LeBron prizm 2012 sells $900 raw shipped from china...

[unscarredrx7]

Was Anyone else out there watching this?


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[jbarnett83]

Great thread

[pinguino17]

a couple of people hyping these cards up to bring prices up. You have to be blind to not see this repetitive trend on all modern junk cards.

[ninjacookies]

Welp. That's it. I'm selling the house and cars and going all in on LBJ prizms before they all reach '52 mantle prices.


Thanks for the motivation, broski.

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[deemsterz33]

Sick thread

[Arianny_Fan]

So my 2012 prizm USA bgs9.5 I have for sale is spot on...

[NoleinJax]

Where's Joe Budden when you need him?

[Southpas2013]

Rookie Cards just aren’t worth a fraction compared to later year Cards.




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[drobfan8]

I bought it. And it's going in to a vault never to be seen again. Someone would have to offer me TWICE that to get it out.

[Arianny_Fan]

Quick question. How many that's hating in this thread here own a 2012 silver prizm Lebron?

[unscarredrx7]

I bought it. And it's going in to a vault never to be seen again. Someone would have to offer me TWICE that to get it out.

You got it?? Congrats!

[Dnic]

Ridiculous to me, let's see a 2003-04 chrome rookie or some 2012+ prism silver..........think I will take the rookie :)!

[KhalDrogo]

There's 10,000+ Lebron 2003 Topps Chrome base out there. There's fewer than 200 Lebron 2012 silver prizms. Basic supply and demand.

[Dnic]

There's 10,000+ Lebron 2003 Topps Chrome base out there. There's fewer than 200 Lebron 2012 silver prizms. Basic supply and demand.

Still doesnt justify the price to me lol, also unless they are numbered that's pure speculation that there are less then 200

[KhalDrogo]

Still doesnt justify the price to me lol, also unless they are numbered that's pure speculation that there are less then 200
It's a little better than speculation. This guy watched 1000 box breaks to come up with the results.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=446293

[Dnic]

It's a little better than speculation. This guy watched 1000 box breaks to come up with the results.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=446293

How many boxes/cases are still out there that is silly going off of that imo, also to make my point there are less 1998-99 chrome refractor Jordan's then 1986-87 fleer Jordan rookies will they ever be priced close to the same...... I dont think so

[deemsterz33]

How many boxes/cases are still out there that is silly going off of that imo, also to make my point there are less 1998-99 chrome refractor Jordan's then 1986-87 fleer Jordan rookies will they ever be priced close to the same...... I dont think so

If Jordan had however many hundred RCs and parallels as LeBron had, then yeah probably would be. Not a good comparison at all.

[KhalDrogo]

How many boxes/cases are still out there that is silly going off of that imo, also to make my point there are less 1998-99 chrome refractor Jordan's then 1986-87 fleer Jordan rookies will they ever be priced close to the same...... I dont think so
If Lebron's only base RC was the 2003 Topps Chrome, then yes, it would be worth a lot more than a 2012 Prizm silver.

[Dnic]

Only people supporting this are the ones who have them and are trying to sell them, hope for your sake they sell fast once the sheep buy them you will probably get stuck with them lol. 2012 gold if they had one I can see that selling for a high price hell any gold Lebron for that matter but some silver smh sheep will be sheep I guess :doh::D

[marinocollector]

How many boxes/cases are still out there that is silly going off of that imo, also to make my point there are less 1998-99 chrome refractor Jordan's then 1986-87 fleer Jordan rookies will they ever be priced close to the same...... I dont think so

No... but a PMG Red is.... you know... the first year PMG from a very popular series.... sorta kinda like whats up with the silvers.....

[Dnic]

No... but a PMG Red is.... you know... the first year PMG from a very popular series.... sorta kinda like whats up with the silvers.....

Not even close to comparison smh lol we all know how many rubies there are cause they are numbered :doh: to compare a silver to a pmg is hilarious

[thenwhatjk]

I think these cards are so hot right now because the lakers have had such a great season

[GeechQuest]

Not even close to comparison smh lol we all know how many rubies there are cause they are numbered :doh: to compare a silver to a pmg is hilarious

Anybody at any moment in time over will be able to snag a Lebron Chrome RC. The same can't be said for the 2012 Silver. You're seeing them put up for sale now because of the increase across the board on 2012 Silver Prizms.

The 2012 Silver Prizm is a scarce card. People are flocking to 2012 because of the scarcity, people flock to the Chrome because it's a rookie. Everybody who wants a Chrome RC either has one or can buy one whenever they feel like it. Everybody who wants a Lebron Silver Prizm cannot own one and only has a shot at one occasionally.

[deemsterz33]

Only people supporting this are the ones who have them and are trying to sell them, hope for your sake they sell fast once the sheep buy them you will probably get stuck with them lol. 2012 gold if they had one I can see that selling for a high price hell any gold Lebron for that matter but some silver smh sheep will be sheep I guess :doh::D

I don't own one. You're just making bad conparisons and being called out on it. At least from what I can try to decipher from the above.....

[marinocollector]

Not even close to comparison smh lol we all know how many rubies there are cause they are numbered :doh: to compare a silver to a pmg is hilarious
Announced print runs and serial numbering has no true effect on value. All it does is give some "peace of mind" if production is something that HAS to be known.. Value is created by supply and demand. Right now, the 2012 Silvers have a huge increase in demand. There are multiple reasons for this, besides market manipulation.
Fact of the matter knowing how many exist doesn't make the silver anymore or less plentiful....
Sometimes it takes decades for collectors to appreciate truly popular and scarce collectibles. Sometimes its immediate. Sometimes, a collectible has immediate demand and eventually decreases in value as supply exceeds demand. Sometimes, the demand is realized again as generations have expendable income, or income to invest, and the market explodes. Other examples of this happening in the collectible world are Star Wars figures, Transformers, various comic books. When younger generations grow up, you see booms.
Beanie babies are a perfect example of the opposite effect. Millions of older generations investing for the younger generations, and the younger generations have little to no care for the product. I don't think that's what is happening with the 2012 Silvers. And you could very much regret no picking up the Lebron now. Much more than people regret not picking it up at release.

[Dnic]

Well let's see some silver non-numbered or something like this #/10....yah I'm buying the 10 lol and I paid less then $900 for it



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[GeechQuest]

Well let's see some silver non-numbered or something like this #/10....yah I'm buying the 10 lol and I paid less then $900 for it



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But the majority would rather have an iconic card vs. just having a low numbered parallel.

FWIW I'd prefer your card as well, but there is a far greater demand for the Silver Prizm. Thus, you are able to scoop your card up for less than a 2012 Silver Prizm, but unless the 18/19 Gold Contenders catch on you won't see the appreciation that the 2012 Silver Prizm has seen.

[27426]

Only people supporting this are the ones who have them and are trying to sell them, hope for your sake they sell fast once the sheep buy them you will probably get stuck with them lol. 2012 gold if they had one I can see that selling for a high price hell any gold Lebron for that matter but some silver smh sheep will be sheep I guess :doh::D

Not true. I don't have one and I'd rather have the 2012 Prizm Silver over the Topps Chrome RC (Feel free to PM me if someone wants to trade a Gem Mint copy for a Topps Chrome RC PSA 10).

[pcptrade]

Well let's see some silver non-numbered or something like this #/10....yah I'm buying the 10 lol and I paid less then $900 for it



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Not sure about the 2012 Prizm with Lebron in Miami Heat uniform, but if I were to make a bet, it would 2018-19 Contenders Gold/10, Cracked Ice/25 and 2018-19 Optic Gold Prizm/10, all of which have Lebron in Lakers jersey. I think these will be appreciate more in the long run after his rookie cards because they are his first cards in Lakers jersey. Please PM if anyone has 2018-19 Optic Gold for sale. Curious to know what everyone thinks of his 2018 Kaboom Gold/10

[KhalDrogo]

Prizm is Prizm is Prizm. Contenders is not Prizm. Let me know when Prizm is no longer the hottest set released each year. It has the largest collector base, and it’s not even close.

The 2012 and 2013 silvers were long overdue for a bump in price. I think current pricing is fair. Not seeing what I would consider deals anymore. The later stuff is overpriced based on print run. But there’s been a huge rush the past couple of months, so that kind of reaction is expected.

To be transparent, I own a 2012 Curry silver, 2013 Curry blue and orange, and 2013 Lebron green and RWB.

[pcptrade]

Prizm is Prizm is Prizm. Contenders is not Prizm. Let me know when Prizm is no longer the hottest set released each year. It has the largest collector base, and it’s not even close.

The 2012 and 2013 silvers were long overdue for a bump in price. I think current pricing is fair. Not seeing what I would consider deals anymore. The later stuff is overpriced based on print run. But there’s been a huge rush the past couple of months, so that kind of reaction is expected.

To be transparent, I own a 2012 Curry silver, 2013 Curry blue and orange, and 2013 Lebron green and RWB.

I am in no way saying Prizm is not desirable. I am just saying that 2018-19 Contenders Gold/10, Cracked Ice/25 and Optic Gold Prizm/10 will be considered as some of Lebron's first cards in Lakers Jersey and hence will be more desirable among the collectors from west coast. I own most of Lebrons rookie cards. I also own 2018-19 Contenders Cracked Ice and 2018-19 Optic Choice Red Prizm/88. I am looking to add Contenders Gold/10 and Optic Gold Prizm/10 to my PC.

EDIT: If I were to choose between 2018-19 Contenders Gold/10 and Optic prizm Gold/10, my bet would be on the Optic Gold Prizm/10

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7874/47386879961_c77c1e1959_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fcq9tK)2018-19 Lebron James Optic Choice Red Prizm/88 (https://flic.kr/p/2fcq9tK) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr


I DO NOT OWN THE GOLD PRIZM/10

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4811/33510757768_7cf1e0ea99_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T4eoME)Lebron 2018 Optic Gold (https://flic.kr/p/T4eoME) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

[unscarredrx7]

Will we see a rise in the 2013 red white and blue? These are so low right now....

[goldkobe]

But the majority would rather have an iconic card vs. just having a low numbered parallel.



very well said, for many collectors, 2012 Primz is iconic being the first year Primz, gold are only numbered to 10 and most of them are locked in PC already, so it make sense for silver to bump

[pcptrade]

very well said, for many collectors, 2012 Primz is iconic being the first year Primz, gold are only numbered to 10 and most of them are locked in PC already, so it make sense for silver to bump

One could also argue that Contenders Gold/10 and Optic Gold Prizm/10 are first year cards of Lebron in Lakers Jersey. I think both 2012 Prizm and 2018-19 Contenders and Optic low numbered parallels have room to grow imo

[goldkobe]

One could also argue that Contenders Gold/10 and Optic Gold Prizm/10 are first year cards of Lebron in Lakers Jersey. I think both 2012 Prizm and 2018-19 Contenders and Optic low numbered parallels have room to grow imo

2012 Prizm for sure, but I am not too sure about the 2018 Optic and Contenders, they don't seems to get as much love as Prizm. I think Prizm is like Topps Chrome, Optic is like finest and Contenders are like bowman ?

I like your display pic by the way, nice painting

[pcptrade]

2012 Prizm for sure, but I am not too sure about the 2018 Optic and Contenders, they don't seems to get as much love as Prizm. I think Prizm is like Topps Chrome, Optic is like finest and Contenders are like bowman ?

I like your display pic by the way, nice painting

Among his 2018-19 cards in Lakers Jersey, my bet would be on his Optic Prizm low numbered parallels. I uploaded some pictures in my post above

[Ultimatewarrick]

Will we see a rise in the 2013 red white and blue? These are so low right now....

i have one but for some reason that set does not seem to be doing well at all. more produced than the others i guess?

[DajuanWagner]

Prizm is Prizm is Prizm. Contenders is not Prizm. Let me know when Prizm is no longer the hottest set released each year. It has the largest collector base, and it’s not even close.

The 2012 and 2013 silvers were long overdue for a bump in price. I think current pricing is fair. Not seeing what I would consider deals anymore. The later stuff is overpriced based on print run. But there’s been a huge rush the past couple of months, so that kind of reaction is expected.

To be transparent, I own a 2012 Curry silver, 2013 Curry blue and orange, and 2013 Lebron green and RWB.



Full disclosure, I think 2012 Prizm Dirk silvers are underpriced...…….................ready, and go for it in 3, 2, 1...………..

[Orangejello727]

FWIW, the Silvers I have sold recently have been to collectors who are buying them to fulfill their collections. Up until now, they have never put any effort into filling the gap of 2012 silver prizm for their collections. Now that they are taken off and many want to obtain them, they are willing to pay a premium to get them for their collection.

Now that these lebron silvers have hit this price, do you see ebay being flooded with hundreds of 2012 lebron silver auction? I dont. But I do see a ton of Lebron Chrome rookies for sale everywhere. I mean a ton of them. Why is that?

[DajuanWagner]

FWIW, the Silvers I have sold recently have been to collectors who are buying them to fulfill their collections. Up until now, they have never put any effort into filling the gap of 2012 silver prizm for their collections. Now that they are taken off and many want to obtain them, they are willing to pay a premium to get them for their collection.

Now that these lebron silvers have hit this price, do you see ebay being flooded with hundreds of 2012 lebron silver auction? I dont. But I do see a ton of Lebron Chrome rookies for sale everywhere. I mean a ton of them. Why is that?




"hundreds of 2012 LeBron silver auctions"???? Aren't there only 180 of the 2012 Lebron silver's in existance????? If that's the case, then, no I don't see ebay being flooded with hundreds of 2012 Lebron silver auctions...……...

[dasiegel]

thanks to this recent hype i may have to stop at mom and dad's and see what's in the old boxes

[KhalDrogo]

"hundreds of 2012 LeBron silver auctions"???? Aren't there only 180 of the 2012 Lebron silver's in existance????? If that's the case, then, no I don't see ebay being flooded with hundreds of 2012 Lebron silver auctions...……...
That was his point. That people questioning the low print run are wrong. If there were hundreds or thousands of them, the market would be flooded with them right now.

[thekiddfan]

Exactly.
As said b4...i opened at least 18-19 cases of 1213 prizm and i only pulled 1 miserable lebron silver. One..

[gomiamigo]

All aboard the hype train! Choo-choooo!!

[pcptrade]

I want to do a fun experiment here and see the results 5-10 years out. It will cost one approximately $900 to acquire a raw 2012 Prizm Silver. Lets say someone like me is investing the same money (approx $900) in the following raw cards instead of 2012 Prizm silver-

1. 2018-19 Contenders Cracked Ice: $200

2. 2018-19 Optic Black Velocity/39: $300

3. 2018-19 Optic Choice Red Prizm Refractor/88: $90

4. 2018-19 Optic Red Prizm Refractor/99: $70

5. 2018-19 Optic Checkerboard Prizm SSP :$140

6. 2018-19 Optic Blue Prizm/49: $80


Lets revisit this in 5-10 years and see the ROI on Prizm Silver vs above cards for $900

What I am trying to see is which option offers better ROI at CURRENT prices.

[Orangejello727]

I want to do a fun experiment here and see the results 5-10 years out. It will cost one approximately $900 to acquire a raw 2012 Prizm Silver. Lets say someone like me is investing the same money (approx $900) in the following raw cards instead of 2012 Prizm silver-

1. 2018-19 Contenders Cracked Ice: $200

2. 2018-19 Optic Black Velocity/39: $300

3. 2018-19 Optic Choice Red Prizm Refractor/88: $90

4. 2018-19 Optic Red Prizm Refractor/99: $70

5. 2018-19 Optic Checkerboard Prizm SSP :$140

6. 2018-19 Optic Blue Prizm/49: $80


Lets revisit this in 5-10 years and see the ROI on Prizm Silver vs above cards for $900

What I am trying to see is which option offers better ROI at CURRENT prices.

You are totally missing the point here as to who is paying for these cards. That was the point I was making in my post. The guy that bought my silvers at what I thought was a great price did so because he truly wanted certain cards from the first year of prizm which he feels is very limited. He didnt buy them to see if he could get a large ROI or to see if he could profit in long run. He bought them from me and paid a premium because he felt the need to fulfill his objective of collecting this set.

Who are we to say whats a good buy or a bad buy when someone values their own objectives the way they want. They might fit your agenda, but it surely fulfills whatever objective they have and they are willing to pay to do so.

[GeechQuest]

You are totally missing the point here as to who is paying for these cards. That was the point I was making in my post. The guy that bought my silvers at what I thought was a great price did so because he truly wanted certain cards from the first year of prizm which he feels is very limited. He didnt buy them to see if he could get a large ROI or to see if he could profit in long run. He bought them from me and paid a premium because he felt the need to fulfill his objective of collecting this set.

Who are we to say whats a good buy or a bad buy when someone values their own objectives the way they want. They might fit your agenda, but it surely fulfills whatever objective they have and they are willing to pay to do so.

Agreed. Set chasers are the ones who drive tons of these prices. When I build a set I'm willing to pay almost anything to complete it.

Flippers are just searching for the sets that set builders want to make. They're just playing the middle-man and eeking out whatever profit they can.

That is why these have jumped, only so many sets to be made plus you have all the other guys not building the set but PC'ing the players making it that much harder.

[unscarredrx7]

I bet the number of watchers goes up on the 3 available ones....

[pcptrade]

You are totally missing the point here as to who is paying for these cards. That was the point I was making in my post. The guy that bought my silvers at what I thought was a great price did so because he truly wanted certain cards from the first year of prizm which he feels is very limited. He didnt buy them to see if he could get a large ROI or to see if he could profit in long run. He bought them from me and paid a premium because he felt the need to fulfill his objective of collecting this set.

Who are we to say whats a good buy or a bad buy when someone values their own objectives the way they want. They might fit your agenda, but it surely fulfills whatever objective they have and they are willing to pay to do so.


I know what you are saying. I rarely collect non rookie cards. My experiment was in response to few other members comments. Again, as I mentioned before, it's a fun experiment. I might buy a silver prizm as well for $900-1000 as a part of this experiment. It's like a research study with two arms. I would love to see the results in 5-10 years.

[dantheman514]

I would add that the premium being placed on 2018-19 with Lebron in a Lakers jersey may not last depending how his remaining time there goes. I think it is a false assumption to think that just because these are his first cards in a Lakers uniform that they will hold a long term premium. If his future years in LA go as badly as this year or worse he gets hurt or his play declines drastically, will collectors want Lebron cards in a Lakers jersey? I would think the premium would be gone. Just ask yourself, is there a premium for Jordan cards in a Wizards jersey? I understand that Washington and LA are vastly different organizations, but there is no Jordan/Wizards premium because he didn't do anything special there. Now, if Lebron stays in LA (rumors are swirling that the Lakers thought about trading him) and they become a great team (maybe win a title), then I would agree that there will be a long term premium for Lebron's first Lakers cards.

[GeechQuest]

Trust me, I know what you are saying. I rarely collect non rookie cards. My experiment was in response to few other members comments. Again, as I mentioned before, it's a fun experiment.

You'd probably end up losing out because the likelihood that ALL those cards increase in value and are desirable down the line is slim.

[pcptrade]

You'd probably end up losing out because the likelihood that ALL those cards increase in value and are desirable down the line is slim.

Yes, I understand the risk. Let's see how this pans out:D

EDIT: Worst case scenario, the cards will stay in my Lebron PC

[pcptrade]

I want to do a fun experiment here and see the results 5-10 years out. It will cost one approximately $900 to acquire a raw 2012 Prizm Silver. Lets say someone like me is investing the same money (approx $900) in the following raw cards instead of 2012 Prizm silver-

1. 2018-19 Contenders Cracked Ice: $200

2. 2018-19 Optic Black Velocity/39: $300

3. 2018-19 Optic Choice Red Prizm Refractor/88: $90

4. 2018-19 Optic Red Prizm Refractor/99: $70

5. 2018-19 Optic Checkerboard Prizm SSP :$140

6. 2018-19 Optic Blue Prizm/49: $80


Lets revisit this in 5-10 years and see the ROI on Prizm Silver vs above cards for $900

What I am trying to see is which option offers better ROI at CURRENT prices.


I know what you are saying. I rarely collect non rookie cards. My experiment was in response to few other members comments. Again, as I mentioned before, it's a fun experiment. I might buy a silver prizm as well for $900-1000 as a part of this experiment. It's like a research study with two arms. I would love to see the results in 5-10 years.

Call me crazy, I went ahead and bought the 2012 Silver prizm BGS 9 for $900. The experiment has officially begun!

[unscarredrx7]

Call me crazy, I went ahead and bought the 2012 Silver prizm BGS 9 for $900. The experiment has officially begun!

Howdja get it best offer? 😁

[pcptrade]

Howdja get it best offer? 😁

I negotiated with the seller here at BO;)

[unscarredrx7]

I negotiated with the seller here at BO;)

Alright!!! Congrats killer card!

[pcptrade]

Alright!!! Congrats killer card!

Thanks. I had to get it for $900 for the sake of the experiment, $900 in both groups/arms (2018-19 Contenders/optic and 2012-13 Silver prizm):D

[the27guy]

Thanks. I had to get it for $900 for the sake of the experiment, $900 in both groups/arms (2018-19 Contenders/optic and 2012-13 Silver prizm):D

I’d love to hear the specifics of this experiment. How long you plan on holding, etc.

You could do a poll to commemorate it too.

I can see it now - “which of these will be more valuable in 3 years?”

Then, state your case and bump the thread it in 3 years (or whatever time period you choose) and see how far off everyone was.

Stuff like that is fun and allows us to crystallize our predictions.

[BC81]

We will bump this post in 5-10 years when we realize 2012 prizm silvers are the next hot set to collect.


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[pcptrade]

I’d love to hear the specifics of this experiment. How long you plan on holding, etc.

You could do a poll to commemorate it too.

I can see it now - “which of these will be more valuable in 3 years?”

Then, state your case and bump the thread it in 3 years (or whatever time period you choose) and see how far off everyone was.

Stuff like that is fun and allows us to crystallize our predictions.


BACKGROUND: Low numbered parallels of first year cards are iconic. Recent spike in 2012-13 LeBron silver prizm prices has created a lot of buzz.

AIM/OBJECTIVE: Which one will appreciate more at current prizes. Low numbered 2018-19 LeBron contenders/optic cards (first year LeBron cards in Lakers jersey) vs LeBron 2012-13 Silver prizm #1 (First year of Prizm).

METHODS: Two groups, each group consisting of $900 worth of cards

Group I: LeBron 2012-13 Silver Prizm BGS 9 ($900)

Group II: consists of the following cards

1. 2018-19 Contenders Cracked Ice: $200

2. 2018-19 Optic Black Velocity/39: $300

3. 2018-19 Optic Choice Red Prizm Refractor/88: $90

4. 2018-19 Optic Red Prizm Refractor/99: $70

5. 2018-19 Optic Checkerboard Prizm SSP :$140

6. 2018-19 Optic Blue Prizm/49: $80

Revisit at 5 yrs and 10 yrs to see which group offers better ROI

[KhalDrogo]

You’re going to grade group 2 though, so tough comparison.

[the27guy]

BACKGROUND: Low numbered parallels of first year cards are iconic. Recent spike in 2012-13 LeBron silver prizm prices has created a lot of buzz.

AIM/OBJECTIVE: Which one will appreciate more at current prizes. Low numbered 2018-19 LeBron contenders/optic cards (first year LeBron cards in Lakers jersey) vs LeBron 2012-13 Silver prizm #1 (First year of Prizm).

METHODS: Two groups, each group consisting of $900 worth of cards

Group I: LeBron 2012-13 Silver Prizm BGS 9 ($900)

Group II: consists of the following cards

1. 2018-19 Contenders Cracked Ice: $200

2. 2018-19 Optic Black Velocity/39: $300

3. 2018-19 Optic Choice Red Prizm Refractor/88: $90

4. 2018-19 Optic Red Prizm Refractor/99: $70

5. 2018-19 Optic Checkerboard Prizm SSP :$140

6. 2018-19 Optic Blue Prizm/49: $80

Revisit at 5 yrs and 10 yrs to see which group offers better ROI

I love this. Good work. I hope you have it in you to hold until 5 and 10 years. If we're all being honest, very few of us are able to hold stuff for that long.

Khaldrogo's point is interesting in terms of grading. It adds a variable to the equation and cost as well. But you can still figure out what your IRR is on a slightly higher dollar amount.

I'm obviously biased in that I own a 2012 Prizm. But, that's my pick. It's not close, imo. However, if he wins a championship in LA, that changes real fast, lol.

[pcptrade]

You’re going to grade group 2 though, so tough comparison.

Yes, unfortunately, I couldn't find a raw silver prizm for $900. That would have eliminated the bias. Hopefully,most cards in group II will come back as BGS 9 so that both groups are pretty comparable.

[LincecumPC]

To give everyone another data point, I sold my BGS 9 Lebron 12-13 silver for $725 offline a couple weeks ago.

[goldkobe]

The Raw Kobe 2012 primz USA silver refractor just sold for $400 off eBay

[unscarredrx7]

The Raw Kobe 2012 primz USA silver refractor just sold for $400 off eBay

I bought it!!

[Mrpokey]

Even the Greens are moving up, a 2012-13 Green Prizm of Lebron just went for $500

[mr10pin]

Even the Greens are moving up, a 2012-13 Green Prizm of Lebron just went for $500

I've said this before, and I'll say it again...I put that Green set together and was going to just put it away for about 10 years, but ended up selling it in late 2017. While I made out pretty well from an investment standpoint, I think I'm going to wish I had kept it. I'd guess the Greens have about 1/2 the print run of the silvers from 12-13.

[goldkobe]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again...I put that Green set together and was going to just put it away for about 10 years, but ended up selling it in late 2017. While I made out pretty well from an investment standpoint, I think I'm going to wish I had kept it. I'd guess the Greens have about 1/2 the print run of the silvers from 12-13.

Shouldn’t the green sells more as they are more rare than the silver ?

[mr10pin]

Shouldn’t the green sells more as they are more rare than the silver ?

They did for a little while, but the Silvers surpassed them a few years back. It is very likely due to the retail only nature of the Green.

[KhalDrogo]

Greens aren’t as attractive. But until a few months ago, the disparity between Silver and Green was absurd. I think Green is becoming more appropriately valued now as people realize how rare they are.

[pcptrade]

Shouldn’t the green sells more as they are more rare than the silver ?

Greens aren’t as attractive. But until a few months ago, the disparity between Silver and Green was absurd. I think Green is becoming more appropriately valued now as people realize how rare they are.

Yes, the print run of green is less than that of silver. Perhaps the reason why greens sell for less compared to Silver is the eye appeal as suggested by khal. Imagine if they were black or red border instead of whole green and a lower print run than silver prizms.

[unscarredrx7]

Print run on USA silver prizms? Anyone got a ballpark figure? Like 125?? Just making a wild guess..

[KhalDrogo]

Print run on USA silver prizms? Anyone got a ballpark figure? Like 125?? Just making a wild guess..
60

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=446293

[unscarredrx7]

60

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=446293

Oh sweet wow....

[Mrpokey]

I believe at some point the Greens will at least be even with the Silvers in price if not more. With a print run in the 90 range you just don't see them pop up as often.

[pcptrade]

Print run on USA silver prizms? Anyone got a ballpark figure? Like 125?? Just making a wild guess..

60

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=446293

BGS pop report shows a total of 50, PSA pop report shows a total of 10 and 8 raw silver prizms were sold in the past 3 months according to watchcount. One raw silver prizm is curently on sale at ebay. So even if you factor in re-submissions and crossovers, the total print run is definitely more than 60 imo. I would lean towards 125-150

[tjforce]

BGS pop report shows a total of 50, PSA pop report shows a total of 10 and 8 raw silver prizms were sold in the past 3 months according to watchcount. One raw silver prizm is curently on sale at ebay. So even if you factor in re-submissions and crossovers, the total print run is definitely more than 60 imo. I would lean towards 125-150

Are you sure those weren't base?

I only count 1 Silver sold on ebay's completed auctions in the last 3 months.

[pcptrade]

Are you sure those weren't base?

I only count 1 Silver sold on ebay's completed auctions in the last 3 months.

Here it is. They all sold for >$400 except one which shows as $175. Base does not sell for that much

http://www.watchcount.com/completed.php?bkw=lebron+2012+prizm+silver&bcat=0&bcts=&sfsb=Show+Me%21&csbin=all&cssrt=ts&bslr=&bnp=&bxp=#serp

[tjforce]

Here it is. They all sold for >$400 except one which shows as $175. Base does not sell for that much

http://www.watchcount.com/completed.php?bkw=lebron+2012+prizm+silver&bcat=0&bcts=&sfsb=Show+Me%21&csbin=all&cssrt=ts&bslr=&bnp=&bxp=#serp

I only see 1 USA Silver in that link.

What am I missing?

[KhalDrogo]

Lebron USA silver PSA pop is 4 (all 9s).

Lebron USA silver BGS pop is 30.

PWCC shows 8 silvers sold in the last two years.

[pcptrade]

I only see 1 USA Silver in that link.

What am I missing?

Lebron USA silver PSA pop is 4 (all 9s).

Lebron USA silver BGS pop is 30.

PWCC shows 8 silvers sold in the last two years.

My fault, I was referring to 2012-13 panini prizm silver #1, not the USA silver

[pcptrade]

UPDATED Group II with current prices paid and included one more card (2018 Optic Silver Prizm Holo Refractor). Total price in Group I is $900 and Group II is $863

BACKGROUND: Low numbered parallels of first year cards are iconic. Recent spike in 2012-13 LeBron silver prizm prices has created a lot of buzz.

AIM/OBJECTIVE: Which one will appreciate more at current prizes. Low numbered 2018-19 LeBron contenders/optic cards (first year LeBron cards in Lakers jersey) vs LeBron 2012-13 Silver prizm #1 (First year of Prizm).

METHODS: Two groups, each group consisting of $900 and $863 worth of cards

Group I: LeBron 2012-13 Silver Prizm BGS 9 ($900)

Group II: consists of the following cards (Total $863)

1. 2018-19 Contenders Cracked Ice: $200

2. 2018-19 Optic Black Velocity/39: $260 (previously #300)

3. 2018-19 Optic Choice Red Prizm Refractor/88: $90

4. 2018-19 Optic Red Prizm Refractor/99: $70

5. 2018-19 Optic Checkerboard Prizm SSP :$140

6. 2018-19 Optic Blue Prizm/49: $80

7. 2018-19 Optic Silver Prizm Holo Refractor: $23

Revisit at 5 yrs and 10 yrs to see which group offers better ROI. I don't have to hold the cards to see the results. We can see how much these cards are selling for in 3yrs, 5yrs and 10 yrs. Grading costs and grading results in group II will lead to some bias but prices paid is what matters. The cards in group II were bought as NRMT to Mint and prices reflect that.


Here are the photos

Group I:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7859/47398689441_ceededf410_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fdsF2t)Lebron 2012-13 Silver Prizm #1 BGS 9 (https://flic.kr/p/2fdsF2t) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

GROUP II

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7831/47342962282_a5927bcf91_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2f8x4ho)LEBRON JAMES 2018-19 PANINI CONTENDERS CRACKED ICE (https://flic.kr/p/2f8x4ho) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7899/47398661261_d5100ecc2e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fdswDB)2018-19 Lebron Optic Black Velocity #12 of 39 (https://flic.kr/p/2fdswDB) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7874/47386879961_c77c1e1959_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fcq9tK)2018-19 Lebron James Optic Choice Red Prizm/88 (https://flic.kr/p/2fcq9tK) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7861/46472488445_81f2b01157_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dNBDJM)2018-19 Lebron Optic Red Prizm Refractor #78 of 99 (https://flic.kr/p/2dNBDJM) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7814/32457029007_3fc58baba3_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Rs7KWp)2018-19 Lebron Optic Checkerboard Prizm (https://flic.kr/p/Rs7KWp) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7825/33512179448_aa0e9b1fd2_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T4mFpo)2018-19 Lebron Optic Blue Prizm #26 of 49 (https://flic.kr/p/T4mFpo) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7843/47345946922_005bd40437_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2f8NmvG)2018-19 Lebron Optic Silver Prizm Holo Refractor (https://flic.kr/p/2f8NmvG) by pcp trade (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/), on Flickr

[Mrpokey]

Nice looking cards!

[Mrpokey]

Yes, the print run of green is less than that of silver. Perhaps the reason why greens sell for less compared to Silver is the eye appeal as suggested by khal. Imagine if they were black or red border instead of whole green and a lower print run than silver prizms.

Red Borders exist kinda 2013-14 Prizm Target Exclusives. Not a low of a print run as 2012-13 but still very low compared to today

[deemsterz33]

Every once in a while a Lillard Silver Prizm will pop up with one of those after market sticker autos on it. They usually go for about $100. Think it would be worth it to buy one and try to remove the sticker?

[the27guy]

Just got an email that the psa 10 that was listed sold for $2300. That’s exactly what the last psa 10 sold for.




Only one left on ebay now.

[pcptrade]

Nice looking cards!

Thanks. What is your favorite?;)

Red Borders exist kinda 2013-14 Prizm Target Exclusives. Not a low of a print run as 2012-13 but still very low compared to today

Yes, but imagine a red or black border in 2012-13 Prizm #1 with a lower print number than Silvers. They would be selling for way more compared to the Silvers imo. The green prizms sell for less compared to the Silvers despite the lower print run due to lack of eye appeal. A red or black border would have made a difference in terms of eye appeal imo