Manning vs Brady Long-Term. My thoughts.

[lesternatty]

Manning just beats Brady in every category expect rings. However, once Tom hangs up the pads people will forget Brady. Manning on the other hand has a huge tv personality. Very marketable. Tom is kind of boring outside football. We’ll be seeing Manning on the big screen for years to come, or possibly in a coaching position later down the line. I think Peyton catches back up to Brady in value within a decade. Watch the career highlights between them. Manning is far superior. A bad defense and a small market kept Peyton from 10+ rings. Hopefully people will actually take time to watch film and witness the greatness that was The Sheriff. Looking for Contenders Manning Rookie PSA 9 or 10 PM me.

[tjforce]

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[Siberian13]

Manning just beats Brady in every category expect rings. However, once Tom hangs up the pads people will forget Brady. Manning on the other hand has a huge tv personality. Very marketable. Tom is kind of boring outside football. We’ll be seeing Manning on the big screen for years to come, or possibly in a coaching position later down the line. I think Peyton catches back up to Brady in value within a decade. Watch the career highlights between them. Manning is far superior. A bad defense and a small market kept Peyton from 10+ rings. Hopefully people will actually take time to watch film and witness the greatness that was The Sheriff. Looking for Contenders Manning Rookie PSA 9 or 10 PM me.

Only thing that matters is the rings. Brady is King and Peyton is the Jester

[twisty571]

Ok....
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[twisty571]

Manning just beats Brady in every category expect rings..

Show me....

[ninjacookies]

Jameis1of1 is dat u?


Joking aside, there's tons of qb's that would have been incredible if they just had better situations. Jim Kelly would be a 4x super bowl winner if he wasn't born into the Niners/Cowboys dynasty era.

The hobby only cares about hypotheticals and what ifs if you're a 1st or 2nd year rookie with upside. They could care less when you're a retired dadbod doing catchy Nationwide jingles.

[lesternatty]

Only thing that matters is the rings. Brady is King and Peyton is the Jester

You must PC Charles Haley.

[BostonNut]

You lost me at 10+ rings...

[BostonNut]

You must PC Charles Haley.

We got a PBM! Nice!

[GoHawks25]

Brady will pass Manning in yards and touchdowns this year as long as he stays healthy. Hard to say Manning will be seen as the GOAT with Brady likely surpassing him in both those categories. Not to mention Brady has significantly fewer interceptions. When you factor in the super bowl rings, it won’t even be close really.

[Siberian13]

You must PC Charles Haley.

Who wouldn't? I mean the stories about him are epic.

[deemsterz33]

Manning just beats Brady in every category expect rings. However, once Tom hangs up the pads people will forget Brady. Manning on the other hand has a huge tv personality. Very marketable. Tom is kind of boring outside football. We’ll be seeing Manning on the big screen for years to come, or possibly in a coaching position later down the line. I think Peyton catches back up to Brady in value within a decade. Watch the career highlights between them. Manning is far superior. A bad defense and a small market kept Peyton from 10+ rings. Hopefully people will actually take time to watch film and witness the greatness that was The Sheriff. Looking for Contenders Manning Rookie PSA 9 or 10 PM me.

You do realize thay Brady is about to surpass Manning in career passing yards and TDs this year?

[lesternatty]

You lost me at 10+ rings...

Yeah I got a bit overzealous as a homer on that one lol

[ninjacookies]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1317696

[lesternatty]

You do realize thay Brady is about to surpass Manning in career passing yards and TDs this year?

2014-15 will need an *. You can’t count Deflategate stats towards his career total.

[Fenway55]

Manning just beats Brady in every category expect rings. However, once Tom hangs up the pads people will forget Brady. Manning on the other hand has a huge tv personality. Very marketable. Tom is kind of boring outside football. We’ll be seeing Manning on the big screen for years to come, or possibly in a coaching position later down the line. I think Peyton catches back up to Brady in value within a decade. Watch the career highlights between them. Manning is far superior. A bad defense and a small market kept Peyton from 10+ rings. Hopefully people will actually take time to watch film and witness the greatness that was The Sheriff. Looking for Contenders Manning Rookie PSA 9 or 10 PM me.
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[lesternatty]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1317696

Not me...

[ninjacookies]

Not me...

Just saying, this has already been rehashed.


I love me some Manning, btw. Big fan since he came into the league. Have disliked the Pats through a majority of that same stretch.

But it's not happening, dude.

Sorry.

[Siberian13]

Brady wins the playing against each other head to head career stats too

[Stifle]

Maybe if Manning didn't complete so many passes to TY LAW?

[callou2131]

once Tom hangs up the pads people will forget Brady

Yes People forgot all about that guy named Mantle and Ruth, Some Guy named Jordan or something used to be a good basketball player. I heard there used to be some guy named petty or something that could drive fast.

[lesternatty]

Just saying, this has already been rehashed.


I love me some Manning, btw. Big fan since he came into the league. Have disliked the Pats through a majority of that same stretch.

But it's not happening, dude.

Sorry.

I don’t understand how Manning isn’t equal or worth more. You want to collect team cards fine. Patriots team cards should be worth the most. But, we’re talking individual cards. Individual QB cards. Manning and Marino should be the most valuable. I’ve never seen any QB’s compare to either of them. And, Manning made 15 playoff appearances to 10 SB’s wasn’t that crazy actually.,

[ninjacookies]

I don’t understand how Manning isn’t equal or worth more. You want to collect team cards fine. Patriots team cards should be worth the most. But, we’re talking individual cards. Individual QB cards. Manning and Marino should be the most valuable. I’ve never seen any QB’s compare to either of them. And, Manning made 15 playoff appearances to 10 SB’s wasn’t that crazy actually.,

If Manning had 5 or 6 rings, this would be debatable. But he doesn't, so it's not. We can point to why Brady was in a better position to succeed, etc etc...but history only remembers the wins, not the excuses.

The fact that Brady is still going on age 42 still playing at an all-pro level with no foreseeable end in sight is icing on the cake.

Peyton's 2nd super bowl was giftwrapped to him by a defense that decimated Cam. He had 141 yards, 0 scores, and a pick.

It's really not close.


Now I'm certainly not saying his stuff can't have a gradual increase over time when nostalgia starts kicking in like a lot of the star players of his era.

But when it comes to Peyton vs. Brady...just no.

I dislike Brady a lot, btw. In case you couldn't tell by my post history.

[BostonNut]

I don’t understand how Manning isn’t equal or worth more. You want to collect team cards fine. Patriots team cards should be worth the most. But, we’re talking individual cards. Individual QB cards. Manning and Marino should be the most valuable. I’ve never seen any QB’s compare to either of them. And, Manning made 15 playoff appearances to 10 SB’s wasn’t that crazy actually.,

Tim Brody has missed the playoffs once in his 18 years starting... so he should have 15+ rings. This game is fun.

[lesternatty]

If Manning had 5 or 6 rings, this would be debatable. But he doesn't, so it's not. We can point to why Brady was in a better position to succeed, etc etc...but history only remembers the wins, not the excuses.

The fact that Brady is still going on age 42 still playing at an all-pro level with no foreseeable end in sight is icing on the cake.

Peyton's 2nd super bowl was giftwrapped to him by a defense that decimated Cam. He had 141 yards, 0 scores, and a pick.

It's really not close.


Now I'm certainly not saying his stuff can't have a gradual increase over time when nostalgia starts kicking in like a lot of the star players of his era.

But when it comes to Peyton vs. Brady...just no.

I dislike Brady a lot, btw. In case you couldn't tell by my post history.

Think if Colts had anything close to that Denver D in Peyton’s prime. It wouldn’t even have been fair. We had Dwight Freeney. That was it...

[IronMonkey415]

I knew it was worth my time to keep my old eye on lesternatty.

There is something unique about him and his thread is all about investment. I'm a money guy as well, so I get all excited.

[boston12]

Oh this is good. Peyton Manning makes commercials so his cards should be worth more. What about looks? Tom Brady certainly win there. Does that help his card values?

[ninjacookies]

Think if Colts had anything close to that Denver D in Peyton’s prime. It wouldn’t even have been fair. We had Dwight Freeney. That was it...

Life isn't fair sometimes.


I should have been a billionaire. Instead I save up for FOTL and flip semi-star singles.

And we should have ran at the 1.

Que sera, sera.

[lesternatty]

Life isn't fair sometimes.


I should have been a billionaire. Instead I save up for FOTL and flip semi-star singles.

And we should have ran at the 1.

Que sera, sera.

You want to take my Peterman and Rosen singles off my hands?

[BreakPoint]

Manning just beats Brady in every category expect rings. However, once Tom hangs up the pads people will forget Brady. Manning on the other hand has a huge tv personality. Very marketable. Tom is kind of boring outside football. We’ll be seeing Manning on the big screen for years to come, or possibly in a coaching position later down the line. I think Peyton catches back up to Brady in value within a decade. Watch the career highlights between them. Manning is far superior. A bad defense and a small market kept Peyton from 10+ rings. Hopefully people will actually take time to watch film and witness the greatness that was The Sheriff. Looking for Contenders Manning Rookie PSA 9 or 10 PM me.

:doh:

[BestRCs]

I thought this was a 2006 thread for a second......

[ninjacookies]

You want to take my Rosen singles off my hands?

Gary Vee's back off that train. Else I totally would.

[lesternatty]

Gary Vee's back off that train. Else I totally would.

You know what’s funny? My friend that is heavy into stocks recently started buying sports cards. He used to not understand why I invested in them. He’s a huge Gary Vee fan. I confronted him and he admitted it was because of Gary Vee lol.

[jasonm2121]

When all time dumbest threads are discussed, all others will be forgotten.

[lesternatty]

When all time dumbest threads are discussed, all others will be forgotten.

My threads generate Buzz. I’m the Gary Vee of Blowout.

[jasonm2121]

My threads generate Buzz. I’m the Gary Vee of Blowout.

Sure. Same way people comment on a pothole on their work commute.

[jasonm2121]

Oh this is good. Peyton Manning makes commercials so his cards should be worth more. What about looks? Tom Brady certainly win there. Does that help his card values?

His commercials are good too, Buick and Nationwide, almost as good as Shaq. It’s ok to say no to endorsements.

[JeremyNick]

Brady wins the playing against each other head to head career stats too

Don’t be that guy.
And make me be that guy
That has to explain that two QBs never play each other.

[BostonNut]

His commercials are good too, Buick and Nationwide, almost as good as Shaq. It’s ok to say no to endorsements.

Early Peyton was good.

Now it feels forced and like he is only there to collect a check.

[jasonm2121]

Early Peyton was good.

Now it feels forced and like he is only there to collect a check.

Sharp too, dresses like he is middle management in a call center

[lesternatty]

Oh this is good. Peyton Manning makes commercials so his cards should be worth more. What about looks? Tom Brady certainly win there. Does that help his card values?

I don’t know if they do or not. Maybe some girls collect his cards because of that. I know being marketable does increase card value. That can’t be argued. See Baker Mayfield.

[Siberian13]

Oh this is good. Peyton Manning makes commercials so his cards should be worth more. What about looks? Tom Brady certainly win there. Does that help his card values?

It’s crazy because Peyton and Gisele would make the better couple.

[jasonm2121]

I love how everyone thinks the Patriots always has the best Defense in the league.

[lesternatty]

It’s crazy because Peyton and Gisele would make the better couple.

Peyton would make her laugh so much. Tom just sits and eats salads. Gisele is probably bored out of her mind.

[jasonm2121]

It’s crazy because Peyton and Gisele would make the better couple.

Hahahahahaha , 100%!

[BostonNut]

I love how everyone thinks the Patriots always has the best Defense in the league.

Remember the bend but don’t break years? I still have hives...

[Siberian13]

Peyton would make her laugh so much. Tom just sits and eats salads. Gisele is probably bored out of her mind.

Those two could eat hay together though. Seems more boring than a salad.

[jasonm2121]

Remember the bend but don’t break years? I still have hives...

Sure do. I know Brady did terrible when he had a poor defense too, like in 2010 when he was unanimous MVP with a pretty poor team. But yea, it is all about stats only, not what makes the most sense to win. Good point though by OP. And if he even wanted to make a decent argument, he should have taken Brees, who will pass Peyton in just about everything, except perhaps interceptions and pizza, though it could be close. Brady on the other hand has about 100 less.

[jasonm2121]

Those two could eat hay together though. Seems more boring than a salad.

Would be best to see them on the red carpet at a big gala, all the stars rock dockers and a tucked in gap button down.

[JosieD]

I don’t know if they do or not. Maybe some girls collect his cards because of that. I know being marketable does increase card value. That can’t be argued. See Baker Mayfield.

Nope.

[powerwh33ls]

GOAT makes all the difference. If your the GOAT, you don’t have to be a tv personality for people to remember you. Records get broken every year....super bowl champions stay in the books forever.

[Bassplayah101]

My threads generate Buzz. I’m the Gary Vee of Blowout.

Youre something alright..but Gary Vee doesnt come to mind.

[SleeperCards]

I knew it was worth my time to keep my old eye on lesternatty.

There is something unique about him and his thread is all about investment. I'm a money guy as well, so I get all excited.

I'm going to need you to dig a little deeper on old Lester there, thanks Detective Monkey.

[jasonm2121]

Youre something alright..but Gary Vee doesnt come to mind.

Got deep in Papa John’s stock

[iwinsnatch]

I can't believe I read all of this... It's Brady as #1. It won't change ever or at least for another 25 to 35 years when his level of dominance is matched or beaten. Long term Manning is definitely a great investment, but Brady is hands down a much better investment and the absolute best investment you could make into football cards. Babe Ruth was the Tom Brady of baseball, Michael Jordan was the Tom Brady of basketball, Wayne Gretzky was the Tom Brady of hockey, and on and on... People will be comparing every qb for the next three decades to Brady. My great great great grandkids will know the name Tom Brady. This was settled back when he delivered the best performance I ever saw in Super Bowl 51. And he keeps going back to Super Bowl's!!! What Tom Brady has done with a bunch of no-name receivers and backs in his career is truly the most amazing thing about him, a sixth round draft choice who started his career as a backup has elevated every single teammate he has ever had. Peyton Manning was carried to a championship by a superb Broncos defense, Tom Brady plays on that Broncos team and they don't get crushed in Super Bowl 48.

[Fenway55]

Think if Colts had anything close to that Denver D in Peyton’s prime. It wouldn’t even have been fair. We had Dwight Freeney. That was it...
And think about Tom’s stats if he played his career indoors with that WR corps.

[blackbears86]

Why do we have these threads every month or so? Some naysayer (in this case lesternatty who sounds like a PBM by the way) comes in and states "insert player here" is better than Brady (either by saltiness or underlying motives) only to get bashed by the Blowout community.


How many more pages?

[boston12]

Why do we have these threads every month or so? Some naysayer (in this case lesternatty who sounds like a PBM by the way) comes in and states "insert player here" is better than Brady (either by saltiness or underlying motives) only to get bashed by the Blowout community.


How many more pages?

I think this guy was serious. Certainly not sane. But I think he believes it

[jasonm2121]

I can't believe I read all of this... It's Brady as #1. It won't change ever or at least for another 25 to 35 years when his level of dominance is matched or beaten. Long term Manning is definitely a great investment, but Brady is hands down a much better investment and the absolute best investment you could make into football cards. Babe Ruth was the Tom Brady of baseball, Michael Jordan was the Tom Brady of basketball, Wayne Gretzky was the Tom Brady of hockey, and on and on... People will be comparing every qb for the next three decades to Brady. My great great great grandkids will know the name Tom Brady. This was settled back when he delivered the best performance I ever saw in Super Bowl 51. And he keeps going back to Super Bowl's!!! What Tom Brady has done with a bunch of no-name receivers and backs in his career is truly the most amazing thing about him, a sixth round draft choice who started his career as a backup has elevated every single teammate he has ever had. Peyton Manning was carried to a championship by a superb Broncos defense, Tom Brady plays on that Broncos team and they don't get crushed in Super Bowl 48.

If only Manning had a Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne or Edge James. Imagine what he could have done.

[Brian48]

Only thing that matters is the rings. Brady is King and Peyton is the Jester

This.

I'm sure Marino to this day is still jealous of Montana.

[Bobbyplaza133]

"Better"

Tom Brady Postseason Records (career)
Most games played: 40
Most games started: 40
Most games won by a starting quarterback: 30
Most consecutive wins by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
Most consecutive wins to start a career by a starting quarterback: 10 (2001, 2003–2005)
Most career home wins by a starting quarterback: 20 (2001–2019)
Most consecutive home wins by a starting quarterback: 9 (2013–2019)
Most touchdown passes: 73
Most passing yards: 11,179
Most passing yards in a single playoff game: 505 (Super Bowl LII)
Most passes completed: 1,005
Most passes attempted: 1,589
Most passes intercepted: 34
Most division titles won by a starting quarterback: 16
Most NFL conference championship appearances by a starting quarterback: 13
Most NFL conference championship wins by a starting quarterback: 9
Oldest Quarterback to win an AFC title game: 41 years, 5 months, 17 days
Most career 300+ passing yard games: 16
Most game-winning drives: 13
Most multi-TD passes: 23

Tom Brady Super Bowl Records (career)
Most touchdown passes: 18
Most passing yards: 2,838
Most passes completed: 256
Most passes attempted: 392
Most wins as starting QB: 6
Most passes completed in first half of a single Super Bowl: 20 (XLIX)
Most passes completed in a single Super Bowl: 43 (LI)
Most passes attempted in a single Super Bowl: 62 (LI)
Most passing yards in a single Super Bowl: 505 (LII)
Most Super Bowl appearances: 9
Most passing attempts without an interception in a single Super Bowl: 48 (XLII & LII)
Oldest QB to start a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, 0 days
Oldest QB to win a Super Bowl: 41 years, 6 months, 0 days
Oldest player to win Super Bowl MVP: 39 years, 6 months, 2 days
Most consecutive completions in a single Super Bowl: 16 (XLVI)
Most game-winning drives: 6
Most wins as a player: 6

[SaveMeTheGum]

Troll thread of the year?

Everyone remembers OJ Simpson too...

[Dallas Cowboys]

I thought this debate was settled a few rings ago. I am not a Patriot fan, I love Manning, but I would take Brady any day over him. People forget that Manning had HOF receiver Marvin Harrison from his rookie season to most of his career. He also had Edge, plus Reggie Wayne. Brady had what a few seasons with Randy Moss and other than that a rotating cast of wide receivers? I'm old enough to remember when the Patriots weren't the most hated team in the NFL. They used to be known as the team that lost to the 1985 Bears in the Super Bowl. Look what Brady and Belicheck have done. Manning to me always seemed to play great when everything was going according to plan but when things broke down he didn't play as well. Brady is a better improviser when things break down. And I can't believe I just had to defend Tom Brady.

[chezball]

At least manning isn't a pedo.
EP_2NXe0_1g

[awz50]

Bold strategy here

[AnthonyCorona]

At least manning isn't a pedo.

EP_2NXe0_1g



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[rats60]

I can't believe I read all of this... It's Brady as #1. It won't change ever or at least for another 25 to 35 years when his level of dominance is matched or beaten. Long term Manning is definitely a great investment, but Brady is hands down a much better investment and the absolute best investment you could make into football cards. Babe Ruth was the Tom Brady of baseball, Michael Jordan was the Tom Brady of basketball, Wayne Gretzky was the Tom Brady of hockey, and on and on... People will be comparing every qb for the next three decades to Brady. My great great great grandkids will know the name Tom Brady. This was settled back when he delivered the best performance I ever saw in Super Bowl 51. And he keeps going back to Super Bowl's!!! What Tom Brady has done with a bunch of no-name receivers and backs in his career is truly the most amazing thing about him, a sixth round draft choice who started his career as a backup has elevated every single teammate he has ever had. Peyton Manning was carried to a championship by a superb Broncos defense, Tom Brady plays on that Broncos team and they don't get crushed in Super Bowl 48.

LOL. Scottie Pippen was the Tom Brady of the NBA. They both have the same number of rings and 1st team all league selections. Michael Jordan was 1st team all NBA 10 times, so he is more like the Jerry Rice of the NBA.

[rats60]

I thought this debate was settled a few rings ago. I am not a Patriot fan, I love Manning, but I would take Brady any day over him. People forget that Manning had HOF receiver Marvin Harrison from his rookie season to most of his career. He also had Edge, plus Reggie Wayne. Brady had what a few seasons with Randy Moss and other than that a rotating cast of wide receivers? I'm old enough to remember when the Patriots weren't the most hated team in the NFL. They used to be known as the team that lost to the 1985 Bears in the Super Bowl. Look what Brady and Belicheck have done. Manning to me always seemed to play great when everything was going according to plan but when things broke down he didn't play as well. Brady is a better improviser when things break down. And I can't believe I just had to defend Tom Brady.

I didn't realize the NFL was 3 on 3. I thought you needed 22 players (11 on offense, 11 on defense) plus special teams.

[BostonNut]

At least manning isn't a pedo.
EP_2NXe0_1g

You keep posting this. I think you are one of them too.

[heatdawg]

I love peyton and hate brady.

Brady is the goat.

[BostonNut]

LOL. Scottie Pippen was the Tom Brady of the NBA. They both have the same number of rings and 1st team all league selections. Michael Jordan was 1st team all NBA 10 times, so he is more like the Jerry Rice of the NBA.

There you are with your tired All-Pro argument... what took you so long? Yes it’s a bummer Brady couldn’t beat out Manning in the All Pro department. I blame the Reche Caldwell’s of the world.

[chezball]

You keep posting this. I think you are one of them too.

Only 2x, once yesterday and today. One only needs to look at your avatar to know you are one. How old is pedo tom there?

[BostonNut]

Only 2x, once yesterday and today. One only needs to look at your avatar to know you are one. How old is pedo tom there?

Believe it is his Junior Prom. Not quite 18. I guess you got me there.

[Bobbyplaza133]

At least manning isn't a pedo.
EP_2NXe0_1g

Is that something you truly believe? That he's molesting his children?

[unclemonkey]

Troll thread of the year?

Everyone remembers OJ Simpson too...


Sadly, OJ probably has more upside that Manning. Just got to find that killer...

[blackbears86]

I thought this debate was settled a few rings ago. I am not a Patriot fan, I love Manning, but I would take Brady any day over him. People forget that Manning had HOF receiver Marvin Harrison from his rookie season to most of his career. He also had Edge, plus Reggie Wayne. Brady had what a few seasons with Randy Moss and other than that a rotating cast of wide receivers? I'm old enough to remember when the Patriots weren't the most hated team in the NFL. They used to be known as the team that lost to the 1985 Bears in the Super Bowl. Look what Brady and Belicheck have done. Manning to me always seemed to play great when everything was going according to plan but when things broke down he didn't play as well. Brady is a better improviser when things break down. And I can't believe I just had to defend Tom Brady.






Brady could win the next three MVP's and Superbowls in a row and there will STILL be those who will disagree on his GOAT status to fit their own agenda or just to be contrarian for the sake of argument.

[jasonm2121]

The pick Manning tossed against NO in the SB and his amazing performance against Seattle prove how great he was when it mattered the most.

[KevJo]

Late to the thread but apples and oranges here. Both are going to be remembered as great SB winning QB's.

Kevin

[boston12]

Brady could win the next three MVP's and Superbowls in a row and there will STILL be those who will disagree on his GOAT status to fit their own agenda or just to be contrarian for the sake of argument.

This is true. If 6 rings doesn't do it, why would 7 or 8?

[imbluestreak23]

I do believe Tom Brady is more Jeter than MJ.

[ninjacookies]

I do believe Tom Brady is more Jeter than MJ.

Or Lebron. Tons of big game appearances but also a fair share of losses.


Jordan is in his own category. Not just the statistical greatness, but he completely transformed the landscape of pro sports and globalization. He has no comparison or match.

[RedSoxFan28]

I do believe Tom Brady is more Jeter than MJ.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/668a739bb0f3b0d19b5c7bf7c9634454/tenor.gif

[BostonNut]

Or Lebron. Tons of big game appearances but also a fair share of losses.


Jordan is in his own category. Not just the statistical greatness, but he completely transformed the landscape of pro sports and globalization. He has no comparison or match.

Well, I mean...when you get there so many times of course you are going to lose a couple. MJ only got there six times...

Brady has been to NINE straight AFCCG...compare that...

[Brobocop]

Or Lebron. Tons of big game appearances but also a fair share of losses.


Jordan is in his own category. Not just the statistical greatness, but he completely transformed the landscape of pro sports and globalization. He has no comparison or match.

The logic of “You’re not that good if you make it to the big game and lose.” has always been dumb to me. I’ll never understand why some people, and I’m not saying you’re saying this, think that making it to a championship when losing is worse than not making it at all.

[nepatsfan12dt]

The logic of “You’re not that good if you make it to the big game and lose.” has always been dumb to me. I’ll never understand why some people, and I’m not saying you’re saying this, think that making it to a championship when losing is worse than not making it at all.

Never understood that argument either. If these guys don't make it to the super bowl, they lose prior. It's not a draw out of a hat to see who goes.

[Bobbyplaza133]

The logic of “You’re not that good if you make it to the big game and lose.” has always been dumb to me. I’ll never understand why some people, and I’m not saying you’re saying this, think that making it to a championship when losing is worse than not making it at all.

That argument only seemed to apply to Lebron in the Jordan debate. It was what was used against him. It is extremely dumb. As a fan I'd love for my team to make it there and as a player I'm sure they do to. Not to mention a lot who get performance bonuses for making it there.

Never understood that argument either. If these guys don't make it to the super bowl, they lose prior. It's not a draw out of a hat to see who goes.

Completely agree.

JoE MoNtAiNyA nEvEr LoSt A sUpEr BoWl.

Yeah that just means he lost a lot more trying to get there. DERP

[21Pittsburgh58]

I'm surprised this isn't at 100 pages yet. That being said ...

Tom Brady is the G.O.A.T.

At least until Mason Rudolph starts his run with the Steelers. Oh, the amount of threads I will start then. One, it will probably be one thread.

[ninjacookies]

The logic of “You’re not that good if you make it to the big game and lose.” has always been dumb to me. I’ll never understand why some people, and I’m not saying you’re saying this, think that making it to a championship when losing is worse than not making it at all.

I understand different people have different perspectives.

I just think Jordan is in his own special realm. Unbeaten on the biggest stage and revolutionized professional sports, including pioneering lucrative endorsement deals. It's not like 6 appearances was a small sample size, either. Everyone just knew that when he got there...nobody was beating him, regardless how well the competition played. God tier. Like...there's really no comparison to him and his overall body of work in professional sports.

Just my opinion.

[Archangel1775]

Only thing that matters is the rings. Brady is King and Peyton is the Jester

The reaction I had from the OP's statement is the same as I had with this statement.

[dacaptain37]

The pick Manning tossed against NO in the SB and his amazing performance against Seattle prove how great he was when it mattered the most.

let's take a step back there man... reggie wayne ran the wrong route when manning threw that pick against new orleans....supposed to be an in route where he cuts in front of the linebacker which manning anticipated...instead he took it up field 2-3 more yards. and blaming the seattle game on him is just ridiculous... first play from scrimmage the ball is snapped 5 feet over his head into the end zone... that game was doomed from the start, and seattles defensive line completely dominated denver's oline all game. Nevermind the fact that denver's wide receives could not get open against seattle's amazing secondary

I'm not going to sit here and debate brady and manning because there is no debate, but blaming the super bowl losses on him is absurd. Mine as well blame the eagles super bowl loss on brady then because he fumbled at the end of the game when they had a shot to win :doh:

[LC2nine10]

That argument only seemed to apply to Lebron in the Jordan debate. It was what was used against him. It is extremely dumb. As a fan I'd love for my team to make it there and as a player I'm sure they do to. Not to mention a lot who get performance bonuses for making it there.



Completely agree.

JoE MoNtAiNyA nEvEr LoSt A sUpEr BoWl.

Yeah that just means he lost a lot more trying to get there. DERP

Also, bronbron was coming out of the weak ass east.
If he had been out west, thosr trips wouldnt have happened.

[Fenway55]

let's take a step back there man... reggie wayne ran the wrong route when manning threw that pick against new orleans....supposed to be an in route where he cuts in front of the linebacker which manning anticipated...nstead he took it up field 2-3 more yards. and blaming the seattle game on him is just ridiculous... first play from scrimmage the ball is snapped 5 feet over his head into the end zone... that game was doomed from the start, and seattles defensive line completely dominated denver's oline all game. Nevermind the fact that denver's wide receives could not get open against seattle's amazing secondarylol!! Yeah yeah it’s all always someone *else’s* fault where Manning is concerned....

[mc1]

Well, I mean...when you get there so many times of course you are going to lose a couple. MJ only got there six times...

Brady has been to NINE straight AFCCG...compare that...

Would have been 8 titles in a row. Blame the retirement/suspension.:)!

[Siberian13]

At least manning isn't a pedo.
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[jasonm2121]

let's take a step back there man... reggie wayne ran the wrong route when manning threw that pick against new orleans....supposed to be an in route where he cuts in front of the linebacker which manning anticipated...instead he took it up field 2-3 more yards. and blaming the seattle game on him is just ridiculous... first play from scrimmage the ball is snapped 5 feet over his head into the end zone... that game was doomed from the start, and seattles defensive line completely dominated denver's oline all game. Nevermind the fact that denver's wide receives could not get open against seattle's amazing secondary

I'm not going to sit here and debate brady and manning because there is no debate, but blaming the super bowl losses on him is absurd. Mine as well blame the eagles super bowl loss on brady then because he fumbled at the end of the game when they had a shot to win :doh:

The point of any statement like that is to show how the narratives play for these two players. Example, Brady leaves the field with the lead in his first two SB losses and majority will say he lost the games, basically because he did not blow either Giants team out. But he actually did his job for the most part and put his team in a very good position to win those games. If Brady tossed a return pick late in a SB that lost a game, it would be discussed much differently than the way you just responded to Manning's interception.

[Fenway55]

Would have been 8 titles in a row. Blame the retirement/suspension.:)!
The second you start playing the woulda/coulda/shoulda game, you just lost the argument.

[ninjacookies]

The second you start playing the woulda/coulda/shoulda game, you just lost the argument.

Thankfully Jordan doesn't need the coulda woulda game...because he's undefeated on the biggest stage and was the best in the game throughout his entire career. :)! (except for the Wizards)

[BostonNut]

Thankfully Jordan doesn't need the coulda woulda game...because he's undefeated on the biggest stage and was the best in the game throughout his entire career. :)! (except for the Wizards)

Jordan only got there six times...when he gets there nine then we can compare.

[ninjacookies]

Jordan only got there six times...when he gets there nine then we can compare.

Negative, chief.


Brady started out his career 3-2 in the Bowl. He was well out of the Jordan discussion before he even entered his 6th, 7th, or subsequent appearance.

I'm not even going to get into the perfect Finals MVP record, either.

Additionally; quality over quantity.

[Stifle]

once Tom hangs up the pads people will forget Brady

Yes People forgot all about that guy named Mantle and Ruth, Some Guy named Jordan or something used to be a good basketball player. I heard there used to be some guy named petty or something that could drive fast.

Is that why Jordan made just under $140 Million on his shoes last year, people forgot him and his shoe line?
Does that candy bar Baby Ruth still exist?
Isn't Mantle still one of the Pinnacle cards of all Rookies to locate and his threads are constantly on Blowout?
Brady is still going strong and after this first game of taking the Steelers behind the woodshed, and having what could be a Gronk return, his best and maybe one of NFL's best receiving corp ever?

[mainelobster]

Negative, chief.


Brady started out his career 3-2 in the Bowl. He was well out of the Jordan discussion before he even entered his 6th, 7th, or subsequent appearance.

I'm not even going to get into the perfect Finals MVP record, either.

Additionally; quality over quantity.

Don't get me wrong, Jordan is the GOAT of basketball. Miss watching him play. But he also became mortal and fell off a cliff at the same age or prior to other basketball players. Brady is still one of, if not the best qb in the game when considering all intangibles, at an age where no other player in NFL history even had slight success. Guy's a freak.

Hope he stays healthy and makes another run!

[ninjacookies]

Don't get me wrong, Jordan is the GOAT of basketball. Miss watching him play. But he also became mortal and fell off a cliff at the same age or prior to other basketball players. Brady is still one of, if not the best qb in the game when considering all intangibles, at an age where no other player in NFL history even had slight success. Guy's a freak.

Hope he stays healthy and makes another run!

For sure, there's no doubting his consistency or longevity. It's unmatched in all of sports. Without a doubt the best qb of this generation, and it's not even close.

But I think there's more parallels to be drawn between Brady and Lebron than Brady and Jordan. Lebron is entering his 17th season and could have averaged a triple double last year. Both players aren't necessarily the top scorers year in and year out, but have the gifted ability to make those around them better, even with inferior talent. It doesn't hurt that he has one of the best, if not the best coach in the history of the game either. Having that kind of stability in your system can only help.

I guess it's hindsight as well, but how many of the players from this era will be all-time greats. Free agency has changed pro sports for good. Dynasties are almost a thing of the past. Jordan was playing against majority of the Top 50 guys in their primes...back when the Knicks, Pacers, Lakers, Pistons, Spurs, Rockets, Utah, and Blazers all had long standing powerhouse teams that would have won if Jordan wasn't there to cockblock the league.

[Siberian13]

Don't get me wrong, Jordan is the GOAT of basketball. Miss watching him play. But he also became mortal and fell off a cliff at the same age or prior to other basketball players. Brady is still one of, if not the best qb in the game when considering all intangibles, at an age where no other player in NFL history even had slight success. Guy's a freak.

Hope he stays healthy and makes another run!

Game has changed a lot to allow that to happen though. You can barely touch these guys. We will see more QBs play longer due to being so protected.

[BostonNut]

Game has changed a lot to allow that to happen though. You can barely touch these guys. We will see more QBs play longer due to being so protected.

Exactly...I can’t imagine a young stud QB would retire this day in age because he is in so much pain...

[mc1]

The second you start playing the woulda/coulda/shoulda game, you just lost the argument.

Jordan never lost, fact.
Brady lost to the Manning with special needs. Twice.

[Bobbyplaza133]

Jordan never lost, fact.
Brady lost to the Manning with special needs. Twice.

Jordan lost a lot. He didn't go to the Finals every year he was in the league

[SaveMeTheGum]

Jordan never lost, fact.
Brady lost to the Manning with special needs. Twice.

Jordan also quit on his team/sport for a couple years.

[boston12]

Can someone who thinks Brady isn’t the greatest please confirm ring 7 or 8 won’t change your mind?

[rats60]

Is that why Jordan made just under $140 Million on his shoes last year, people forgot him and his shoe line?
Does that candy bar Baby Ruth still exist?
Isn't Mantle still one of the Pinnacle cards of all Rookies to locate and his threads are constantly on Blowout?
Brady is still going strong and after this first game of taking the Steelers behind the woodshed, and having what could be a Gronk return, his best and maybe one of NFL's best receiving corp ever?

But when you are the Yogi Berra of the NFL, they will forget you. Being one of the best players on a loaded team can only get you so far, just ask Bill Russell.

[rats60]

Can someone who thinks Brady isn’t the greatest please confirm ring 7 or 8 won’t change your mind?

Robert Horry has 7 rings, is he the NBA goat instead of Jordan? When Brady makes is 1st team All Pro for the 7th time, then you argue he is goat. He is competing against Jerry Rice 10 time 1st team all pro and Jim Brown 8 time 1st team all pro in 9 seasons. Your only argument is rings and post season/Super Bowl records for playing in the most games. That is what Yogi Berra did and no one would call him the goat over Babe Ruth.

[Patsguy5000]

I will trade all my Manning Rookie cards for your Brady’s straight up?

[boston12]

Robert Horry has 7 rings, is he the NBA goat instead of Jordan? When Brady makes is 1st team All Pro for the 7th time, then you argue he is goat. He is competing against Jerry Rice 10 time 1st team all pro and Jim Brown 8 time 1st team all pro in 9 seasons. Your only argument is rings and post season/Super Bowl records for playing in the most games. That is what Yogi Berra did and no one would call him the goat over Babe Ruth.

Thanks just wanted to confirm.

[BostonNut]

Robert Horry has 7 rings, is he the NBA goat instead of Jordan? When Brady makes is 1st team All Pro for the 7th time, then you argue he is goat. He is competing against Jerry Rice 10 time 1st team all pro and Jim Brown 8 time 1st team all pro in 9 seasons. Your only argument is rings and post season/Super Bowl records for playing in the most games. That is what Yogi Berra did and no one would call him the goat over Babe Ruth.

So who is the GOAT QB then?

[boston12]

So who is the GOAT QB then?

Don’t even bother. Can you imagine hearing this guy engage in any sort of conversation in life? “The sky is blue”. “ well actually....”

[BostonNut]

Don’t even bother. Can you imagine hearing this guy engage in any sort of conversation in life? “The sky is blue”. “ well actually....”

The sky only has two All-Pros...

[Bobbyplaza133]

Robert Horry has 7 rings, is he the NBA goat instead of Jordan? When Brady makes is 1st team All Pro for the 7th time, then you argue he is goat. He is competing against Jerry Rice 10 time 1st team all pro and Jim Brown 8 time 1st team all pro in 9 seasons. Your only argument is rings and post season/Super Bowl records for playing in the most games. That is what Yogi Berra did and no one would call him the goat over Babe Ruth.

Did.... did you just bring up Robert Horry in regards to Tom Brady as an argument?

[jasonm2121]

LOL at the Jordan never lost. He lost plenty of games. You just get 7 chances in the NBA.

[rats60]

So who is the GOAT QB then?

If you want to call Brady the goat QB, knock yourself out.

[Blamo]

Manning is definitely better. Just in terms of remembering the Budweiser ad reads he is supposed to do during post Superbowl interviews.

[mc1]

LOL at the Jordan never lost. He lost plenty of games. You just get 7 chances in the NBA.

In the Finals series:doh:

Inference, guess they don’t teach that anymore to you kids.

[BostonNut]

If you want to call Brady the goat QB, knock yourself out.

Can’t answer the question?

[cking]

So who is the GOAT QB then?

Mark Sanchez

[BostonNut]

Mark Sanchez

I can get behind that.

[Lothar52]

Didnt Manning fart in the face of his collegiate athletic trainer??? Am I missing something here??

[Stifle]

Robert Horry has 7 rings, is he the NBA goat instead of Jordan? When Brady makes is 1st team All Pro for the 7th time, then you argue he is goat. He is competing against Jerry Rice 10 time 1st team all pro and Jim Brown 8 time 1st team all pro in 9 seasons. Your only argument is rings and post season/Super Bowl records for playing in the most games. That is what Yogi Berra did and no one would call him the goat over Babe Ruth.

How many MVP's of those championships games / series did Horry, Berra and Haley combine for?

Brady will again be this decades top QB again.