should be fined...anothers mans comments don't excuse yours.




^^^^^^this...……..

[burke23]

I lost whatever respect I had for Westbrook after watching his tirade. Is he a Professional basketball player or a gangster because it seems like he confused the 2 last night. I knew he was always a little off, but he's very thin-skinned and I wouldn't doubt if there is some mental illness there.

So berate a person, and they respond in kind and they are at fault? His job has nothing to do with this if the attacks were that personal and (potentially) racially biased. Fan seems like an uber-douche - twitter posts back that up, and highlight his personal issues with Russ.

All professional leagues need to do more to monitor fan behavior....this is far beyond good-natured heckling.

[RogerGodahell]

He should have pointed out the fan to someone and they would of had them the removed after the next incident.

[NoleinJax]

Based on the guy's Twitter account and his apparent comment to Westbrook, the 'fan(s)' shouldn't be allowed back in the arena. To me, this isn't one of the 'cupcake' situations.

Ahh so now we're going to go down the Chinese path of social credit. Oooh, you said something naughty on Twitter... no basketball games for you. That's ridiculous. Unless there is evidence of the guy cursing or saying something racist/bigoted to Russell last night, why should he be barred from the arena for saying something on Twitter last year? There may be more to come out, but the guy said he didn't cuss at Russ and his wife did nothing and Russ goes on some wannabe gangster rant threatening to harm them.

[Siberian13]

Keepin' it real almost went wrong. At least Westbrook didn't slap a phone out of anyone's hands or anything. Hope he doesn't go too far one day like we saw in Indiana.

I still think the fans shouldn't be allowed that close to the players/coaches/etc.

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[Arianny_Fan]

If Panini could get him to sign again with the inscription " I'll "F" you up" that would be great.

[NoleinJax]

So berate a person, and they respond in kind and they are at fault? His job has nothing to do with this if the attacks were that personal and (potentially) racially biased. Fan seems like an uber-douche - twitter posts back that up, and highlight his personal issues with Russ.

All professional leagues need to do more to monitor fan behavior....this is far beyond good-natured heckling.

The only one I saw berating anyone was Russell. Heckling a player is not berating. Just because Russ is an oversensitive diva doesn't make a "get on your knees" comment racist. Also I was led to believe that in order to be racist, one has to have some power over individuals. Russell has all the power here and can likely have said fan banned. Just because someone heckles you at a sporting event (something that's been done since the advent of sport) doesn't mean you can threaten them with harm.

[KhalDrogo]

Well isn't that guy cool doxxing the man.

Edit: It was someone who replied to that tweet who doxxed the fan.
The guy doxxed himself. He gave an interview after the game with his name!

[KhalDrogo]

The only one I saw berating anyone was Russell. Heckling a player is not berating. Just because Russ is an oversensitive diva doesn't make a "get on your knees" comment racist. Also I was led to believe that in order to be racist, one has to have some power over individuals.
You didn't see what the fan berating Russ because it wasn't caught on tape. Worthless argument.

Your last sentence? Wow. Just wow.

[Bowman23]

Nothing if what the guy and his wife said is true. You can’t say stuff like that just cause you bought a ticket to the game I would of done the same thing as Russ. Some of these fans real clowns, they buy a ticket and think they could say what they want.

[burke23]

The only one I saw berating anyone was Russell. Heckling a player is not berating. Just because Russ is an oversensitive diva doesn't make a "get on your knees" comment racist. Also I was led to believe that in order to be racist, one has to have some power over individuals. Russell has all the power here and can likely have said fan banned. Just because someone heckles you at a sporting event (something that's been done since the advent of sport) doesn't mean you can threaten them with harm.

And you have no idea what the guy said. Of course no one has a video of him, but you seem to take the guys statement at face value that he was on the up and up with his heckling. "Get on your knees" is just one thing that was brought up. Agreed not racist...but if you can't look at the twitter posts of the guy (he is/has deleted) and make a safe assumption he didn't go there as well, not sure what to tell you.

I don't care if players get heckled but there has to be a line. Glad you have thick enough skin that people you don't know can say whatever they want to you without it getting to you.

[ballhawkdawk]

Also I was led to believe that in order to be racist, one has to have some power over individuals.

I think you’ve been misled.

[Bowman23]

Also it fine to talk junk and stuff that all part of the game. But once it starts getting disrespectful and personal if I was a player I would not stand for that either.

[Chris P]

When a guy tweets that russell westbrook is a piece of s*** and "should go back to where he came from" i seriously doubt his heckling was innocent and in good fun

[KhalDrogo]

When a guy tweets that russell westbrook is a piece of s*** and "should go back to where he came from" i seriously doubt his heckling was innocent and in good fun
All reasonable people agree with you.

Best of luck in life to this loser fan.

[NinjaJohnny]

I'm surprised the video of the fan talking smack hasn't been released yet. Maybe they are negotiating with TMZ, haha.

Some people just don't "get it" when it comes to talking trash to celebrities and players, it's like they don't think it's real life. There's a video somewhere of a guy grabbing Kevin Durant's hat off his head as he walks by, KD turns on him quickly, and the fan backtracks like "OMG I'm so sorry, I am a big fan!" Like what is the guy expecting KD to do? Not care? It's just bizarre.

Harmless trash talk like isn't a big deal I guess but if you start getting personal or vulgar that's a problem. I wouldn't want to hear some yahoo yelling that crap in front of kids and stuff, heck I don't really want to hear that crap if I am watching a game myself.

[smalltown]

Fan was wrong. Russ was wrong. Russ needs to go to the ref and security in this situation and have the fan dealt with. Clapping back and making threats doesn’t do anything to improve the situation.

[Rareairx23]

I lost whatever respect I had for Westbrook after watching his tirade. Is he a Professional basketball player or a gangster because it seems like he confused the 2 last night. I knew he was always a little off, but he's very thin-skinned and I wouldn't doubt if there is some mental illness there.

so because he didn't take somebody's crap last night that makes him thin skinned and makes you assume he has a mental illness? got it

[tier1dc]

The only one I saw berating anyone was Russell. Heckling a player is not berating. Just because Russ is an oversensitive diva doesn't make a "get on your knees" comment racist. Also I was led to believe that in order to be racist, one has to have some power over individuals. Russell has all the power here and can likely have said fan banned. Just because someone heckles you at a sporting event (something that's been done since the advent of sport) doesn't mean you can threaten them with harm.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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[NoleinJax]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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https://i.imgur.com/Cb0kbkkl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/g5DmEOkl.jpg

What's your point?

[SacGWYNN19]

Fan is an idiot. Hopefully he is never allowed to attend another Jazz game.

[NoleinJax]

I think you’ve been misled.

lol no kidding. I was being facetious. I know what racist means and I also know 95% of people use it incorrectly when the proper term should be bigoted.

[NoleinJax]

so because he didn't take somebody's crap last night that makes him thin skinned and makes you assume he has a mental illness? got it

Being worth over $100M and thinking he's a gangbanger threatening "on everything I love" that he'll mess someone up. That's why I assume he has a mental condition. That and his fashion sense. :cry::cry::cry:

[PKIPP]

Throw him in against Brock Lesnar or some other psycho UFC cat and see how tough he feels then. Best solution I can think of.

Like come on dude.. This is what, the 5th or 6th time in a couple years this guy has issues with a fan? Why don't we hear this kinda stuff coming from anyone else? Every player gets trash talked.. No need to even respond.. He is above that. It's almost like he's looking to start malice in the palace part two.. Settle down tough guy!

[IronMonkey415]

Reminds me of the time my friend said the same thing to this guy and his wife.
That guy wife turns out to be a 300 plus pound female wrestler.

My friend was being handled like a ragdoll that day.

[Siberian13]

Reminds me of the time my friend said the same thing to this guy and his wife.
That guy wife turns out to be a 300 plus pound female wrestler.

My friend was being handled like a ragdoll that day.

Pretty sure this made Boo, Hairy and Hallco get excited :)!

[AnthonyCorona]

What's your point?



Is that a serious question?


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[pejc300]

Mr. Keisel is about to lose his job. I'm sure his good 'ole boys will take care of him though and give him another police job in Utah. SMH.

[pejc300]

Is that a serious question?


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Don't feed the (racist) troll.

[pejc300]

Not sure how to embed videos, but here's the 'interview' Mr. Keisel gave in the aftermath. Just scroll down a little bit. Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly how it went down...

https://twitter.com/JJSportsBeat?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[NoleinJax]

Is that a serious question?


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Yes. What does him saying stupid things on Twitter, where nearly everyone says stupid things, have to do with what transpired last night. If the fan did something that violated the rules of the Jazz, then they should handle it, but if all he did was hurt Russell's feelings with a little heckling, some tweets from last year should not matter. I guess you're the type of person who is cool with doxxing people and would love to institute a Chinese style social credit score.

[NoleinJax]

Don't feed the (racist) troll.

Yes, everyone who doesn't share my point of view is a racist.

[hofcollector2]

10 game suspension for Russ plus fine and Ban the fan for the rest of the year.

[Boo]

10 game suspension for Russ plus fine and Ban the fan for the rest of the year.

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[bdrr]

I’m going to go with nothing. Westbrook wasn’t in the right, but these two bums were intentionally trying to inflame him and went way too far. That counts for something.

[Braswell10]

Honestly don’t see anything wrong with what Russ did. If the fan is gonna say stuff like that, he should expect a response. Simple as that. Russ shouldn’t get a fine, but people are so soft now a days that he will probably get suspended a few games.

[rustywest]

Looks like the perfect opportunity for Westbrook haters to pile it on. They crawling out of the woodwork :cry: Nothing much to see here... except for - a disrespectful couple (Utah, shock horror) feeling bulletproof in the stands. You don't get a pass to be abusive to the players regardless of whether you man or woman (please refer to Bill Burr standup), so lets not hit fake outrage that you can't SAY this or that to a woman. I'm not surprised how Russ reacted. Hot-headed, super-reactionary but that's his on court persona. He might get a small fine, but probably not. The way America pounces on even the slightest whiff of racism these days I would say its much more probable the fan gets banned. Never Change Russ. Great win for the Thunder!

[pingbling23]

Mr. Keisel is about to lose his job. I'm sure his good 'ole boys will take care of him though and give him another police job in Utah. SMH.

You making generalizations about a specific group. Isn’t that what racism is all about?

[PKIPP]

Fan is an idiot. Idk what was said at the game, but his exposed tweets should be grounds for similar punishment to the one I came up with for Russ. Instead of putting him in with some UFC guy though, take this fatty outta his safe space and make him go spend a day in some underprivileged neighborhood and see how people react when he heckles them with racial undertones from the sidewalk.

[SethMurphy]

geez........ where's James Dolan when you need him????? He would have had that fan arrested and deported for saying unkind things..................

[PKIPP]

You making generalizations about a specific group. Isn’t that what racism is all about?

Yup. He's tried to come in here making racial accusations towards board members who didn't agree with his take, yet posts nonsense like that. :doh:

[MFaulkCollector]

I am so confused about the world today. Society keeps telling me that gender is fluid or that there is actually no such thing as gender and that everyone should be treated the same but everyone is making this about a "woman." Is there even such thing as a "woman?" I don't know what to believe anymore.

everyone wants the benefit they "deserve" without any of the negative

it's a society of entitlement...... pure and simple..... if everyone was treated the same and expected equality; none of these issues would arise

it's always.... "you" ow me something, this person shouldn't be acting the way they are to "that" person, "we" should be getting this benefit

people want "equality"... yet nearly every single one of them willingly gets into a chosen cohort............ logical incompetence is why true equality will never exist in this country

[codered]

Yes. What does him saying stupid things on Twitter, where nearly everyone says stupid things, have to do with what transpired last night. If the fan did something that violated the rules of the Jazz, then they should handle it, but if all he did was hurt Russell's feelings with a little heckling, some tweets from last year should not matter. I guess you're the type of person who is cool with doxxing people and would love to institute a Chinese style social credit score.

Russ reacts to what he claims were racist and offensive insults but no video proof

Moron in the stands claims innocence and plays dumb in interviews and says something along the lines of “I was just having an innocent, non offensive and family friendly exchange with Russ”

Moron “fan” is revealed to be a loud and proud racist from his past history on Twitter with a long standing one side hatred towards Westbrook

Moron fan deletes Twitter

Hard to believe the morons story. The writing on the wall that the fan is lying is right in front of your face. If you don’t see how his Twitter is relevant I guess you just choose to ignore common sense

[KhalDrogo]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/4hqJ4BJl.png
https://i.imgur.com/ngQ3I4Wh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Cb0kbkkl.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/g5DmEOkl.jpg
I think this is a fake account.

[NoleinJax]

Yup. He's tried to come in here making racial accusations towards board members who didn't agree with his take, yet posts nonsense like that. :doh:

I wasn't even trying to defend the heckler. My whole issue is a professional athlete threatening harm to a customer, whether that customer was being a jerk or not. I'd bet if that guy was on camera threatening to harm Russell Westbrook in the same manner, he would have been arrested, and rightfully so.

Quotes attributed to Russell from ESPN article at http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26234619/westbrook-threatens-courtside-fan-fan-wife

"I promise you. You think I'm playing. I swear to God, I swear to God, I'll *bleep* you up. You and your wife, I'll *bleep* you up."

"I promise you, on everything I love. On everything I love, *racial slur*, I promise you."

Now you have people doxxing the guy and Russell has the means to do exactly what he said while having a rock solid alibi as he can easily pay people to harm this guy when he's 2000 miles away.

[NoleinJax]

I think this is a fake account.

Yeah but he has a shaved head and he lives in Utah so we know he's a neo-nazi:doh:

[NoleinJax]

everyone wants the benefit they "deserve" without any of the negative

it's a society of entitlement...... pure and simple..... if everyone was treated the same and expected equality; none of these issues would arise

it's always.... "you" ow me something, this person shouldn't be acting the way they are to "that" person, "we" should be getting this benefit

people want "equality"... yet nearly every single one of them willingly gets into a chosen cohort............ logical incompetence is why true equality will never exist in this country

Please define "true equality". Is it equal opportunity? Equal outcome? Everyone has the same things?

[Zacy87]

Don't cross the line as a fan. Plain and simple.

I love to heckle and boo at games but I'm not attacking someone personally, their family, race or religion.

If you cross that line, that's on you. Some fans feel too protected and wouldn't say these things in person to someone's face.

[pejc300]

You making generalizations about a specific group. Isn’t that what racism is all about?

Condemned by my own words. You are right, I apologize.

[hairyangryfella]

Pretty sure this made Boo, Hairy and Hallco get excited :)!
Um... You need to be a bit more specific about who you talk about. I assume you mean Sasquatch...


Anyways, where exactly does Russ 'come from'..? And why should he go back? Fan seems like a racist piece of trash.

[jlzinck]

So between and the hero worship and fan hate can someone point me to reports of what was racist in the conversation between the 2?

Fan is obviously a bloviating tool and Westbrook thin skinned FROM REPORTS I HAVE READ.

[jlzinck]

Anyways, where exactly does Russ 'come from'..? And why should he go back? Fan seems like a racist piece of trash.

Long Beach, CA. Maybe he just wanted him to go home:doh::rolleyes::doh:

[ballhawkdawk]

Condemned by my own words. You are right, I apologize.

This is pretty cool to see. Most of us get caught up in trying to “win” on the internet. I have a lot of respect for anyone who can reflect on his/her words and admit that he/she could’ve done better.

[Chris P]

Long Beach, CA. Maybe he just wanted him to go home:doh::rolleyes::doh:

You don't seriously believe that do you? Why #MAGA then

[jlzinck]

You don't seriously believe that do you? Why #MAGA then

You DO know what these mean right???:doh::rolleyes::doh:

[Chris P]

You DO know what these mean right???:doh::rolleyes::doh:

Lol..it gets confusing sometimes in here..thought the enojis were in response to hairys comment

[lisu]

Slap Russ with a fine, the fan(s) are banned from NBA arenas.

Simple and easy.

totally agree here!

[MFaulkCollector]

Please define "true equality". Is it equal opportunity? Equal outcome? Everyone has the same things?

Being treated equally with no bias is what I would define as true equality for people

What opportunities someone could create would be based on their own merit; not what someone had to or felt necessary to “give” them

Outcomes would be based on what people did with their opportunities

And what you like and what you have is your own; it’s what you bought or do with your money and time

All the special rules for different people is why we will never see people treated equally. Certain groups demand to be treated certain ways; whether it be race, gender, financial, etc.

It’s just the way the country wants to be; and it causes huge levels of resentment. That will never go away

[Wade Mulroy]

I'm always amazed at how much people let their "fan-hood" and subsequent disdain for other teams and players affect their lives.

I'm not even necessarily speaking about this case, but we hear regularly about certain athletes that miss a field goal, miss a free-throw, make an error, etc. in a clutch situation and are then sent threats of physical harm or death not only to themselves but also their family.

I know this isn't necessarily a "new" phenomenon, but it's just crazy there are mass amounts of people that feel it's reasonable to verbally berate athletes and expect no consequences. I realize athletes get paid millions of dollars and many make the argument that harassment from fans is just "part of the job;" but getting my jolly's from trying to provoke athletes just seems like it would lead to a pretty shallow way of life.

I'm certainly not excusing Westbrook, because there are certainly far better ways of handling the situation without putting himself on their level. Unfortunately, this story will probably just embolden the next knucklehead to do something worse, because they know they can get a reaction. But stories like this are always just disheartening all around.

[ballhawkdawk]

Being treated equally with no bias is what I would define as true equality for people

What opportunities someone could create would be based on their own merit; not what someone had to or felt necessary to “give” them

Outcomes would be based on what people did with their opportunities

And what you like and what you have is your own; it’s what you bought or do with your money and time

All the special rules for different people is why we will never see people treated equally. Certain groups demand to be treated certain ways; whether it be race, gender, financial, etc.

It’s just the way the country wants to be; and it causes huge levels of resentment. That will never go away

Wanna be friends?

[Zacy87]

I'm always amazed at how much people let their "fan-hood" and subsequent disdain for other teams and players affect their lives.

I'm not even necessarily speaking about this case, but we hear regularly about certain athletes that miss a field goal, miss a free-throw, make an error, etc. in a clutch situation and are then sent threats of physical harm or death not only to themselves but also their family.

I know this isn't necessarily a "new" phenomenon, but it's just crazy there are mass amounts of people that feel it's reasonable to verbally berate athletes and expect no consequences. I realize athletes get paid millions of dollars and many make the argument that harassment from fans is just "part of the job;" but getting my jolly's from trying to provoke athletes just seems like it would lead to a pretty shallow way of life.

I'm certainly not excusing Westbrook, because there are certainly far better ways of handling the situation without putting himself on their level. Unfortunately, this story will probably just embolden the next knucklehead to do something worse, because they know they can get a reaction. But stories like this are always just disheartening all around.

The fact they interviewed the fan after is one of the reasons there will always be another person to do this but take it further.

Russ shouldn't be fined. I'm not a Westbrook fan at all, I actually dislike him but him being fined/suspended would be absolute garbage in my opinion.

Ban the fan, try to implement some rules regarding racism/threats from fans to plays and vice versa.

[3AND4]

I picked Suspended one game based ONLY on threatening a woman.

Otherwise I would have picked Nothing.

I will say players & owners better get a thicker skin ( Talking to you JIM DOLAN!).

Seems like some players & 1 Lame Owner need safe spaces lately.

Heckling is 100% ok. If a player cant handle it BOO HOO!

Cursing at a player ( Excluding You Suck )/ Racial taunts / Family Taunts is NEVER ok. If a fan needs to do it security should throw the fan out!

I exclude You Suck as a curse as you are telling a player their play stinks. Maybe a bit hypocritical but that just my view.

[jazz1232dc]

The fact they interviewed the fan after is one of the reasons there will always be another person to do this but take it further.



They interviewed the fan to get his side of the story because Russ has the history of exaggerating what took place, like last year in the playoffs.

[the27guy]

They interviewed the fan to get his side of the story because Russ has the history of exaggerating what took place, like last year in the playoffs.

can you remind all of us what happened last year? I remember there was some interaction that happened with a fan but I don’t remember what exactly.

[mfw13]

The bigger issue is the one of fans sitting court-side in general.

If I was the NBA, I'd mandate some sort of barrier between the court and the first row of fans.

[PKIPP]

can you remind all of us what happened last year? I remember there was some interaction that happened with a fan but I don’t remember what exactly.

I think it was after they lost the series and when Russ was heading towards the tunnel, a teenage Utah fan was holding his phone out towards Russ recording him. Russ slapped the phone down and started yelling at the fan. I thought that it would've been warranted if it was an adult fan, but from what I remember it looked like a teenage kid.. I thought Russ was overreacting. I'm sure others will disagree, though.

[DajuanWagner]

can you remind all of us what happened last year? I remember there was some interaction that happened with a fan but I don’t remember what exactly.



Not sure if this has been mentioned, or not, but doesn't Utah have a history of this kind of behavior towards NBA players? Didn't J. R. Smith mention this a while back? Probably others, too. Just wondering...….

[PKIPP]

The bigger issue is the one of fans sitting court-side in general.

If I was the NBA, I'd mandate some sort of barrier between the court and the first row of fans.

I'd hate for a few idiots to completely ruin the courtside experience for all fans of the NBA, but unfortunately it may eventually come to this. ive sat courtside at a few Pistons games over the years, there's nothing like it in any seat in all of sports.

[SDcardguy24]

You don't seriously believe that do you? Why #MAGA then

Wasn't the maga tweet found to be fake? I think the only confirmed tweet was the one calling him classless

That said I think you fine Westbrook and ban the fan. I feel that some fans are getting more bold these days too.

[DajuanWagner]

I like how well the $25 fine is doing...……..#rootingfor25

[AnthonyCorona]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, or not, but doesn't Utah have a history of this kind of behavior towards NBA players? Didn't J. R. Smith mention this a while back? Probably others, too. Just wondering...….



Yeah, a warriors writer was on the radio today and said players had heard the N word there on multiple occasions


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[DajuanWagner]

can you remind all of us what happened last year? I remember there was some interaction that happened with a fan but I don’t remember what exactly.



Adam, you ever been to many Utah games and seen this type of behavior???

[picojim]

I think it was after they lost the series and when Russ was heading towards the tunnel, a teenage Utah fan was holding his phone out towards Russ recording him. Russ slapped the phone down and started yelling at the fan. I thought that it would've been warranted if it was an adult fan, but from what I remember it looked like a teenage kid.. I thought Russ was overreacting. I'm sure others will disagree, though.

was not a teenage kid, go to 29 second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oozrGt9BmVg

[PKIPP]

was not a teenage kid, go to 29 second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oozrGt9BmVg

Thanks, not sure why I thought it was a teenager.. Maybe a different incident I'm thinking of? But yeah, still seems like he could've walked right past the man without having to slap the phone down. Of course, we don't know what might've been said by the fan (if anything) to maybe solicit that kind of reaction from Russ.

[Zacy87]

They interviewed the fan to get his side of the story because Russ has the history of exaggerating what took place, like last year in the playoffs.

I understand that but everytime this happens, the fan who makes a racist/derogatory remark gets TV time, ends up on social media and highlight shows usually without any repercussions.

If multiple people said they heard racist remarks, odds are the fan is a clown. Don't give him his 20 seconds of fame. Ban him and move on.

[NoleinJax]

can you remind all of us what happened last year? I remember there was some interaction that happened with a fan but I don’t remember what exactly.

https://newsok.com/article/5592814/russell-westbrook-on-altercations-with-fans-at-thunder-jazz-game-6-its-truly-disrespectful

[ballhawkdawk]

was not a teenage kid, go to 29 second mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oozrGt9BmVg

I see nothing wrong with Westbrook’s reaction here. Dude is leaning in and reaching to get as close as possible to get a reaction after a season ending loss. He got exactly what he was hoping for. Then he goes all, “what did I do?!?”

[Luni]

I like how well the $25 fine is doing...……..#rootingfor25

It got my vote!

#rootingfor25

[rman112]

Wasn't the maga tweet found to be fake? I think the only confirmed tweet was the one calling him classless

That said I think you fine Westbrook and ban the fan. I feel that some fans are getting more bold these days too.

Is this true?

[Chris P]

Is this true?

I didn't think so..there was another post that looked like it came from a fake account..but i thought the maga post was his..he just deleted it and a bunch of others

[Bulls90s]

I love these threads because we get to see who all the racists on the board are.

I see what you did there... :rolleyes:

Westbrook is a freaking knucklehead...two wrongs dont make a right, buddy.

Many fans dislike the guy b/c of his behavior n attitude.

Westbrook got butt hurt n I loved it...cranberry juice, Russell?

He really embarrassed the league...

[bjho852]

Either way, the fan got permanently banned by Jazz. Don't know if Westbrook will face any disciplinary action.

[Jasondr91]

Both are in the wrong. I saw a bunch of tweets from the fan, of all legit, he’s an asshat looking for social media fame. And he’s getting it. Looks like the kinda tool who grunts as he works out, drives a Dodge Ram, and is 40+, and hangs out at places trying to hook up with 20 year olds. Douche-fame.....(I just described Kukocitb)

I’d guarantee Westbrook has been called worse, especially being from SE LA.

[arashY]

25k fine it is

[Chris P]

Saw he's gonna file lawsuit against Russ

[gonzagacubs]

It is unfortunate that things like this happen. Nobody comes off looking good.

That being said, one of these two men is a role model to thousands, possibly millions of kids out there. Not exactly someone who I would hope my future kids would look up to, but it is what it is. You are expected to act like a professional while you are working, regardless if you agree with it or not. To let something like this, affect you in that type of manner is just not appropriate. Be a bigger man, and rise above it. Ignore the idiot spewing the disgusting verbiage. The other guy is a real piece of work as well. I just saw the Jazz banned this individual from the arena. This is the appropriate action for this person. His behavior has no place. Unfortunate these two knuckleheads made the news last night and this morning for this incident.

[regularp]

Glad the Jazz banned this prick for life and Mitchell came out in support of Westbrook. Fans have to be held accountable for the things they say and do. Utah is notorious for saying vile things to players. Been happening for decades.

Don't say something as a fan you wouldn't say to the same person's face in a bar.

[the27guy]

If the fan really said what Russ reported him to have said, then he should be banned for life.

But a $25k fine to RW isn't punitive enough in my opinion. And here's why....

The message sent today is twofold 1) That when players react the way that Russ did, the fans will be penalized literally for the rest of their lives. and that 2) the player is penalized with literally one tenth of one percent of his salary.

In my opinion the fine to Westbrook does nothing to deter this type of behavior and only aids to promote players to behave this way.

I'm not saying that the fan didn't say what Russ said he did. But what's to stop any player from threatening fans after this? Just say that the fan said something about the players family or something racially charged, and you'll be left virtually unaffected and the fan will be removed for his/her life. That doesn't seem like a very good precedent to set..... but what do I know? Adam Silver certainly knows a lot more than me.

[Bowman23]

Honestly don’t see anything wrong with what Russ did. If the fan is gonna say stuff like that, he should expect a response. Simple as that. Russ shouldn’t get a fine, but people are so soft now a days that he will probably get suspended a few games.

People are so soft now a days love that you 1000% right.

[the27guy]

Glad the Jazz banned this prick for life and Mitchell came out in support of Westbrook. Fans have to be held accountable for the things they say and do. Utah is notorious for saying vile things to players. Been happening for decades.

Don't say something as a fan you wouldn't say to the same person's face in a bar.

I have rarely sat court side, only 8-10 times in the bottom 10 rows, but in the 100+ games I've been to in that stadium, I've yet to hear someone say something racially charged. Not one time. I would call someone out for that - and I'd think that most people would.

I've heard "You suck" and "Overrated" and "go home" to players and all sorts of "are you blind?" etc directed at the refs.

What I can tell you is that I've been in other places where words that I consider "swear words" are spoken very commonly and that is, in my experience, not common at Jazz games. University of Utah football can be pretty rough with the language. But at Jazz games, I have heard very little in terms of swearing.

I will say that the Jazz stadium is the loudest place that I've been.... and players don't like how the arena slopes more than other arena's do. I hear all the time ALL THE TIME players talk about how the fans are "right on top of you". The issue may be that the fans are in closer proximity than in other arenas. I don't know.

[spurs50fan]

If the fan really said what Russ reported him to have said, then he should be banned for life.

But a $25k fine to RW isn't punitive enough in my opinion. And here's why....

The message sent today is twofold 1) That when players react the way that Russ did, the fans will be penalized literally for the rest of their lives. and that 2) the player is penalized with literally one tenth of one percent of his salary.

In my opinion the fine to Westbrook does nothing to deter this type of behavior and only aids to promote players to behave this way.

I'm not saying that the fan didn't say what Russ said he did. But what's to stop any player from threatening fans after this? Just say that the fan said something about the players family or something racially charged, and you'll be left virtually unaffected and the fan will be removed for his/her life. That doesn't seem like a very good precedent to set..... but what do I know? Adam Silver certainly knows a lot more than me.

Fan should have scrubbed his online footprint before popping off. Russ said he said "X". Of course you can deny deny deny but a little investigation revealed he is very capable of saying "X" and specifically to Russ... Doesn't help that the arena has also been pegged as having "X"-sayers.

And what's up with the 5 fans that were flagged for violating the NBA fan code of conduct. I actually haven't heard of the system before today. Maybe things were just overcharged last night. imo the league failed both sides in this instance

[imbluestreak23]

Human society continues to spiral down the toilet. Shame the level of disrespect between people.

Feel bad for those of you with offspring

[Siberian13]

Yeah, a warriors writer was on the radio today and said players had heard the N word there on multiple occasions


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Shouldn’t the players stop using the N word as well as the fans? I’ve heard it multiple times during nba and nfl games from players. Didn’t Russ just use it towards the fan?

[KhalDrogo]

I'm not saying that the fan didn't say what Russ said he did. But what's to stop any player from threatening fans after this? Just say that the fan said something about the players family or something racially charged, and you'll be left virtually unaffected and the fan will be removed for his/her life. That doesn't seem like a very good precedent to set..... but what do I know? Adam Silver certainly knows a lot more than me.
What did you want to happen exactly?

[hofcollector2]

How does a fan get banned for life? About 10 years ago a friend of mine got banned for life from a casino for fighting and after about a year or 2 goes there alll the time.

[Siberian13]

How does a fan get banned for life? About 10 years ago a friend of mine got banned for life from a casino for fighting and after about a year or 2 goes there alll the time.

No clue? Do they check your ID? Thought they just scanned your ticket and that was it.

[hxcmilkshake]

Isn't Utah like all Mormon?

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[rman112]

How does a fan get banned for life? About 10 years ago a friend of mine got banned for life from a casino for fighting and after about a year or 2 goes there alll the time.

No clue? Do they check your ID? Thought they just scanned your ticket and that was it.

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/malkovich-line.jpg?quality=100&w=650&h=362

[Siberian13]

Isn't Utah like all Mormon?

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I’m going to guess half Mormon. :)

[jazz1232dc]

I have rarely sat court side, only 8-10 times in the bottom 10 rows, but in the 100+ games I've been to in that stadium, I've yet to hear someone say something racially charged. Not one time. I would call someone out for that - and I'd think that most people would.

I've heard "You suck" and "Overrated" and "go home" to players and all sorts of "are you blind?" etc directed at the refs.

What I can tell you is that I've been in other places where words that I consider "swear words" are spoken very commonly and that is, in my experience, not common at Jazz games. University of Utah football can be pretty rough with the language. But at Jazz games, I have heard very little in terms of swearing.

I will say that the Jazz stadium is the loudest place that I've been.... and players don't like how the arena slopes more than other arena's do. I hear all the time ALL THE TIME players talk about how the fans are "right on top of you". The issue may be that the fans are in closer proximity than in other arenas. I don't know.

I had season tickets for 9 years, and before that probably have sat in the first 10 rows close to the same amount of times as you. Not one time have I heard anything racial said, and there's no way I would let that crap fly if I had heard it. I have however heard quite a bit of swearing, and that's probably due to my season tickets being in the upper bowl where you get the more casual drinking fans.

[DajuanWagner]

If the fan really said what Russ reported him to have said, then he should be banned for life.

But a $25k fine to RW isn't punitive enough in my opinion. And here's why....

The message sent today is twofold 1) That when players react the way that Russ did, the fans will be penalized literally for the rest of their lives. and that 2) the player is penalized with literally one tenth of one percent of his salary.

In my opinion the fine to Westbrook does nothing to deter this type of behavior and only aids to promote players to behave this way.

I'm not saying that the fan didn't say what Russ said he did. But what's to stop any player from threatening fans after this? Just say that the fan said something about the players family or something racially charged, and you'll be left virtually unaffected and the fan will be removed for his/her life. That doesn't seem like a very good precedent to set..... but what do I know? Adam Silver certainly knows a lot more than me.



Do a lot of fans act this way at games, Adam???

[jazz1232dc]

Do a lot of fans act this way at games, Adam???

No.

But according to the national media it's all Jazz fans and Utah is a racist state, so everyone that watches and listens to this just accepts it as the truth.

[theleica]

And now the guy is filing a lawsuit against Westbrook. :doh:

[Siberian13]

No.

But according to the national media it's all Jazz fans and Utah is a racist state, so everyone that watches and listens to this just accepts it as the truth.

Utah is the Massachusetts of the West :)

[ninjacookies]

I'm in absolute disbelief this occurred in Utah, and will need video evidence of the racial slurs before I rush to judgement.


They easily have the largest minority population of any Mormon colony in the Confederacy.

[tier1dc]

Via @espn_macmahon
“Sources told ESPN that the Jazz gathered intelligence Monday that also verified Westbrook's version.”

[ballhawkdawk]

Utah is the Massachusetts of the West :)

I’ve never been in a more racist state than Massachusetts. Was kinda surprising since the south has the bad reputation.

[ballhawkdawk]

Via @espn_macmahon
“Sources told ESPN that the Jazz gathered intelligence Monday that also verified Westbrook's version.”

Of course. Westbrook plays 80-90 games a year and hears all kinds of stuff. There was that fat, ugly goober in Philly who was yelling at him and flipping him the bird courtside and Russ was just like, “really, man?” Something serious was said for him to react that way.

[NoleinJax]

I'm in absolute disbelief this occurred in Utah, and will need video evidence of the racial slurs before I rush to judgement.


They easily have the largest minority population of any Mormon colony in the Confederacy.

Let your bigotry shine

[persona]

Westbrook seems like an easy player to dislike outside of OKC but I can’t recall him getting in any trouble outside of the court.
When they came to indy I remember him signing ton of stuff for kids before and after the game and thinking “Pretty cool dude” to actually take his time and sign stuff for kids.

A grown ass person should know what should be said and what shouldn’t be said.

[ninjacookies]

Let your bigotry shine

Coming from the guy who labeled Westbrook as a 'gangster,' I feel honored.

[blackbears86]

Not a damn thing.

Russ should ignore it and brush it off, why? Because he's rich?

lol if someone came into an office and started berating an employee with the same words that idiot did last night, he'd be arrested. But because he paid for tickets, he can verbally abuse a player, and Russ should just ignore it?

In most cases, sure...''Russ, you suck! You'll never win without KD! You can't shoot! You're soft!'' - ok, fine. The things some of these idiots say should warrant some kind of punishment, if we want to punish the player.

And seriously, guys...a fine? A fine. $50k for Russell Westbrook. That's laughably stupid.

That's like sentencing the convicted armed robber to 1 hour of sitting in the corner before you release him.

The fan's an a-hole and a racist dirtbag. His social media showed his true colors, and he'll have a hard time for a while. Then we'll forget about him, and he'll go back to guzzling Natty Light while eating cheetos puffs and scratching his butt while he screams at the 65" TV he bought at Walmart with his income tax return.

God Bless.




Fantastic post.

[hawkeyecards]

Seriously, what a joke of a thread. Racist undertones immediately and white people playing victim. Expect nothing less of this forum, can almost predict what is going to be said. People about to get pissed I called them out too.

Thankfully not everyone guys into the ignorance and racism demonstrates by some of the posters.

[KhalDrogo]

Seriously, what a joke of a thread. Racist undertones immediately and white people playing victim. Expect nothing less of this forum, can almost predict what is going to be said. People about to get pissed I called them out too.

Thankfully not everyone guys into the ignorance and racism demonstrates by some of the posters.
We need the politics forum back!

[cnewby]

25k fine it is

Not an option!

[cnewby]

Via @espn_macmahon
“Sources told ESPN that the Jazz gathered intelligence Monday that also verified Westbrook's version.”

Silly gangster couldn't be telling the truth! :coffee:

[Siberian13]

Seriously, what a joke of a thread. Racist undertones immediately and white people playing victim. Expect nothing less of this forum, can almost predict what is going to be said. People about to get pissed I called them out too.

Thankfully not everyone guys into the ignorance and racism demonstrates by some of the posters.

Are you ok with black people using the N word? :)

[hofcollector2]

Seriously, what a joke of a thread. Racist undertones immediately and white people playing victim. Expect nothing less of this forum, can almost predict what is going to be said. People about to get pissed I called them out too.

Thankfully not everyone guys into the ignorance and racism demonstrates by some of the posters.

:coffee::coffee::coffee:

[hawkeyecards]

Are you ok with black people using the N word? :)
As a white person, it's not within my scope to tell another race what words they can and cannot say. But, if you feel you have an answer, by all means, I'm sure it's appropriate.

But by all means, please keep asking these existential questions you have on your mind instead of addressing the real issues.

22 people on this board say that Westbrook should get suspended for multiple games.

After everything that fan did in the past, all his tweets that he deleted right away, all the things he's said and done that haven't been made public, etc etc. But he's going to play victim right? You think this is the first time that it's ever happened like this? Definitely won't be the last. Either people or blatantly just racist or willfully ignorant to search out for the story behind his sob story interview after the game. Historians, you know, people that study history and it's effects for a living, basically unanimously agree the MAGA stuff is going to be considered synonymous with a white robe and hood and cross burnings. So take that how you want, knowing the fans history with MAGA posts and ideals we can pretty much deduce what his intentions are.

How on Earth is this Westbrook's fault? If any of you were in this situation, what would you do? Most people here get so offended and defensive when called out on their racism, I'm sure they could imagine what it's like to have people hate on you constantly for no other reason than the color of your skin. That'd involve critical thinking so that probably disqualifies a lot of them already.

[ClipsandVols]

Are you ok with black people using the N word? :)I realize this question wasn't directed at me, but why should you or anyone else care if a black player says it? It's not spoken in your direction and isn't being used in a derogatory manner to belittle anyone.





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[ninjacookies]

As a white person, it's not within my scope to tell another race what words they can and cannot say. But, if you feel you have an answer, by all means, I'm sure it's appropriate.

But by all means, please keep asking these existential questions you have on your mind instead of addressing the real issues.

22 people on this board say that Westbrook should get suspended for multiple games.

After everything that fan did in the past, all his tweets that he deleted right away, all the things he's said and done that haven't been made public, etc etc. But he's going to play victim right? You think this is the first time that it's ever happened like this? Definitely won't be the last. Either people or blatantly just racist or willfully ignorant to search out for the story behind his sob story interview after the game. Historians, you know, people that study history and it's effects for a living, basically unanimously agree the MAGA stuff is going to be considered synonymous with a white robe and hood and cross burnings. So take that how you want, knowing the fans history with MAGA posts and ideals we can pretty much deduce what his intentions are.

How on Earth is this Westbrook's fault? If any of you were in this situation, what would you do? Most people here get so offended and defensive when called out on their racism, I'm sure they could imagine what it's like to have people hate on you constantly for no other reason than the color of your skin. That'd involve critical thinking so that probably disqualifies a lot of them already.

Because white people can't be 'gangsters' or 'thugs.'

Just possibly misunderstood.

[hawkeyecards]

Get down on your knees is no where near racial. Maybe he said something else that was racial but that is sexual. His Twitter on the other hand is racial but that had nothing to do the confrontation.

You're that simple minded you can't see the big picture? Or do you just simply not want to? Was not aware that you can speak for Russell Westbrook on what is racist or not racist when it's directed at him.

[hawkeyecards]

I realize this question wasn't directed at me, but why should you or anyone else care if a black player says it? It's not spoken in your direction and isn't being used in a derogatory manner to belittle anyone.





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Exactly. It doesn't involve the people asking these questions. They just try and chip away at any progress with these little simple minded comments that are definitely biased and trying to push one way of thinking.

[the27guy]

What did you want to happen exactly?

I guess that's a fair question. It really is a difficult situation that Silver was put in. I understand that.

I would have corroborated the story in a one on one with the other players that claimed they heard it to make 1000% sure that the guy not only said what he said but that they were sure it was him and not someone else. Remember when Artest grabbed the wrong guy? It's not easy for players to KNOW who said what.

Then, if I was sure that the fan in question said what was claimed I would ban him for life.

Then..... and this isn't going to be popular..... I would suspend Russ. Why? Because you have to let players know that whether you are verbally, or even physically (in the case of the cup throw) assaulted, your job is to report it to the authorities and let them deal with it.

Instead, Silver's message is, say what you want including threats..... and then state afterword what was said to you, and that makes it all okay. Again, that's a really poor precedent to set. That's my opinion.

[rman112]

Can we just have a system where scarlet R is placed next to certain member's names?

Would make sorting through these things much easier!

[Boo]

You're that simple minded you can't see the big picture? Or do you just simply not want to? Was not aware that you can speak for Russell Westbrook on what is racist or not racist when it's directed at him.

Afraid to leave your original post...all talk like Russ.:coffee::coffee::coffee:

[Boo]

Can we just have a system where scarlet R is placed next to certain member's names?

Would make sorting through these things much easier!

I just assume everyone has a "D" next to their name

[hawkeyecards]

Afraid to leave your original post...all talk like Russ.:coffee::coffee::coffee:
That you're racist? And apparently proud of it.

[rman112]

So what exactly did the guy, and/or his wife, say to Westbrook?

[Boo]

That you're racist? And apparently proud of it.

Afraid of getting suspended? Seems you might be Russ!

[Boo]

That you're racist? And apparently proud of it.

I consider you racist for saying I'm racist.

[hawkeyecards]

I consider you racist for saying I'm racist.
How so? How am I being racist? This will be good I'm sure.

And why would I get banned for calling you out on it? If that's the case, then we know exactly where the Blowout Forum stands on this type of issue.

[Boo]

How so? How am I being racist? This will be good I'm sure.

And why would I get banned for calling you out on it? If that's the case, then we know exactly where the Blowout Forum stands on this type of issue.

Was not aware that you can speak for me on what is racist or not racist when directed at me.:coffee::coffee:

[ninjacookies]

Motion to undelete and merge with the Kaepernick thread.

[Siberian13]

I realize this question wasn't directed at me, but why should you or anyone else care if a black player says it? It's not spoken in your direction and isn't being used in a derogatory manner to belittle anyone.

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Why can one race say it and get a pass? Just makes no sense to me. When Russ said it, was it out of love or a form of respect when directed towards the fan? If it’s ok for him to say it, then why does everyone bleep it out in their articles???? Just think it’s foolish for anyone to use those words. I’ve been called it by a black person and it wasn’t in a good way. He wa trying to be disrespectful but no one cared because he was black. All just seems foolish. Russ and the fan both look like idiots to me.

[hawkeyecards]

Motion to undelete and merge with the Kaepernick thread.

Seconded.

[Siberian13]

I consider you racist for saying I'm racist.

I agree Hawkeye seems to be very racist toward chubby chasers like Boo. :)

[hawkeyecards]

Why can one race say it and get a pass? Just makes no sense to me. When Russ said it, was it out of love or a form of respect when directed towards the fan? If it’s ok for him to say it, then why does everyone bleep it out in their articles???? Just think it’s foolish for anyone to use those words. I’ve been called it by a black person and it wasn’t in a good way. He wa trying to be disrespectful but no one cared because he was black. All just seems foolish. Russ and the fan both look like idiots to me.
What? Just stop. What are you trying to do here? You're missing the forest for the one tree, which you seem to do a lot, either by choice or not. There's no rule you can or cannot say it, you're protected by the first amendment, freedom of speech. However, you're not protected by societal norms. It appears that a lot of people are trying to change this, knowing full well the context of the word and the original history of it.

Do you know the context of the word? It was never directed towards you. It never will be directed towards you in the original circumstances either. You are trying to make this about you. Do you want people to feel sorry for you? What are you trying to get out of this?

In typical fashion, you won't answer any of the questions and try to find another generic talking point to latch onto and demand an answer.

[ClipsandVols]

Why can one race say it and get a pass? Just makes no sense to me. When Russ said it, was it out of love or a form of respect when directed towards the fan? If it’s ok for him to say it, then why does everyone bleep it out in their articles???? Just think it’s foolish for anyone to use those words. I’ve been called it by a black person and it wasn’t in a good way. He wa trying to be disrespectful but no one cared because he was black. All just seems foolish. Russ and the fan both look like idiots to me.You're entitled to your opinion on the word, especially when it is applied to you.

My understanding of your first question is, "If I can't say it, no one should be able to say it," so I'll just go ahead and exit this conversation.

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[hawkeyecards]

You're entitled to your opinion on the word, especially when it is applied to you.

My understanding of your first question is, "If I can't say it, no one should be able to say it," so I'll just go ahead and exit this conversation.

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You're hitting the nail right on the head.

[Siberian13]

What? Just stop. What are you trying to do here? You're missing the forest for the one tree, which you seem to do a lot, either by choice or not. There's no rule you can or cannot say it, you're protected by the first amendment, freedom of speech. However, you're not protected by societal norms. It appears that a lot of people are trying to change this, knowing full well the context of the word and the original history of it.

Do you know the context of the word? It was never directed towards you. It never will be directed towards you in the original circumstances either. You are trying to make this about you. Do you want people to feel sorry for you? What are you trying to get out of this?

In typical fashion, you won't answer any of the questions and try to find another generic talking point to latch onto and demand an answer.

I know I can say the word if I chose to. Words do not offend me. The word has been directed towards me. The context was not a positive one. I only want you to feel sorry for me. :). I want nothing out of this. Is there a prize or something I am unaware of? Russ decided to use a poor choice of words and people just brush it off. I’m sure the fan sad some crappy things too. They are both idiots in my opinion. Doesn’t matter what race/color you are. Just be an adult and stop using the word. Russ still acts like a child. We’ve seen this multiple times from him.

It’s like anytime there’s a thread like this, you go to your closet and put your cape on or something.

[Siberian13]

You're entitled to your opinion on the word, especially when it is applied to you.

My understanding of your first question is, "If I can't say it, no one should be able to say it," so I'll just go ahead and exit this conversation.

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I can say it, you can say it, we can all say it. Just seems ignorant for anyone to use it and ignorant to give people passes for using it.

[Siberian13]

Have a good night Hawkeye. I’m bouncing my butt back to football where’s it’s safer :)

[Wiseysez]

As vile and hurtful as the history of that word is, why would anyone, no matter their, race want to use any form of it? I guess that’s what I don’t understand.

And I’m holding my vote until I hear definitive proof of what was said and what is real and fake on this guys twitter.

[hawkeyecards]

As vile and hurtful as the history of that word is, why would anyone, no matter their, race want to use any form of it? I guess that’s what I don’t understand.

And I’m holding my vote until I hear definitive proof of what was said and what is real and fake on this guys twitter.
Too many people worry about things that don't pertain to them or not apart of the problem here. Didn't this guy use the N word in a tweet? But we're focused on whether or not black people can use the word?? He was also a cop and in the army (POG in peacetime though right?) and you don't see a problem with him using the N word and being blatantly racist? But again, we're concerned on whether or not black people can use the word? Yes, you read that twice.

It's pretty obvious for Kaepernick's case now. You see the blatant and obvious racism by a person in power. People are giving that fan the benefit of the doubt and letting Russell Westbrook have to justify himself. None of us can really put ourselves in Westbrook's position can we? I'm sure a lot of people that are giving Westbrook this hate and telling him he should watch his mouth and stay in line are just idiots. Same people, assuming that they believe in some sort of fictional god or MAGA or whatever, will instantly get pissed when people attack their (made up) beliefs and disregard any solid proof for Westbrook's case.

[irfuji]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26241791/jazz-ban-fan-permanently-westbrook-fined-25k

At the end of the day it appears Westbrooks version of the story was found to be credible enough.

Excerpt from the article: "Thunder reserves Raymond Felton and Patrick Patterson confirmed Westbrook's side of the story. Sources told ESPN that the Jazz gathered intelligence Monday that also verified Westbrook's version."

[RogerGodahell]

Whatever the guy said wasn't right if Westbrook's interpretation is correct. Let's assume it was and the guy did say those things. I don't think he should be threatening the mans wife. Things get kind of ugly there. They're both in the wrong. As i mentioned earlier i believe he should have pointed out the fan to someone and he would have been removed from the building the next time he said something.

[rman112]

Whatever the guy said wasn't right if Westbrook's interpretation is correct. Let's assume it was and the guy did say those things. I don't think he should be threatening the mans wife. Things get kind of ugly there. They're both in the wrong. As i mentioned earlier i believe he should have pointed out the fan to someone and he would have been removed from the building the next time he said something.

Interpretation is definitely key.

Has Westbrook ever said what that fan said to him last year in Utah, when he snapped while walking off the court?

[hawkeyecards]

Whatever the guy said wasn't right if Westbrook's interpretation is correct. Let's assume it was and the guy did say those things. I don't think he should be threatening the mans wife. Things get kind of ugly there. They're both in the wrong. As i mentioned earlier i believe he should have pointed out the fan to someone and he would have been removed from the building the next time he said something.
He's basically using his wife as a prop, using her as a victim to hide behind. Does she have some of that racism and hate in her? I know my wife would probably leave me, rightfully so, if I were outright racist and tweeted what he did. But yes, let's turn this all back on Russell Westbrook because he said a mean thing to a fan...

[ninjacookies]

I truly hope this pre-school softball coach looking fella has the gonads to spit this same rhetoric in an urban setting where he's not divided by multiple rows of fans and large security. Perhaps getting out of Utah will allow him to spread his MMA wings and fly.

He seems like a fairly tough guy that can hold his own when it comes to Night Court and Cheers sitcom trivia.

[hawkeyecards]

That's not at all what i said. What i said was Westbrook shouldn't have said he'd f*ch his wife up. That was uncalled for.
For sure, I was speaking more generally, not directed towards you.

But speaking on that it's uncalled for sure, it is. Again, she seemed to be compliant with it all, if she wasn't, I hope she does what's best for her. But if this is the tipping point on it all, we know what side people favor. The fan can have a history of racism, post about it, I'm sure he's talking about it, who knows why he left the Utah State Police at 17 years, maybe he pensioned out or used his National Guard service to put him at 20 years, maybe he got in some trouble, who knows. I won't consider the fact that if he's this outright racist, what was he acting like as a cop, especially before cameras and recorders and all that. I'm sure he was a POS cop for sure. All this builds up but it's still not right for Westbrook to say to the wife? Sure, but that's not the ultimate cap to this. We all know why he referred to his wife as 5' 105 pounds or whatever she is.

[hawkeyecards]

I truly hope this pre-school softball coach looking fella has the gonads to spit this same rhetoric in an urban setting where he's not divided by multiple rows of fans and large security. Perhaps getting out of Utah will allow him to spread his MMA wings and fly.

He seems like a fairly tough guy that can hold his own when it comes to Night Court and Cheers sitcom trivia.
Could only imagine what he was like as a cop...in Utah.

Think about how many other cops are like him? Wouldn't matter where he is, he's protected by the gun and badge, unfortunately.

[NoleinJax]

Coming from the guy who labeled Westbrook as a 'gangster,' I feel honored.

I was referencing the way he was talking. If you don't agree that's cool, but nothing bigoted in what I said. I've heard people of all colors talk like that. Seems like you think only blacks can be gangster and everyone in Utah is racist. You might want to be a little more introspective before you impugn entire populations of people. Do you not see people as individuals or do you put everyone into a box based off of their immutable characteristics and/or geographical location? Have you ever been to Utah or have you based your opinion of Utahans off of media reports about how a few fans have reportedly acted throughout the years? Do you trust everything you read in the media?

[ninjacookies]

Could only imagine what he was like as a cop...in Utah.

Think about how many other cops are like him? Wouldn't matter where he is, he's protected by the gun and badge, unfortunately.

No video evidence = no problem!

[ninjacookies]

I was referencing the way he was talking. If you don't agree that's cool, but nothing bigoted in what I said. I've heard people of all colors talk like that. Seems like you think only blacks can be gangster and everyone in Utah is racist. You might want to be a little more introspective before you impugn entire populations of people. Do you not see people as individuals or do you put everyone into a box based off of their immutable characteristics and/or geographical location? Have you ever been to Utah or have you based your opinion of Utahans off of media reports about how a few fans have reportedly acted throughout the years? Do you trust everything you read in the media?


Right.

So Westbrook is a 'gangster' but you made no character reference at the elderly man who instigated the debacle by saying some pretty sweet words in the process?

Would you classify him as a gangster as well? I think it's pretty clear what kind of inference you were making by that. See plenty of these not so subtle racial 'gangster' and 'thug' references here on BO that not too coincidentally are only tossed around when it's an african american or minority athlete in question.

#MAGA, I guess.

[NoleinJax]

As a white person, it's not within my scope to tell another race what words they can and cannot say. But, if you feel you have an answer, by all means, I'm sure it's appropriate.

But by all means, please keep asking these existential questions you have on your mind instead of addressing the real issues.

22 people on this board say that Westbrook should get suspended for multiple games.

After everything that fan did in the past, all his tweets that he deleted right away, all the things he's said and done that haven't been made public, etc etc. But he's going to play victim right? You think this is the first time that it's ever happened like this? Definitely won't be the last. Either people or blatantly just racist or willfully ignorant to search out for the story behind his sob story interview after the game. Historians, you know, people that study history and it's effects for a living, basically unanimously agree the MAGA stuff is going to be considered synonymous with a white robe and hood and cross burnings. So take that how you want, knowing the fans history with MAGA posts and ideals we can pretty much deduce what his intentions are.

How on Earth is this Westbrook's fault? If any of you were in this situation, what would you do? Most people here get so offended and defensive when called out on their racism, I'm sure they could imagine what it's like to have people hate on you constantly for no other reason than the color of your skin. That'd involve critical thinking so that probably disqualifies a lot of them already.


Stay woke

[drobfan8]

What to do with Westbrook? Hmmm

How about give him a set of gloves and then a set to that jerk in the crowd and go 3 x 3 minute rounds and call it even. Maybe leave the wife out of it though.

[cnewby]

God bless hawkeye

[ninjacookies]

What to do with Westbrook? Hmmm

How about give him a set of gloves and then a set to that jerk in the crowd and go 3 x 3 minute rounds and call it even. Maybe leave the wife out of it though.

She's probably more capable than he is. The one that barks loudest in the room....

[NoleinJax]

Right.

So Westbrook is a 'gangster' but you made no character reference at the elderly man who instigated the debacle by saying some pretty sweet words in the process?

Would you classify him as a gangster as well? I think it's pretty clear what kind of inference you were making by that. See plenty of these not so subtle racial 'gangster' and 'thug' references here on BO that not too coincidentally are only tossed around when it's an african american or minority athlete in question.

#MAGA, I guess.

Ahh, so whataboutism. What about the fan when the discussion was on Westbrook. I've heard differing stories about some of the tweets being fake so I won't speak on those, but I haven't heard anything about the guy cursing or using racial slurs during the incident with Westbrook and that's what I was focused on. It's not like Westbrook knew that guy said something bad about him on Twitter and that was his excuse for completely losing his cool. According to reports, the guy said "Get on your knees like you're used to,". It's most certainly disrespectful and the fan should have been ejected for the game, but a lifetime ban because of that seems excessive. It's the Jazz's right though to do that. I don't know if that man is racist or not because I do not know his heart. I can't imagine a racist spending good money on pricey NBA seats to watch SUPERIOR black athletes play a game, but I could be wrong. I feel sorry for someone who thinks everyone using thug or gangster is somehow a racist. I think it was appropriate in this case because of his language, tone, and body language. Growing up on the westside of Jacksonville, FL gives me a much different perspective on life than someone from Russia (if that's where you are really from). I've seen men and women of all races use similar language and have been guilty of using it myself in my much younger days and things rarely turned out well. If Russell was out in the street and the guy had said that to him, I'd be perfectly cool with him knocking his butt out, but when he's making the kind of money he is, he has to be able to keep his cool like that. It's not good for him, his team, or the league imo.

[hawkeyecards]

Ahh, so whataboutism. What about the fan when the discussion was on Westbrook. I've heard differing stories about some of the tweets being fake so I won't speak on those, but I haven't heard anything about the guy cursing or using racial slurs during the incident with Westbrook and that's what I was focused on. It's not like Westbrook knew that guy said something bad about him on Twitter and that was his excuse for completely losing his cool. According to reports, the guy said "Get on your knees like you're used to,". It's most certainly disrespectful and the fan should have been ejected for the game, but a lifetime ban because of that seems excessive. It's the Jazz's right though to do that. I don't know if that man is racist or not because I do not know his heart. I can't imagine a racist spending good money on pricey NBA seats to watch SUPERIOR black athletes play a game, but I could be wrong. I feel sorry for someone who thinks everyone using thug or gangster is somehow a racist. I think it was appropriate in this case because of his language, tone, and body language. Growing up on the westside of Jacksonville, FL gives me a much different perspective on life than someone from Russia (if that's where you are really from). I've seen men and women of all races use similar language and have been guilty of using it myself in my much younger days and things rarely turned out well. If Russell was out in the street and the guy had said that to him, I'd be perfectly cool with him knocking his butt out, but when he's making the kind of money he is, he has to be able to keep his cool like that. It's not good for him, his team, or the league imo.
Oh my...
This is just simple thinking for a complex issue. This doesn't start and end in that one minute confrontation.

You say you've "heard" stories that some of the tweets might be fake.
You haven't "heard" the guy cursing or using racial during the incident.
You "can't imagine" a racist spending money on seats to watch the game.

Donald Sterling OWNED an entire NBA team, pretty racist guy. There are plenty of racists that pay a lot of money for sports because they view it as just entertainment, hence the phrase, "shut up and play".

I'm glad you're perfectly cool with Russell Westbrook knocking this guy out on the street...but since he has money he can't have the self-respect of getting treated like a human being from this fan?

Come on, be better than this.

[Jwhoops]

He's basically using his wife as a prop, using her as a victim to hide behind. Does she have some of that racism and hate in her? I know my wife would probably leave me, rightfully so, if I were outright racist and tweeted what he did. But yes, let's turn this all back on Russell Westbrook because he said a mean thing to a fan...

Wait Westbrook threatening her means the guy is using her as a prop? The guy is obviously a racist, but I have to believe more was said than what was reported. I've heard variations of "get on your knees" from hecklers/hostile crowds countless times at basketball games and never once did anybody come to the conclusion that it was racist. The days of Spike Lee and Reggie Miller are long gone...

[hawkeyecards]

No, because Westbrook threatened her is not the reason she was a prop. The fact that he brought her to the game and wanted to heckle him means she was probably in attendance as a prop, thinking he could hide behind her and play victim...which is exactly what he did. Are you black? If you're not and you're actually white, do you think that if a person says one thing to a white person and the same to a black person, it could be perceived racist towards the black person? I'm not okay with people telling black people how they should feel because a white person is not offended by the same thing. Think about silly that is for a white person to say that? Kind of ridiculous right? RW thought he was being racist, turns out, he was 100% right. Weird.

Why are people still sticking up for that fan?

[Jasondr91]

I was lost after I read MAGA is synonymous with white hate groups. Ignorance oozes from this forum.

Yes, it was quite laughable. This thread will be deleted soon enough. :coffee:

[james23wcr]

How deluded do you have to be to be supporting the fan in this instance?

NoleinJax, reckon it's time for you to sit the next play out mate.

[jstephens24]

a knew a certain member couldn't stay away from this topic

[JJT19]

25 k fine and the fan is banned.

[spurs50fan]

How deluded do you have to be to be supporting the fan in this instance?

NoleinJax, reckon it's time for you to sit the next play out mate.

Different perspectives help to understand because everyone is so complex...I guess (benefit of the doubt and such)

In this situation, we know it’s not all the fans in Utah or even most. It’s the few and to pretend to know the intentions of those few just because you love the Jazz or hate Russ is unfair to everyone. Same for life in general. But what we get into is circular, predictable arguments that end up going nowhere

In my opinion everyone has a breaking point and, even though we expect more from these guys, things can come to an ugly apex. Especially when disrespect is involved. Should Russ have alerted someone to handle it? Yeah but what if he’s done that over the past decade? These guys aren’t perfect and expect more stuff to come out supporting his allegations like this

https://twitter.com/Bballforeverfb/status/1105683197914804224?s=20

[DajuanWagner]

25 k fine and the fan is banned.



My guess was right on the 25. I was just off by a few zeros...……….

[NoleinJax]

How deluded do you have to be to be supporting the fan in this instance?

NoleinJax, reckon it's time for you to sit the next play out mate.

No where am I supporting the fan. I understand reading comprehension is hard for some people so I won't hold it against you. :)!

[NoleinJax]

Oh my...
This is just simple thinking for a complex issue. This doesn't start and end in that one minute confrontation.

You say you've "heard" stories that some of the tweets might be fake.
You haven't "heard" the guy cursing or using racial during the incident.
You "can't imagine" a racist spending money on seats to watch the game.

Donald Sterling OWNED an entire NBA team, pretty racist guy. There are plenty of racists that pay a lot of money for sports because they view it as just entertainment, hence the phrase, "shut up and play".

I'm glad you're perfectly cool with Russell Westbrook knocking this guy out on the street...but since he has money he can't have the self-respect of getting treated like a human being from this fan?

Come on, be better than this.

Says the guy equating MAGA hates to kkk hoods. You got to love the moral superiority crowd for their blatant hypocrisy. "He can't have the self-respect of getting treated like a human being from this fan" whatever that word vomit means. Russell's self-respect comes from within and isn't given to him by fans. Also, are you saying that the guy treated Russell as "less than human" because he said get on your knees? Now that's a hot take. The over the top rhetoric is hilarious though.

[Jwhoops]

No, because Westbrook threatened her is not the reason she was a prop. The fact that he brought her to the game and wanted to heckle him means she was probably in attendance as a prop, thinking he could hide behind her and play victim...which is exactly what he did. Are you black? If you're not and you're actually white, do you think that if a person says one thing to a white person and the same to a black person, it could be perceived racist towards the black person? I'm not okay with people telling black people how they should feel because a white person is not offended by the same thing. Think about silly that is for a white person to say that? Kind of ridiculous right? RW thought he was being racist, turns out, he was 100% right. Weird.

Why are people still sticking up for that fan?

So you are trying to claim that the fan anticipated Westbrook would threaten his wife? Do you realize how insane you sound?

And I have no idea how a black person perceives things. But I do know intent matters, and I don’t think a heckler making an on your knees comment is even remotely considering race. I don’t think the countless players who have heard similar comments would ever imply it had anything to do with race. Just like I don’t think westbrook is actually going to attack this guy’s wife?

Like I said, I have to assume there was more that went on that hasn’t been repeated.

[Boo]

So you are trying to claim that the fan anticipated Westbrook would threaten his wife? Do you realize how insane you sound?

No he doesn't

[Bigbluesooner]

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[gopherfan]

Shouldn’t the players stop using the N word as well as the fans? I’ve heard it multiple times during nba and nfl games from players. Didn’t Russ just use it towards the fan?

I deal blackjack, and I hear people use once in a while. I tell them not to use the word. Sometimes I get pushback, and am told that because I'm white that I can't tell them they can't say it. I tell them if they are going to use it, I am going to use it, and am going to let anyone else use it. That usually gets it stopped.

[rustywest]

And he is a litigious punisher :doh:

I would hate for this foul incident to hang over Russ & the Thunder. They are poised to make noise in the playoffs.

As for those getting their knickers in a knot, step away from the keyboard and just relax. You don't have a dog in this race. The guy stepped over the line and Russ flamed him, that's it. Move on. You litigious :doh: Russ is fined and fan is banned. No need to get deep into semantics, racism, wife beating. Don't contribute to the outrage culture America is becoming infamous for, its embarrassing.

[DajuanWagner]

I deal blackjack, and I hear people use once in a while. I tell them not to use the word. Sometimes I get pushback, and am told that because I'm white that I can't tell them they can't say it. I tell them if they are going to use it, I am going to use it, and am going to let anyone else use it. That usually gets it stopped.



Where I come from, if you tell someone that you are going to use it, you will be met with a, "go ahead, use it, see what happens"...……….


For the record, I wouldn't suggest using it...……….

[gopherfan]

Where I come from, if you tell someone that you are going to use it, you will be met with a, "go ahead, use it, see what happens"...……….


For the record, I wouldn't suggest using it...……….

My point is that if it's such a hurtful and offensive word (it is) then nobody should use it. And I can't enforce some people using it and others not. We don't tolerate racist language at the casino I work at. From anyone.

[DajuanWagner]

My point is that if it's such a hurtful and offensive word (it is) then nobody should use it. And I can't enforce some people using it and others not. We don't tolerate racist language at the casino I work at. From anyone.



The thing is, players use it as a term of endearment. 99% of the time, it is not meant as a racial term, but more as a greeting. Maybe in Minnesota things are a little different in how the word is used.

[gopherfan]

If it’s a term of endearment, it’s a term of endearment. But don’t be pissed if others use your “term of endearment “.

[DajuanWagner]

If it’s a term of endearment, it’s a term of endearment. But don’t be pissed if others use your “term of endearment “.



Let me just say, if a person who doesn't own the term, shouldn't use the term. I am not going to tell anyone what to say and what not to say. But, we all know, that some people can use that term and others shouldn't use that term. Notice I didn't say "can't" use that term. Anyone can use any term they wish to use; however, using that term comes with consequences. That's just a fact.

[gopherfan]

I know it's fact. But to be honest, nobody should use it.

[jj2]

If it’s a term of endearment, it’s a term of endearment. But don’t be pissed if others use your “term of endearment “.

This is one of those situations where context is important.

[ninjacookies]

Where I come from, if you tell someone that you are going to use it, you will be met with a, "go ahead, use it, see what happens"...……….


For the record, I wouldn't suggest using it...……….

Yeah. I'm surprised he has not been approached after work.


I totally get not wanting to have them use it in such a close, personal public setting. But issuing a warning or having them escorted is completely different than issuing a warning that you'll use it yourself. That's basically asking to get your you-know-what kicked when you're not surrounded by cameras and security.

[ninjacookies]

If it’s a term of endearment, it’s a term of endearment. But don’t be pissed if others use your “term of endearment “.


You have no right to tell people how to feel about the use of certain words. But you should expect every ounce of retaliation used in relation to your issued challenge if you do indeed 'go there.'

Putting the hard 'r' on it gives it completely different context. But by all means, if you're feeling froggy and want to become the next viral sensation on Worldstar, I suggest following through on the challenge and seeing what happens.

[AnthonyCorona]

Putting the hard 'r' on it gives it completely different context. But by all means, if you're feeling froggy and want to become the next viral sensation on Worldstar, I suggest following through on the challenge and seeing what happens.


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[gopherfan]

I have too many friends that don't appreciate the word. They don't use it, and neither do I. I'm not going to start, but I'm not going to let anyone use it when I am dealing. Term of endearment or not.

[jlzinck]

I still don't know what was said other than the reported...get on your knees like you are used too.

[DajuanWagner]

I have too many friends that don't appreciate the word. They don't use it, and neither do I. I'm not going to start, but I'm not going to let anyone use it when I am dealing. Term of endearment or not.



Obviously, you don't play basketball...……...

[Jasondr91]

Obviously, you don't play basketball...……...

No doubt. Where I’m from, the black guys call even the white guys this term, and it’s not in anger, all while calling each other this nonstop. Many times in anger.....

[blackbears86]

And he is a litigious punisher :doh:

I would hate for this foul incident to hang over Russ & the Thunder. They are poised to make noise in the playoffs.

As for those getting their knickers in a knot, step away from the keyboard and just relax. You don't have a dog in this race. The guy stepped over the line and Russ flamed him, that's it. Move on. You litigious :doh: Russ is fined and fan is banned. No need to get deep into semantics, racism, wife beating. Don't contribute to the outrage culture America is becoming infamous for, its embarrassing.




Another excellent post ^^^^^^^ This guy gets it.

[gopherfan]

Obviously, you don't play basketball...……...

I played in college. Neither of my roommates used it. Nor did anyone on the team.

Edited to add: This was 30 years ago. maybe we were just more respectful back then.

[imbluestreak23]

We need Ben Shapiro logic brought to this discussion. God bless Ben and his rational mind.