Did you buy this Giannis Intrigue /10 PSA 10 from Probstein last night? It's trimmed.

[3124508 on COMC]

Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2013-14-panini-intrigue-giannis-1833989831

Post: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-14-Panini-Intrigue-10-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-RC-Patch-AUTO-PSA-PSA-DNA-10-/382951281661?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

Card is short top/bottom by a mile. Both trimmed top and bottom edges.


https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/1016/12/2013-14-panini-intrigue-giannis_1_dbfada8c2461d189c9f6017a090bf29d.jpg


https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/1016/12/2013-14-panini-intrigue-giannis_1_dbfada8c2461d189c9f6017a090bf29d.jpg


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AvIAAOSwufFceUyh/s-l1600.png

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AO4AAOSw0ntceUyn/s-l1600.png

[ninjacookies]

Maybe the top and bottom corners were just 'spoon pressed.' It's a practice that's been around since forever. That's called conservation. Because it's done in such a way that you can't tell with your eye and it looks natural. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Brent told me so.

[GeechQuest]

Those are 2 different cards...

[pigeonsbaseball]

Maybe the top and bottom corners were just 'spoon pressed.' It's a practice that's been around since forever. That's called conservation. Because it's done in such a way that you can't tell with your eye and it looks natural. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Brent told me so.

You would be 100% correct but this is not a PWCC auction..

Wr have not seen the Probstein tenets yet. So until then we must wait patiently to be told by the Probstein exactly what that this is and if it is ok or not...

[Siberian13]

Those are 2 different cards...

Yeah I think he meant to post the photo from the 2nd link.

[GeechQuest]

Yeah I think he meant to post the photo from the 2nd link.

I see it now. Probstein listed it as a Pop 1, it’s obviously AT LEAST a Pop 2 without even checking the PSA report. Odd.

[3124508 on COMC]

I see it now. Probstein listed it as a Pop 1, it’s obviously AT LEAST a Pop 2 without even checking the PSA report. Odd.

Yeah, sorry I’ll post correct pics in a sec.

[Lee42]

Damn that card has had a decent haircut!

[ninjacookies]

You would be 100% correct but this is not a PWCC auction..

Wr have not seen the Probstein tenets yet. So until then we must wait patiently to be told by the Probstein exactly what that this is and if it is ok or not...

Oh crap.

Even better.

Looking forward to seeing what creative synonym they use for conservation.


Pandoras box \____/

[jj2]

Before and after photos are not evidence. Sorry.

[ThoseBackPages]

i did not

[GeechQuest]

:cry:

i did not

[bewareof94]

The fact that PSA gave that a 10 with the top edges being visibly white, not to mention being trimmed, is just mind boggling at this point. They obviously aren't measuring cards, and it's really looking like they're giving preferential treatment to certain submitters who are behind a lot of the trimming that's going on

[ntgm37]

Before and after photos are not evidence. Sorry.

Do tell

[3124508 on COMC]

Do tell

That's what PWCC said in their podcast. :coffee:

[pspa123]

That's what PWCC said in their podcast. :coffee:

And alteration isn't alteration if you can't tell that it's alteration, or something to that effect. :)

[KhalDrogo]

PSA coming through again. Nice job clowns.

[izucantc]

It just never ends

[chuckerrrr]

Getting really sick of the daily trim threads. Really hope we find out who these scumbags are that hide behind consigners. Wish I could go all out here and let them know what I really think but for now I will just say GUTLESS COWARDS!!!!

[Siberian13]

Getting really sick of the daily trim threads. Really hope we find out who these scumbags are that hide behind consigners. Wish I could go all out here and let them know what I really think but for now I will just say GUTLESS COWARDS!!!!

Sad part is some are members here.

[babyfaceposey]

Sad part is some are members here.

Very true. People threw a fit years ago when I said it should be required to list ebay name.

[pejc300]

Dang. Someone dropped 9k on that sucker. I have a feeling it's not getting paid for or will be refunded.

[Vintage Collector]

Getting really sick of the daily trim threads. Really hope we find out who these scumbags are that hide behind consigners. Wish I could go all out here and let them know what I really think but for now I will just say GUTLESS COWARDS!!!!

Couldn't psa back track the case number to who submitted it for grading? Easy peasy.:)!

[chuckerrrr]

Dang. Someone dropped 9k on that sucker. I have a feeling it's not getting paid for or will be refunded.

9k?!!! Raw pre trimmed sticker auto is that even a 2K card? This is criminal. FBI/Feds please be reading this and lock some SOBs up. Thanks!

[Vintage Collector]

Or one conspiracy step further, they might be buddies with someone from psa.

[chuckerrrr]

Or one conspiracy step further, they might be buddies with someone from psa.

I don't think that's a conspiracy at all. Highly possible. Also some customers spends 5k a year on grading. Gotta make them happy.

[KhalDrogo]

I don't think that's a conspiracy at all. Highly possible. Also some customers spends 5k a year on grading. Gotta make them happy.
$5000 is absolutely nothing. I'm sure the top guys are spending hundreds of thousands in grading fees every year.

[hxcmilkshake]

Why not just cut it in half and send to PSA. double the profit!!

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[jmeryllman]

According to PWCC, conservation = alteration that is not caught (or at least not obvious to buyers).

[chuckerrrr]

$5000 is absolutely nothing. I'm sure the top guys are spending hundreds of thousands in grading fees every year.

True my friend.

The whole grading concept has created a monster. Certain peeps just cant help themselves. The graders themselves are human. I mean somebody at PSA could be doing this. How on earth would we know?

Unless names come out and peeps are arrested this will continue.

[bewareof94]

I don't think that's a conspiracy at all. Highly possible. Also some customers spends 5k a year on grading. Gotta make them happy.

$5000 is absolutely nothing. I'm sure the top guys are spending hundreds of thousands in grading fees every year.

True my friend.

The whole grading concept has created a monster. Certain peeps just cant help themselves. The graders themselves are human. I mean somebody at PSA could be doing this. How on earth would we know?

Unless names come out and peeps are arrested this will continue.

I don't think there's any question at this point that PSA is giving preferential treatment to certain submitters and overlooking obvious flaws in their cards.

If you or I submitted the card in question, I think it's coming back ungraded, or at best, a 7 with how the top edge looks.

In my opinion, there's a small number of very prominent people/companies who are behind the trimming that do tens of thousands in business with PSA each year, and are able to get these cards (and the many others that have been proven to be trimmed and gem'd by PSA), through on the fast track with preferential grades

[Keto]

Or one conspiracy step further, they might be buddies with someone from psa.

This is what I feel too. Someone is paying top dollar to PSA to get these trimmed cards graded. I think someone should ask Probstein to ask for the sellers name. Then we will track that seller either as the trimmer or give us info where he got that card from. Lets track these scammers to the names and everything about them.

[Goldminer]

Whoever it is should quit while they are ahead. They may be telling themselves it's conservation... but good luck telling that to the judge!

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[Goldminer]

Im just learning all this amd recently purchased 2 cards from different sellers but both were consigners. Both came back evidence of trimming... won't be purchasing anything from consigners from now on. I feel like it even made me look bad. Like the graded thought it was me.. I will say my other cards in the submission got crushed.. like my grader had the worst day of his life lol.. now I know why it was so harsh!

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[mondogenerator]

sorry, proof is not evidence.

- PWCC

[yiguiri2002]

I was afraid they were gonna target Giannis as some point. There it is.

[UD40]

I bet PWCC believes in alternate facts too. SMH.

[jj2]

I bet PWCC believes in alternate facts too. SMH.

Evidence is Fake News.

[HOFrookies]

Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/2013-14-panini-intrigue-giannis-1833989831

Post: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-14-Panini-Intrigue-10-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-RC-Patch-AUTO-PSA-PSA-DNA-10-/382951281661?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

Card is short top/bottom by a mile. Both trimmed top and bottom edges.


https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/1016/12/2013-14-panini-intrigue-giannis_1_dbfada8c2461d189c9f6017a090bf29d.jpg


https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/1016/12/2013-14-panini-intrigue-giannis_1_dbfada8c2461d189c9f6017a090bf29d.jpg


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AvIAAOSwufFceUyh/s-l1600.png

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AO4AAOSw0ntceUyn/s-l1600.png

Well, it is my bad luck.
This is now the 2nd card within 2 weeks I have bought that has surfaced as being altered.
Again, I will let everyone know the status.
Unfortunately, I had already paid for, and received the card in hand. So now the process will take a lot longer...

Thanks "312" again!

[gomiamigo]

I was gonna bid on an Embiid NT RAP but it was same seller and the 9.5 corners and edges had me worried so I passed. It went for much less than when he auctioned it very recently so clearly something up as well with the 4/99.

[BC81]

That sucks HOFrookies. Also discouraging to see so many beautiful cards being trimmed.

Maybe the silver lining in this is maybe you can pick up Giannis cards for cheaper now that his prices are dropping.


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[Southpas2013]

I don't think there's any question at this point that PSA is giving preferential treatment to certain submitters and overlooking obvious flaws in their cards.



If you or I submitted the card in question, I think it's coming back ungraded, or at best, a 7 with how the top edge looks.



In my opinion, there's a small number of very prominent people/companies who are behind the trimming that do tens of thousands in business with PSA each year, and are able to get these cards (and the many others that have been proven to be trimmed and gem'd by PSA), through on the fast track with preferential grades



I absolutely agree with this 100000%. That’s it .

If I would have sent that card in, PSA 7 at best.

[HOFrookies]

Hi guys.
Well, I did do a return, and was able to get a refund.

However, this card is back up in auction again, ending tonight...

[Giannis34fan]

Hi guys.
Well, I did do a return, and was able to get a refund.

However, this card is back up in auction again, ending tonight...

Probstein just doesn't care, right? It's all about the Benjamins?! :rolleyes:

[Vladdy Jr]

Hi guys.
Well, I did do a return, and was able to get a refund.

However, this card is back up in auction again, ending tonight...

Listed by
danjess33

Isn’t this the guy who trimmed the Soto or Acuna Superfractor?

[HOFrookies]

Probstein just doesn't care, right? It's all about the Benjamins?! :rolleyes:

Actually, the relisting is not Probstein...

[mindcycle]

Hi guys.
Well, I did do a return, and was able to get a refund.

However, this card is back up in auction again, ending tonight...

:doh: