***Official 2019-2020 Detroit Red Wings Season Thread***

[Eckstein197]

Well season starts next week, lots of question marks still to be answered for this team. Will they break camp with a lot of the youngsters? Who will be exposed to waivers? Should be an interesting season with seemingly more downs than ups, but excited to see what the young players can do.

My official prediction:

36-35-10 for a total of 82 points, 6th in the division

[hairysasquatch]

I hope Stevie was right on the German defenseman. Going to need a #1 goalie soon, too.

[Eckstein197]

I hope Stevie was right on the German defenseman. Going to need a #1 goalie soon, too.

Reports say he seems to be extremely comfortable, I'm really excited for him whether he makes his debut this year or in the coming years. Think I'll go after his cards pretty hard

[CB Nostalgia]

I think Holland’s final decision to draft Zadina over Q. Hughes will haunt this team for years.

[JustinTime42]

Prediction for the season. Bottom 5-10. Finally get a Top 3 pick. The young guys take a huge leap and in 2 seasons we are the playoffs

[Riverdome]

I hope Stevie was right on the German defenseman. Going to need a #1 goalie soon, too.

He looked very good in Traverse City. Let him start the year in GR and see what happens. I would like him to spend most of the year in GR and then play the last dozen games up in Detroit. Gives him something to work for and yet a taste of the NHL.

[Eckstein197]

I think Holland’s final decision to draft Zadina over Q. Hughes will haunt this team for years.

Why? Zadina was a more highly rated prospect and both have barely started their pro careers

[CB Nostalgia]

Why? Zadina was a more highly rated prospect and both have barely started their pro careers

Game breaking defenseman are harder to find in the draft, via trade or free agency in comparison to wingers. Wingers are a dime a dozen. For a team that has been terrible at drafting defenseman for years and has a glaring need, the pick didn’t make any sense.

[Eckstein197]

Larkin with an absolute rocket! This game will come down to the wire it looks like

[Eckstein197]

Great first win!! Big win to start the year in Nashville. Bertuzzi played great, Mantha and Larkin were on point. Quality start let’s go

[JMarchand1981]

The NHL is better when the red wings are a contender.

[oldgoldy97]

This year the Wings will be 10 points better than the Wild.

[hairysasquatch]

I believie in Stevie.

[Eckstein197]

Tip your caps, Mantha has a hat trick!

[Eckstein197]

Mantha joins John Sorrell (1933) to be the only Red Wings to have 4 goals in a home opener.

What a win! 2-0 to start the season and 2 quality wins!

[redwingsfan11]

My goodness, Mantha with 4 goals. That is probably the best home opener I've managed to see. I know it will temper down over time, but I love how he is progressing as our go to goal scorer.

[Eckstein197]

Home game versus the Ducks tonight, really like the puck line at +220

[hairysasquatch]

Red Wings! My Red Wings! C'mon, c'mon, c'mon Red Wings - LET'S FLY!

[Eckstein197]

Tough loss last night, the Larkin goal taken back really killed the momentum and swung the game

[Devi8or]

Tough loss last night, the Larkin goal taken back really killed the momentum and swung the game

Yeah, they went from up 2-1 to down 3-1 in a matter of minutes.....was sad to see

[Starman101]

The Larkin goal taken back really killed the momentum and swung the game

Yes agree that was the turning point

Lets gear up for Montreal tonight!!

[Eckstein197]

Yes agree that was the turning point

Lets gear up for Montreal tonight!!

Playing Carey Price, should be a good game!

[Eckstein197]

Another good win! Quality team win, Mantha is looking so good. Defense played pretty good, with this young defense we are going to see some really nice games combined with some absolutely crappy games. Tonight was a good one. Anytime you can beat Price is a good time

[CB Nostalgia]

Where do you guys predict Mantha's Young Gun will sell by the end of the season? Was selling in the $5 range during preseason and now its around $15-$20 after his hot start. I've been sitting on a stack of them for years.

[Starman101]

Mantha is very impressive and continued to dominate since the end of last season

I LOVE the fact he plays right wing with lefty shot so he is able to release those nasty one timers from his natural side instead of being fed the puck to his backhand on the pp (big pet peave of mine)

But if I had to pick one player who I'm probably most impressed with up to this point....

Cholowski

Having a defenseman who knows how to run a power play is what Wings have sorely lacked since Lidstrom retired

After all is said and done I think Cholowski may actually have an even better career than Seider

[Eckstein197]

Where do you guys predict Mantha's Young Gun will sell by the end of the season? Was selling in the $5 range during preseason and now its around $15-$20 after his hot start. I've been sitting on a stack of them for years.

Probably in the 40-50 range if he has the type of breakout season he's capable of/we believe he is capable of

[Eckstein197]

Mantha is very impressive and continued to dominate since the end of last season

I LOVE the fact he plays right wing with lefty shot so he is able to release those nasty one timers from his natural side instead of being fed the puck to his backhand on the pp (big pet peave of mine)

But if I had to pick one player who I'm probably most impressed with up to this point....

Cholowski

Having a defenseman who knows how to run a power play is what Wings have sorely lacked since Lidstrom retired

After all is said and done I think Cholowski may actually have an even better career than Seider

I'm a big fan of Cholowski so it's really nice seeing him have a great start to the season. Cholowski/Seider might be a really good future #1 defensive pairing for the next decade and I'm ready for it

[Starman101]

I'm a big fan of Cholowski so it's really nice seeing him have a great start to the season. Cholowski/Seider might be a really good future #1 defensive pairing for the next decade and I'm ready for it

Agreed 100% :)!:)!:)!

[Eckstein197]

Hirose is the only guy with a YG in Series 1 for the Wings

[valleynuckfan]

Was at the Canucks/Wings game last night- Yikes! Gonna be a hurtin' season for Detroit and their fans I think.
The Wings need a lot of help on D for sure. Bernier wasn't sharp in the least in goal..
Larkin looked on his game, and Mantha was a bit of a force, but zero finish except for setting up the first goal. Darren Helm was skating, as was Bertuzzi and Athanasiou, but they seemed a bit overwhelmed at times and out of position. Detroit's breakout was weak- but on par with their D corps I suppose.....
Adam Erne? What a clown! Why is this tool even out there? The Canucks basically had their way physically with the Wings and what does this knob contribute? He jumps into a scrum and headlocks 6'8" Tyler Myers while rolling around on the ice, then turtles when Myers gives him a little gloved shot to the face. 10 minutes later he elbows 5'10' Troy Stecher in the face away from the play- a guy that Erne has 3-4" and about 40 lbs. on. Classic- Sean Avery with zero skills!
I have to say that the Bulldog- Alex Biega- looked mighty fine in Red Wing's colours. We will miss him and his tenacious game.

[Eckstein197]

Was at the Canucks/Wings game last night- Yikes! Gonna be a hurtin' season for Detroit and their fans I think.
The Wings need a lot of help on D for sure. Bernier wasn't sharp in the least in goal..
Larkin looked on his game, and Mantha was a bit of a force, but zero finish except for setting up the first goal. Darren Helm was skating, as was Bertuzzi and Athanasiou, but they seemed a bit overwhelmed at times and out of position. Detroit's breakout was weak- but on par with their D corps I suppose.....
Adam Erne? What a clown! Why is this tool even out there? The Canucks basically had their way physically with the Wings and what does this knob contribute? He jumps into a scrum and headlocks 6'8" Tyler Myers while rolling around on the ice, then turtles when Myers gives him a little gloved shot to the face. 10 minutes later he elbows 5'10' Troy Stecher in the face away from the play- a guy that Erne has 3-4" and about 40 lbs. on. Classic- Sean Avery with zero skills!
I have to say that the Bulldog- Alex Biega- looked mighty fine in Red Wing's colours. We will miss him and his tenacious game.

We all expected a struggling season, that wouldn't be a surprise. Their current quality play besides this game has actually been quite surprising.
Erne is really only there until the prospects are ready.

Also Sean Avery was a great pest. A guy you only love if he's on your team

[valleynuckfan]

Also Sean Avery was a great pest. A guy you only love if he's on your team
I will concede that Avery had some very decent skills to go with his pain-in-the-ass game style.
Much like Matt Cooke was here in Van back in the day- loved by the hometown crowd and despised elsewhere.

[Eckstein197]

I'm glad the Red Wings are away from the Canadien west coast. Absolutely dreadful 4 game losing streak. Glad they are back home now and hopefully can reset

[Starman101]

I'm glad the Red Wings are away from the Canadien west coast. Absolutely dreadful 4 game losing streak. Glad they are back home now and hopefully can reset

Man you said it

They have looked absolutely atrocious out there past few games

What I've also noticed is how Western Conference teams definately seem more tight checking and defensive orientated than the Eastern Conference as a whole

Wings look out of sink offensively but will not go anywhere if they do not take care of their own zone, no matter how many goals they score as they never appear safe even with a lead

Great defense leads to great offense

And nobody knows this more than Stevie Y

[valleynuckfan]

Rematch vs the Canucks tonight.
Wings were terrible last week in that 5-1 beatdown- hope they pick it up a bit for the sake of us Van fans watching on TV.
I expect them to be better at home- last change, crowd noise and all that....

[Eckstein197]

Well the game was good for the first 2 periods. Then yikes

Rebound in Ottawa tonight, going to be a high scoring game

[valleynuckfan]

Well the game was good for the first 2 periods. Then yikes....

Wings played a strong game for the first half- of course they only scored during 5 on 3 and 4 on 3 power plays. Overall they showed much better than last week's tilt. Then Vancouver showed up.
I really liked Mantha's game again, and AA showed some moves. Larkin was solid as well. Bertuzzi worked hard.
And this Hirose kid- wow! He's quite impressive.
And Hronek on D played a pretty good game as well.
Cholowski- good Langley boy from the neighbourhood- finally gets his first.
But Detroit just couldn't keep up the pace- was an exciting game from my perspective though. A solid comeback for the 'Nucks.

[hairysasquatch]

A brutal stretch. :(

[CB Nostalgia]

No one on this roster should be "safe". Truly mediocre from coaching down. The worst part being, this franchise is the worst that its been in nearly thirty years and the draft rules have been changed to prevent bad teams from gathering top picks. We'll probably draft 5-8 again.

[hairysasquatch]

Looking like a return to the 1970s/early 1980s. :(

[Eckstein197]

No one on this roster should be "safe". Truly mediocre from coaching down. The worst part being, this franchise is the worst that its been in nearly thirty years and the draft rules have been changed to prevent bad teams from gathering top picks. We'll probably draft 5-8 again.

I mean that's just false. Most guys aren't safe, but there are a few guys who are really good that will be here for a long time. Larkin and Mantha are monsters, AA and Hirose are really good youngsters. Hronek and Cholowski are 2 good young defensemen. Pretty much all of the older guys should be gone but they are just waiting out their contracts

[Eckstein197]

Looking like a return to the 1970s/early 1980s. :(

It sucks, but the dominant stretch couldn't last forever. Stevie Y in control now, it'll take a few years to figure everything out, but I believe in him

[Eckstein197]

Also Jonathan Ericsson was put on waivers, ending a very disappointing career for him.

[hairysasquatch]

It sucks, but the dominant stretch couldn't last forever. Stevie Y in control now, it'll take a few years to figure everything out, but I believe in him

May need to go back to the tiny winged wheel on the jersey to pay homage to the Dead Things era. This is turrible....

[tier1dc]

‘The Russian Five’: NBC Sports Sets TV Premiere For Docu On First Russians To Play Together In NHL
(https://deadline.com/2019/10/the-russian-five-tv-premiere-date-nbcsn-nbc-sports-documentary-detroit-red-wings-1202773205/)

[Eckstein197]

This team is so bad

[base set]

‘The Russian Five’: NBC Sports Sets TV Premiere For Docu On First Russians To Play Together In NHL
(https://deadline.com/2019/10/the-russian-five-tv-premiere-date-nbcsn-nbc-sports-documentary-detroit-red-wings-1202773205/)

this looks very interesting, looking forward to this. plus will still have beers left to finish. seems like a good idea for a nice little subset of ... cards? I figure that has been done already, but hey, let's do it again.

This team is so bad

showing a little life here in the 2nd. Power Play coming now...

[base set]

this looks very interesting, looking forward to this. plus will still have beers left to finish. seems like a good idea for a nice little subset of ... cards? I figure that has been done already, but hey, let's do it again.

the team behind this Russian Five doc could make the obvious sequel: the year the Red Wings won the Olympic Gold Medal. That was pretty awesome, and I say that as a Finlander, even.


showing a little life here in the 2nd. Power Play coming now...

err, well, short-handed opposing goal. now back to being crappy.

[base set]

‘The Russian Five’: NBC Sports Sets TV Premiere For Docu On First Russians To Play Together In NHL
(https://deadline.com/2019/10/the-russian-five-tv-premiere-date-nbcsn-nbc-sports-documentary-detroit-red-wings-1202773205/)

This was a highly enjoyable watch. It made me want to get on eBay and search for 90s Wings season highlight DVDs. Almost. Seeing the steps of The Joe several times too...my life changed on those steps.

Was surprised but shouldn’t have been by how much I heard from Dave Strader and some from Mickey too. Kinda makes me wanna stop by the bar in Engadine & Naubinway when I pass through later on. But the Wings are at home tomorrow so probably not.


Mostly when on the ice last night I tried to watch #3 - that’s Biega, right? Will probably do the same next time too.

[hairysasquatch]

Last place. Awful.

[base set]

OK, New Guy with the 2 surgically repaired knees that the weaselly guy on NBC says will be too slow now...we’re playing the Conference champions tonight. You’ll be on the Power Play unit. Got it?

[Eckstein197]

Red Wings showing a little bit of fight recently with a 3 game win streak. Team is playing with fire right now and the trade for Robby Fabbri has already paid dividends.

These are the types of trades I love as a team currently in the cellar. Yzerman is taking flyers on disgruntled former 1st rounders with a talent pedigree and you do that enough and you'll hit. De la Rose was never going to be more than a 4th line type of guy so getting a guy with talent like Fabbri was great

[hairysasquatch]

Red Wings showing a little bit of fight recently with a 3 game win streak. Team is playing with fire right now and the trade for Robby Fabbri has already paid dividends.

These are the types of trades I love as a team currently in the cellar. Yzerman is taking flyers on disgruntled former 1st rounders with a talent pedigree and you do that enough and you'll hit. De la Rose was never going to be more than a 4th line type of guy so getting a guy with talent like Fabbri was great

Hope his knees hold up! I guess this is going to take longer than I thought. But at least it's not a Lions-like situation where hope is utterly unwarranted.

[CB Nostalgia]

This has been the MO for this team for a few years now. Just good enough not to finish with a top lottery pick. The Fabbri trade is great for the future but this team needs a real injection of talent that can only happen with surefire, blue chip prospects. A level above Zadina and Seider.

Even with the win streak I hope Yzerman sees the writing on the wall and has a firesale at the trade deadline. Anyone under 25 that can be moved, should be moved. Anyone that might "steal" a game or two down the stretch should be moved.

[Eckstein197]

This has been the MO for this team for a few years now. Just good enough not to finish with a top lottery pick. The Fabbri trade is great for the future but this team needs a real injection of talent that can only happen with surefire, blue chip prospects. A level above Zadina and Seider.

Even with the win streak I hope Yzerman sees the writing on the wall and has a firesale at the trade deadline. Anyone under 25 that can be moved, should be moved. Anyone that might "steal" a game or two down the stretch should be moved.

With the draft lottery it's a real crapshoot. Yes you have better odds the worse you are, but the odds still aren't that good. Who knows, maybe stealing a game lands you in the 6 slot that ends up winning the lottery.

Also getting rid of everyone under 25 that can be moved makes absolutely zero sense. If you have a quality player at age 23 then ideally he's a part of the next core. Larkin is a great young player, so you're saying trade him because he might steal a few games? You just can't get rid of all the good young players. I'm hoping you meant over 25.

[hairysasquatch]

Turrible. :(

[hairysasquatch]

In free fall. Cratering. How much lower is rock bottom?

[Eckstein197]

Was at the game today, red wings definitely outplayed the flyers through the first 2 periods. Wings just couldn’t finish a period. And then Pickard collapsed early in the 3rd and that was all she wrote

Mantha out for a few more weeks, Howard hurt his groin. Going to be the worst team this year but hey just hope for a first overall pick for Askarov or Lafrenerie

[hairysasquatch]

Sound effect for Red Wings season discovered in 1980s C64 video game "Impossible Mission" (wait for it...):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0U6h5mvr9E

[Eckstein197]

I don’t know why Blashill isn’t playing Zadina more. Zadina sets up the goal halfway into the second last game, and then for the rest of the period (10.5 minutes) he didn’t see the ice. What the heck is that??

[hairysasquatch]

I don’t know why Blashill isn’t playing Zadina more. Zadina sets up the goal halfway into the second last game, and then for the rest of the period (10.5 minutes) he didn’t see the ice. What the heck is that??

Tanking? These guys may not manage 50 points this season. :(

[Eckstein197]

Tanking? These guys may not manage 50 points this season. :(

Yes they certainly want to tank but a part of tanking is making sure you give your young guys time to improve. Getting benched for helping score a power play goal would be absolutely ridiculous and doesn't send a good message

[Eckstein197]

The streak is over!! What a game by Zadina and Hronek

[Eckstein197]

Back to back wins, team is showing some fight. Nice to see a little success especially with the young guys like Zadina

[Starman101]

The Wings #1 Problem is DEFENSE

If you keep pucks out of your net you dont need to score as many goals

Wings need how to learn how keep GA under 2 goals a game

Even when Wings have 3 goal leads I have 0 confidence.in their ability to close out other teams to get the win

Once that is addressed the scoring will come and wins will follow

Wings had same issues in early 90s and Scotty Bowman employed the left wing lock

2 years later they went 62-10 and 4 years later won 2 cups

Nobody knows this more than Yzerman

This team will turn it around when there is a commitment to team defense

Yzerman will get it done

[DegaBama]

Defense is by far the biggest need and Yzerman already proved how much it is with the draft.

Of course if they get the top pick, we all know they will go with Lafriene. Then, one more year of stinking, let the bad contracts fall off, and then start making splashes in FA again.

[Eckstein197]

Yeah defense is certainly the biggest need, lots of youth though currently. Hronek is turning into a really good defensemen with star potential. Sender is dominating world juniors and having a decent AHL season. He could be the next best defensemen for this team.

Then we just gotta hope Cholowski or another prospect turns into a solid second line Dman

I think the wings will need to replenish the goalie depth. They have basically no goalie prospects and no youth at all.

Obviously I hope they land Lafreniere, but if they miss on him and land like 4th, I’d love it if they took Asgarov the Russian goalie prospect

[Eckstein197]

Defense is by far the biggest need and Yzerman already proved how much it is with the draft.

Of course if they get the top pick, we all know they will go with Lafriene. Then, one more year of stinking, let the bad contracts fall off, and then start making splashes in FA again.

Yeah prepare for this team to suck next year too. Need to just let all the terrible contracts go away

[hairysasquatch]

Goaltending is a massive black hole in the organization right now.
If they are this awful and only suck for one more year that would be miraculous.

[Eckstein197]

Goaltending is a massive black hole in the organization right now.
If they are this awful and only suck for one more year that would be miraculous.

Oh I definitely think they’ll be bad for 2-3 more years, I just think next year will be this bad again. In 2 years I think they’ll have made enough strides to not be an absolutely miserable team

[Eckstein197]

Ending the decade with a shutout win is always nice! Here’s hoping the 2020’s are a good decade for the Wings. I know the early years will be bad but they’ll get through this

[Starman101]

Wings blow a 2 goal lead last night and allow 4 unanswered goals in a 4-2 loss

They either a) blow leads or b) fall behind early which allows the opposing team to play keep away for the rest of the game

Every game is either a or b

Same story every game

See my prior post regarding team defense

[Eckstein197]

Zadina with the game winner last night. He's looking so good recently, really excited to see his progression

[hairysasquatch]

Isles mopped up the floor with Wings.

Not clear we have even hit bottom yet.

:(

[hairysasquatch]

Will Steve Y hire freshly-canned Gerard G to assume the reins?

[MIRRABB]

Isles mopped up the floor with Wings.

Not clear we have even hit bottom yet.

:(

Bottom is good. Need to have the best chance at Lafreniere, then go from there.

[Eckstein197]

Will Steve Y hire freshly-canned Gerard G to assume the reins?

I wanna say yes but this roster is far from being good so probably best to keep tanking. But I say go get the quality coach

[CB Nostalgia]

Hiring Gallant isn't going to change the tank. More than likely we're going to get 4th overall due to the odds not being in our favor. I personally would have canned Blashill months ago because I think hes a mediocre coach and I am tired of the fan base accepting mediocre results or performances based on liking a guy (Howard) or Michigan ties (half the team, including the coach.

A new voice isn't the worst thing in the world and it shows that there is some sort of accountability behind a historically bad performance by this team. Firing Blashill and waiving Howard should be done this week.

[Starman101]

I too think its time for Blashill to go

I agree with Gallant as a fitting replacement given his tenure as a Wing and long history with Yzernan

When a team performs this poorly its almost as if they're not even showing up to play

I mean these games arent even close. Theyre blowouts with no effort made on defense at all

And Manthas return will not change this

Last night's loss to the Isles was downright humiliation and Wings need a change for the sake of our young players

Its beyond being fragile at this point. Nobody cares what Blashill says anymore and it shows

But before Blashill please get of Green asap

Hes just downright awful

[Eckstein197]

Hiring Gallant isn't going to change the tank. More than likely we're going to get 4th overall due to the odds not being in our favor. I personally would have canned Blashill months ago because I think hes a mediocre coach and I am tired of the fan base accepting mediocre results or performances based on liking a guy (Howard) or Michigan ties (half the team, including the coach.

A new voice isn't the worst thing in the world and it shows that there is some sort of accountability behind a historically bad performance by this team. Firing Blashill and waiving Howard should be done this week.

The Red Wings have the best odds. Yes it's not a guarantee but compared to every other team, the odds are better than each team individually.

Blashill is still coaching because he's pretty bad so it keeps the tank going. Also there's no point in waiving Howard because just let him finish out the season. He's been a long time player and there's a fine line between waiving a player that's terrible and not showing respect to a long term player for the team. Losing hurts a locker room but getting rid of a respected veteran and long time member of the team during a terrible season can be very disrespectful. He's not the main reason why they're so bad this year. He's a reason but not the main reason. He's just one in a vast array of bad reasons.
Firing Blashill now versus at the end of the year is still showing accountability. There's zero point in having this team win this year, just have to endure the tank

Now if they fire him for a really good coach like Gallant, that makes sense. Firing him with no idea who's going to take over is misguided because just let him finish out the year. He knows he will be gone

[Eckstein197]

I too think its time for Blashill to go

I agree with Gallant as a fitting replacement given his tenure as a Wing and long history with Yzernan

When a team performs this poorly its almost as if they're not even showing up to play

I mean these games arent even close. Theyre blowouts with no effort made on defense at all

And Manthas return will not change this

Last night's loss to the Isles was downright humiliation and Wings need a change for the sake of our young players

Its beyond being fragile at this point. Nobody cares what Blashill says anymore and it shows

But before Blashill please get of Green asap

Hes just downright awful

What does getting rid of Green do? What AHL defensemen have proven they're ready for the big league? Cholowski had to be sent down because he was playing bad. Seider is potentially ready but why burn a year of his entry level contract? He'll play his 9 games at the end of the season to save the contract.

Yes Green is bad but bringing up an AHL guy might/probably be even worse.

The Red Wings don't have much D depth on either level. Hronek and Seider are the only D men in the organization that have proven they can be a quality D guy in the league. Bowey and Cholowski could be a decent 3rd pair but neither have shown the ability to be top 4.

Also on a personal level the Wings will keep Green and won't trade him because he's going through a family medical situation and the treatment is at a local hospital.

[dreamerfan]

I just do not see this getting better. The farm is not well stocked for goalies or Defensemen. Seider looks good and I think Cholowski is decent at best. Hiring Gallant would bring a fresh breath of air to a stinky team. But if he is so good why did Vegas let him go or even Florida? I think that Blashill is over his head and playing out the string. I am not a fan and I even went to school with him at Ferris. I think this is going to take a couple more bad years for this to turn around.

[Eckstein197]

I just do not see this getting better. The farm is not well stocked for goalies or Defensemen. Seider looks good and I think Cholowski is decent at best. Hiring Gallant would bring a fresh breath of air to a stinky team. But if he is so good why did Vegas let him go or even Florida? I think that Blashill is over his head and playing out the string. I am not a fan and I even went to school with him at Ferris. I think this is going to take a couple more bad years for this to turn around.

It's not going to get better anytime soon. That's just a fact. They need to wait out a few really bad contracts, acquire more top level prospects. We have no goalie prospects, defensemen prospects are low.

Vegas let him go because the FO wanted to bring in their own guy because they had that recent FO change. No one in the hockey world understands this move and it's believed to be a terrible decision.

[Eckstein197]

The Red Wings receive some cap relief this upcoming offseason with these contracts expiring

Franzen at 3.9 million
Mike Green at 5.4 million
Ericcsson at 4.25 million
Daley at 3.2 million
Howard at 4 million

Now some of that will go towards resigning Mantha/Bertuzzi/potentially AA, and a couple resigns at low values like Bowey and Hirose. So lots of money coming off the books but a decent amount that will be coming on

The main cap relief comes next offseason where in addition to the contracts that expire this offseason, here's also who comes off the books

Z at 6.1 million
Helm at 3.9 million
Nemeth/Filppula at 3 million each (not necessarily bad contracts but guys we probably won't resign)
Stephen Weiss 1.7 million dead cap

After that, it'll be the 2021 offseason with only 3 bad contracts left on the books, with 2 of those only having 1 year left (Dekeyser 1-5 mil, Nielsen 1-5.3 mil, Abdelkader 2-4.25 each year). Obviously not good but a ton of salary relief. Also, in the 2021 offseason the only guy who will command a decent chunk of money to resign would be Hronek.

That's when the Red Wings will finally have cap flexibility for the first time in a long time and can potentially add pieces to start making this team a contender again.

For this year and next year, suck as much as possible, collect all assets and start to add quality outside pieces in the 2021 offseason. 1.5 years left to endure. Hope for the lottery odds to fall in our favor because Lafreniere would certainly accelerate any rebuild.

Also pipe dream that in the 2021 expansion draft, the Wings attach a pick or 2 to get Seattle to take a bad salary like Nielsen

[CB Nostalgia]

Detroit is in no position to be attaching assets to bad contracts to get rid of. Even if they draft #1 this upcoming offseason, the team is still going to be bad. If anything they should be in the market to acquire some short, bad deals in exchange for higher picks.

[Eckstein197]

Detroit is in no position to be attaching assets to bad contracts to get rid of. Even if they draft #1 this upcoming offseason, the team is still going to be bad. If anything they should be in the market to acquire some short, bad deals in exchange for higher picks.

This would be in the 2021 offseason for the 2021-2022 season was my proposal. Not this upcoming offseason

[hairysasquatch]

Dead Things Era II :(

[Starman101]

The Red Wings receive some cap relief this upcoming offseason with these contracts expiring

Franzen at 3.9 million
Mike Green at 5.4 million
Ericcsson at 4.25 million
Daley at 3.2 million
Howard at 4 million

Now some of that will go towards resigning Mantha/Bertuzzi/potentially AA, and a couple resigns at low values like Bowey and Hirose. So lots of money coming off the books but a decent amount that will be coming on

The main cap relief comes next offseason where in addition to the contracts that expire this offseason, here's also who comes off the books

Z at 6.1 million
Helm at 3.9 million
Nemeth/Filppula at 3 million each (not necessarily bad contracts but guys we probably won't resign)
Stephen Weiss 1.7 million dead cap

After that, it'll be the 2021 offseason with only 3 bad contracts left on the books, with 2 of those only having 1 year left (Dekeyser 1-5 mil, Nielsen 1-5.3 mil, Abdelkader 2-4.25 each year). Obviously not good but a ton of salary relief. Also, in the 2021 offseason the only guy who will command a decent chunk of money to resign would be Hronek.

That's when the Red Wings will finally have cap flexibility for the first time in a long time and can potentially add pieces to start making this team a contender again.

For this year and next year, suck as much as possible, collect all assets and start to add quality outside pieces in the 2021 offseason. 1.5 years left to endure. Hope for the lottery odds to fall in our favor because Lafreniere would certainly accelerate any rebuild.

Also pipe dream that in the 2021 expansion draft, the Wings attach a pick or 2 to get Seattle to take a bad salary like Nielsen

Good insight here and makes perfect sense

I know Wings cant "get rid of" Green I just smh at his salary thats contributed absolutely nothing to this team

Thats my frustration with him coming out, especially after several bad plays during the Islander game

[Eckstein197]

Good insight here and makes perfect sense

I know Wings cant "get rid of" Green I just smh at his salary thats contributed absolutely nothing to this team

Thats my frustration with him coming out, especially after several bad plays during the Islander game

Yeah, the main thing is Yzerman didn’t inherit a rebuild that was starting from scratch. He’s dealing with the end of Holland’s terrible FA deals so he’s starting from below scratch honestly. He’s got to basically give up 2 or more years to get rid of these contracts and replenish the prospect pool. Making the playoffs for 2.5 decades straight certainly depletes the prospect pool. And you can’t always be saved by drafting future HOF in the 6th and 7th round like they did with Datsyuk and Zetterberg

[CB Nostalgia]

Yeah, the main thing is Yzerman didn’t inherit a rebuild that was starting from scratch. He’s dealing with the end of Holland’s terrible FA deals so he’s starting from below scratch honestly. He’s got to basically give up 2 or more years to get rid of these contracts and replenish the prospect pool. Making the playoffs for 2.5 decades straight certainly depletes the prospect pool. And you can’t always be saved by drafting future HOF in the 6th and 7th round like they did with Datsyuk and Zetterberg

The prospect pool wasn't just depleted by success. Detroit's draft record is actually one of the most overrated aspects of the dynasty. The mid 2000s onward to Larkin resulted in handful of busts and a couple serviceable players.

I do believe our coach had a hand in the poor development of those prospects but it was an organizational failure. Simple moves like trading Mrazek for a mid round pick and sticking with Howard shows the shortsightedness of Holland.

[dreamerfan]

The prospect pool wasn't just depleted by success. Detroit's draft record is actually one of the most overrated aspects of the dynasty. The mid 2000s onward to Larkin resulted in handful of busts and a couple serviceable players.

I do believe our coach had a hand in the poor development of those prospects but it was an organizational failure. Simple moves like trading Mrazek for a mid round pick and sticking with Howard shows the shortsightedness of Holland.

I thought that they traded Mrazek due to him being a pending UFA and knew he would not sign here. I feel that they system is littered with busts like Giovanni Smith and Rassmussen. The farm team is garbage.

[CB Nostalgia]

I thought that they traded Mrazek due to him being a pending UFA and knew he would not sign here. I feel that they system is littered with busts like Giovanni Smith and Rassmussen. The farm team is garbage.

Mrazek was a pending RFA at the time.

[dreamerfan]

Can this season end soon please??? At least Zadina looked good

[hairysasquatch]

Looks like the cellar is virtually a lock. No sign of life whatever.

Very bleak times in Detroit sports history. Reminiscent of the late 1970s. Awful.

[Eckstein197]

I thought that they traded Mrazek due to him being a pending UFA and knew he would not sign here. I feel that they system is littered with busts like Giovanni Smith and Rassmussen. The farm team is garbage.

Rasmussen is not a bust? Kid is 20 and was drafted in 2018. Not every draft pick comes into the league and is a point per game player. Give the kid more than a year before you start calling him a bust

[CB Nostalgia]

Its not fair to call Ras a bust at this point but I do think he was drafted way too high.

[greenrebellion]

Even Zadina I think we'll be lucky to see him as a 25-30 goal scorer at his prime. The disappointing part about this season isn't the fact that the team is atrocious, but is the reality that this team probably has a weaker prospect pool and more huge holes to fill than previously thought.

[Eckstein197]

Even Zadina I think we'll be lucky to see him as a 25-30 goal scorer at his prime. The disappointing part about this season isn't the fact that the team is atrocious, but is the reality that this team probably has a weaker prospect pool and more huge holes to fill than previously thought.

He has 8 goals in 26 games, so he's averaging .3077 goals per game. Extrapolate that out to 82 games and he's on a 25.23 goal pace. So he's pretty much doing that right now on an absolutely atrocious team.

Zadina will be a very good player and he's starting to break out. I think in his prime he'll be a 35 goal kind of player with roughly averaging a point a game.

[Eckstein197]

Its not fair to call Ras a bust at this point but I do think he was drafted way too high.

Yes that's more of an argument to make, but yeah calling him a bust this early is way too rash. He was 19 in the NHL and the only reason he was in the NHL was because he was too young to be in the AHL. It was either the NHL or the WHL and the Wings believed he would receive very little development in the WHL which makes sense. Now that he's AHL eligible, that's why he is there this season. If he was older when drafted, he would have started in the AHL. He was in a tough situation, but I do think he was drafted a little high.

[hairysasquatch]

Tenth consecutive loss. Pitiful.

[Eckstein197]

Zero offense without Zadina. Season drags on

[MIRRABB]

If a season this spectacularly bad doesn't result in the first overall pick, that would be a shame lol

[hairysasquatch]

If a season this spectacularly bad doesn't result in the first overall pick, that would be a shame lol

The fact that's even possible is a shame. :(

[Eckstein197]

The fact that's even possible is a shame. :(

That’s the unfortunate part of the lottery

[Eckstein197]

Red Wings sweep the season series with the Canadiens. First time they’ve ever done that and the fact it’s with this team is shocking

Prices are high for selling off pieces. Feel like they could get a nice haul for Bernier but I’d prefer keeping him for next year/resigning him longer because Howard is just about done and there are no goalies in the pipeline

I think we’ll see the Wings trade Trevor Daley for a mid round pick.
I also think we’ll end up trading Athanasiou. He’s on fire recently and I think Yzerman will get a good price for him. He’s up for a new deal and I think he’s a tough player to figure out. I’m thinking Yzerman will land 2 prospects and a 2nd round pick for him

[greenrebellion]

Would love to move AA and I agree about hanging on to Bernier unless a desperate team overpays.

[valleynuckfan]

.... I agree about hanging on to Bernier unless a desperate team overpays.

Bernier could be a decent pickup for a better team. He's got reasonable stats this year with the Edmund Fitzgeralds- oops sorry, I meant the Red Wings. :D

[hairysasquatch]

They should trade whoever they can, even Bernier.

[Eckstein197]

Bernier could be a decent pickup for a better team. He's got reasonable stats this year with the Edmund Fitzgeralds- oops sorry, I meant the Red Wings. :D

Bernier should get Vezina votes for how he’s performing behind the worst team in a long time. And I’m only half joking

[greenrebellion]

Bernier is 13-17-2 on a horrible team.
Howard is 2-22-2.

So yes, Vezina votes would be appropriate :)

[hairysasquatch]

Take Jimmy out behind the barn and end the misery. :(

[hairysasquatch]

Officially eliminated from the playoffs as of yesterday. :doh:

[Eckstein197]

Mike Green to the Oilers, good trade because he’s a rental and no need to keep him.

Main thing the Wings get in return is a conditional 4th rounder. It’ll be a 4th rounder this year unless the Oilers make the conference finals, if they do it’ll be a 3rd rounder in 2021

[Eckstein197]

AA to the Oilers

[Eckstein197]

Seems like cap filler and 2 second round picks in exchange for AA. Seems a little low, was hoping for a first or a good D prospect.

[hairysasquatch]

Getting fleeced by Kenny H all over again! :doh:

[Eckstein197]

Getting fleeced by Kenny H all over again! :doh:

I don't know about getting fleeced. Yzerman probably figured they wouldn't resign him because Yzerman has been vocal about being against AA

[valleynuckfan]

Seems like cap filler and 2 second round picks in exchange for AA. Seems a little low, was hoping for a first or a good D prospect.
C'mon- you just acquired Sam Gagner!
Seriously though- two 2nds for AA is still not bad if SY didn't see him in the Wing's future.

[valleynuckfan]

Mike Green to the Oilers, good trade because he’s a rental and no need to keep him.

Main thing the Wings get in return is a conditional 4th rounder. It’ll be a 4th rounder this year unless the Oilers make the conference finals, if they do it’ll be a 3rd rounder in 2021
Consider it a lock for a 4th rounder- doubtful the Oil gets 3 rounds in this year.

[Eckstein197]

C'mon- you just acquired Sam Gagner!
Seriously though- two 2nds for AA is still not bad if SY didn't see him in the Wing's future.

I agree, and his atrocious defense certainly deflates his value

[Eckstein197]

Consider it a lock for a 4th rounder- doubtful the Oil gets 3 rounds in this year.

I mean, it's not a lock at all. They are in second place in the Pacific, if they catch the Knights and win the division, they'll be in a good spot to get to the conference finals. I'd give the Oilers like a 20-30% chance to make the conference finals.

Also wouldn't you have considered it a lock last year that the Blue Jackets wouldn't have swept the best team in the league in the first round? Nothing is a lock when the playoffs roll around. Especially when they'll have the best player on the ice no matter who they face

[valleynuckfan]

I mean, it's not a lock at all. They are in second place in the Pacific, if they catch the Knights and win the division, they'll be in a good spot to get to the conference finals. I'd give the Oilers like a 20-30% chance to make the conference finals.

Also wouldn't you have considered it a lock last year that the Blue Jackets wouldn't have swept the best team in the league in the first round? Nothing is a lock when the playoffs roll around. Especially when they'll have the best player on the ice no matter who they face
I guess I'm a little biased being out here on the Coast. I see a LOT of Pacific Division televised games, and I'm not convinced the Oil can get out of the first round- and they might not even make the playoffs either. Their all around game isn't that great and their goaltending is questionable. If McJesus and King Leon get shutdown then that's it- they're out.
I see both Vancouver and LV finishing ahead of Edmonchuk. If Van and Edm end up 2-3 in the division I'll take the Canucks.

[Eckstein197]

I guess I'm a little biased being out here on the Coast. I see a LOT of Pacific Division televised games, and I'm not convinced the Oil can get out of the first round- and they might not even make the playoffs either. Their all around game isn't that great and their goaltending is questionable. If McJesus and King Leon get shutdown then that's it- they're out.
I see both Vancouver and LV finishing ahead of Edmonchuk. If Van and Edm end up 2-3 in the division I'll take the Canucks.

Here’s the thing though, that can go the opposite way as well. McDavid and Leon could single handily win a bunch of playoff games for the Oilers

[hairysasquatch]

Consider it a lock for a 4th rounder- doubtful the Oil gets 3 rounds in this year.

I guess I'm a little biased being out here on the Coast. I see a LOT of Pacific Division televised games, and I'm not convinced the Oil can get out of the first round- and they might not even make the playoffs either. Their all around game isn't that great and their goaltending is questionable. If McJesus and King Leon get shutdown then that's it- they're out.
I see both Vancouver and LV finishing ahead of Edmonchuk. If Van and Edm end up 2-3 in the division I'll take the Canucks.

Haven't seen references to "The Oil" for a long time! :)!

[hairysasquatch]

Not likely to be the all-time point low for the franchise. :o:(:doh::eek:

[Eckstein197]

2 game win streak, always nice beating the Blackhawks

1 month until the lottery

[Eckstein197]

Potential lottery rule changes could greatly benefit the Red Wings getting Lafreniere

Wings need this

[MIRRABB]

Lottery tonight :coffee:

[hairysasquatch]

Lottery tonight :coffee:

Screwed over tonight. :coffee::coffee:

[MIRRABB]

Screwed over tonight. :coffee::coffee:

Just reduced the interest I had left in this joke league :coffee: Oh well, so many other sports out there

[hairysasquatch]

Just reduced the interest I had left in this joke league :coffee: Oh well, so many other sports out there

I was right AGAIN,. :coffee::coffee::coffee:

[larsfrommars]

Yzerman just smashed something you can be sure of that!

Ouch feel bad for the fans.


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