Dwayne Haskins... FQB

[asujbl]

Dude just gets it...

@buckybrooks
Thoughts on @dh_simba7 Pro Day workout..
1. A+ arm talent
2. MLB pitcher with every pitch in the bag. Drive throws, touch, timing & anticipation.
3. Game/Arm talent fits old school systems

DH is the classic drop back passer who has dominated the league the past 30 years

Dwayne Haskins: “Before Baker got here, the Ohio State quarterback was the most famous person in Ohio.“

[Siberian13]

Maybe he can be the next Browns QB?

[asujbl]

Maybe he can be the next Browns QB?

I’d take him at #49

[twisty571]

I’d take him at #49

And bench/trade Baker? Or have Haskins ride the pine?

[asujbl]

And bench/trade Baker? Or have Haskins ride the pine?

Wait... what?

[pejc300]

I'll go on the record early and say "BUST."

[ntgm37]

I'll go on the record early and say "BUST."

Eh, I'll play too.

"HOF"

[mike1498]

The sitting duck era is ending. I’ll take a hard pass

[1dayshow]

It's hard for me to find a QB from OSU that has been successful in recent memory... or ever.

[tjforce]

It's hard for me to find a QB from OSU that has been successful in recent memory... or ever.

You trying to tell me that Tom “Two Point” Tupa wasn’t successful in the NFL?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jD0USMNRJeY/W09BYc6j23I/AAAAAAAAM44/f3fbfZr6GloqQ3arOi8ozjP7GP0SlaOVgCLcBGAs/s1600/7-18-18%2BTupa%2BHOF%2Bbrowns.jpg

[LC2nine10]

It's hard for me to find a QB from OSU that has been successful in recent memory... or ever.

Gaylord Stinchcomb
Won a championship and 2xAllPro


Names were difernt back then.

[Siberian13]

Gaylord Stinchcomb
Won a championship and 2xAllPro


Names were difernt back then.

The roaring twenties were the best years of life. :)

[Boo]

ASU blowing a QB from a team in Ohio, last time he did that it was Deshone Kizer. :coffee::coffee::coffee:

[ALBASKETBALL]

It's hard for me to find a QB from OSU that has been successful in recent memory... or ever.

Old take

Big 12 QB's were all a bust until Mahomes and Baker. Need to look at QB individually. Those guys are off to a pretty good start

Now, I do think Haskin will be an average QB in the league

[HeadstrongRSS]

He'll be better than that mini QB out there. Book it.

[WKUMICHIGANFAN]

He's the next Geno Smith / Cardale Jones IMO , I like Haskins but just can't support a Ohio State QB doing well in the pros , it just DOESN'T happen LOL

[bmc398]

He's the next Geno Smith / Cardale Jones IMO , I like Haskins but just can't support a Ohio State QB doing well in the pros , it just DOESN'T happen LOL

His talent set is not like the first 2 you brought up.

Yours is not an informed comment.

[bes04c9]

Urban Meyer QB's LOL. Homer much?

[WKUMICHIGANFAN]

His talent set is not like the first 2 you brought up.

Yours is not an informed comment.

To say his career path might mirror those 2 isn't a uninformed comment , it's called my opinion , I'm entitled to it , you can disagree , however don't act like a big shot without even having third grade level reading comprehension .....

[bmc398]

To say his career path might mirror those 2 isn't a uninformed comment , it's called my opinion , I'm entitled to it , you can disagree , however don't act like a big shot without even having third grade level reading comprehension .....

You said he's the next.... without giving any specifics. You compared him to two QBs most would consider mobile or even run first/run based kind of guys. One would then logically infer that you meant he would be a bust because he's a runner without much grasp for a pro style passing game.

You would be wrong.

Unless you'd like to explain the comparison....which I don't think you could. You think he'll be a bust...and that's fine. The arm talent and his intelligence say otherwise. You know....2 things that most top level NFL QBS have.....2 things that Geno Smith and Cardale Jones didn't have, hence why they were busts.

[WKUMICHIGANFAN]

You said he's the next.... without giving any specifics. You compared him to two QBs most would consider mobile or even run first/run based kind of guys. One would then logically infer that you meant he would be a bust because he's a runner without much grasp for a pro style passing game.

You would be wrong.

Unless you'd like to explain the comparison....which I don't think you could. You think he'll be a bust...and that's fine. The arm talent and his intelligence say otherwise. You know....2 things that most top level NFL QBS have.....2 things that Geno Smith and Cardale Jones didn't have, hence why they were busts.

YOU assumed something and wanna blame me about it???? OK you must be a younger person with zero ability to socialize , Don't put words in other people's mouths , they will say enough on their own. Jones has/had more arm strength and "arm" talent than anyone in the 2016 draft class , but he's terrible as a NFL QB , I like Geno Smith but he was pressed into duty to soon , then given little to work with. He's now at that point where he's done developing most likely and team's don't wanna mess with a guy almost 30 years old.

[WKUMICHIGANFAN]

BTW I used Geno because 2013 QB class was weak , he was drafted early , he started early , he was taken by a bad team in a large city , haskins has been linked to NY Giants so comparison is VERY fair , Jones was a OSU QB with elite arm strength so again VERY similar to Haskins but yeah they were both so "different" than Haskins and oh so very much more Run first too LOL yeah OK

[bmc398]

BTW I used Geno because 2013 QB class was weak , he was drafted early , he started early , he was taken by a bad team in a large city , haskins has been linked to NY Giants so comparison is VERY fair , Jones was a OSU QB with elite arm strength so again VERY similar to Haskins but yeah they were both so "different" than Haskins and oh so very much more Run first too LOL yeah OK

It's clear you're hurting yourself stretching here.

Outside of arm strength (which id argue that Haskins would beat out Jones), the rest of their games are not similar. Name 1 QB in the NFL who gets by on Arm talent alone. You can't....that's why guys like JOnes don't work out.

Haskins is nothing like that. I'm not an OSU fan but I take it from your name and your thoughts on him that you don't watch him play. That's fine...but don't pretend to know something about a guy when you clearly have no clue.

[WKUMICHIGANFAN]

It's clear you're hurting yourself stretching here.

Outside of arm strength (which id argue that Haskins would beat out Jones), the rest of their games are not similar. Name 1 QB in the NFL who gets by on Arm talent alone. You can't....that's why guys like JOnes don't work out.

Haskins is nothing like that. I'm not an OSU fan but I take it from your name and your thoughts on him that you don't watch him play. That's fine...but don't pretend to know something about a guy when you clearly have no clue.

Holy #@#@#@#@ you have some nerves dude , stop being a homer and see how he MIGHT fail , limited experience , he NEVER really had to play against even or better talent week to week since OSU is so much better than all but 2-3 schools , he's young , still very much a kid mentally and he even has baby fat still! Guy isn't the hardcore cold blooded killer like Baker was or Patty Mahomes , I COULD be wrong and hell I don't care if I am really , but you really ought to stop trying to do whatever it is you are doing

[twisty571]

Maybe he can be the next Browns QB?

I’d take him at #49

And bench/trade Baker? Or have Haskins ride the pine?

Wait... what?

Your having a hard time following your own conversations about this guy, like in the other thread when I stated what BB & the others were saying at the Pro-Day?

[bmc398]

Holy #@#@#@#@ you have some nerves dude , stop being a homer and see how he MIGHT fail , limited experience , he NEVER really had to play against even or better talent week to week since OSU is so much better than all but 2-3 schools , he's young , still very much a kid mentally and he even has baby fat still! Guy isn't the hardcore cold blooded killer like Baker was or Patty Mahomes , I COULD be wrong and hell I don't care if I am really , but you really ought to stop trying to do whatever it is you are doing

I'm not a homer. I stated before i'm not an OSU fan in the least. I'm actually a fan of their biggest legitimate rival. Obviously that's not Michigan.

I see a lot in his game though....much more so than the 2 guys you tried to compare him to and outside of Murray (not taking his size as a factor) he has the most pure QB talent out of anybody in the draft.

[CC71]

imo haskins is the most impressive qb prospect since andrew luck. someone, the dolphins, redskins, or broncos will trade up to the top 5 to get him

[Boo]

imo haskins is the most impressive qb prospect since andrew luck. someone, the dolphins, redskins, or broncos will trade up to the top 5 to get him

https://i.imgur.com/9ot41mT.gif

[silverandblack]

imo haskins is the most impressive qb prospect since andrew luck. someone, the dolphins, redskins, or broncos will trade up to the top 5 to get him

You can’t be serious.

[Boo]

You can’t be serious.

Someone may trade up to get him, that part I could see because teams are stupid.

[WKUMICHIGANFAN]

I'm not a homer. I stated before i'm not an OSU fan in the least. I'm actually a fan of their biggest legitimate rival. Obviously that's not Michigan.

I see a lot in his game though....much more so than the 2 guys you tried to compare him to and outside of Murray (not taking his size as a factor) he has the most pure QB talent out of anybody in the draft.

Please tickle my funny bone , your a fan of Penn State? OSU is so far ahead of the rest of college football minus a few teams that Haskins hasn't faced the kinda week to week things he'll face moving forward , I think he's talented , but I just just don't see a bright future again IMO , I don't foresee ANY 2019 QB doing well really.

[jubei777]

i'm just not feeling this year's QB crop in comparison to past years.

[Siberian13]

Only thing I’ve learned from this thread so far is that Haskins is about as good as Deshone Kizer. Bright future ahead.

[MIRRABB]

He was a phenomenal college QB and has high level NFL arm strength to go with his productivity. Seems like a good prospect to me.

[bmc398]

Please tickle my funny bone , your a fan of Penn State? OSU is so far ahead of the rest of college football minus a few teams that Haskins hasn't faced the kinda week to week things he'll face moving forward , I think he's talented , but I just just don't see a bright future again IMO , I don't foresee ANY 2019 QB doing well really.

No, i'm a fan of a team that actually beats Ohio State. 5-8 over the past 19 years. Not bad considering how everybody else has done against them.

[hairysasquatch]

No, i'm a fan of a team that actually beats Ohio State. 5-8 over the past 19 years. Not bad considering how everybody else has done against them.

I think he means Purduke. Selective stats, but OK. :rolleyes::)!

[hairysasquatch]

Would add that Haskins is a solid QB.

[palmetto7]

Blah...how many would have seen Brady on the radar two decades ago when the net barely existed? Thread over! Lol

[lambeauleap87]

He's the next Geno Smith / Cardale Jones IMO , I like Haskins but just can't support a Ohio State QB doing well in the pros , it just DOESN'T happen LOL

This would be a very lazy comparison, Smith and Jones are not even remotely similar to each other, and Haskins is even farther apart.

It's hard for me to find a QB from OSU that has been successful in recent memory... or ever.

Ohio State hasn't run a pro-style offense, for the last fifteen years or so, the emphasis has generally been on a dual threat QB (which rarely translates to sustained NFL success). JT Barrett, Braxton Miller, Troy Smith, Terrelle Pryor, etc. never really had the skill set an NFL QB would have like Haskins.

Urban Meyer QB's LOL. Homer much?

This would be a similar point to above with Ohio State, but Meyer has not historically favored pro-style QBs, so that would make sense. Alex Smith did come from the Meyer line, though.

[MFaulkCollector]

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There were a lot of guys who thought Winston was on the luck/manning level.

Haskins is a fine prospect. My concern would be a one year wonder type of thing. The writing was on the wall with Winston in year two; tons of mistakes and poor presence. I’ll never understand why top tier evaluators ignored that entire season basically. We don’t get to see year two from Haskins. For that reason I’ll pass, but the tools are there

[rman112]

It's clear you're hurting yourself stretching here.

Outside of arm strength (which id argue that Haskins would beat out Jones), the rest of their games are not similar. Name 1 QB in the NFL who gets by on Arm talent alone. You can't....that's why guys like JOnes don't work out.

Haskins is nothing like that. I'm not an OSU fan but I take it from your name and your thoughts on him that you don't watch him play. That's fine...but don't pretend to know something about a guy when you clearly have no clue.

Stronger arm than Cardale? Idk about that.

[BOboy]

That 40 time scares me. They would have to build the NE offense around him, short passes to guys that get open quickly. Not many statues make it in the NFL anymore, Brady is kind of the last of the Mohicans. OSU is my favorite team.

[bmc398]

I think he means Purduke. Selective stats, but OK. :rolleyes::)!

Selective stats? Record over OSU the past 20 years isn't that selective.

A few more wins and they'll have to move the Purdue vs. OSU game to the last week of the season to add more drama.

[asujbl]

That 40 time scares me. They would have to build the NE offense around him, short passes to guys that get open quickly. Not many statues make it in the NFL anymore, Brady is kind of the last of the Mohicans. OSU is my favorite team.

So if he ran a 4.87 like Sam Darnold you’d be cool with it? Or a 4.85 like Baker?

That .15 seconds is pretty scary.

[WKUMICHIGANFAN]

Selective stats? Record over OSU the past 20 years isn't that selective.

A few more wins and they'll have to move the Purdue vs. OSU game to the last week of the season to add more drama.

When you have to brag about being 300% against an opponent your school is irrelevant

[BOboy]

So if he ran a 4.87 like Sam Darnold you’d be cool with it? Or a 4.85 like Baker?

That .15 seconds is pretty scary.

Combine was over 5.

[majestik101]

Dwayne Haskins is Jameis 2.0

Playing style is similar. Take that as you will.

Leave the snide jokes about Jameis' other issues out of it please.

As for who goes #1, Kyler Murray will get drafted by Arizona, eventually get pummeled to kingdom come due to that sorry O-Line they have there.

If I'm a GM I'm definitely overlooking those two and setting my sights on Drew Lock but what do I know. :coffee:

[MFaulkCollector]

Dwayne Haskins is Jameis 2.0

Playing style is similar. Take that as you will.

Leave the snide jokes about Jameis' other issues out of it please.

As for who goes #1, Kyler Murray will get drafted by Arizona, eventually get pummeled to kingdom come due to that sorry O-Line they have there.

If I'm a GM I'm definitely overlooking those two and setting my sights on Drew Lock but what do I know. :coffee:

I agree.... and from a prospect standpoint moving forward I would take both Haskins and Jameis over Murray. I’m not sold on Lock either. I don’t know what next year holds but if I was taking a qb this year it would be outside the first round. Nobody worth the risk in my opinion

[bmc398]

Dwayne Haskins is Jameis 2.0

Playing style is similar. Take that as you will.

Leave the snide jokes about Jameis' other issues out of it please.

As for who goes #1, Kyler Murray will get drafted by Arizona, eventually get pummeled to kingdom come due to that sorry O-Line they have there.

If I'm a GM I'm definitely overlooking those two and setting my sights on Drew Lock but what do I know. :coffee:

If Jameis weren't an idiot, he would be a top 10 QB.

If Jameis was halfway intelligent he wouldn't have the off the field issues that he has and would be highly regarded.

Jameis' mental make up has a lot to do with his lack of success thus far in the league.

Haskins seems to me at least to be far more intelligent and less apt to screw up.

[majestik101]

If Jameis weren't an idiot, he would be a top 10 QB.

If Jameis was halfway intelligent he wouldn't have the off the field issues that he has and would be highly regarded.

Jameis' mental make up has a lot to do with his lack of success thus far in the league.

Haskins seems to me at least to be far more intelligent and less apt to screw up.

I won't spend much energy defending Jameis for his off the field stuff because frankly he put himself in his predicament and has worked hard to get out of it.... but.... people forget, he did have an outstanding rookie year and was in the rookie of the year discussion. In hindsight he probably should've won ROY instead of Gurley. But I digress...

The main problem with Jameis ongoing development is that his head coach should've never been a head coach in the first place. Koetter as good an OC as he is was thrown into the HC job as soon as the Bucs fired Lovie Smith. He was ill-equipped for such a job. So I put a lot of Jameis' shortcomings on that coaching staff they put in charge. Also, no running game on that team places unnecessary pressure on Jameis to make throws when he shouldn't have. I'd say that some but not all of Jameis' shortcomings so far can be pinned on his abilities, I'd say a lot of it can be attributed to the team/coaching staff they placed around him. I believe that this is a new beginning for him. Considering he just turned 25 years old, he still has a career ahead of him in the NFL.


edit: sorry for hijacking the thread, lol

[lambeauleap87]

Dwayne Haskins is Jameis 2.0

Playing style is similar. Take that as you will.

Leave the snide jokes about Jameis' other issues out of it please.

As for who goes #1, Kyler Murray will get drafted by Arizona, eventually get pummeled to kingdom come due to that sorry O-Line they have there.

If I'm a GM I'm definitely overlooking those two and setting my sights on Drew Lock but what do I know. :coffee:

I saw a Joe Flacco comparison for Haskins recently, and I think that's one that stacks up well.

[BOboy]

I will be interested to see how Haskins does without a clean pocket. It's interesting you really don't see good NFL QBs from OSU or Alabama for that matter, who typically have the best OLs. I guess playing with no pressure in the passing game and a good running game might stunt their growth.

[trask7]

Here are some stats in no particular order. They are Andrew Luck, Sam Bradford, Dwyane Haskins, Jamarcuss Russell, Mark Sanches, Tim Teabow, Matt Leinart, Kellen Moore and Colt McCoy. I liked watching most of these guys but only a few could make the transition to the NFL. The biggest knocks I have heard about is Haskins experience, not playing under center and down field accuracy. I wish him well but its hard to make it.

Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
QB 13 232 342 67.8 3129 9.1 9.7 28 8 167.0
QB 14 373 533 70.0 4831 9.1 10.3 50 8 174.1
QB 13 241 366 65.8 3207 8.8 9.4 34 10 164.6
QB 13 234 350 66.9 3286 9.4 10.4 32 6 172.5
QB 13 291 402 72.4 4293 10.7 11.8 37 6 189.5
QB 13 288 404 71.3 3517 8.7 9.4 37 10 169.7
QB 14 328 483 67.9 4720 9.8 11.1 50 8 180.8
QB 13 326 439 74.3 3800 8.7 9.7 43 9 175.
QB 13 332 433 76.7 3859 8.9 9.7 34 8 173.

[asujbl]

Combine was over 5.

5.02

.17

My bad. He probably should be a UDFA

[Antoniow11]

He will be the next Big Ben ! Not the QB ,the clock

[asujbl]

He will be the next Big Ben ! Not the QB ,the clock

Woof

0 out of 10 and may god have mercy on your soul

[MFaulkCollector]

I will be interested to see how Haskins does without a clean pocket. It's interesting you really don't see good NFL QBs from OSU or Alabama for that matter, who typically have the best OLs. I guess playing with no pressure in the passing game and a good running game might stunt their growth.

There’s not a steady stream of “good” nfl qbs coming out of anywhere in particular. For the last 20 years or so

Rodgers.... cal
Brady... Michigan
Wilson ... nc state/Wisconsin
Manning.... Tennessee
Ryan.... Boston college
Ben... Miami Ohio
Mahomes... Texas tech
Luck.... Stanford
Brees.... Purdue
Carson Palmer.... usc
Stafford.... Georgia
Rivers... nc state
Eli Manning.... Mississippi
Flacco.... Delaware
Newton.... auburn
McNabb.... Syracuse
Pennington.... Marshall
Vick..... Virginia tech

Unless I’m missing some great pipeline Wilson and rivers from nc state is the only duplicate school with a “good” qb i can think of in the last 20 years

Individuals make good nfl qbs.... not systems or surroundings. There are only so many guys with that special combination of talent/presence/determination that
can succeed at the highest level for any sustained period of time. It’s about the player, not the school

[BOboy]

I just want to be clear, Ohio State is my favorite team and have been watching them for 50 years, I'm not a hater.

We are talking about the two top colleges over the last 25 years, who have their pick of quarterbacks and often get the top quarterback, it doesn't make sense that some of these guys haven't panned out in the NFL.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/18/top-25-college-football-programs-of-the-last-25-years/

I really do believe that their supporting cast is a big reason, it's like they are playing the game on easy mode while the other guys are playing the game on a higher difficulty level, like a video game. Then they are being compared to each other as if they are playing on the same difficulty level. The guys playing on easy mode are not really improving while the guys playing at a higher difficulty level have to improve or sink.

I would love to see Haskins succeed but have seen this story to many times and believe there is something to what I'm saying.

[CC71]

I would love to see Haskins succeed but have seen this story to many times and believe there is something to what I'm saying.

no previous ohio state quarterback was a first round selection. nobody expected them to become all pro's in the NFL. Haskins is the first osu qb that will be taken in the 1st round and will have these expectations. you can't compare Haskins to JT Barrett

[asujbl]

no previous ohio state quarterback was a first round selection. nobody expected them to become all pro's in the NFL. Haskins is the first osu qb that will be taken in the 1st round and will have these expectations. you can't compare Haskins to JT Barrett

Don’t tell that to Art Schlieter

[asujbl]

I just want to be clear, Ohio State is my favorite team and have been watching them for 50 years, I'm not a hater.

We are talking about the two top colleges over the last 25 years, who have their pick of quarterbacks and often get the top quarterback, it doesn't make sense that some of these guys haven't panned out in the NFL.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/05/18/top-25-college-football-programs-of-the-last-25-years/

I really do believe that their supporting cast is a big reason, it's like they are playing the game on easy mode while the other guys are playing the game on a higher difficulty level, like a video game. Then they are being compared to each other as if they are playing on the same difficulty level. The guys playing on easy mode are not really improving while the guys playing at a higher difficulty level have to improve or sink.

I would love to see Haskins succeed but have seen this story to many times and believe there is something to what I'm saying.

Or maybe it’s because those college coaches coach to win college games?

Would be a crazy concept

Maybe Urban Meyer played Miller and Barrett for a reason... and it wasn’t to groom them just for the NFL... when no one had illusions they would be starting NFL QB’s

Haskins just happens to be the first Pro Style QB in a while (Cardale I suppose)

I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that Justin Fields becomes an NFL QB because of Ryan Day.

And Tate Martell won’t be... because that’s not why Urban wanted him

It’s not program driven. It’s scheme and Coach driven quite a bit of the time.

[MFaulkCollector]

Or maybe it’s because those college coaches coach to win college games?

Would be a crazy concept

Maybe Urban Meyer played Miller and Barrett for a reason... and it wasn’t to groom them just for the NFL... when no one had illusions they would be starting NFL QB’s

Haskins just happens to be the first Pro Style QB in a while (Cardale I suppose)

I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that Justin Fields becomes an NFL QB because of Ryan Day.

And Tate Martell won’t be... because that’s not why Urban wanted him

It’s not program driven. It’s scheme and Coach driven quite a bit of the time.

urban meyer told his recruiting staff at florida back in the day..... if we miss out on this guy it could set the program back a decade

that guy.... it was tim tebow.... i'm sure it was to make him an NFL ready QB, haha

tebow was brought there to be one of the best college qb's in history... he met those expectations

your post is 1000% right..... coaches know what they want and how to utilize it. they could care less about pro style, this style, that style... they want to win. winning games gives them job security, winning games brings in elite level recruits

and for the ohio state nonsense.... troy smith won a heisman trophy, he was a horrendous pro prospect.... they had barrett and miller there at the same time; both qb's who were big 10 players of the year..... both would have been better NFL prospects at other positions

if an ohio state qb were good enough to be an NFL star; they would be an NFL star

[asujbl]

urban meyer told his recruiting staff at florida back in the day..... if we miss out on this guy it could set the program back a decade

that guy.... it was tim tebow.... i'm sure it was to make him an NFL ready QB, haha

tebow was brought there to be one of the best college qb's in history... he met those expectations

your post is 1000% right..... coaches know what they want and how to utilize it. they could care less about pro style, this style, that style... they want to win. winning games gives them job security, winning games brings in elite level recruits

and for the ohio state nonsense.... troy smith won a heisman trophy, he was a horrendous pro prospect.... they had barrett and miller there at the same time; both qb's who were big 10 players of the year..... both would have been better NFL prospects at other positions

if an ohio state qb were good enough to be an NFL star; they would be an NFL star

Yep

Good coaches know what they want to win.

Tim Tebow was built to win. Chris Leak was not. Urban wanted to win.

Urban doesn’t want guys “not” to develop but there were no illusions that Braxton or JT we’re going Pro

Tate Martell might be awesome at Miami. He isn’t going Pro at QB. Urban didn’t recruit him for that.

Ryan Day is a different animal

Ohio State could easily have a run on QB’s as Fields and Jack Miller are Pro style QB’s

So could Bama if they replace Tua appropriately (not sure their recruits)

[HeadstrongRSS]

Basing the success of QBs on previous same-school QB talent and not their own talent is such a ridiculously flawed logic path. Pat Mahomes anyone?

[asujbl]

Basing the success of QBs on previous same-school QB talent and not their own talent is such a ridiculously flawed logic path. Pat Mahomes anyone?

How long is that USC list?

[Antoniow11]

Woof

0 out of 10 and may god have mercy on your soul

I'm a big OSU fan, but I just don't see him panning out in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong:devil:

[HeadstrongRSS]

How long is that USC list?

Doesn't matter really. All it takes is the next one to be good. I'm in Madison, WI. How many good QBs have we had? Not many. But then theres Russell Wilson.

[asujbl]

Doesn't matter really. All it takes is the next one to be good. I'm in Madison, WI. How many good QBs have we had? Not many. But then theres Russell Wilson.

Exactly

[BOboy]

Yep

Good coaches know what they want to win.

Tim Tebow was built to win. Chris Leak was not. Urban wanted to win.

Urban doesn’t want guys “not” to develop but there were no illusions that Braxton or JT we’re going Pro

Tate Martell might be awesome at Miami. He isn’t going Pro at QB. Urban didn’t recruit him for that.

Ryan Day is a different animal

Ohio State could easily have a run on QB’s as Fields and Jack Miller are Pro style QB’s

So could Bama if they replace Tua appropriately (not sure their recruits)



Yes, all the coaches in the NFL are stupid and not as smart as college coaches.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-buyer-beware-on-dwayne-haskins-rashan-gary-and-these-other-top-prospects/

This article makes my point exactly.

[bigp621]

Haskins to succeed needs to drop down and get drafted by Denver. Let John Elway work with him. Not throw him into the fire his first year but let him groom. Haskins has the talent, the arm and the knowledge of the game. How it translates to the NFL will remain to be seen, just like all of the QB's. Lock is the one I say who will do the best from this years draft.

[majestik101]

Haskins to succeed needs to drop down and get drafted by Denver. Let John Elway work with him. Not throw him into the fire his first year but let him groom. Haskins has the talent, the arm and the knowledge of the game. How it translates to the NFL will remain to be seen, just like all of the QB's. Lock is the one I say who will do the best from this years draft.

Being drafted by Denver would be a death sentence. John Elway is not the best evaluator of quarterback talent.

[Rareairx23]

Yep

Good coaches know what they want to win.

Tim Tebow was built to win. Chris Leak was not. Urban wanted to win.

Urban doesn’t want guys “not” to develop but there were no illusions that Braxton or JT we’re going Pro

Tate Martell might be awesome at Miami. He isn’t going Pro at QB. Urban didn’t recruit him for that.

Ryan Day is a different animal

Ohio State could easily have a run on QB’s as Fields and Jack Miller are Pro style QB’s

So could Bama if they replace Tua appropriately (not sure their recruits)

lol he can't even beat out n'kosi perry in drills and scrimmages... gonna be another long year lol

[asujbl]

lol he can't even beat out n'kosi perry in drills and scrimmages... gonna be another long year lol

Is that true? I haven't heard a thing about him (except for his waiver) since he left.

[Rareairx23]

Is that true? I haven't heard a thing about him (except for his waiver) since he left.

I follow them closer than any pro team from every sport. He cannot throw a pass outside the numbers to save his life. Kosi is far and away ahead of him in every aspect of the game from what I'm hearing. and "our" other guy Jarren Williams, crushes those two with arm strength.

[BOboy]

Just read a couple stories about Haskins' draft stock dropping, the word used in one was "plunging". Now this could be a smoke screen but also heard that Haskins wasn't going to attend the draft because his stock was dropping.

A couple things that article I posted didn't mention that are red flags to me was the 40 time, he isn't going to run away from anybody and his times at the combine were very erratic and heard the first one was 5.5. The erratic times compared to his team day is also a red flag, why wasn't he prepared at the combine? Could be an indication that he is lazy.

[MIRRABB]

Just read a couple stories about Haskins' draft stock dropping, the word used in one was "plunging". Now this could be a smoke screen but also heard that Haskins wasn't going to attend the draft because his stock was dropping.

A couple things that article I posted didn't mention that are red flags to me was the 40 time, he isn't going to run away from anybody and his times at the combine were very erratic and heard the first one was 5.5. The erratic times compared to his team day is also a red flag, why wasn't he prepared at the combine? Could be an indication that he is lazy.

Official time at the combine was 5.04, don't really see how that should be a factor.

[BOboy]

Official time at the combine was 5.04, don't really see how that should be a factor.

You get two tries.

[asujbl]

You get two tries.

He ran a 5.04 in his first and 5.06 in his second.

[BOboy]

Could have been an adjusted time but I was watching the combine when they mentioned the 5.5 time.

Interesting comparison, I was also thinking Byron Leftwich.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830603-if-nfl-teams-like-dwayne-haskins-why-is-he-tumbling-down-draft-boards

[asujbl]

Could have been an adjusted time but I was watching the combine when they mentioned the 5.5 time.

Interesting comparison, I was also thinking Byron Leftwich.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830603-if-nfl-teams-like-dwayne-haskins-why-is-he-tumbling-down-draft-boards

Haskins ran 5.04 and 5.06 at the combine. Not sure what to tell you. That's what happened. It's documented to death.

He didn't run at Ohio State Pro Day.

[BOboy]

Haskins ran 5.04 and 5.06 at the combine. Not sure what to tell you. That's what happened. It's documented to death.

He didn't run at Ohio State Pro Day.

He is getting knocked for his 40 times and mobility, fractions of a second matter.

[asujbl]

He is getting knocked for his 40 times and mobility, fractions of a second matter.

Cool story. You said you heard his first run was a 5.5

It was not. Neither was his second run.

That's all I'm replying to.

[BOboy]

Apparently Chris Sims among others concerned about his 40 time and then the BS statement from his agent that he had leg cramps. Chris also mentions, like I did, why wasn't he better prepared and it being a red flag.

[BOboy]

Haskins ran 5.04 and 5.06 at the combine. Not sure what to tell you. That's what happened. It's documented to death.

He didn't run at Ohio State Pro Day.

After his agent put out the story that he had leg cramps at the combine probably explains why he didn't run on his pro day. Be hard to explain why you were slower or the same speed on your pro day when you supposedly had leg cramps at the combine. Red flag.

[asujbl]

After his agent put out the story that he had leg cramps at the combine probably explains why he didn't run on his pro day. Be hard to explain why you were slower or the same speed on your pro day when you supposedly had leg cramps at the combine. Red flag.

Yep. That was it.

[asujbl]

Apparently Chris Sims among others concerned about his 40 time and then the BS statement from his agent that he had leg cramps. Chris also mentions, like I did, why wasn't he better prepared and it being a red flag.

Wait...

The Chris Simms said this? Like the one and only Chris Simms?

The same one that had the QB's last year ranked Allen, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, Darnold?

Or how about all these scorching hot takes about Tom Brady over the years

https://www.patspropaganda.com/history-tom-brady-hot-taeks-chris-simms/

Chris Simms is a bitter idiot. Always has been and always will be.

[BOboy]

Wait...

The Chris Simms said this? Like the one and only Chris Simms?

The same one that had the QB's last year ranked Allen, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, Darnold?

Or how about all these scorching hot takes about Tom Brady over the years

https://www.patspropaganda.com/history-tom-brady-hot-taeks-chris-simms/

Chris Simms is a bitter idiot. Always has been and always will be.

There are plenty of other stories knocking his 40 time, they are not hard to find.

[asujbl]

There are plenty of other stories knocking his 40 time, they are not hard to find.

Because everyone knew about this already. It's not breaking news.

If you are super concerned about Haskins running a 5.04 at 6'3' and 231 pounds compared to Sam Darnold running a 4.85 at 6'3' and 221 pounds then more power to you.

[asujbl]

Do we care that Rivers ran a 5.08? Do we care that Foles ran a 5.14?

No? Cool