Yzerman BGS 9.5. May be time to let go....

[SGC300ier]

I have been holding on to this for years, but I think it may be time to let it go.

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag21/StephenCarrier17/20190704_112156_zpsiqxgestr.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/StephenCarrier17/media/20190704_112156_zpsiqxgestr.jpg.html)

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag21/StephenCarrier17/20190704_112203_zpsymvqetoj.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/StephenCarrier17/media/20190704_112203_zpsymvqetoj.jpg.html)

I had a massive collection of hockey cards but little by little have gotten rid of them. This is only one I've held onto as a Wings fan.

Sad day...

[UD HighGloss]

That is an amazing card, sad day indeed.

[SGC300ier]

Kids, house, bills...responsibility lol

[ThoseBackPages]

why BGS?

[SGC300ier]

why BGS?

Back when I got it BGS was the more popular grader and I liked the holders better. Now I prefer PSA, but not risking the crossgrade.

[JMarchand1981]

So this is essentially spam.

[bloodwings19]

Overrated player. Burn it!

[k13]

nice card but sheet cut.

[JMarchand1981]

nice card but sheet cut.

How can you tell?

[SGC300ier]

So this is essentially spam.

I didnt mean for it to be. We can have it taken down if needed and I apologize.

[JMarchand1981]

I didnt mean for it to be. We can have it taken down if needed and I apologize.

I only pointed it out because the post seems contemplative and then I saw the same card on ebay.

If that was the case and it was just for sale, you would have been better served in the BST section.

[SGC300ier]

How can you tell?

Yes please let me know. I bought it already graded. So I'll be extremely po'd.

Isnt that something BGS would have caught when it was sent in for grading?

If this is true and I bought something not legit I will lose my mind.

[SGC300ier]

I only pointed it out because the post seems contemplative and then I saw the same card on ebay.

If that was the case and it was just for sale, you would have been better served in the BST section.

I do apologize. I will definitely keep that in mind for next time I post something. Color me ignorant on this one. :doh:

[k13]

How can you tell?

BGS and 9 surface.
Clean edges.

[UD HighGloss]

In other words you're full of it.

BGS and 9 surface.
Clean edges.

[SGC300ier]

In other words you're full of it.

I asked him to help me with the situation as you can see in my post, but no response.

I am stewing thinking I bought something not legit.

I know there are a lot of people hating on the graded card world right now, so maybe that's it?

[hxcmilkshake]

I think its a knee jerk reaction to any OPC hockey card without a rough cut. Seen it before on other threads.

I wouldn't fret. The card is not rare and theres TONS of these out there with 4 smooth edges.

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[matpat21]

I don’t know too much about OPC but obviously everyone knows about the rough edges, those do look smooth but I feel like Beckett would at least know more than us....that card is a great one though. I think I have a psa 8 maybe 9 in my collection somewhere, def a card that I need to upgrade.

[SGC300ier]

OPC definitely is known for rough edges and poor centering. This card was a must have for me.

[valleynuckfan]

BGS grades sheet cut cards- always have- as part of their policy. They do not reject as PSA claims to.
BGS does not disclose this on the label or in correspondence to my knowledge.
In this case, smooth edges do not necessarily indicate sheet cut. 1984 OPC was a massively produced set. Early run cards are quite sharp right out of the pack. Later, as the wire cutters dulled, the cards got the 'typical OPC' rough edge cut. I have a couple of very clean sets with many smooth edged cards. Pretty sure these weren't built with sheet cuts, but from packs. The wax stains prove the point!
However, if this card was purchased from Martin Sports in Guelph then it is likely a cut card. Jason purchased the remaining in storage stock from the O-Pee-Chee factory in London, Ontario after they went out of business- sheets, wax, sets etc. He had many, many sheets from the 70s and 80s cut for submission to BGS. This is not to disparage Jason in the least- he is a great guy and I've done several transactions with him over the years.

[SGC300ier]

That's nuts! I did get it from a seller in the U.S.

[salthill]

He had many, many sheets from the 70s and 80s cut for submission to BGS. This is not to disparage Jason in the least- he is a great guy and I've done several transactions with him over the years.

Sheet cutting is quite literally trimming your own cards on a mass scale. If it’s undisclosed I can’t see why it’s considered more acceptable.

[Malsk]

Sadly I have to agree it is likely cut from an uncut sheet.

Martin Sportscards made tons of money buying uncut sheets, cutting them, and sending to BGS.

BGS did not care and not totally sure if they still do or not.

The edges on that card are just way too clean.

I hope I am wrong but I grade a lot of cards and there is a huge problem in the industry right now with cut cards. Search other forums and you can read all about it.

[Malsk]

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In this case, smooth edges do not necessarily indicate sheet cut. 1984 OPC was a massively produced set. Early run cards are quite sharp right out of the pack. Later, as the wire cutters dulled, the cards got the 'typical OPC' rough edge cut. I have a couple of very clean sets with many smooth edged cards. Pretty sure these weren't built with sheet cuts, but from packs. The wax stains prove the point!

You are totally correct. The problem is no one trusts BGS anymore because they grade uncut sheet cards.

This card could be totally legit. Sad it is graded by BGS.

[SGC300ier]

Now I'm sad..

[UD HighGloss]

Seen K13 post outlandish and utterly wrong comments quiet frequently on BO. It's always a small possibility, but SMALL is the key word there.

I asked him to help me with the situation as you can see in my post, but no response.

I am stewing thinking I bought something not legit.

I know there are a lot of people hating on the graded card world right now, so maybe that's it?

[ThoseBackPages]

gotta have some "rough" on yer OPC cards!

https://live.staticflickr.com/8466/29016759524_3933b5cf6a_b.jpg

[SGC300ier]

Everyone has an opinion on graded cards. I guess that's the reality of collecting.

[SGC300ier]

gotta have some "rough" on yer OPC cards!

https://live.staticflickr.com/8466/29016759524_3933b5cf6a_b.jpg

Yea that looks pretty much like mine. The edges aren't 100% perfect.

[ThoseBackPages]

Yea that looks pretty much like mine. The edges aren't 100% perfect.

then you should be good! :)!

i pulled mine out of a $6 wax box i bought in 1986

[ThoseBackPages]

Here were the others i submitted about 8 years ago now?

https://live.staticflickr.com/8103/29016768984_63d8142a61_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/8288/29607965086_8652415c01_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/8418/29352343990_453c7038bf_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/8887/29352345270_e6bc95095b_b.jpg

[SGC300ier]

It's hard to see and honestly they're probably going to be blocked by the photobucket logo, but I took some photos of the edges. Definitely some rough cuts.

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag21/StephenCarrier17/Mobile%20Uploads/20190705_170114_zpsg1brtfb0.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/StephenCarrier17/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190705_170114_zpsg1brtfb0.jpg.html)
http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag21/StephenCarrier17/Mobile%20Uploads/20190705_170130_zpsneb8vwzo.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/StephenCarrier17/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190705_170130_zpsneb8vwzo.jpg.html)
http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag21/StephenCarrier17/Mobile%20Uploads/20190705_170121_zpszbfky2bz.jpg (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/StephenCarrier17/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20190705_170121_zpszbfky2bz.jpg.html)

Easier to see in person, but the edges have the OPC roughness, just not horrible like some of the Yzermans I have seen.

[JMarchand1981]

This thread took a very unfortunate turn. I think the card in the OP is awesome

[cking]

You are totally correct. The problem is no one trusts BGS anymore because they grade uncut sheet cards.

This card could be totally legit. Sad it is graded by BGS.

No one trusts PSA anymore because they lied when they said they have the ability to detect altered cards.

They lied real, real bad. And continue to lie and grade altered cards to this day.

[SGC300ier]

This thread took a very unfortunate turn. I think the card in the OP is awesome

I appreciate it. I can only go with the assumption that this card is 100% legit. I feel like if it were "sheet cut" it would have pristine edges, which it does not.

If it were to not be legit, than I am the one who was duped, because i bought it already graded.

Dios Mios!

[salthill]

This thread took a very unfortunate turn. I think the card in the OP is awesome
Agreed - sweet card! Sorry this went sideways on your thread. There are others more apt for the discussion.

[gregggyf]

BGS grades sheet cut cards- always have- as part of their policy. They do not reject as PSA claims to.
BGS does not disclose this on the label or in correspondence to my knowledge.
In this case, smooth edges do not necessarily indicate sheet cut. 1984 OPC was a massively produced set. Early run cards are quite sharp right out of the pack. Later, as the wire cutters dulled, the cards got the 'typical OPC' rough edge cut. I have a couple of very clean sets with many smooth edged cards. Pretty sure these weren't built with sheet cuts, but from packs. The wax stains prove the point!
However, if this card was purchased from Martin Sports in Guelph then it is likely a cut card. Jason purchased the remaining in storage stock from the O-Pee-Chee factory in London, Ontario after they went out of business- sheets, wax, sets etc. He had many, many sheets from the 70s and 80s cut for submission to BGS. This is not to disparage Jason in the least- he is a great guy and I've done several transactions with him over the years.

Good Morning, I have a great interest in this topic and I am not doubting what valleynuckfan is saying above. I was wondering though what are the opinions/experiences of other forum members with regards to the sentence in bold.

Thank you very much.