What if McCaffrey wins MVP?

[Jerrylo913]

Would his cards sky rocket like the Mahomes?

[Siberian13]

His cards will never reach Mahomes level and he will never win mvp.

[JoeAdam]

No they wouldn’t. Running Backs will never command QB prices. Panthers would need to go 14-2 and he would need to continue this 2+ touchdown per game pace to have any shot.

[marinocollector]

McCaffrey plays for the Panthers, in a weak division, is an out of this world talent, and will never command a high price.

[Jerrylo913]

Ok makes sense, I just got into the hobby last year so I was just wondering how RB's do compared to QB's. Thanks for the inputs.

[MFaulkCollector]

Ok makes sense, I just got into the hobby last year so I was just wondering how RB's do compared to QB's. Thanks for the inputs.

peak tomlinson prices were insane, peak priest holmes prices were insane, peak gurley prices the same, peak saquon prices too, adrian peterson the same

if mccaffrey has a monster 3 year peak where he is getting 2100-2300 total yards (receving and rushing combines) and 20 plus td's a year..... his peak prices will be very high

you just need to understand that those prices don't sustain..... you must buy totally before that peak or sometime before the big spike....... and must sell before the crash that will be his production decline. history repeats itself over and over; yet nobody ever learns.

[excel_b]

peak tomlinson prices were insane, peak priest holmes prices were insane, peak gurley prices the same, peak saquon prices too, adrian peterson the same

if mccaffrey has a monster 3 year peak where he is getting 2100-2300 total yards (receving and rushing combines) and 20 plus td's a year..... his peak prices will be very high

you just need to understand that those prices don't sustain..... you must buy totally before that peak or sometime before the big spike....... and just must sell before the crash. history repeats itself over and over; yet nobody ever learns.

Except Mike Trout and Ronald Acuna (in baseball)...
As for football, I think it's both Tom Brady and Mahomes....

[MFaulkCollector]

Except Mike Trout and Ronald Acuna (in baseball)...
As for football, I think it's both Tom Brady and Mahomes....

we aren't talking about the same thing... i'm talking running backs only

[excel_b]

we aren't talking about the same thing... i'm talking running backs only

I understand... I am talking in general.

[MFaulkCollector]

I understand... I am talking in general.

well then i'm not really sure what that is adding to the op's thread.... he was asking about mccaffrey's mvp chances and then people are talking about his prices

not sure how brady or mahomes have any bearing on anything for the historical context of rb prices or if cmc can win mvp..... but ok

[excel_b]

well then i'm not really sure what that is adding to the op's thread.... he was asking about mccaffrey's mvp chances and then people are talking about his prices

not sure how brady or mahomes have any bearing on anything for the historical context of rb prices or if cmc can win mvp..... but ok

ok ok ok

Can people have a normal conversation? :doh::coffee:

[MFaulkCollector]

ok ok ok

Can people have a normal conversation? :doh::coffee:

yes, they can............ there are endless threads about future pricing/who can stand the test of time/modern qb's with most pricing upside/etc

that's where that convo can and should be had..... it's why the forum has different threads and not just one thread called "football thread"

[sethc1020]

Never in a million years will they even be a quarter of Mahomes prices. As good as he is RBs just don't have anywhere near the value of QBs. Never have never will. Their would probably be a short spike but RBs don't hold card values long. Just the way it is.

[marinocollector]

I understand... I am talking in general.

ok ok ok

Can people have a normal conversation? :doh::coffee:

I think the issue is you're comparing apples and oranges. The greatest of great running backs are done by 30. You have a 7-8 year window and then a giant decline. There's only a few exceptions in history for backs at 30 or older. Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Corey Dillon and Curtis Martin. To a lesser extent, Frank Gore and Marcus Allen.

Its hard to bank on a high production career at running back, and unless he end up as an all time great, no one will pay premium prices in several years after the decline. A perfect example is Adrian Peterson. By all accounts he is the greatest back since Barry and Emmitt and definitely top 6 all time, yet his cards still sell for a fraction of his peak prices.

[marinocollector]

well then i'm not really sure what that is adding to the op's thread.... he was asking about mccaffrey's mvp chances and then people are talking about his prices

not sure how brady or mahomes have any bearing on anything for the historical context of rb prices or if cmc can win mvp..... but ok

yes, they can............ there are endless threads about future pricing/who can stand the test of time/modern qb's with most pricing upside/etc

that's where that convo can and should be had..... it's why the forum has different threads and not just one thread called "football thread"

Everyone else here can have a normal conversation, but you sure as heck can't.
What is wrong with you? Upset your newspaper money was wasted on Marshall Faulk and Peyton Manning instead of Tom Brady? Of everyone on BO, you're the last person to be giving advice on collecting. You don't collect. You buy as much as you can of low print run cards and double the prices and act like its suddenly a hot card. Waiting until you can sucker some poor soul. Remember that Emmitt Smith EC? Yeah. That guy couldn't even get half of what you sold it to him for. I'm sure you gave huim the same advice. Don't invest in running backs. You're the worse of everyone here.

[88horsepower]

yes, they can............ there are endless threads about future pricing/who can stand the test of time/modern qb's with most pricing upside/etc

that's where that convo can and should be had..... it's why the forum has different threads and not just one thread called "football thread"

This right here is why people don’t respect you on this forum. It’s a shame, too, because you are knowledge.

[marinocollector]

This right here is why people don’t respect you on this forum. It’s a shame, too, because you are knowledge.

LOL. Mfaulk doesnt have any knowledge. He asks me questions via text and I tell him the answers. Suddenly I see my words posted by him on here.

Guy is a clown. He literally only comes on these boards to see venom and hate.

[TheFrenzy]

If McCaffrey wins the MVP.......and at least one Super Bowl MVP.....and can go on a 10-year Pro Bowl run......and can set an all-time record like most touchdowns in a season........and can do enough in the endorsement/social media realm to become his own brand.........

........then his cards might have some long-term value.

[MFaulkCollector]

This right here is why people don’t respect you on this forum. It’s a shame, too, because you are knowledge.

i point out that there are specific threads on this forum to talk about other things than mccaffery winning mvp and/or running back prices....... that the convo would better be had there

and that's why i'm not respected......... yea, that's cute.

i could care less about "respect" from anyone on this forum. i try to post comments that make sense, show some logic, and i like sarcasm..... block me if it either hurts your feelings or you don't like it

[marinocollector]

i point out that there are specific threads on this forum to talk about other things than mccaffery winning mvp and/or running back prices....... that the convo would better be had there

and that's why i'm not respected......... yea, that's cute.

i could care less about "respect" from anyone on this forum. i try to post comments that make sense, show some logic, and i like sarcasm..... block me if it either hurts your feelings or you don't like it

For the record, I texted him to say all that.

[Siberian13]

For the record, I texted him to say all that.

Screenshot of texts? :)

[MFaulkCollector]

For the record, I texted him to say all that.

In an attempt to not put anymore erroneous comments on here detracting from the initial thread.........

yes, proportionally mccaffery can explode like mahomes.... but since his floor was much lower his ceiling will be much lower. silver prisms for 4-5 bucks now at 30............ is comparable mahomes prizm silver psa 10s at 300 and rising to over 1000.......... it's all scale...... mahomes prizm 10s were not always 300 dollar cards.... if mccaffery can up his floor through this season and offseason then keeps performing like this you will see continued gains

but remember.... rb's peak for only a short period and prices drop.... they are not qb's

and because i can't help myself.... marino; you are the biggest dingleberry in the world. i absolutely hate you so much, words can't describe how much i want sometime to give you the worst unexpected titty twister until you bleed

[Siberian13]

In an attempt to not put anymore erroneous comments on here detracting from the initial thread.........

yes, proportionally mccaffery can explode like mahomes.... but since his floor was much lower his ceiling will be much lower. silver prisms for 4-5 bucks now at 30............ is comparable mahomes prizm silver psa 10s at 300 and rising to over 1000.......... it's all scale...... mahomes prizm 10s were not always 300 dollar cards.... if mccaffery can up his floor through this season and offseason then keeps performing like this you will see continued gains

but remember.... rb's peak for only a short period and prices drop.... they are not qb's

and because i can't help myself.... marino; you are the biggest dingleberry in the world. i absolutely hate you so much, words can't describe how much i want sometime to give you the worst unexpected titty twister until you bleed

:cry:

[marinocollector]

Screenshot of texts? :)

I cant figure out how flickr works, I'm not paying $5 for photobucket, and my pics are too big to upload via tapntalk.

Let the tin foil hats remain.

[marinocollector]

:cry:

if you think that's funny, you should see all the stuff he just texted me.
To paraphrase:
Hopes someone makes ice tea off my forehead. And he hopes I get casted in a real-life human centipede.

[jrg1128]

For the record, I texted him to say all that.

:cry::cry::cry:

I gotta hang out in the football section more often.

[Siberian13]

if you think that's funny, you should see all the stuff he just texted me.
To paraphrase:
Hopes someone makes ice tea off my forehead. And he hopes I get casted in a real-life human centipede.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6ba985a3ebb3b4952a96abe3d30f74d1/tenor.gif?itemid=12948320

[88horsepower]

i point out that there are specific threads on this forum to talk about other things than mccaffery winning mvp and/or running back prices....... that the convo would better be had there

and that's why i'm not respected......... yea, that's cute.

i could care less about "respect" from anyone on this forum. i try to post comments that make sense, show some logic, and i like sarcasm..... block me if it either hurts your feelings or you don't like it

Perhaps we can respect that other people might be trying to add to the conversation in ways that are outside of the box.

And as for you not caring about "respect" from anyone on the forum, then don't be surprised if very few people listen to you. Perhaps you should try a different approach.

And, for the record, posts from you on a message board aren't going to hurt my feelings.

[Whodatiz]

i point out that there are specific threads on this forum to talk about other things than mccaffery winning mvp and/or running back prices....... that the convo would better be had there

and that's why i'm not respected......... yea, that's cute.

i could care less about "respect" from anyone on this forum. i try to post comments that make sense, show some logic, and i like sarcasm..... block me if it either hurts your feelings or you don't like it

*couldn't

[Whodatiz]

I cant figure out how flickr works, I'm not paying $5 for photobucket, and my pics are too big to upload via tapntalk.

Let the tin foil hats remain.

Just add the app to your phone...then send the pictures to the app. Grab the image links. Post here. Boom.

And this is a very weird accusation. marinocollector pulling an AB on us?

[RW3FAN]

Are Shaun Alexander cards worth anything? Not really.

MVP, and 8th all time in rushing TD's.
ZERO hobby love. Including me. I have zero cards of his and I'm a Hawks fan.

[deemsterz33]

Would his cards sky rocket like the Mahomes?

Relatively speaking, they've skyrocketed since the beginning of the year. Prizm Silvers were $5 or so, now $30+. Optic Contenders were $40, PSA 9 ended last night for $150. Raw XRC were $15-20, now $70+. Not sure how much more room there is to grow from here though.

[MFaulkCollector]

Perhaps we can respect that other people might be trying to add to the conversation in ways that are outside of the box.

And as for you not caring about "respect" from anyone on the forum, then don't be surprised if very few people listen to you. Perhaps you should try a different approach.

And, for the record, posts from you on a message board aren't going to hurt my feelings.

to be very honest..... very few people listen to anyone on this forum

someone makes a thread about how many 96 rubies exist.... one person who replied worked in a hobby shop when the product released, they worked there for years.... they know about product allocation, they know about how many hobby shops were around during that time frame.... they have knowledge that 99.9 percent of people don't have a clue about..... does anyone listen...... NOPE

the forum is filled with threads where people ask questions and either don't listen or don't care about the answers..... i literally don't get it. the amount of illiteracy and plain foolishness is mind blowing

there are some members who are very knowledgeable; yet often times their viewpoints are not respected or listened to, no matter who they are.... and that's a function of the people asking the questions.

we collect within the same spectrum, you are well spoken and knowledgeable about a lot of things; i don't want to get into some foolish back and forth....... i just try to provide whatever info i can add based on what i have seen and what historical trends show; and often times it's laced front to back with sarcasm. i'm just a matter of fact person, people can listen to or not listen to the advice; like others i just try to put in meaningful commentary where i feel i am able to

[Bobbyplaza133]

It'd be nice to see a non QB win the award, that's for sure.

[MFaulkCollector]

It'd be nice to see a non QB win the award, that's for sure.

between wilson and mahomes this may be a tough year............ last year brees and mahomes made it impossible

a rb would probably need at least 23-24 hundred all purpose yards and 25 plus td's on a 13-14 win team to best just a really good season by a top tier qb now.... an elite qb year will likely never lose the award moving forward

[starfox]

His cards will never reach Mahomes level and he will never win mvp.How can you be so sure? Mahomes isn't exactly the healthiest at the moment.

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[TheFrenzy]

there are some members who are very knowledgeable; yet often times their viewpoints are not respected or listened to, no matter who they are.... and that's a function of the people asking the questions.

Could you imagine if we could upvote or downvote comments? It would be a bloodbath.

[Siberian13]

How can you be so sure? Mahomes isn't exactly the healthiest at the moment.

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Because I’m not smoking crack currently, that’s why :)!

When CMAC Prizm silver PSA 10s hit $1,000-$1,200, please let me know.

Winning mvp just seems like a pipe dream for anyone not a qb.

[starfox]

Because I’m not smoking crack currently, that’s why :)!

When CMAC Prizm silver PSA 10s hit $1,000-$1,200, please let me know.

Winning mvp just seems like a pipe dream for anyone not a qb.It's very possible for McCafrey. Card prices have nothing to do with it. If he gets 1,000/1,000, scores 25 touchdowns, and the Panthers get a top-2 seed, I could see it happening. If a non-quarterback can't win the award, they should just call it the MVP award for quarterbacks only.

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[LondonGames]

peak tomlinson prices were insane, peak priest holmes prices were insane, peak gurley prices the same, peak saquon prices too, adrian peterson the same

if mccaffrey has a monster 3 year peak where he is getting 2100-2300 total yards (receving and rushing combines) and 20 plus td's a year..... his peak prices will be very high

you just need to understand that those prices don't sustain..... you must buy totally before that peak or sometime before the big spike....... and must sell before the crash that will be his production decline. history repeats itself over and over; yet nobody ever learns.

If someone read this without knowing the peak prices for Tomlinson, Holmes, Gurley, Barkley, AP, they might actually think that these guys went nuclear or something. You basically only gave examples of guys who peaked after winning ROY, outside of Priest Holmes, and none of them ever went for "insane" prices in relation to any other player thats won ROY in any sport, or in comparison to any of the players who've actually went nuclear like Mahomes is now.

[asujbl]

quote

[asujbl]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Go buy your Jamaal Charles Contenders for $5 and walk away

No RB, ever, has been worth anything for more than a few months

[asujbl]

Because I’m not smoking crack currently, that’s why :)!

When CMAC Prizm silver PSA 10s hit $1,000-$1,200, please let me know.

Winning mvp just seems like a pipe dream for anyone not a qb.

Don’t reply to Starfox

It’s a losing battle

[Siberian13]

Don’t reply to Starfox

It’s a losing battle

I reply to everyone and everything :)!

[asujbl]

I reply to everyone and everything :)!

Heart ❤️

[ninjacookies]

I think the biggest problem with McCafree is that he doesn't have the cachet of a dude like Saquon. It's like comparing Mike Evans to Odell. Mike may be the more steady and better performer, but Odell is going to win the hobby race if both have big years because he's a media darling.

Could change a bit if Christian wins an MVP, but it's hard for me to see it happening. I mean, any mvp winner will inevitably have a price rise, it's just the magnitude at which it happens.


Chris Johnson's stuff barely saw a rise when he had his 2,000 yard season. In fact, Charles still sold better.

[deemsterz33]

This was mentioned in the other thread, but the novelty/rarity of a very talented (already arguably the most talented ever) white RB could have an added impact to prices.

[starfox]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Go buy your Jamaal Charles Contenders for $5 and walk away

No RB, ever, has been worth anything for more than a few monthsSince you say no running back ever has been worth anything more than a few months, I guess you never heard of Walter Payton and Barry Sanders. But for the record: this is about whether or not McCafrey can win MVP, not hobby prices. Whatever happened to staying on the true topic?

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[Siberian13]

Since you say no running back ever has been worth anything more than a few months, I guess you never heard of Walter Payton and Barry Sanders. But for the record: this is about whether or not McCafrey can win MVP, not hobby prices. Whatever happened to staying on the true topic?

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Did you read the original post?

[starfox]

Did you read the original post?I only read the title. But McCafrey winning the award is not out of the realm of possibility, especially with Mahomes being injured tonight. Hopefully, Mahomes will be back next month.

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[starfox]

Concerning card prices, as long as McCafrey plays well, his prices will be up to some degree. The kid is better than most of us (certainly me) thought he would be.

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[roberth404]

Get a worthpoint account so you can observe what occurred to Gurley prices when he was a legit MVP candidate past week 6 lol during 2017 season and was named NFL Offensive Player of the Year (spoiler: prices moved slightly, but still lower than rookie season). Then u will have your answer

[deemsterz33]

Get a worthpoint account so you can observe what occurred to Gurley prices when he was a legit MVP candidate past week 6 lol during 2017 season and was named NFL Offensive Player of the Year (spoiler: prices moved slightly, but still lower than rookie season). Then u will have your answer

McCaffery stuff has gone up 3-5X since the offseason. I think that Mahomes values are bringing up the prices from all 2017 sets.

[asujbl]

I only read the title. But McCafrey winning the award is not out of the realm of possibility, especially with Mahomes being injured tonight. Hopefully, Mahomes will be back next month.

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“I only read the title”

Blowout in one simple statement

[asujbl]

McCaffery stuff has gone up 3-5X since the offseason. I think that Mahomes values are bringing up the prices from all 2017 sets.

I still think a lot of people (Prizm specific) don’t realize the Silver are the base

People are overpaying because 2018 were SP’s and SSP’s

[Siberian13]

I still think a lot of people (Prizm specific) don’t realize the Silver are the base

People are overpaying because 2018 were SP’s and SSP’s

Yeah it’s crazy how much people are paying for base cards. I should probably sell any CMAC base card prizms if I have any.

[deemsterz33]

I still think a lot of people (Prizm specific) don’t realize the Silver are the base

People are overpaying because 2018 were SP’s and SSP’s

Maybe in a few cases. I think for the majority the real draw is the refractor surface. If they were dull chrome like Select or Optic base you wouldn't be seeing these prices.

[asujbl]

Yeah it’s crazy how much people are paying for base cards. I should probably sell any CMAC base card prizms if I have any.

Not if he wins MVP

Didn’t you read the title of this thread?

[Siberian13]

Not if he wins MVP

Didn’t you read the title of this thread?

Didn’t read the title, just he original post.

[kyle1707]

is he the most under rated player in the hobby and the game?

If he can have a great second half...

This is marshall faulk and LT stuff

[pejc300]

is he the most under rated player in the hobby and the game?

If he can have a great second half...

This is marshall faulk and LT stuff

For sure he is overrated in the hobby, but that's because we all know how the hobby treats RBs. People have actually learned for once. Look at what LT and Faulk sell for. It's sad, really. McCaffrey could do this for the next 8 years and it won't matter when he retires. The hobby only loves QBs.

[spacewrangler]

He just became the first player in NFL history with over 1,000 rushing yards and 500 receiving yards in the first 10 games of a season, so there's that lol

[Patsguy5000]

He is among those in discussion for MVP, however look at AP or Tomlinson, last RB’s to win MVP. RB Rookie cards, outside some the vintage greats don’t command the $ that QB’s get. Look at Aaron Donald, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Kuechly, Elliot, Bell, etc., Stars in the game that are affordable.

[spacewrangler]

He is among those in discussion for MVP, however look at AP or Tomlinson, last RB’s to win MVP. RB Rookie cards, outside some the vintage greats don’t command the $ that QB’s get. Look at Aaron Donald, Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Kuechly, Elliot, Bell, etc., Stars in the game that are affordable.

Lifelong Panthers fan so I'm buying McCaffrey stuff where ever prices go lol idk what the future holds but he looks like he could be the best Panthers player ever. I don't really feel like I'm over paying for anything right now though.

[ninjacookies]

Amazing season.

Still a rb on a losing team. Not winning the mvp.

[spacewrangler]

Amazing season.

Still a rb on a losing team. Not winning the mvp.

No I don't think so either. Panthers are spiraling :(

[spacewrangler]

Quick show off spam :D

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[ninjacookies]

No I don't think so either. Panthers are spiraling :(

Can't be worse than the Giants...plus CMC is actually on the field. Saquon, on the other hand... :mad:

[spacewrangler]

Can't be worse than the Giants...plus CMC is actually on the field. Saquon, on the other hand... :mad:

Really feel bad for the season he's having, Giants HAVE to do more for him.

For a rebuilding team the Panthers aren't nearly as far away from playing respectable ball. CMC still can't be relied on this much it makes me nervous.

[ninjacookies]

Really feel bad for the season he's having, Giants HAVE to do more for him.

For a rebuilding team the Panthers aren't nearly as far away from playing respectable ball. CMC still can't be relied on this much it makes me nervous.

Agreed. I hope Cam can return back to his old form, but from all accounts it seems as though his time in Carolina is most likely over. Curious how they'll approach the qb position...not sure if Allen is the future.

[spacewrangler]

Agreed. I hope Cam can return back to his old form, but from all accounts it seems as though his time in Carolina is most likely over. Curious how they'll approach the qb position...not sure if Allen is the future.

Been a Cam fan a long time...but I really hope they use that money for the O-line, CMC is the future

[Stifle]

How many Stanford collectors on Blowout / EBay / shows ? ? ?
How many Panthers collectors on Blowout / EBay / shows ? ? ?

He came from a lousy college market to not much better of a collection for pro market teams.

[shayscards79]

The question of weather or not they skyrocket...….maybe. Buy low sell high is always on the table for any card.

Skyrocket as high as Mahomes cards? No chance.