Do you think the Dolphins or Bengals will have a 0-16 season this year?

[Soxfanguy]

If not, what do they end up with?

[Cagemonkey]

I would say ownership of dolphin is doing everything they can to lose every game this season , i really hope at some point the NFL steps in to stop teams from doing this , take away a 1 round pic from them for throwing games away .

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[Siberian13]

Bengals at Dolphins on 12/22 will be game of the year if they both are winless at that point.

[Soxrule111]

Bengals at Dolphins on 12/22 will be game of the year if they both are winless at that point.

Please Tie lol

[Boo]

Neither play the Falcons so it is possible one finishes without a win. The Dolphins could have won against the Redskins, missed the 2 point conversion. They were in the game yesterday until the end as well.

[Grid]

I hope the Dolphins can go defeated. Something poetic about being the team that once went undefeated in a season and also completely defeated

[Siberian13]

Neither play the Falcons so it is possible one finishes without a win. The Dolphins could have won against the Redskins, missed the 2 point conversion. They were in the game yesterday until the end as well.

Falcons already got their win for the year buddy :)!

[gorillaz]

I would say ownership of dolphin is doing everything they can to lose every game this season , i really hope at some point the NFL steps in to stop teams from doing this , take away a 1 round pic from them for throwing games away .

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Lol no stop it

[jcardstore]

The Dolphins will almost certainly go 0-16. I said in the beginning of the season this Dolphins team was the worst team in NFL history and it looks like it's correct so far.

At least the Bengals have some offensive talent

Dalton > All the Dolphins QBs combined
Mixon > All the Dolphins RBs combined
Boyd > All the Dolphins WRs combined
Green in hurt but he's obviously better.

Go 0-16, get the best QB possible. Drake/Parker are serviceable NFL players. Draft an O-Line the Dolphins are probably 3 good drafts away from being decent.

[SkolVikesCards]

The Dolphins Bengals game should actually be interesting to see if either team is trying to win or just trying to tank

[Eckstein197]

I would say ownership of dolphin is doing everything they can to lose every game this season , i really hope at some point the NFL steps in to stop teams from doing this , take away a 1 round pic from them for throwing games away .

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How can you prove they are throwing games?

[Eckstein197]

The Dolphins will almost certainly go 0-16. I said in the beginning of the season this Dolphins team was the worst team in NFL history and it looks like it's correct so far.

At least the Bengals have some offensive talent

Dalton > All the Dolphins QBs combined
Mixon > All the Dolphins RBs combined
Boyd > All the Dolphins WRs combined
Green in hurt but he's obviously better.

Go 0-16, get the best QB possible. Drake/Parker are serviceable NFL players. Draft an O-Line the Dolphins are probably 3 good drafts away from being decent.

I'd take Fitz over Dalton any day. Fitz can have days where he is tremendous, Dalton is just consistently below average to awful

[Cagemonkey]

How can you prove they are throwing games?Thats a hard one to prove ... But it is very clear they havent made much of a attempted to improve the team...

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[jcardstore]

I'd take Fitz over Dalton any day. Fitz can have days where he is tremendous, Dalton is just consistently below average to awful

I guess that's fair. Idk I just think Dalton is more consistent and I'd probably rather have consistently mediocre than 1/3rd great and 2/3rds terrible

[Frankp2311]

Bengals may have a chance at a few wins if they sit Dalton IMO.

[CC71]

bengals fans want marvin lewis back

[LC2nine10]

bengals fans want marvin lewis back

Bengals fans should all be committed amd removd from the breding population.

[Whodey14]

Bengals fans should all be committed amd removd from the breding population.

Damn that's a little far

[unclemonkey]

Damn... I only bet $200 on the Dolphins under win total.

Should have flown to Vegas and put down $20k

[Eckstein197]

Thats a hard one to prove ... But it is very clear they havent made much of a attempted to improve the team...

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Acquiring assets like trading Tunsil for numerous first rounders is a way to improve the team. Just over a different timeline. Not every team can feasibly have the same timeline. Not every team can afford to go for it every year. The Dolphins realized they don't have a QB, so some of their moves are mortgaging the present for the future. Why should they be penalized for improving their future team?

Also attempt to improve the team is ambigious and is subjective. Everything is relative

[Eckstein197]

I guess that's fair. Idk I just think Dalton is more consistent and I'd probably rather have consistently mediocre than 1/3rd great and 2/3rds terrible

It's true, if we are looking at this for a reason I'd probably take Dalton but for a single game I'd take Fitz

[Cagemonkey]

Im not a fan of the dolphins in any way but when you run a team in the ground in hopes of drafting your way out which is doubtful very very doubtful ... At some point fans stop showing up to the games , and then the team gets up and moves off to a different city which has been seen in the NFL a few times which isnt right .

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[jcardstore]

Im not a fan of the dolphins in any way but when you run a team in the ground in hopes of drafting your way out which is doubtful very very doubtful ... At some point fans stop showing up to the games , and then the team gets up and moves off to a different city which has been seen in the NFL a few times which isnt right .

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This isn't true. The Browns won 1 game over 2 seasons and fans still showed up. Plus, they didn't move because of fan attendance (or lack there of).

[Cagemonkey]

2015 28th attendees in the nfl , 2016 21th attendees , 2017 browns 31th in attendeess ??? What are you talking about 2018 18th ? Sure people are starting to show up now but the past few years clearly not at all...

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[FBGuy13]

As a lifelong Dolphin's fan, I am really hoping they stay the course and finish off a defeated 0-16 season. At this point, winning 1, 2, or 3 games does nothing. I totally could see Miami winning a game or two, then being held ransom to trade up for that #1 pick to get their QB of the future. That is the last thing I want to see - trading like 2-3 first rounders or other picks to move up a few spots, because none of these QBs coming up in the draft are sure things. The Bengals are the only immediate team I see as a threat that almost for sure will be drafting a QB high next draft as well.

Seriously what has become of Andy Dalton? With all of his years of experience, you'd think he would be able to do better than he is doing. I guess his lack of run game and offensive line isn't helping either - and AJ Green definitely bailed him out plenty through his career. Bengals are a bad team - so that Miami/Cincy game, I really am worried Miami will win! When we had Tannehill I always thought he was about the equivalent to an Andy Dalton. It was weird seeing him lead the Titans to victory over the Chargers yesterday. Although Titans fans, don't get your hopes up, Tannehill is who he is, a below average QB.

Weird season - finding myself all in on rooting for 0-16. As many have said even that guarantees nothing - I am skeptical about them hitting on even half of the draft picks, but seeing what we have seen for years, I am all for trying to rebuild this way. They might as well ship out Drake and entertain a blockbuster offer for Xavien Howard as well. Howard was just extended, but Miami isn't winning in the next 3 years - so I'm not sure it makes sense to have one of the highest paid CBs in the league. Then again, pretty soon this team will have nothing. All I know is they MUST rebuild the offensive line FIRST - and need to do it the right way for once.

Last though - am I the only one thinking they should look to unload Josh Rosen NOW before the deadline? I really think they have seen enough, and do not believe in him. I'd take a 3rd rounder for him & call the experiment over. I do not think drafting a QB and keeping him as the backup will work well at all. Just cannot stand his bad body language and is not really a QB I hope to root for. At this point I think having even a 3rd rounder would be better. I really think he'd be playing if they wanted to continue to evaluate. It has been hard to get a good read on Flores though. Hope Miami completes the 0-16 season - but I think somehow they will actually end up winning 1 or 2.

[Cagemonkey]

Yup trade rosen he has been looking horrible

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[Copeskey45]

So hypothetically speaking.... who would get the number one pick if teams were 0-15-1?

Would it be the team with the less points scored all season?

[jcardstore]

2015 28th attendees in the nfl , 2016 21th attendees , 2017 browns 31th in attendeess ??? What are you talking about 2018 18th ? Sure people are starting to show up now but the past few years clearly not at all...

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You gotta speak english... I have no clue what you're saying

[majestik101]

Bengals no, the Dolphins yes.

[ntgm37]

As a lifelong Dolphin's fan, I am really hoping they stay the course and finish off a defeated 0-16 season. At this point, winning 1, 2, or 3 games does nothing. I totally could see Miami winning a game or two, then being held ransom to trade up for that #1 pick to get their QB of the future. That is the last thing I want to see - trading like 2-3 first rounders or other picks to move up a few spots, because none of these QBs coming up in the draft are sure things. The Bengals are the only immediate team I see as a threat that almost for sure will be drafting a QB high next draft as well.

Seriously what has become of Andy Dalton? With all of his years of experience, you'd think he would be able to do better than he is doing. I guess his lack of run game and offensive line isn't helping either - and AJ Green definitely bailed him out plenty through his career. Bengals are a bad team - so that Miami/Cincy game, I really am worried Miami will win! When we had Tannehill I always thought he was about the equivalent to an Andy Dalton. It was weird seeing him lead the Titans to victory over the Chargers yesterday. Although Titans fans, don't get your hopes up, Tannehill is who he is, a below average QB.

Weird season - finding myself all in on rooting for 0-16. As many have said even that guarantees nothing - I am skeptical about them hitting on even half of the draft picks, but seeing what we have seen for years, I am all for trying to rebuild this way. They might as well ship out Drake and entertain a blockbuster offer for Xavien Howard as well. Howard was just extended, but Miami isn't winning in the next 3 years - so I'm not sure it makes sense to have one of the highest paid CBs in the league. Then again, pretty soon this team will have nothing. All I know is they MUST rebuild the offensive line FIRST - and need to do it the right way for once.

Last though - am I the only one thinking they should look to unload Josh Rosen NOW before the deadline? I really think they have seen enough, and do not believe in him. I'd take a 3rd rounder for him & call the experiment over. I do not think drafting a QB and keeping him as the backup will work well at all. Just cannot stand his bad body language and is not really a QB I hope to root for. At this point I think having even a 3rd rounder would be better. I really think he'd be playing if they wanted to continue to evaluate. It has been hard to get a good read on Flores though. Hope Miami completes the 0-16 season - but I think somehow they will actually end up winning 1 or 2.

The bottom 5 teams are probably:

Cincinnati
Miami
Washington
Atlanta
New York Giants

There are probably 3 top 10 QB's in Tua, Burrow, and Herbert. Only two teams in the bottom 5 are going to be after a quarterback, so Miami will be in good shape for one of the top 3. I'd trade Howard to Philly for a 1st and a third, move Rosen to Chicago for a 4th, and I would dedicate this draft all on the offensive side of the ball. Next year all on the defensive side. Imagine a draft of:

Tua
Cedee Lamb
Alex Leatherwood
Creed Humphrey
Etienne
Trey Adam's

[mc1]

This isn't true. The Browns won 1 game over 2 seasons and fans still showed up. Plus, they didn't move because of fan attendance (or lack there of).

That’s because there’s nothing to do in Cleveland, right?

[gorillaz]

So hypothetically speaking.... who would get the number one pick if teams were 0-15-1?

Would it be the team with the less points scored all season?

Strength of schedule determines it

[FBGuy13]

The bottom 5 teams are probably:

Cincinnati
Miami
Washington
Atlanta
New York Giants

There are probably 3 top 10 QB's in Tua, Burrow, and Herbert. Only two teams in the bottom 5 are going to be after a quarterback, so Miami will be in good shape for one of the top 3. I'd trade Howard to Philly for a 1st and a third, move Rosen to Chicago for a 4th, and I would dedicate this draft all on the offensive side of the ball. Next year all on the defensive side. Imagine a draft of:

Tua
Cedee Lamb
Alex Leatherwood
Creed Humphrey
Etienne
Trey Adam's

Agreed - right now Cincy & Miami are probably shoe ins for drafting a QB (although Cincy is weird - they never trade away to rebuild - which is what they should do NOW! And who knows - they keep sticking w/ Dalton!). I honestly think Miami needs to be looking to build through the draft over the next THREE drafts - and would like to see them get some more future picks in 2021 & 2022 - they seem to have enough for 2020.

The x-factor in all this is like you mentioned above they could have a shot to draft 5-6 quality prospects next year. The reality is, probably 2-3 of the 6 end up not living up to expectations - in the draft you are lucky to hit on 50% of picks. The other problem w/ having too many picks in one draft, is let's say Miami hits a home run and drafts 6-8 impact players that all do well. In 3-4 years, they now all need to be paid, right as the team starts to hypothetically be a contender. This will be fascinating to see it all play out. Miami has a history of missing big time when they get higher draft picks.

I'm not sure Miami will deal anymore players before the deadline, but they might as well get what they can for Drake, since they aren't going to resign him & overall I feel have really underutilized him since they drafted him. Really like Xavien Howard, but I'd move him because someone will be smart enough to acquire him. Miami has paid a lot of the upfront money, so even though he is well paid, all things considered it would be a favorable add for a contender. When on a defense playing well, he really can lock down one side of the field.

The last piece is the GM already said they would be spenders next year with all the cap room. They really need to be careful not to overspend on aging players that can't help in 3-4 years. To be completely honest, the odds of this entire rebuild working out to build a team that can compete for the playoffs annually is probably no better than 20%. So many variables have to go just right. None of us really know how this roster will look 4 years from now - but if they go through all this, and still are a disaster, I think you will see a lot of fans lost forever, because it is getting pretty old seeing them struggle for so long. I know my patience is wearing quite thin!

[unclemonkey]

As bad as they have been, at least the Bengals have made the playoffs six of the previous ten years.

I don't know the value of a high 1st round pick, but I would trade every one of them for multiple picks in the 2nd thru 5th rounds.

Take a shot at a project or reject like Josh Rosen or a proven free agent

[Siberian13]

That’s because there’s nothing to do in Cleveland, right?

You can be angry all the time

[Willikn]

bengals fans want marvin lewis back

Bengals fans who've been around for a long time (me) didn't want him to leave. We know that the mild success he did realize was miraculous.

Now that David Shula is back in charge, we know what's in store for the next decade too.

[Willikn]

Bengals fans should all be committed amd removd from the breding population.

MAN!

It sucks bad enough to be a sports fan in Cincinnati. Why hate us?

Have you not met a Steelers fan?

[Copeskey45]

Strength of schedule determines it

Oh I gotcha. That would be a crazy scenario lol.

[altaeria]

I suppose Miami would be more notable.
The only franchise to have both an undefeated season and a winless season.

[salthill]

How can you prove they are throwing games?

As a Dolphins fan watching all the offseason moves, it was clear a long time ago.
The coaches and players on the field on Sundays aren’t trying to lose the game, but the execs put a woefully undermanned roster together to make sure they were starting (and finishing) every game with their hands tied behind their backs.
- youngest and most inexperienced team in the league
- traded away a bookend left tackle
- traded away a starting NFL QB (yes it’s Tannehill, but he’s better than anything on a few teams’ rosters, including the Dolphins)
- traded away a solid starting slot receiver
- cut their veteran long snapper (who does this?!)
- lowest payroll in the league

On top of that...
- benched the highest-paid CB in the league in a week he had practiced fully and was going against the opposing team’s only good WR (Howard on McLaurin), a team potentially competing for the #1 draft pick

And the cherry on top, the owner admitted he was fine with it.
After getting blown out by the Ravens in the opener...
“We said it wouldn’t be easy, but it was something we are committed to and believe it’s the only way we can build a team to win continually.“
“We have to approach things differently and think outside the box.”
“The goal isn’t to try to patch some holes to go 9-7 and make the playoffs.”
“... the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. The moves that have been made were all made in the best interest in trying to build a championship organization.”

[Archangel1775]

No, Andy Dalton will throw for 6 TD's and 500 yards in one of the remaining games to screw up the Bengals pick.

[Re2pect]

I don't think either will. Certainly not Fitz being at QB. Guy is a warrior.

[seth2720]

Yea there's a good chance they will both win games. Any given Sunday.

[mike1498]

Yup trade rosen he has been looking horrible

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And people told me I was a salty cardinals fan. I sure seem salty right now

[seth2720]

And people told me I was a salty cardinals fan. I sure seem salty right now

I feel for Rosen. Between how bad of a situation he was put into with the Cardinals and Miami, it's just ruining him. No chance to develop and ruins any confidence the kid could have. It's been a tough go.

[rman112]

I think Fitzpatrick has a good game in him to get them a win.

[rman112]

Yup trade rosen he has been looking horrible

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Who would give up more than a 5th or so right now?

[Soxfanguy]

It continues...

[CC71]

ohio state could beat miami. position by position, ohio state is better

[Soxfanguy]

At this point Dan Marino might be a improvement

[deansayso]

ohio state could beat miami. position by position, ohio state is better

I mean they're no LSU

[mike1498]

I feel for Rosen. Between how bad of a situation he was put into with the Cardinals and Miami, it's just ruining him. No chance to develop and ruins any confidence the kid could have. It's been a tough go.

Yes that’s why kyler already has more wins than Rosen with one less season?

[duwal]

Yes that’s why kyler already has more wins than Rosen with one less season?


lets not pretend that Kyler is lighting the league on fire. He has 7 passing touchdowns and 2 rushing touchdowns in 8 games. In fact if you look at those numbers those 7 passing touchdowns came in 3 different games while the other 5 games he did not throw a TD pass. Lets not forget the upgraded defense with signing Jordan Hicks and Terrell Suggs.

Oh and strength of competition. The first half Kyler Murray and Arizona's wins were against Atlanta, Cincinnati and NY Giants, teams that are a combined 3-21 so far this season. Not denying that he'll probably be better than Rosen but there are several non-Murray reasons why Arizona is having better success than last season

[cinnakaok]

The dolphins won’t be winless after this week

[7hTarget]

Cin will go 0-16 this year. 0-16 in 2020. 0-16 in 2021.

[CC71]

the bengals might, now that dalton is benched. happy birthday andy!

[asujbl]

I hope the Bengals win, or lose, enough games (depends on your opinion) that they don’t get Chase Young in the draft

I’m not scared of Tua, Burrow, or Herbert in the division

He’s better than Nick Bosa (and I’m not biased) and I saw what he did to us

Predator needs to be NFC

[Jericho]

I think Miami gets 2-3 wins and Bengals get 1 maybe 2.

[dolphinsdude]

I pray the Dolphins get at least 1 win. With games against the Giants, Bengals, and 2 games against the Jets I think they have a shot. I don't think a year of tanking will erase 20 years of bad coaching and management. This should be interesting.

[Soxfanguy]

Even the Dolphins suck at tanking

[Soxfanguy]

How did the Jets lose?

[palmetto7]

How did the Jets lose?Owner is the great godson of a business tycoon....which means ....well... absolutely less than nothing!!!! Oh to be born with 15 thousand silver spoons in your mouth and up your butt and every other orrifacce.

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[Siberian13]

Browns and Lions still at #1. Pop the champagne!!!

[rcearley]

Browns and Lions still at #1. Pop the champagne!!!

The Bengals still are winless

[Siberian13]

The Bengals still are winless

Yeah but they get to play the Jets, Dolphins, Raiders and Browns twice. No guarantees! :)

[ThreeHogsCards]

Lets go Hope you guys had the Dolphins 155+ now i can buy into some breaks!

[armoursave]

Bengals play the Browns, there’s hope.

[mike1498]

lets not pretend that Kyler is lighting the league on fire. He has 7 passing touchdowns and 2 rushing touchdowns in 8 games. In fact if you look at those numbers those 7 passing touchdowns came in 3 different games while the other 5 games he did not throw a TD pass. Lets not forget the upgraded defense with signing Jordan Hicks and Terrell Suggs.

Oh and strength of competition. The first half Kyler Murray and Arizona's wins were against Atlanta, Cincinnati and NY Giants, teams that are a combined 3-21 so far this season. Not denying that he'll probably be better than Rosen but there are several non-Murray reasons why Arizona is having better success than last season

You act like touchdowns says everything. Do I think he’s lighting it up? No. But he has broken multiple passing yard records for rookies. That being said I still don’t think Rosen could’ve won us those games. Defense is upgraded but we lost our best defender for the first 6 games and won 3 without him